Canada has a similar problem, way too many private colleges that do nothing except give out diplomas to international students who don't know better or just want the chance to come to Canada and gain residency. They have been described as "puppy mills" by a government minister as the students rarely actually learn much and often they are owned and/or operated by individuals with shady intentions.
They actually *just* passed legislature that is supposed to absolutely close that loophole with the most recent immigration change (happened within the last 2 weeks)
Did you see the percentage of international students in Canada to total population? It's something like 4% and rising. These diploma mills are just funneling tim Horton employees.
It’s worth noting that ‘college’ in Australia is not the same as college in the US. The place where you get a Bachelors degree or higher is called a university, these colleges are, well, different
Rule of thumb in Australia is that if it includes the word college, and it’s not a high school, it’s largely a scam. Every reputable place of tertiary education in the country, is a university. There isn’t a single reputable tertiary place of study that uses the word college.
I was a little confused, it's certainly not unheard of to have multiple colleges in one building complex, because a college is usually just accommodation.
Although here in Australia, the term "university" is far more prevalent than "college". College is more likely to be used for a secondary school. And TAFE for more skills-based higher education.
Yeah, basically - but the difference is that 'University' is a strongly regulated term here. There are only 37 public and 4 private universities in Australia, and it would be illegal for any other company or organisation to sell courses claiming to be a university. So a lot of these (usually dodgy, but also more some of the more legitimate) vocational education providers use words like 'College', 'Institute' or 'Academy' in their names because those aren't regulated.
at the dawn of the internet , at Queensland University ,,we were given the task of researching Peter Duttons links to crime gangs ,, well,, its 30 years later ,, the expansion of universities doing coastal swamp research ,, & bird migrations helped the research on International drug crime ,, these dodgy colleges were zombie businesses .. / for peter duttons crime@@stephengentle2815
Except the government allegedly just shut this down. Won't fix the problem overnight, but it sounds like we've stopped the unreasonable flow of people going to strip mall colleges.
In the early 2010s here in Australia we also had vocational education colleges that used predatory marketing to make an absolute shit tonne of money. They'd set up booths in shopping centres and promise things like a free laptop or iPad if you studied there as well as free food etc. The only thing was, they didn't have any entry requirements and often would just allow students to keep "studying" there indefinitely no matter how badly they were doing, raking in cash from the government and getting these students into lots of debt, and handing out worthless diplomas to people that ended up actually finishing the courses.
That was a horrific time, they even targetted 16 year olds saying hey do you want to quit school and do this course. I remember calling one up once and legitimately wanting to learn and asking what the difference between the software development vs programming course was and she said oh with one you get an alienware laptop the other a dell.
Yep, the "international student" industry here is a big problem. International students pay full fees and aren't eligible for government-supplied interest-free loans (called HELP loans) or subsidies (CSPs). I think at the university I am at (which unlike the video topic is a very real university) up to 37% of all students are international students, most of them from China. The uni also boasts about how many international students they have in financial reviews, and during COVID actually blamed the lack of international students travelling for a large part of their financial losses. Another really bad thing is that we're currently in a rental crisis, where rental availability is at an all-time low and rental prices are at record highs. Many domestic students are struggling to find a place to live, while all the universities care about is getting as many full-fee international students through their doors!
welcome to the real world, Neo! Where government wasted the whole year budget in 2021 plus, at the same time, destroyed half of economy. So mortgage rate is 6% and rental price corresponds to this. No one sends us money from Mars, thats we are who have to pay back all these wasted resources.
This is also true in the UK, the housing situation in my city is terrible, and my year has been described to me as “painfully over subscribed” since I started during Covid and they really really took advantage of that
I worked part time in a small restaurant, located in a food court during my uni time. Only one guy and I, so 2 out of 6 crews are legit international students. The rest of them signed up to these 'ghost colleges', no attendance needed. Some didn't even require any assignment submissions. Simply pay the fee and you will receive a diploma at the end of the course. When I just started, I thought they were local Australian because they look young, and they worked full time. (My guess was based on the work limit for international students, we just don't get to work long hours.) Then I realised they couldn't be. They didn't act like my local Australian friends and spoke English with heavy accents, or they simply didn't speak English at all. Later when we knew each other better, they told the story about their working live in Sydney. Basically, these colleges offer the cheapest and longest way to stay in Australia. And after deducting all those college fees, utilities fee, they still earned much more than their peers back in their home countries. These people I have talked to were mostly from Malaysia, Indonesia, China, Bangladesh, Vietnam, and Thai. My friend who is Malaysian told me, a food court in the north side of Sydney, was staffed with almost 80% Malaysians at one time. Pretty much all of them were working 5-6 days a week under student visas and went to one of these colleges. She said that's just very common in her social circle.
And we're currently is a housing crisis. We're importing hundreds of thousands of people, and we're not building anywhere near houses to put them in, let alone regular population growth. It's like our leaders have been asleep at the wheel for the last 10 years.
I hope we're all enjoying the irony of a video about companies profiting off of legal loopholes which is sponsored by a company profiting off of legal loopholes
@@hasanmuttaqin464 The sponsor of this video is Incogni. Big internet companies have the right to take your data, but they must delete it if you request them to. But people are too lazy to do this, so Incogni basically sends the requests for you in exchange for payment. Not necessarily bad, but technically a legal loophole.
Being an international student in Australia, my perception is that the students themselves are driving this. Yes, some are tricked into it by recruiters, but a huge number (the overwhelming majority I'd wager) are doing this deliberately to use the student visa system to get a working visa that they otherwise wouldn't be eligible for. Even in the "real" international colleges, the students often have no interest in studying at all - just doing the bare minimum to stay enrolled and keep their working rights.
It's sad to see how some education institutions exploit both international students and immigration loopholes to their advantage, compromising the learning experience. It's a much-appreciated effort towards bringing light to this issue.
The basis of Australia's current economy is quite literally selling out the Chinese, never mind people can buy up residencies without even living in Australia, and public infrastructure being privatized for short term profit.
HAI showing a lecture hall of the cathedral of learning (definitely not in Australia) and that room gets packed all the time with students. Brings back terrible memories of that room.
As someone living on a WHM visa in Australia, can confirm it's really common to meet others who are on student visas just to work. The thing is, a student visa restricts you to only working something like 20 hours a week, which I think a lot of people don't realize before coming here. A lot of job listings, especially at the entry level, will say things like students need not apply, unrestricted visa required, etc.
The employers usually get around that by paying them for the amount of hours they are allowed to work. Then nothing extra for the next 20 hours, so their payslip says they worked 20 hours and not a minute more.
There have been a bunch of issues with the student visa system being exploited over the years, and they all follow the same basic dynamic, but the technical loopholes they use keep changing - the government keeps closing loopholes but dodgy operators keep finding new ones. The 'concurrent enrolment' thing is the latest way they've found to do their old thing.
The US doesn't even have the dignity of preying on other countries' students. They do it to their own. I went to this sham of a school that promised to teach me CompTIA, Cisco, and Microsoft certifications. I did leave there with lifetime A+, Network+, and Security+ certs but I never got a CCNA or MCSE like they promised. And then I got a bill for $80,000 for just 6 months of classes. The bill included things like meals, room & board, and dorm cleaning fees. They didn't have dorms, a cafeteria, or even a vending machine. It was just a single floor of an office building in Jacksonville, Florida. The school was called Fast Train. After I stopped going and was disputing the bill, they got raided by the FBI and shut down for good. The owner was arrested for all kinds of financial crimes. My bill just kind of ...vanished. The school doesn't exist anymore and because I didn't take out any student loans, there's no one to repay.
