Very lucky to "still" have an access panel. Surprising to find the old stopper left in there. Haven't seen one of those in a long long time. Nice fix Richard.
@@LumenChaser I'm just an apprentice plumber but everyone i work with uses "way too much" and reuses the rest. They also roll it up, which Richard normally does but in this video he just put it on in chunks
My house was built in 1923 and there is an access panel in the closet for the tub. The faucet and handles are above the side of the tub, not the end as most are.
Basically any house that's old enough to have had the bath plumbing worked on will have an access panel, because the first sucker who had to work on it put in the access panel after he tore a hole in the wall.
Have to tease just a little - add "some" putty ?!?!?!?!?!?!?! I could've installed 4 drain shoes or 3 kitchen strainers with that huge wad of plumbers putty - WOW !!!! Gotta love Richard tho - he knows a LOT about a wide range of plumbing issues...not just residential. I have learned a few things from this guy over the years...he is a good teacher and seems like a genuinely nice human being - represents the trade well !!
I'd be willing to be due to the way he holds his hand and the scar tissue there he has a joined finger. His pinky finger on that hand more or less can only do what his ring finger can do. I know cause I was born/developed one. My right hand pinky finger cannot close unless my ring finger is closed as well. Kinda makes it hard to play the guitar lol.
thank you so much for sharing all this information! I especially love the chicken coop as we are closing today on our farm with 3 chicken coops in need of some repairs and need to build a 4th! learning how to do it all ourselves. you guys Rock!
You should really invest in one of those sink tools! Works great for tightening up that strainer basket! Alot easier than that wacky wrench setup you are using now!
All instructional videos say to install with the larger beveled side down. But when I pull my old overflow pipe and elbow forward from inside the tub, if I place the gasket that way, there is clearly a MUCH larger gap at the top than the bottom. If I turn it over and install the other way, when I pull it forward and screw it down, it clearly makes a much better seal with the gasket touching the top and bottom of the hole evenly. Is this the better way to install it in my case, or would there still be some reason you'd want to "force" the large gap at the top closed by tightening the two side screws even harder? (My tub is slanted very slightly with the bottom inward a tad more, but clearly the elbow is angled also so the bottom touches first.)
You're usually inside the tub when taking a bath. So your hands would have already been wet. Unless you're the only person on Earth you just likes filling the tub for no reason.
Interesting faucet on the back side of the tub. I guess if you need water in the hallway, you've got it! There's too much garbage and junk in that access hole. It would keep me up all night long with my OCD.
Blaine Bugaski It clearly is a hose bib, but there is one shot where it is clearly on the supply line. I thought that maybe it was on something else, and used to purge air, but is is clearly on the supply.
It could be used to purge air, but also to give water. Even on a hydronic heating system, you could get water from any of the purge valves if you wanted to.
The homeowner has absolutely no clue WTF he is talking about. While the contractor is in the bedroom, he might as well lay some "other pipe" and perform some upstream pumping! LOL!
when you gut a bathroom you GUT IT everything out.. look at all that mess under there. and old brass fine thread junk.. thats not renovated..plus the tub spout is crooked and the water valve is way too low.. looks trashy
A D yes i know all about that.. i bought a abandon house built in 1955 and they put an addition on in 1969 made of used lumber and then tri-plexed it and 100 crappy repairs and everything needed to be gutted and torn out .. check my channel from day 1,, 7 years ago
Where can you get the overflow covers like the one used in this video? I have the protruding overflow pipe with snap on cover, but I can’t find a cover with this depth.
Personally, I HATE overflows. We had the cross pipe with our old tub leak all over the floor under the tub. Had the drain went straight down through the floor, the complete mess it left wouldn’t have happened. I’d rather have a floor drain for overflowing tubs. They’re more useful if you also overflow your toilet too - which is more of a health hazard. So can we change the asinine code to stop having tub overflows and start just having floor drains?
Finally,,,,, did you notice how the baby was silent,,,, the baby was probably thinking,,, how does this Richard guy know when or who I call,, it's none of his business.... this is My old house,,, I'd better watch this guy,, because I will call him back if my bath don't work...