The Miami Herald reported, "Miami for-profit college operator Alejandro Amor had a 54-foot yacht, a $2 million waterfront home and his own private plane. Now he’s headed to prison. On Tuesday, a Miami federal jury convicted Amor of 12 counts of theft of government money, and one count of conspiracy." They had "campuses" all over Florida. I went to the Jacksonville campus.
@@jamesflynn6827 Yep. I got... lucky, I guess? The certifications are industry standards in the IT world. You can study on your own and go take the tests for them. Or, you can go to a "bootcamp" where they teach you everything in a short time. Or you can do what I did and go to a school where you're supposed to actually learn the material and then take the exams. So, I got lucky, I guess. A lot of people who went to that same school took out federal student loans or personal loans to pay the tuition or they just paid it up front. So, I did get lucky because I wasn't out any money.
Ya, their all over Canada here as well, it’s basically just an easy way to get a defacto work permit. And here it’s not a recruiter sneaking normal students into these strip mall schools, they advertise it as being a way of being able to work in Canada
Great video Sam. As an Australian - it is genuinely embarasing that the Federal Government has (on essentially a bipartisan basis) just allowed hundreds of fake universities to be established in random office buildings to enable an exploitable supply of temporary labour for low skilled jobs. The racket has been going on for years - and completely undermines the prestige of Australia's actual leading universities that are actually really quite good. Everyone here knows the international education export figures are a massive joke, mainly to disguise the fact that the Australian economy is based around being the world's most efficient mine.
The big unis are hardly innocent participants. They enrol as many international students as possible. Then when the barely literate kid inevitably fails the uni just passes them anyway. Or forces real students to do the work as a "group" assignment. All trashing the quality of teaching for real students and the validity of the degree. But the vice chancellor gets a million dollar salary which I suppose is dll that really matters.
Walking through central Melbourne it makes me so angry seeing the signs for these places. Many of them have grand names that make them sound like large prestigious colleges (things like "the australian national institute of economic studies) but they're located in small run down office blocks. I feel bad for any students coming here actually intending to study who get sucked int one of these
They don't get sucked in though, they go in knowing it's a cheap rort that opens up the ability to work using the visa which is what a lot of the international students want..
HAI - Thank you very much for bringing up this topic! As an immigrant started as an international student, I despise those who exploit the generosity of the host country and take other’s grace as granted. It’s cheering to hear this story!
This is wild. I thought it was going to be about regular diploma mills, which pose as real universities and issue degrees but require little to nothing from the "students" beyond a nominal fee. But this scheme is way more clever.
there are such colleges in the US too - who offer something called "day 1 CPT". If your work authorization on student visa has expired, you can enroll in them and continue working
4:24 I had a whole rant ready about how that isn't Comic Sans, but Comic Neue, but actually there's a few frames of Comic Sans at the start of that clip so never mind!!
Education is considered an export because it's rendering a service that is consumed by people outside of the country. Tourism is actually also considered an export for the same reason. Unintuitive for sure, but that's how to make services line up with regular old goods in terms of import/export balance sheets
Except the students arent outside Australia. The money they are spending was overwhelmingly earned and spent inside Australia. Education is barely and export. The big numbers are a straight up lie from the edumigration industry.
Many countries done this, in Singapore there's a college with 10,000 students but no one show up, because all students are "studying in online class" (no, I'm not talking "Studying at home during Covid") and takes student worldwide. When the student graduate, they just simply mail your certificate with grade-point paper directly to your home, and you can proudly say that you're "Singaporean Graduate"
Yep, I was one of those so-called "College" students in Melbourn on the same street. Colleges on that street are like 20 and some of them are like 3x in the same building on separate floors. In my class, we were 30+ people if I remember correctly on the first day but later on the number went down to like ~12. We only had to attend only once a week. If you didn't attend, then you just had to catch up yourself by doing the homework they gave us. Everyone for the most part had found a job, some even had 2 or 3 jobs at the same time just to make ends meet. Kinda bizarre but that's true. In my colleague, most people were from Latin America and Europe. What also fascinated me were the Universities in Melbourn. There are like a couple of universities -Melbourne Uni, RMIT, Monash etc. that come right out of my head. Good universities with a good background but with a lot of people from India and China. Like 90% of them. Only maybe 3-5 out of 65 students were local residents. Kinda insane. I asked one Indian guy: "How can you afford a uni in Australia?" I asked because the prices there are bizarre. Like 90k$ - 130k$ per year! (Or trough 4 years. Now I'm doubting my self. But either way, the price was steep.) Some are less but more or less the prices ranged around there. The Indian guy answered: "We took a loan out of the bank." I was like, OMFG...you're balls deep brother. I was also surprised the bank gave that much of a loan.😐 And here's the harsh truth. Most of them work 2-3 jobs for like 9 to 10 years just to pay off their debt and without a guarantee of getting a VISA. Sure after ~8 years you can naturalize but the process is complicated. All students are permitted to work only 20 hours a week _OFFICIALY._ I repeat, officially with a student VISA one can work only 20 hours but how can they work in 2-3 jobs you ask? Well, you can assume what the answer might be. But I will hit you, that a lot of places pay you _' under the table.'_ Speaking from my personal experience. The minimum hourly unofficial wage for one place was 15 AUS$/h Lastly, Melbourn was a one big fat Chinatown when I was there in 2018. If you know additionally Mandarin, and Korean then that can be beneficiary.
Love how it depicts the students as innocent victims, they know very well how the scheme works and are just trying to skip the immigration queue to for residency in Australia as many prior have done successfully. The recruiters and the students are all from the same country and are just exploiting Australia.
I did one of those colleges when i was in Australia in 2005. I had done the 1-year working holiday and i wanted to stay a bit longer. If I remember correctly, we had to show up twice per week for a few hours and I actually still remember the IATA stuff that we were taught (i took some travel related course). When i went back home for uni, this “ghost college” degree was recognised and i was allowed to do a 3-year program instead of the standard 4. I do think some of these colleges are bad and take complete advantage but they’re not all like that. The better ones do employ quite a number of local instructors. My 2 instructors were native Australians for example so i have mixed feelings about how this whole industry is portrayed in the media.
As an Australian the tuition side is complex because of our HECS system (i.e. gov facilitated load system thats only repaid when you earn above a certain threshold) During covid my university (QUT) had a big financial hurdle out of the blue due to that loss of income from the international students who pay not only more per course (As the gov covers a big chunk of ours up front as a Commonwealth supported position)
As somebody who did 4yrs of University in Australia, I can confirm that the brand new computers in the libraries were funded mostly by full price paying international students.
I thought this problem was just a UK one. The Sunday Times recently did an investigation (you can watch on UA-cam) of top UK universities giving places to international students with much lower grades than is required from UK students. International students were allowed onto a mathematics degree with a grade of CCD with a C in Maths. And these people didn't apply through UCAS. Instead, they applied directly to the University through their portal onto a course titled "International Year One".
wow! I did applied to a lot of UK universities through UCAS to see how the system worked, and I was admitted to a few. I would never enroll because those prices are mind-blowing.
The UK had the same issue with language schools, the government shutdown on it- but I believe some have kept going. I read for some of them the standard of English being taught was often worse than the students own language.
As someone who studied and now works at a university in the UK, there was indeed a big government crackdown on sham student Visas. As I understand it Educational institutions in the UK are now required to monitor student attendance and report to the government if any foreign students stop showing up.
My job consists of measuring up office spaces in Melbourne that these ghost colleges lease, because I believe they are required by law to have a physical office. The amount of times I saw students studying in them, I could count them on my hand!
So many folks in Australia aren’t aware of how serious this issue has gotten. Being at uni myself, I've seen so many friends exploited by their employers, landlords, migration agents, etc... For anyone reading this who might be affected, remember Fair Work is a good first port of call. And shoutout to orgs like the Migrant Workers Centre and some unions calling this out, finally.
I used to walk past that building and wonder WTF was going on with so many schools....intl students in those colleges are our uber drivers, service workers and cleaners.
As a local student this was the reason it was almost impossible to get a low skilled hospitality job. This meant the only way to get through university was through Centrelink (Australia’s version of Social Security). Rather than eating ramen 5 times a week I would have preferred to work and go to school. Glad they closed this loophole.
Just become a Sparky, it's basically like being on the dole except you can blow shit up and steal copper wiring out of the walls on company time, and people still treat you like you're some fuckin genius who's worth the big bucks.
If the government was really trying to close this loophole, it would have been done. It's misleading to say they are "cracking down on it" and "really want to fix it" when in reality the problem has only gotten worse over time in many countries.
One really critical aspect here is that the export numbers assume that everyone attending the univeristies are funded by money from outside the country. If you commit Visa fraud, youre in country to work, thus youre not actually bringing any money into the country.
It also assumes all students spend as much money as tourists. Plus's their school fees. So not only is the money earned in Australia the actual number is much much lower.
I fully expected that to go into a Brilliant ad read, "theres still a way to sign up for a course of study, barely attend and try to get a job later; its called Brilliant -- "
A lot of this problem went away during covid when the international students all went home. There was also a concerted effort by the government to deregister these colleges which is an ongoing process. There is, however, a real need to clean up the way the CRICOS registry operates.
They don't need to deregister the schools they need to restrict the visa. But they won't because the government love a cheap exploitable underclass to screw down wages and pay higher rents.
@@FekDindad-xy9vz the schools are set up with a specific purpose , to facilitate visa fraud. So the fraudulent schools need to be deregistered so that a visa applicant has nowhere to enrol except for a legitimate institution.
Funny how the end of a lot of menial jobs saw supposed "students" lleave. The schools didnt shut, real students continued to study, but the ones here on what are basically cheap work visas all left. And then governements did all they could to bring them back. A massive underclass of cheap workers is exactly what they want
I work as a law clerk on Queen street and it’s always funny when I leave the office and see the students from the same building leaving to have lunch. They just occupy an office space like any other small business.
And here I thought it was just going to be a bunch of colleges that did online only, but saying they were from this building was financially beneficial.
My theory is that Incogni is a data broker themselves, hence why they’re so good at removing your personal details from the systems, they broker your data until you pay up
As a former international student who took their study seriously, this makes me angry. I still to this day have PTSD from exams worried sick I would fail and re pay for additional semester, and some jabroni went on a fake course just like that? Unacceptable.
In Australia: College - what some high schools call themselves if they want to sound more fancy and can also refer to vocational learning centres more like TAFE. University- what Americans know as college, bachelor or higher. School- primary and secondary/high.
it also cause massive property and rental issues, a few years ago they promoted courses to catch the vulnerable with free laptops etc the courses are way more expensive than accredited courses and TAFE colleges.
It blew up in other ways as well. Unfortunatley a few people died across several hospitals as nurses has been given jobs after gaining very dodgy nursing qualifications through some of these colleges. In one case, the nurse couldn't read English well enough to read the instructions on a bottle of medicine and gave the person the wrong thing, which led to said persons death. ☹I also attended one of Australia's better known universities as a mature age student. I encountered many foreign students that could barely speak English and would sit silently in tutorials. They couldn't read the study material, and I sat next to a guy in an exam who was caught cheating after writing answers on his arm and wearing a long jacket. I should be grateful in a way, as next these guys I looked like a freaken genius and it definately helped me look better when engaging with the lecturers.
All Australian universities are diploma/PR mills. The only qualification to graduate is money, you have it, you get a degree. Even if you don't speak English.
I was an international student in Australia from 2015-20. I never worked, never did anything but studies I got my PhD in Electronics Engineering on 2020. Now 4 years on thanks to such institutions I never found any full time role, never got my Permanent residency, all I managed was a part time teaching role in an actual university with students and I also work as a Uber driver in Australia too. Thanks to these ghost colleges lives of deserving people like me who are actual students are ruined.
@@agme8045 there are too many people in the job market. It just increases the competition for actual roles with fake University students who often come for masters try to get a job with their bachelors degree which is real one. So it saturates the market, increases competition for everyone. PhD is just a sign of technical expertise but not enough to get a job full time especially in Australia where the industry is limited so far applied to over 10,000 jobs all to be rejected after my PhD. I now tend to believe that finding signs of an extra terrestrial life is easier than getting a full time role in Australia. Another thing about Australia is there’s an unspoken rule between companies that they won’t hire people who hold a visa and they only hire people who have permanent residency in the last 4 years I have known a lot of my friends who came with a permanent residency and they straight away got hired while me being a visa holder is just struggling to pay my bills
If you’re an engineer in Australia without a job then you must not want one. Engineering is the hottest job right now. I know engineers who get at least one job offer a week, and another who was poached by a company in Europe.
@@lowend5566 that must be a fairy tale or maybe an Australian citizen or a permanent resident atleast I am an Engineer living in Australia and I am actively searching for one since 2020 and have the list of names of companies and the dates I applied to ever since I graduated. For me its like a myth to be hired after a university degree. My personal life including my relationship fell through because of Australia's cursed job market for Engineers on a visa
@@FlyingExplorer2022 Well I'm sorry to hear about that and I wish you better luck in your search. In my experience engineers have done well in the current environment. My son's cohort graduated in 2021/2. In his friend group there is two mechanical engineers, two chemicals, one software and one mechatronic. The mechatronic has been poached from the job he got on graduation by a company in Belgium. One mechanical was employed full time from graduation first by a startup then by a major medical devices company, the other mech went straight from uni to Cochlear. The two chemicals have been in a variety of startups and established firms, and the software guy has swapped jobs and is now at Canva. All say that they get constant approaches on LinkedIn. The thing is they all did standard undergrad degrees and went straight to work, none did higher degrees (though one mech did her Phd in the UK while working full time). They all started at entry level jobs but at what I would call excellent salaries. So my experience differs. On the visa holder rather than resident issue. I personally know one Indian woman visa holder (not permanent resident) who was employed out of MQ before graduation from her business studies course. She is, however, an exceptional young woman.
Man the moment he mentioned 190 Queen St it hit home, I remembered walking passed them in the CBD seeing a bunch of “school” inside thinking to myself “wtf are these kind of school, they got a tiny arse campus, no facilities, quite expensive in term of tuition, who would enrolled here beside illegal immigrants with student visa”
It seems odd that this is still going on in Aus. In the UK we had this kind of scandal around 5-6 years ago. We had a similar system allowing international students to come and 'study' - no questions asked. But a lot of them had been ripped off - or perhaps knew what they were getting into? - and had signed up for bogus colleges. I'd have thought that was a red flag for these other countries selling English language courses.
There’s a international college across the road from my work (also Melbourne) and for a while there there was a homeless guy sleeping in the doorway. After a news report about this came out they stuck a sign on the door saying they moved.
If these students were actually smart enough to get into proper university, then how can you even say they are being taken advantage of??? They are IN ON THE SCAM! They have no intention of getting a proper tertiary education. They are just trying to find a shortcut to immigrating. I live next-door to such a building that is full of these colleges, and I can assure you that they are not the sharpest knives in the drawer and will add absolutely no value in the future.
They know what they are signing up for. International "students" are not some innocent idiots with no capacity to figure things out. Their goal was always to immigrate to Australia and paying for fake college is one easy method to do that.