Putting the tee where he did allowed the two 45s he used to line up easy for the overflow connection. Likely could of made it work with existing trap but would of been just as much work and since the room is available I say do it whatever way is gonna be the easiest
He couldn't put the new waste into old trap.Didnt u see the trap adapter right on top of the 180 degree bend piece of old trap?U cant glue to a trap adapter.They are made for thin wall 1 1/2 brass or plastic to go into.U slip it in then tighten the compression nut.He did this almost how it should have been done.By putting both the shoe and the overflow in tub it makes it hard to put waste together.1 1/2 pvc fittings have a make up of 3/4".Meaning the hub of fitting is 3/4" of an inch long.Now think about this hard.How do u put something together when u need a minimum of 3/4" give?And u dont have the give because u locked the shoe and the overflow to tub.U fasten the shoe cause its gonna deal with all the water.The overflow u fit it up to that point from the 1 1/2" tee up.Am I the only one who noticed when he put the piece with the 2 45° chicane in it that he barely got the top of the tee onto the pipe?Meaning he cut the piece short knowing it was the easiest way to put together without fighting it.Hence the 3/4" of makeup a 1 1/2 pvc fitting has.State of West Virginia master plumber PL05081.
Not all fixtures call for putty. I installed a drain that called for silicone but I used putty instead. A few weeks later the whole drain cracked in half, because the putty requires that it be compressed to seal unlike silicone. The putty puts a lot of stress on the cheap plastic junk you are given these days.
Not sure if Richard was just trying to flex his knowledge of an offset or did he really think he needed to use two 45s to connect the overflow? why not swing your trap and save a fitting if you can? also at 6:17 you can clearly see the pipe did not go into the hub very far because he did not cut his horizontal pipe for the drain long enough or his diagonal for the offset was to long wonder if he caught that. Plumbing is not as easy as this old house makes it look like.
Actually it is as easy as they make it seem.But,that's coming from a master plumber with 32 years of experience.For me its second nature and literally takes zero thought.
@ 1:04 ***"" If you look at the back of the baby's head and Richards head their almost identical,,, note*** the baby wearing a work shirt already,, enough said....
@ The hair is more likely to get caught within the grid than go down into the drain, allowing for easy removal, and as John mentioned, blockage prevention. Think before you comment.
i have a little bit of knowledge about plumbing, i would like to go to school to be a professional plumber. i just recently moved to orlando florida do you know were is a school for plumbing in orlando
In my country in europe we make the pluming a lot better water pipes can change in 10 minutes if the got a hole and sewer pipes can get uncloges in 5 minutes and your house will never flood if something brakes we gor drains on the flloor of bathrooms
what are you talking about? europeans use pvc/abs/pex the same as americans. not to mention, most of the plumbing in europe is in-slab or behind brick walls which makes it even harder to replace.
What kind of hack shit is this? Plumbers puddy dries up and will leak that's why you use silicone, and he should have siliconed the back side of the overflow. Also get a damn tub wrench
In the western world, especially here in the US, most people have three names (first, middle, and last). It is not uncommon for people, especially those with children, to put their kid’s initials (the first letter from the aforementioned names) on blankets, pillows, onesies, pajamas, etc. Now, doing some deductive reasoning, the pillow has 3 letters in naval flags - typically a boy thing. The sheets are tan/pale yellow/blue - again, typically a boy thing. The bed looks much lower and very much more narrow than a standard bed as well as the tiny pillows, suggesting a child - probably a boy. We don’t know how many people live there -at least 2, and we know the decor and size don’t fit mom so, she’s probably eliminated. That leaves either the baby, or perhaps the baby’s brother’s room with the aforementioned initials on the pillow.
No proper drain wrench? That seems really odd for you. What a mess someone made of that update by not putting in an overflow as well as putting that valve so low in the wall. I feel bad for her, an idiot did their bath reno.
rc00111011 do you own a home? This isn't even bad home have so much wrong or out of code. Even new construction you will never find a home that doesn't have stuff like that
Uh yeah I own a home, I have owned a few over a 35 year span. Even in a new home? Do you build homes? I highly doubt it. Sorry, if anything like this is in a new home then there are inspectors not doing their jobs. Yes, finding something like this not uncommon, when someone hires some lame ass to do the work and no permit is pulled.
Best position of the faucet on a tub is.Tub spout is 6" higher than threshold of tub.Thats the front height u step over to get in tub.And the valvebody u put 10" higher that the tub spout.Or 16" above the threshold.U put it low like that so u can use it while sitting down in tub.Now a shower u put the valve at 48" from the floor.