Missed having room 324 Cathedral of Learning show up at the @3:24 mark. Shows up less than 10 seconds later. I've had to teach in that room at University of Pittsburgh a few too many times.
yeah, our universities make a lot of money by offering courses to people overseas, getting them to come to the country and then making a ton off the fact that they are rich
I remember when I went to university in Australia I ended up needing to drop out due to other reasons but the hilarious thing was they said they couldn't unenroll me for another 4 weeks because they still needed to enrol all the international students we were 4 weeks into the year.
Back when I was a service tech for business equipment in the late 80s, I did a repair job at one of the "colleges" mentioned in this video, & there were literally no "students" there, just a few staffers. They are real, & they are absolutely an immigration scam. This particular "college" did hospitality courses - teaching people how to pull a beer or wait tables; things any average person can easily learn in a day or two at a workplace.
I thought this was a different Scheme. Some services offer student discounts and I thought they take a small fee, you are officially a student and you don't need to do student stuff but you get the juicy student discounts and most sites aren't aware of it.
Yeah I looked up how much masters cost in Australia, read the tuition fees for international students at a university offering an interesting masters course and laughed hard, especially since my country* doesn't charge very much to international students and for the most part in terms of fees treats them like national students. (usually not more than 600 Euros per year* however they need to have 10k Euros deposited on a locked account) (*well in the most part of my country at least) So yeah its not surprising that education is at rank 4 and makes more money than gold.
Just remember a college does not mean the same in australia. You cannot get a degree without going to a university here. A tafe or rto can do vocational training.
@ThesaurusToblerone no I understand they just don't really care because the amount of money they make out of international students. And because of that they want to make it easy
If you look at the huge increase in UK education visas, I suspect something similar is happening there. In addition to foreign students having to pay much higher fees, so more profitable, than the locals.
I wanted to study at an public Australian University. Got in, but a little out of my price range, $40K total for the university, I already had housing as my sister lives there and would hook me up with a part-time job. However I couldn't find a single lender for a student loan as an International student. It was not part of the foreign US student loan program, I found out quickly if a University is not in that system there is no lender that going to loan the money because they want to be backed by the government.
Given that in Australia, Universities are called Universities. A college is EITHER the name of a particular residential hall on or off campus, or the name given to a Secondary School! We don’t use the words that USA uses for tertiary education. (School is not university, it is School ie primary or secondary, or a specific part of an academic faculty with a specific research interest) Sadly many potential international students do not undertake ‘due diligence’ to make sure they understand the system.
During COVID, alot of the international students were trapped in Australia with no government support and no way to support themselves with work. It was an awful situation.
I think what isn't mentioned is a lot of international students aren't exploited by these ghost colleges, a large number of them understand its a sham degree and still enrol because the work opportunities in Australia vastly offset the fake college fees. There is simply a perception in a number of primarily south and south east asian countries that getting to Australia by any means necessary will make you rich, and so there is massive profit for businesses who can exploit immigration loopholes to facilitate that.
Get a qualification in your home country that Australia actually has vacancies in like nursing, mechanic, maybe civil engineering (not other engineering, I am an Electrical/Electronic Honors Eng. myself it is very tough to find work, I work as a high end tech) - you will need to do a 6 months-1 year bridging course. Also we do very little research here and do not care about masters or PHD.
The govt has to crack down on these colleges. Theyre only called colleges because they really mean nothing in Australia in terms of actual education. Theyre training centres for some kind of vocation. A collage is something between high school and university - they offer diplomas and are all private, and usually cost a fortune. The only ppl who enroll in these are those in some kind of industry who need some academic component to their qualification, like a trade or hospitality or care workers of some kind. College here is not like College in the US.
These parents are amazing. They know school is boring and pointless, that tests and worksheets are dull and don't do anything good. But they need a transition into College/GED as that will be like the school system.
Here I was thinking that that last joke about regular colleges was going to be the ballsiest transition to a Brilliant ad read ever.
😂😂😂
same
I don't have the words to describe my disappointment at that exact moment.
But YOU can develop your vocabulary by signing up at...
I was expecting an ad for Brilliant.
I was expecting a Skillshare ad lmao
Canada has a similar problem, way too many private colleges that do nothing except give out diplomas to international students who don't know better or just want the chance to come to Canada and gain residency. They have been described as "puppy mills" by a government minister as the students rarely actually learn much and often they are owned and/or operated by individuals with shady intentions.
They actually *just* passed legislature that is supposed to absolutely close that loophole with the most recent immigration change (happened within the last 2 weeks)
@CurlyVeggie not covering Canada in concrete for infinite migrants? Yikes!
@iterativeimprovements1713 (nothing will change)
Did you see the percentage of international students in Canada to total population? It's something like 4% and rising. These diploma mills are just funneling tim Horton employees.
@@longiusaescius2537The entire canada is made of immigrants
It’s worth noting that ‘college’ in Australia is not the same as college in the US. The place where you get a Bachelors degree or higher is called a university, these colleges are, well, different
Usually colleges are the names of either school accommodation, or the equivalent of a community college (but TAFE is also similar)
@@declansb641 true
Yeah, these colleges give out diplomas or training certificates only. They are not the equivalent of universities.
Rule of thumb in Australia is that if it includes the word college, and it’s not a high school, it’s largely a scam. Every reputable place of tertiary education in the country, is a university. There isn’t a single reputable tertiary place of study that uses the word college.
I was a little confused, it's certainly not unheard of to have multiple colleges in one building complex, because a college is usually just accommodation.
Although here in Australia, the term "university" is far more prevalent than "college". College is more likely to be used for a secondary school. And TAFE for more skills-based higher education.
Thank you it was bothering me the entire video
Yeah, basically - but the difference is that 'University' is a strongly regulated term here. There are only 37 public and 4 private universities in Australia, and it would be illegal for any other company or organisation to sell courses claiming to be a university. So a lot of these (usually dodgy, but also more some of the more legitimate) vocational education providers use words like 'College', 'Institute' or 'Academy' in their names because those aren't regulated.
at the dawn of the internet , at Queensland University ,,we were given the task of researching Peter Duttons links to crime gangs ,,
well,, its 30 years later ,, the expansion of universities doing coastal swamp research ,, &
bird migrations helped the research on International drug crime ,, these dodgy colleges were zombie businesses .. /
for peter duttons crime@@stephengentle2815
You could substitute Australia for Canada in this video and it would still be largely applicable
Except the government allegedly just shut this down.
Won't fix the problem overnight, but it sounds like we've stopped the unreasonable flow of people going to strip mall colleges.
as cold australia and hot canada
UK too, but we call them bogus colleges.
NZ has this problem too, except nobody is doing anything to stop them.
You could substitute Australia for Canada in most videos and it would still be largely applicable.
In the early 2010s here in Australia we also had vocational education colleges that used predatory marketing to make an absolute shit tonne of money. They'd set up booths in shopping centres and promise things like a free laptop or iPad if you studied there as well as free food etc. The only thing was, they didn't have any entry requirements and often would just allow students to keep "studying" there indefinitely no matter how badly they were doing, raking in cash from the government and getting these students into lots of debt, and handing out worthless diplomas to people that ended up actually finishing the courses.
A lot ended up in Health care.
That was a horrific time, they even targetted 16 year olds saying hey do you want to quit school and do this course. I remember calling one up once and legitimately wanting to learn and asking what the difference between the software development vs programming course was and she said oh with one you get an alienware laptop the other a dell.
Yep, the "international student" industry here is a big problem. International students pay full fees and aren't eligible for government-supplied interest-free loans (called HELP loans) or subsidies (CSPs). I think at the university I am at (which unlike the video topic is a very real university) up to 37% of all students are international students, most of them from China. The uni also boasts about how many international students they have in financial reviews, and during COVID actually blamed the lack of international students travelling for a large part of their financial losses.
Another really bad thing is that we're currently in a rental crisis, where rental availability is at an all-time low and rental prices are at record highs. Many domestic students are struggling to find a place to live, while all the universities care about is getting as many full-fee international students through their doors!
welcome to the real world, Neo! Where government wasted the whole year budget in 2021 plus, at the same time, destroyed half of economy. So mortgage rate is 6% and rental price corresponds to this. No one sends us money from Mars, thats we are who have to pay back all these wasted resources.
Sounds like a very similar housing crisis that we're experiencing over here in the Netherlands, although I'm pretty sure it's even worse here.
Which uni?
This is also true in the UK, the housing situation in my city is terrible, and my year has been described to me as “painfully over subscribed” since I started during Covid and they really really took advantage of that
Wouldnt it be more appropriate to blame those who caused the housing crisis rather than a bunch of students who just need a small apartment?
I worked part time in a small restaurant, located in a food court during my uni time. Only one guy and I, so 2 out of 6 crews are legit international students. The rest of them signed up to these 'ghost colleges', no attendance needed. Some didn't even require any assignment submissions. Simply pay the fee and you will receive a diploma at the end of the course.
When I just started, I thought they were local Australian because they look young, and they worked full time. (My guess was based on the work limit for international students, we just don't get to work long hours.) Then I realised they couldn't be. They didn't act like my local Australian friends and spoke English with heavy accents, or they simply didn't speak English at all. Later when we knew each other better, they told the story about their working live in Sydney. Basically, these colleges offer the cheapest and longest way to stay in Australia. And after deducting all those college fees, utilities fee, they still earned much more than their peers back in their home countries.
These people I have talked to were mostly from Malaysia, Indonesia, China, Bangladesh, Vietnam, and Thai. My friend who is Malaysian told me, a food court in the north side of Sydney, was staffed with almost 80% Malaysians at one time. Pretty much all of them were working 5-6 days a week under student visas and went to one of these colleges. She said that's just very common in her social circle.
And we're currently is a housing crisis. We're importing hundreds of thousands of people, and we're not building anywhere near houses to put them in, let alone regular population growth. It's like our leaders have been asleep at the wheel for the last 10 years.
I hope we're all enjoying the irony of a video about companies profiting off of legal loopholes which is sponsored by a company profiting off of legal loopholes
That would make Half as Interesting a company profiting off of a company profiting off of legal loopholes.
is brilliant really profiting from legal loopholes? can you elaborate further, i'm genuinely curious
@@hasanmuttaqin464 The sponsor of this video is Incogni. Big internet companies have the right to take your data, but they must delete it if you request them to. But people are too lazy to do this, so Incogni basically sends the requests for you in exchange for payment. Not necessarily bad, but technically a legal loophole.
@@hasanmuttaqin464 The sponsor is Incogni, not Brilliant.
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Being an international student in Australia, my perception is that the students themselves are driving this. Yes, some are tricked into it by recruiters, but a huge number (the overwhelming majority I'd wager) are doing this deliberately to use the student visa system to get a working visa that they otherwise wouldn't be eligible for. Even in the "real" international colleges, the students often have no interest in studying at all - just doing the bare minimum to stay enrolled and keep their working rights.
And annoyingly all these international students who do this all come from that same region, iykyk
@@BrittenelleandOrionKMGI do not know
@@BrittenelleandOrionKMGyou mean the earth?
@@beatrix1120 they are all indian
Exactly they know very well what they come here for, then play the victim card
It's sad to see how some education institutions exploit both international students and immigration loopholes to their advantage, compromising the learning experience. It's a much-appreciated effort towards bringing light to this issue.
The basis of Australia's current economy is quite literally selling out the Chinese, never mind people can buy up residencies without even living in Australia, and public infrastructure being privatized for short term profit.
HAI showing a lecture hall of the cathedral of learning (definitely not in Australia) and that room gets packed all the time with students. Brings back terrible memories of that room.
As someone living on a WHM visa in Australia, can confirm it's really common to meet others who are on student visas just to work. The thing is, a student visa restricts you to only working something like 20 hours a week, which I think a lot of people don't realize before coming here. A lot of job listings, especially at the entry level, will say things like students need not apply, unrestricted visa required, etc.
The employers usually get around that by paying them for the amount of hours they are allowed to work. Then nothing extra for the next 20 hours, so their payslip says they worked 20 hours and not a minute more.
This is definitely not a new phenomenon, the Australian government said it was cracking down on this in like 2009
@resolecca really they did the opposite
I suppose the 2009 plan was cracked.
@@tessjuel implying they did anything
There have been a bunch of issues with the student visa system being exploited over the years, and they all follow the same basic dynamic, but the technical loopholes they use keep changing - the government keeps closing loopholes but dodgy operators keep finding new ones. The 'concurrent enrolment' thing is the latest way they've found to do their old thing.
@@benlever3172 Aus has 50 ~ years without something like this. It's malicious negligence at this point at best
The US doesn't even have the dignity of preying on other countries' students. They do it to their own. I went to this sham of a school that promised to teach me CompTIA, Cisco, and Microsoft certifications. I did leave there with lifetime A+, Network+, and Security+ certs but I never got a CCNA or MCSE like they promised. And then I got a bill for $80,000 for just 6 months of classes. The bill included things like meals, room & board, and dorm cleaning fees. They didn't have dorms, a cafeteria, or even a vending machine. It was just a single floor of an office building in Jacksonville, Florida. The school was called Fast Train. After I stopped going and was disputing the bill, they got raided by the FBI and shut down for good. The owner was arrested for all kinds of financial crimes. My bill just kind of ...vanished. The school doesn't exist anymore and because I didn't take out any student loans, there's no one to repay.
The Miami Herald reported, "Miami for-profit college operator Alejandro Amor had a 54-foot yacht, a $2 million waterfront home and his own private plane.
Now he’s headed to prison.
On Tuesday, a Miami federal jury convicted Amor of 12 counts of theft of government money, and one count of conspiracy."
They had "campuses" all over Florida. I went to the Jacksonville campus.
The guy running it was indicted and went to prison, by the way.
So essentially you made gains since you got some sort of (recognized?) certificate and didn't need to pay since he did go to prison?
@@jamesflynn6827 stonks ^^^^
@@jamesflynn6827 Yep. I got... lucky, I guess? The certifications are industry standards in the IT world. You can study on your own and go take the tests for them. Or, you can go to a "bootcamp" where they teach you everything in a short time. Or you can do what I did and go to a school where you're supposed to actually learn the material and then take the exams. So, I got lucky, I guess. A lot of people who went to that same school took out federal student loans or personal loans to pay the tuition or they just paid it up front. So, I did get lucky because I wasn't out any money.
Ya, their all over Canada here as well, it’s basically just an easy way to get a defacto work permit. And here it’s not a recruiter sneaking normal students into these strip mall schools, they advertise it as being a way of being able to work in Canada
Great video Sam.
As an Australian - it is genuinely embarasing that the Federal Government has (on essentially a bipartisan basis) just allowed hundreds of fake universities to be established in random office buildings to enable an exploitable supply of temporary labour for low skilled jobs.
The racket has been going on for years - and completely undermines the prestige of Australia's actual leading universities that are actually really quite good.
Everyone here knows the international education export figures are a massive joke, mainly to disguise the fact that the Australian economy is based around being the world's most efficient mine.