Very lucky to "still" have an access panel. Surprising to find the old stopper left in there. Haven't seen one of those in a long long time. Nice fix Richard.
I have done this exact job for a home owner. It was from the 1920’s as well. Good information once again
When he was explaining all the intricacies of the pipes, I think that lady was like "Just get the thing fixed already"
:52 "The baby called.", 'Oh mother dear! Do you have a moment?'
"I NEED A WIIIIIPE!"
As a plumber I really think I watch this stuff just for laughs. Cuz man he is something else
Wdum?
I thought she was going to drop that baby when she went in for the stopper hahahahaha
me too lol
Me three ☺
The water was there to cushion the fall
Don't throw the baby away ,with the bath water..."Oh you know the thing" President Potato head
Nice to see an access door, I always put them in, don't even care if it's noticeable.
2:11 "for a properly functioning tub we need three things", holds up 4 fingers...
He is not a mathematician.
this made me laugh so hard. didn't even notice it lol
I feel like it’s a very subtle dad joke
I thought I seen that...lol
Man hands bro. Index finger can’t bend fully with the thumb. That’s what’s up. Let me know when you’re hands are like that. Ha
I wanna know what Richard spends on plumbers putty every year.
you can reuse the putty that comes out the sides but i also hate how he applies putty
JDPOWER same he puts WAY too much, I know it doesn’t really matter since it squeezes out but it’s just unorthodox and I would never do it
Probably $100+ LOL
tht sht is free from this old house
@@LumenChaser I'm just an apprentice plumber but everyone i work with uses "way too much" and reuses the rest. They also roll it up, which Richard normally does but in this video he just put it on in chunks
He’s such a great teacher!
Much better set up. Good job Richard 👍🏻
richard is the most knowledgeable person on toh
He didn't use the proper drain wrench. Hacker.
How has no one used a shop vac and cleaned up all that debris behind the tub???
Union town probably, different trade.
I'm OCD like that too.
I agree, because if you have a leak all that debris holds the water, softens your floor and ceilings. I want to know quickly if I have a leak!
When does anyone have access panels, I feel like real life isn't this convienent like this video lol
My house was built in 1923 and there is an access panel in the closet for the tub. The faucet and handles are above the side of the tub, not the end as most are.
Basically any house that's old enough to have had the bath plumbing worked on will have an access panel, because the first sucker who had to work on it put in the access panel after he tore a hole in the wall.
Mister Hat
lasts
Mister Hat
Even modern houses do any well designed house will
Have to tease just a little - add "some" putty ?!?!?!?!?!?!?! I could've installed 4 drain shoes or 3 kitchen strainers with that huge wad of plumbers putty - WOW !!!! Gotta love Richard tho - he knows a LOT about a wide range of plumbing issues...not just residential. I have learned a few things from this guy over the years...he is a good teacher and seems like a genuinely nice human being - represents the trade well !!
This guy is awesome. He Knows Plumbing and, he's a really nice guy! 😇👍❤️
Needs 3 things but holds up 4 fingers at 2:11 hahaha love it.
I'd be willing to be due to the way he holds his hand and the scar tissue there he has a joined finger. His pinky finger on that hand more or less can only do what his ring finger can do. I know cause I was born/developed one. My right hand pinky finger cannot close unless my ring finger is closed as well. Kinda makes it hard to play the guitar lol.
@5:52
'Sometimes you get lucky'
Plumbing? No you dont
thank you so much for sharing all this information! I especially love the chicken coop as we are closing today on our farm with 3 chicken coops in need of some repairs and need to build a 4th! learning how to do it all ourselves. you guys Rock!
You should really invest in one of those sink tools! Works great for tightening up that strainer basket! Alot easier than that wacky wrench setup you are using now!
You can get them at ant home Depot, made by Ridgid I believe, less than $30 and I use them almost every day. Worth every penny
The soundtrack really nice guitars as usual.
You always make it look so simple…
Never is.. lol he always finds the perfect jobs
Some times you get lucky ! This guy is the man !
Richard must have stock in the putty manufacturer 😀
2:10 I love Richard to death and have learned so much from him over the years, but he says "3 things" and holds up 4 fingers
Thanks for the dirty drop cloth on my clean bed.