The big unis are hardly innocent participants. They enrol as many international students as possible. Then when the barely literate kid inevitably fails the uni just passes them anyway. Or forces real students to do the work as a "group" assignment. All trashing the quality of teaching for real students and the validity of the degree.
But the vice chancellor gets a million dollar salary which I suppose is dll that really matters.
KICKBACKS FROM DEAMONS yah WELCOME to modern Earth Aussie! Ohh 'merica say's oops sorry
Walking through central Melbourne it makes me so angry seeing the signs for these places. Many of them have grand names that make them sound like large prestigious colleges (things like "the australian national institute of economic studies) but they're located in small run down office blocks. I feel bad for any students coming here actually intending to study who get sucked int one of these
They don't get sucked in though, they go in knowing it's a cheap rort that opens up the ability to work using the visa which is what a lot of the international students want..
I live in Melbourne, and I am absolutely shocked by this..... The government got wise? No, that's not possible.
HAI - Thank you very much for bringing up this topic! As an immigrant started as an international student, I despise those who exploit the generosity of the host country and take other’s grace as granted. It’s cheering to hear this story!
This is wild. I thought it was going to be about regular diploma mills, which pose as real universities and issue degrees but require little to nothing from the "students" beyond a nominal fee. But this scheme is way more clever.
How the Pasta can you learn to be a vehicle mechanic via online learning?
Oh wait, we finally have the explanation for dealer service center techs...
there are such colleges in the US too - who offer something called "day 1 CPT". If your work authorization on student visa has expired, you can enroll in them and continue working
So now in addition to Nigerian Princes, we also have to worry about emails from an Australian college recruiter? 😅
Lesson of the video, stay well clear of Australia, that place is a lost cause.
If you're looking at Australia as a place to get your academic qualifications, how bright can you be? 😆😆
The use of Penn State's Old Main as a backdrop to "ghost colleges" had me doing a double take hahaha
one of my classes at pitt is in one of the rooms that was shown that had me do a double take too
We are!
4:24 I had a whole rant ready about how that isn't Comic Sans, but Comic Neue, but actually there's a few frames of Comic Sans at the start of that clip so never mind!!
nerd.
Education is considered an export because it's rendering a service that is consumed by people outside of the country. Tourism is actually also considered an export for the same reason. Unintuitive for sure, but that's how to make services line up with regular old goods in terms of import/export balance sheets
Except the students arent outside Australia. The money they are spending was overwhelmingly earned and spent inside Australia. Education is barely and export. The big numbers are a straight up lie from the edumigration industry.
Many countries done this, in Singapore there's a college with 10,000 students but no one show up, because all students are "studying in online class" (no, I'm not talking "Studying at home during Covid") and takes student worldwide.
When the student graduate, they just simply mail your certificate with grade-point paper directly to your home, and you can proudly say that you're "Singaporean Graduate"
What's the name of this college?
@@phanminhchau2002
National University of Singapore: NUS
yes, they also have regular students who studying in their campuses, so this is legit
When is the next video about bricks?
We, the people, demand more brick content!
Like why are many old beautiful brick buildings in such a state of disrepair
Do you mean bricks or brics?
Maybe one of those schools is about making and using bricks.
@@shitpostWJbricks. It’s an old joke related to some of the videos made in previous years, I have a public playlist on my channel with all of them
Yep, I was one of those so-called "College" students in Melbourn on the same street.
Colleges on that street are like 20 and some of them are like 3x in the same building on separate floors. In my class, we were 30+ people if I remember correctly on the first day but later on the number went down to like ~12. We only had to attend only once a week. If you didn't attend, then you just had to catch up yourself by doing the homework they gave us.
Everyone for the most part had found a job, some even had 2 or 3 jobs at the same time just to make ends meet. Kinda bizarre but that's true. In my colleague, most people were from Latin America and Europe.
What also fascinated me were the Universities in Melbourn. There are like a couple of universities -Melbourne Uni, RMIT, Monash etc. that come right out of my head. Good universities with a good background but with a lot of people from India and China. Like 90% of them. Only maybe 3-5 out of 65 students were local residents. Kinda insane. I asked one Indian guy: "How can you afford a uni in Australia?" I asked because the prices there are bizarre. Like 90k$ - 130k$ per year! (Or trough 4 years. Now I'm doubting my self. But either way, the price was steep.) Some are less but more or less the prices ranged around there. The Indian guy answered: "We took a loan out of the bank." I was like, OMFG...you're balls deep brother. I was also surprised the bank gave that much of a loan.😐
And here's the harsh truth. Most of them work 2-3 jobs for like 9 to 10 years just to pay off their debt and without a guarantee of getting a VISA. Sure after ~8 years you can naturalize but the process is complicated. All students are permitted to work only 20 hours a week _OFFICIALY._ I repeat, officially with a student VISA one can work only 20 hours but how can they work in 2-3 jobs you ask? Well, you can assume what the answer might be. But I will hit you, that a lot of places pay you _' under the table.'_ Speaking from my personal experience. The minimum hourly unofficial wage for one place was 15 AUS$/h
Lastly, Melbourn was a one big fat Chinatown when I was there in 2018. If you know additionally Mandarin, and Korean then that can be beneficiary.
15h/AUS$? Like 15 hours for one dollar??? And people take that job up?
Sorry, I made a typo. Meant to say 15 AUS$/h - 15 AUS dollars per hour 😀@@emet0526
From what country in Latin America?
in Germany the minimum wage is already over 20AUD and cost of living in Australia is higher...@@emet0526
Student visas only allow them to work 20 hours/week *during school terms*, during the holidays, they are allowed to work as many hours they can get.
Love how it depicts the students as innocent victims, they know very well how the scheme works and are just trying to skip the immigration queue to for residency in Australia as many prior have done successfully. The recruiters and the students are all from the same country and are just exploiting Australia.
I did one of those colleges when i was in Australia in 2005. I had done the 1-year working holiday and i wanted to stay a bit longer. If I remember correctly, we had to show up twice per week for a few hours and I actually still remember the IATA stuff that we were taught (i took some travel related course). When i went back home for uni, this “ghost college” degree was recognised and i was allowed to do a 3-year program instead of the standard 4. I do think some of these colleges are bad and take complete advantage but they’re not all like that. The better ones do employ quite a number of local instructors. My 2 instructors were native Australians for example so i have mixed feelings about how this whole industry is portrayed in the media.
As an Australian the tuition side is complex because of our HECS system (i.e. gov facilitated load system thats only repaid when you earn above a certain threshold)
During covid my university (QUT) had a big financial hurdle out of the blue due to that loss of income from the international students who pay not only more per course (As the gov covers a big chunk of ours up front as a Commonwealth supported position)
I wondered why my brother's Hecs debt is so low: he always demands cold hard cash working
You said "System" as we all know.. Borken
Yep Iz no spellz goody "borken= broken"
As somebody who did 4yrs of University in Australia, I can confirm that the brand new computers in the libraries were funded mostly by full price paying international students.
I thought this problem was just a UK one. The Sunday Times recently did an investigation (you can watch on UA-cam) of top UK universities giving places to international students with much lower grades than is required from UK students. International students were allowed onto a mathematics degree with a grade of CCD with a C in Maths. And these people didn't apply through UCAS. Instead, they applied directly to the University through their portal onto a course titled "International Year One".
wow! I did applied to a lot of UK universities through UCAS to see how the system worked, and I was admitted to a few. I would never enroll because those prices are mind-blowing.
The UK had the same issue with language schools, the government shutdown on it- but I believe some have kept going.
I read for some of them the standard of English being taught was often worse than the students own language.
As someone who studied and now works at a university in the UK, there was indeed a big government crackdown on sham student Visas. As I understand it Educational institutions in the UK are now required to monitor student attendance and report to the government if any foreign students stop showing up.