Better than other vids where he just puts the dirty pipe straight on that fresh linen!
Again, a hack plumber clown.
Richard makes me want to be a plumber.
richard always there when husband is gone heheh
I laugh at how easily these shows are able to access the drains. In the older houses you have to find creative ways to reach this stuff.
here is another recommendation as a good professional plumber to always clean the mess in the area that the previous plumber created.
Who ever did that remodel shouldn't be doing remodels.
Agreed.
Say something useful next time
Clown
@@samsonofdan did the remodel
Richard did the remodel, he just forgot he did it on an old episode.
Imagine that coinvenient access door wasnt there lol
let it goooooo, let it go.
Big headed baby.
All instructional videos say to install with the larger beveled side down. But when I pull my old overflow pipe and elbow forward from inside the tub, if I place the gasket that way, there is clearly a MUCH larger gap at the top than the bottom. If I turn it over and install the other way, when I pull it forward and screw it down, it clearly makes a much better seal with the gasket touching the top and bottom of the hole evenly. Is this the better way to install it in my case, or would there still be some reason you'd want to "force" the large gap at the top closed by tightening the two side screws even harder?
(My tub is slanted very slightly with the bottom inward a tad more, but clearly the elbow is angled also so the bottom touches first.)
Need to get your a Spud wrench
Was waiting for that kid to drop in.
Could you tell me please, can I connect the elbow from the bathtub? Thanks!
surprised he didn't have the right tool for the drain install
"Richard I forgot to tell you, the baby I am holding is your son!" 🤱 🤣. Looks like him. 🤣
Like he said, sometimes you get lucky.
He has access from the other side of the wall. How convenient. I'd like to see a case where rear access is not possible.
Then u do it from below
But the bathtub is on the ground floor and there isn’t a basement underneath.
That’s reality...
nice job
Do you need to replace your tub if water is getting behind your overflow drain
Mobile home bathtubs don't have an overflow drain. Dumb!!! Thanks for this video!!!!
my stopper is 40 years old.. but i dont have to get my hands wet to drain the bath.. its got a chain on it ; ]
So bad to get your hand wet after taking a bath
You're usually inside the tub when taking a bath. So your hands would have already been wet.
Unless you're the only person on Earth you just likes filling the tub for no reason.
You can step on it with your foot and pop it open
Aren't you wet anyways from sitting in the tub
Interesting faucet on the back side of the tub. I guess if you need water in the hallway, you've got it! There's too much garbage and junk in that access hole. It would keep me up all night long with my OCD.
I had to look twice to make sure that's what I was seeing. It really looks like a hose bib on the supply.
It is, there's an output and a valve.
Blaine Bugaski It clearly is a hose bib, but there is one shot where it is clearly on the supply line. I thought that maybe it was on something else, and used to purge air, but is is clearly on the supply.
It could be used to purge air, but also to give water. Even on a hydronic heating system, you could get water from any of the purge valves if you wanted to.
That's what I was thinking, wonder what the reasoning behind it is. But why not I guess never know when you need a garden hose in the hall way.
4:30 isnt that too small??
Is there a link for parts that were used?
The homeowner has absolutely no clue WTF he is talking about. While the contractor is in the bedroom, he might as well lay some "other pipe" and perform some upstream pumping! LOL!
Nice
when you gut a bathroom you GUT IT everything out.. look at all that mess under there. and old brass fine thread junk.. thats not renovated..plus the tub spout is crooked and the water valve is way too low.. looks trashy
A D yes i know all about that.. i bought a abandon house built in 1955 and they put an addition on in 1969 made of used lumber and then tri-plexed it and 100 crappy repairs and everything needed to be gutted and torn out .. check my channel from day 1,, 7 years ago
ftg
Old valves are overbuild there are not like the new ones that last 5 years
@@zaxarispetixos8728 old valve are not up to today's codes
She really looks like she is understanding what is going on...
What if the new bathtub doesn't even have a hole cut for an overflow???
Where can you get the overflow covers like the one used in this video? I have the protruding overflow pipe with snap on cover, but I can’t find a cover with this depth.
Yeehaw!!
you missed showing what the pipe look like when it is done ..
Personally, I HATE overflows. We had the cross pipe with our old tub leak all over the floor under the tub. Had the drain went straight down through the floor, the complete mess it left wouldn’t have happened.
I’d rather have a floor drain for overflowing tubs. They’re more useful if you also overflow your toilet too - which is more of a health hazard. So can we change the asinine code to stop having tub overflows and start just having floor drains?
Finally,,,,, did you notice how the baby was silent,,,, the baby was probably thinking,,, how does this Richard guy know when or who I call,, it's none of his business.... this is My old house,,, I'd better watch this guy,, because I will call him back if my bath don't work...
lol
Why wouldn't he just cut the pipe leading from the drain to fit the old trap.
No clue
Putting the tee where he did allowed the two 45s he used to line up easy for the overflow connection. Likely could of made it work with existing trap but would of been just as much work and since the room is available I say do it whatever way is gonna be the easiest
He couldn't put the new waste into old trap.Didnt u see the trap adapter right on top of the 180 degree bend piece of old trap?U cant glue to a trap adapter.They are made for thin wall 1 1/2 brass or plastic to go into.U slip it in then tighten the compression nut.He did this almost how it should have been done.By putting both the shoe and the overflow in tub it makes it hard to put waste together.1 1/2 pvc fittings have a make up of 3/4".Meaning the hub of fitting is 3/4" of an inch long.Now think about this hard.How do u put something together when u need a minimum of 3/4" give?And u dont have the give because u locked the shoe and the overflow to tub.U fasten the shoe cause its gonna deal with all the water.The overflow u fit it up to that point from the 1 1/2" tee up.Am I the only one who noticed when he put the piece with the 2 45° chicane in it that he barely got the top of the tee onto the pipe?Meaning he cut the piece short knowing it was the easiest way to put together without fighting it.Hence the 3/4" of makeup a 1 1/2 pvc fitting has.State of West Virginia master plumber PL05081.
why not just cut the new pvc shorter at the bottom 5:50 ?
harrison herring omg yeah
There was not enough pvc to grip on to
Nice fix.
I do have one question.
Is there any reason for using putty instead of a bead of silicon ???
Thx for sharing.
Regards.
Silicon is hard to get off if you ever need to do this again. You would have to cut it out which which is risky because you could scratch the tub up.
Thx for your answer :-)
Not all fixtures call for putty. I installed a drain that called for silicone but I used putty instead. A few weeks later the whole drain cracked in half, because the putty requires that it be compressed to seal unlike silicone. The putty puts a lot of stress on the cheap plastic junk you are given these days.
1:07 is me when i doo doo my pants and need to be changed
Not sure if Richard was just trying to flex his knowledge of an offset or did he really think he needed to use two 45s to connect the overflow? why not swing your trap and save a fitting if you can? also at 6:17 you can clearly see the pipe did not go into the hub very far because he did not cut his horizontal pipe for the drain long enough or his diagonal for the offset was to long wonder if he caught that. Plumbing is not as easy as this old house makes it look like.
Actually it is as easy as they make it seem.But,that's coming from a master plumber with 32 years of experience.For me its second nature and literally takes zero thought.
#1. Tubs still overflow even with Overflow drains. #2. So never drain fast enough if you get in the tub if it's already overfilled.
2:10 did he hold up 4 fingers and say "3 things" ?
Now the baby won't drown. 👶
I wonder why the installers didn't take out that old spout and put in an overflow. It's not like they didn't have access to it.
Hold it in, or let it go!
*He has a couple special wrenches, there cuts it off with a grinder* 😀😀😀
funny looking grinder...!
Grinder??? That is a reciprocating saw
@ 1:04 ***""
If you look at the back of the baby's head and Richards head their almost identical,,, note*** the baby wearing a work shirt already,, enough said....
if you submerge the overflow under water, will it leak? I was told by my plumber that it will, but I cannot make sense of it...
What?
@@Vanilla_Icecream1231 i know!
Hes a puddy monster : )
He can reuse whats left.
*They never clean the tub or sink before putting in the new parts* 😀😀😀
That's because he's a hacker
@@jeffreyjohn2037 in my neck of the woods he would be known as a cobbler.
He could have just swung the trap over a little and put the 45's in up to the overflow. Maybe it was just for the demo of it, I suppose.
Hold it in or let it go ✍️
THIS CHANNEL IS ALSO THOROUGH تحياتي
It’s better if a tub has a grid, not just a plain opening, hair down the drain causes stoppages
@ The hair is more likely to get caught within the grid than go down into the drain, allowing for easy removal, and as John mentioned, blockage prevention. Think before you comment.