My job consists of measuring up office spaces in Melbourne that these ghost colleges lease, because I believe they are required by law to have a physical office. The amount of times I saw students studying in them, I could count them on my hand!
So many folks in Australia aren’t aware of how serious this issue has gotten. Being at uni myself, I've seen so many friends exploited by their employers, landlords, migration agents, etc... For anyone reading this who might be affected, remember Fair Work is a good first port of call. And shoutout to orgs like the Migrant Workers Centre and some unions calling this out, finally.
As a Canadian, this is all sounding very familiar.. Pretty much every time the word "Australia" was used, my brain just replaced it with "Canada"..
And any time the word "India" is used you can expect some sort of exploit being engineered
I used to walk past that building and wonder WTF was going on with so many schools....intl students in those colleges are our uber drivers, service workers and cleaners.
As a local student this was the reason it was almost impossible to get a low skilled hospitality job. This meant the only way to get through university was through Centrelink (Australia’s version of Social Security).
Rather than eating ramen 5 times a week I would have preferred to work and go to school. Glad they closed this loophole.
Just become a Sparky, it's basically like being on the dole except you can blow shit up and steal copper wiring out of the walls on company time, and people still treat you like you're some fuckin genius who's worth the big bucks.
Ye haww soo like a toothless surf hooligaan
If the government was really trying to close this loophole, it would have been done. It's misleading to say they are "cracking down on it" and "really want to fix it" when in reality the problem has only gotten worse over time in many countries.
it’s always a good day when HAI uploads
One really critical aspect here is that the export numbers assume that everyone attending the univeristies are funded by money from outside the country. If you commit Visa fraud, youre in country to work, thus youre not actually bringing any money into the country.
It also assumes all students spend as much money as tourists. Plus's their school fees.
So not only is the money earned in Australia the actual number is much much lower.
I fully expected that to go into a Brilliant ad read, "theres still a way to sign up for a course of study, barely attend and try to get a job later; its called Brilliant -- "
Is there a grant for it? How about a viza
A lot of this problem went away during covid when the international students all went home. There was also a concerted effort by the government to deregister these colleges which is an ongoing process. There is, however, a real need to clean up the way the CRICOS registry operates.
They don't need to deregister the schools they need to restrict the visa.
But they won't because the government love a cheap exploitable underclass to screw down wages and pay higher rents.
@@FekDindad-xy9vz the schools are set up with a specific purpose , to facilitate visa fraud. So the fraudulent schools need to be deregistered so that a visa applicant has nowhere to enrol except for a legitimate institution.
Funny how the end of a lot of menial jobs saw supposed "students" lleave. The schools didnt shut, real students continued to study, but the ones here on what are basically cheap work visas all left.
And then governements did all they could to bring them back. A massive underclass of cheap workers is exactly what they want
I work as a law clerk on Queen street and it’s always funny when I leave the office and see the students from the same building leaving to have lunch. They just occupy an office space like any other small business.
And here I thought it was just going to be a bunch of colleges that did online only, but saying they were from this building was financially beneficial.
My theory is that Incogni is a data broker themselves, hence why they’re so good at removing your personal details from the systems, they broker your data until you pay up
Amy and Sam should visit Australia. There aren't that many spiders gee whizz.
Reptile Park?
That's American currency (or mock currency).. Australian currency is plastic, I believe, to make it more durable and harder to forge.
As a former international student who took their study seriously, this makes me angry. I still to this day have PTSD from exams worried sick I would fail and re pay for additional semester, and some jabroni went on a fake course just like that? Unacceptable.
And here I thought the twist would be that these were colleges for Emus.
I think the Emus all go to military academies. They did win the war, after all.
In Australia:
College - what some high schools call themselves if they want to sound more fancy and can also refer to vocational learning centres more like TAFE.
University- what Americans know as college, bachelor or higher.
School- primary and secondary/high.
3:52 It's like making a second, smaller UA-cam channel with smaller videos that are only half as interesting and the calling it Half as Interesting
it also cause massive property and rental issues, a few years ago they promoted courses to catch the vulnerable with free laptops etc the courses are way more expensive than accredited courses and TAFE colleges.
It blew up in other ways as well. Unfortunatley a few people died across several hospitals as nurses has been given jobs after gaining very dodgy nursing qualifications through some of these colleges. In one case, the nurse couldn't read English well enough to read the instructions on a bottle of medicine and gave the person the wrong thing, which led to said persons death. ☹I also attended one of Australia's better known universities as a mature age student. I encountered many foreign students that could barely speak English and would sit silently in tutorials. They couldn't read the study material, and I sat next to a guy in an exam who was caught cheating after writing answers on his arm and wearing a long jacket. I should be grateful in a way, as next these guys I looked like a freaken genius and it definately helped me look better when engaging with the lecturers.
All Australian universities are diploma/PR mills. The only qualification to graduate is money, you have it, you get a degree. Even if you don't speak English.
I was an international student in Australia from 2015-20. I never worked, never did anything but studies I got my PhD in Electronics Engineering on 2020. Now 4 years on thanks to such institutions I never found any full time role, never got my Permanent residency, all I managed was a part time teaching role in an actual university with students and I also work as a Uber driver in Australia too. Thanks to these ghost colleges lives of deserving people like me who are actual students are ruined.
Why is that? In which way do these fake unis affect you getting a job with a phd in engineering? That makes no sense.
@@agme8045 there are too many people in the job market. It just increases the competition for actual roles with fake University students who often come for masters try to get a job with their bachelors degree which is real one. So it saturates the market, increases competition for everyone. PhD is just a sign of technical expertise but not enough to get a job full time especially in Australia where the industry is limited so far applied to over 10,000 jobs all to be rejected after my PhD. I now tend to believe that finding signs of an extra terrestrial life is easier than getting a full time role in Australia.
Another thing about Australia is there’s an unspoken rule between companies that they won’t hire people who hold a visa and they only hire people who have permanent residency in the last 4 years I have known a lot of my friends who came with a permanent residency and they straight away got hired while me being a visa holder is just struggling to pay my bills
If you’re an engineer in Australia without a job then you must not want one. Engineering is the hottest job right now. I know engineers who get at least one job offer a week, and another who was poached by a company in Europe.
@@lowend5566 that must be a fairy tale or maybe an Australian citizen or a permanent resident atleast I am an Engineer living in Australia and I am actively searching for one since 2020 and have the list of names of companies and the dates I applied to ever since I graduated. For me its like a myth to be hired after a university degree. My personal life including my relationship fell through because of Australia's cursed job market for Engineers on a visa
@@FlyingExplorer2022 Well I'm sorry to hear about that and I wish you better luck in your search. In my experience engineers have done well in the current environment. My son's cohort graduated in 2021/2. In his friend group there is two mechanical engineers, two chemicals, one software and one mechatronic. The mechatronic has been poached from the job he got on graduation by a company in Belgium. One mechanical was employed full time from graduation first by a startup then by a major medical devices company, the other mech went straight from uni to Cochlear. The two chemicals have been in a variety of startups and established firms, and the software guy has swapped jobs and is now at Canva. All say that they get constant approaches on LinkedIn. The thing is they all did standard undergrad degrees and went straight to work, none did higher degrees (though one mech did her Phd in the UK while working full time). They all started at entry level jobs but at what I would call excellent salaries. So my experience differs.
On the visa holder rather than resident issue. I personally know one Indian woman visa holder (not permanent resident) who was employed out of MQ before graduation from her business studies course. She is, however, an exceptional young woman.