John u think a grid stops the hair somehow?The width of a human hair is .003.The grid has a minimum of 1/4" holes in it.
what type of over flow drain setup is that? I'm looking for a similar one but cant seem to find it
LASCO 03-4947
AB & A 62076 waste and overflow rough in kit...
Nothing but quality as Steve would say
And if you want this done quickly, you hire a plumber. Or have a 2nd bathroom while you try to figure it out!
More putty that's not enough
How much could charge a plumber for do this job in Chicago?
Im in naperville can do a d have for around $295.00
A Sharma did you paid $295? For this kind of job, is what you mean?
@@asharma5958 tree fiddy
*That plumbing looks scary* 😵😵😵
You OK?
That’s what I thought when I saw my main sewer clean out from 1926.
Hey Amanda make sure you get the non caulked area below the faucet nice and wet so your wall can rot out in time
Hold it in or let it go
he is swirling that glue clockwise any goood plumber knows its counterclockwise
LOL, like the way you turn it has any bearing it is freaking pipe glue.
trolling? hopefully...
Hahaha
i have a little bit of knowledge about plumbing, i would like to go to school to be a professional plumber. i just recently moved to orlando florida do you know were is a school for plumbing in orlando
Well did you become a plumber yet?
Glory hole at 4:52
lmfao! I had the SAME thought when I saw that.
Too funny
Amanda is gorgeous
works as it should.... camera cuts away to not show us that it works! lol
In my country in europe we make the pluming a lot better water pipes can change in 10 minutes if the got a hole and sewer pipes can get uncloges in 5 minutes and your house will never flood if something brakes we gor drains on the flloor of bathrooms
you also do laundry in your kitchen
what are you talking about? europeans use pvc/abs/pex the same as americans. not to mention, most of the plumbing in europe is in-slab or behind brick walls which makes it even harder to replace.
That's a santee, not a wye-tee
Actually it's a sanitary tee.Do u know what sanitary is referring to?
Why not use battery powered tools?
I was hoping to see how he did one by himself.
What kind of hack shit is this? Plumbers puddy dries up and will leak that's why you use silicone, and he should have siliconed the back side of the overflow. Also get a damn tub wrench
But the putty container says _will not dry_ !
that tub needs recaulked
I want Amanda.
You mind if you remodle my whole house for free?
Non-relevant fact for the video: 3:32 "C P M" written on the little pillow in the middle. Anyone else noticed that??? Does it mean something???
In the western world, especially here in the US, most people have three names (first, middle, and last). It is not uncommon for people, especially those with children, to put their kid’s initials (the first letter from the aforementioned names) on blankets, pillows, onesies, pajamas, etc. Now, doing some deductive reasoning, the pillow has 3 letters in naval flags - typically a boy thing. The sheets are tan/pale yellow/blue - again, typically a boy thing. The bed looks much lower and very much more narrow than a standard bed as well as the tiny pillows, suggesting a child - probably a boy. We don’t know how many people live there -at least 2, and we know the decor and size don’t fit mom so, she’s probably eliminated. That leaves either the baby, or perhaps the baby’s brother’s room with the aforementioned initials on the pillow.
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Cringe at old houses plumbing
No proper drain wrench? That seems really odd for you. What a mess someone made of that update by not putting in an overflow as well as putting that valve so low in the wall. I feel bad for her, an idiot did their bath reno.
rc00111011 do you own a home? This isn't even bad home have so much wrong or out of code. Even new construction you will never find a home that doesn't have stuff like that
Uh yeah I own a home, I have owned a few over a 35 year span. Even in a new home? Do you build homes? I highly doubt it. Sorry, if anything like this is in a new home then there are inspectors not doing their jobs. Yes, finding something like this not uncommon, when someone hires some lame ass to do the work and no permit is pulled.
When a contractor hires his sub contractors and none of them speak any English it is very common or at least in the places I have lived.
Lots of criticism.
Best position of the faucet on a tub is.Tub spout is 6" higher than threshold of tub.Thats the front height u step over to get in tub.And the valvebody u put 10" higher that the tub spout.Or 16" above the threshold.U put it low like that so u can use it while sitting down in tub.Now a shower u put the valve at 48" from the floor.