Thank you for uploading an Australian video at 1:58 am 😊😊😊
Haaa
MAYBE THERES A JOB IN THAT B ROLL
Or better money
Man the moment he mentioned 190 Queen St it hit home, I remembered walking passed them in the CBD seeing a bunch of “school” inside thinking to myself “wtf are these kind of school, they got a tiny arse campus, no facilities, quite expensive in term of tuition, who would enrolled here beside illegal immigrants with student visa”
i should go there since i'm going to the cbd tomorrow (well today it's it's 12:35)... Like I live in the city I can do that lmao
It seems odd that this is still going on in Aus. In the UK we had this kind of scandal around 5-6 years ago. We had a similar system allowing international students to come and 'study' - no questions asked. But a lot of them had been ripped off - or perhaps knew what they were getting into? - and had signed up for bogus colleges. I'd have thought that was a red flag for these other countries selling English language courses.
It’s been going on over 20 years in Australia. I don’t know why we are so bad at shutting them down.
ex international student here. Believe me, you are just staring at the tip of the iceberg, this is a rabbit hole you wont believe ....
Could you share further details?
There’s a international college across the road from my work (also Melbourne) and for a while there there was a homeless guy sleeping in the doorway. After a news report about this came out they stuck a sign on the door saying they moved.
Wow, this video really opened my eyes to the issue of private colleges in Australia. It's crazy how many students are being taken advantage of.
It’s the students scamming the Sysytem you git. They’re only interested in cheating their way into Australia
Did you even watch the video? The students are in on the scam
If these students were actually smart enough to get into proper university, then how can you even say they are being taken advantage of???
They are IN ON THE SCAM! They have no intention of getting a proper tertiary education. They are just trying to find a shortcut to immigrating. I live next-door to such a building that is full of these colleges, and I can assure you that they are not the sharpest knives in the drawer and will add absolutely no value in the future.
They know what they are signing up for. International "students" are not some innocent idiots with no capacity to figure things out. Their goal was always to immigrate to Australia and paying for fake college is one easy method to do that.
Missed having room 324 Cathedral of Learning show up at the @3:24 mark. Shows up less than 10 seconds later. I've had to teach in that room at University of Pittsburgh a few too many times.
yeah, our universities make a lot of money by offering courses to people overseas, getting them to come to the country and then making a ton off the fact that they are rich
I remember when I went to university in Australia I ended up needing to drop out due to other reasons but the hilarious thing was they said they couldn't unenroll me for another 4 weeks because they still needed to enrol all the international students we were 4 weeks into the year.
Back when I was a service tech for business equipment in the late 80s, I did a repair job at one of the "colleges" mentioned in this video, & there were literally no "students" there, just a few staffers. They are real, & they are absolutely an immigration scam. This particular "college" did hospitality courses - teaching people how to pull a beer or wait tables; things any average person can easily learn in a day or two at a workplace.
I thought this was a different Scheme. Some services offer student discounts and I thought they take a small fee, you are officially a student and you don't need to do student stuff but you get the juicy student discounts and most sites aren't aware of it.
This is why Australia imports 500k Uber Drivers annually. It's great for pricing people out of houses and pushing rents up
Sometimes the sarcasm is overwhelming on this channel, at the expense of its educational potential and pacing.
Yeah I looked up how much masters cost in Australia, read the tuition fees for international students at a university offering an interesting masters course and laughed hard, especially since my country* doesn't charge very much to international students and for the most part in terms of fees treats them like national students. (usually not more than 600 Euros per year* however they need to have 10k Euros deposited on a locked account)
(*well in the most part of my country at least)
So yeah its not surprising that education is at rank 4 and makes more money than gold.
Where is this?
3:36 I was not expecting to see a lecture hall from my own school in the background of an HAI video, I’ve had bio lectures in there 😳
Those spiders are fantastic classmates, they offer some very insightful opinions
Just remember a college does not mean the same in australia. You cannot get a degree without going to a university here. A tafe or rto can do vocational training.
well that's obvious to me. (an aussie that hasn't left the country for more than a month at a time)
My understanding was it was a way for people to come to Australia to work because it's much easier to get a student visa than a working visa.
I believe you are correct that's because we make so much money from international students
@@jamesmattila-hine1133 i mean to say, the students arent being scammed - they're in on it. They want to work, not study.
@ThesaurusToblerone no I understand they just don't really care because the amount of money they make out of international students. And because of that they want to make it easy
I guarantee this will be first story on ACA next week and they'll rip it word for word
If you look at the huge increase in UK education visas, I suspect something similar is happening there. In addition to foreign students having to pay much higher fees, so more profitable, than the locals.
There is another thing to go against International students in Australia. Many rental properties expect you to pay for a full year up front as a bond
I've been to that escape room. It was really good, I enjoyed myself.
Ghost College would be a great theme for an escape room.
Yeah Canada is very similar I live in Brampton, Ontario. It might be interested to look at the international student issue
I wanted to study at an public Australian University. Got in, but a little out of my price range, $40K total for the university, I already had housing as my sister lives there and would hook me up with a part-time job. However I couldn't find a single lender for a student loan as an International student. It was not part of the foreign US student loan program, I found out quickly if a University is not in that system there is no lender that going to loan the money because they want to be backed by the government.
Given that in Australia, Universities are called Universities. A college is EITHER the name of a particular residential hall on or off campus, or the name given to a Secondary School! We don’t use the words that USA uses for tertiary education. (School is not university, it is School ie primary or secondary, or a specific part of an academic faculty with a specific research interest) Sadly many potential international students do not undertake ‘due diligence’ to make sure they understand the system.
The students know exactly what they're doing. They are buying a low skilled work visa.
I can assure you, as an Australian the mainstream parties won't do a thing to change things
During COVID, alot of the international students were trapped in Australia with no government support and no way to support themselves with work. It was an awful situation.
I live in Melbourne and I had NO idea about this until this very video.
genuinely is a good escape room company. they operate here in the uk and its quite fun
I think what isn't mentioned is a lot of international students aren't exploited by these ghost colleges, a large number of them understand its a sham degree and still enrol because the work opportunities in Australia vastly offset the fake college fees. There is simply a perception in a number of primarily south and south east asian countries that getting to Australia by any means necessary will make you rich, and so there is massive profit for businesses who can exploit immigration loopholes to facilitate that.
the UK has this problem and it is EXTREME - we must crack down
5:50 I thought he was going to start a Brilliant AD lol.
Get a qualification in your home country that Australia actually has vacancies in like nursing, mechanic, maybe civil engineering (not other engineering, I am an Electrical/Electronic Honors Eng. myself it is very tough to find work, I work as a high end tech) - you will need to do a 6 months-1 year bridging course.
Also we do very little research here and do not care about masters or PHD.
Watched this video upside down for a more authentic experience
Colleges are just escape rooms that last for 4 or more years where you have to solve puzzles of different subjects
In other words dink hard in room one a pass out in bed cool beans
Those ghost buildings too. I've worked next door to these building and traffic in and out is just staff of the other companies in the same building.
The rule of unintended consequences... I can't think of a single government law/regulation/program that doesn't suffer from that.
Disappointed this wasn’t sponsored by skillshare
Missed Opportunity for brilliant as a Sponsor here
The govt has to crack down on these colleges. Theyre only called colleges because they really mean nothing in Australia in terms of actual education. Theyre training centres for some kind of vocation. A collage is something between high school and university - they offer diplomas and are all private, and usually cost a fortune. The only ppl who enroll in these are those in some kind of industry who need some academic component to their qualification, like a trade or hospitality or care workers of some kind. College here is not like College in the US.
These parents are amazing. They know school is boring and pointless, that tests and worksheets are dull and don't do anything good. But they need a transition into College/GED as that will be like the school system.