John, I used to own a Tiger 800Xcx and may I suggest that the chain adjuster bolts are replaced by stainless steel items as the OEM ones corrode easily and can seize the whole assembly up. This is a common upgrade in the UK by Tiger owners.
Hi John, great video. I am a new subscriber so you may have already covered this. What is the name brand of your wheel balancer? I am looking to buy one and I'm not sure which one to get for my Suzuki V-Strom 650. Thanks.
sorry I missed your comment sir, I went one more tooth on the front sprocket and two less on the rear sprocket. Thanks for watching and keep safe... :)
I went from a 16 tooth to a 17 tooth sprocket on the front and from a 50 tooth to a 47 tooth sprocket on the rear in that video. I dropped about 500 rpm at highway speeds with that change. Later on I went back down to the 16 tooth front sprocket and kept the 47 tooth rear sprocket which gave me only about a 250 rpm reduction in rpm on the highway but helped out with a bit lower 1st. gear rpm when riding trails in the woods.... thanks for watching... keep safe out there... :)
Hi jonh i did the sprocket change when you did yours on the versys .i dont know what i did but now every 50 miles or so my dash lites start flashing code 25 which is gear indicator i do the usual rest routine and it gose back to normal for awhile any ideas? Thank you.. nice tiger
Hey there David, I have been reading about this issue on serveral forums. It appears to be affecting several of the kawasaki models from 2017 on. I havent seen anything posted on pre 2017 models but I cant say for sure. The issue seems to be that the software is comparing rear wheel speed from the ABS wheel speed sensor to RPM and the gear that is selected. When the final drive ratio is change too much the info from the three parameters fall out of expected range and the ECU sets a code 25. Some people report getting both code 24 and 25 being displayed. My bike did not have a gear position sensor that reported gear selection to the ECU it only had a neutral switch. I believe on the Versys that gear position was added on the 2017 and up models. That may explain why I did not encounter this issue. It appears that some people have reduced the amount of ratio change and gotten rid of the issue. ie reducing the rear sprocket by only 1 tooth or using the stock sprocket on the rear. The fix would be a re-flash on the ECU that changed the final ratio parameters but it looks like Kawasaki does not offer that from what I am seeing. Hope this helps, you might find more info on some different forums..... Thanks sir.....
I really love your vdo.I will recieve Tiger 800 the second hand with in this week so could you please tell me on 2:34 in your vdo.What the size of the block that you use to remove Nut's protect front sprockets. Thank you
Good to hear from you sir. Congratulations on the new ride.. you picked a good one there. I believe that front sprocket nut takes a 37mm or 1 7/16 inch socket. Good luck and keep safe out there sir... :)
Hey Craig, I only had a few hundred miles on the bike when I geared it up so I really can't say for sure but I suspect it probably would help a little bit. I would not expect a big difference however.... Thanks sir.....:)
Hello there sir, on the Tiger 800 the ECU calculates speed via the ABS wheel speed sensor on the back wheel so changing the sprockets does not affect the speedometer. My speedometer read 5 miles an hour faster than the actual speed I was traveling before the sprocket change and after the sprocket change it still reads 5 miles per hour fast. The RPM the engine is turning at a given speed will drop after the sprocket change. I hope this helps out. Thanks for watching and keep safe out there.. :)
@@ozarksbackroads5484 - thanks for the information. Have you left the sprockets on or gone back to the originals? By the way, I tried the bigger Givi screen and thought it was a disaster! It did not improve wind buffeting around the sides of the screen and the screen shook so much in the wind that I was scared that the wind would rip it off! I’m still looking for a way to improve wind turbulence - I ride with a Shark flip-chin guard helmet and really notice wind buffeting over my BMW Adventure. I saw your conversion with the XJR screen with interest, but there must be a better way. PS, I’m in the UK by the way!
@@bryanduncan1640 Yes I am still using the 17/47 sprocket combo. It is very good for highway travel. Good luck with your search for a better windshield solution... I also have a Give touring windshield I would sell Cheap... :)
Did you go up one tooth in front and down one tooth in the rear. I have a different bike (Z1000) that is geared really low and revs on the highway. I don't need maximum acceleration as the bike has plenty of power.
Hello sir, I went 1 tooth more on the front sprocket and 2 less on the rear sprocket on this bike. Droped my rpm on the highway by about 350 rpm. Thanks sir... :)
@@ozarksbackroads5484 Thanks. That explains why you had a little more chain to deal with than you did with your Versys. Has it proven to be worthwhile or do you regret the change when you are off road? It really seems like they could have given you a little more spread with the ratios in the transmission even if it was just a slightly higher top gear for the highway.
Hello there, if you want a lower first gear you would need to go to one less tooth on the front sprocket or increase the number of teeth on the rear sprocket or you could do both. You will increase the RPM on the engine at a given speed however. Thanks sir.... :)
I have replaced the front sprocket with a 17 tooth and the data reflects a lower rpm. See the following link www.triumphtalk.com/threads/sprocket-change-for-highway.51922/page-2 I might be interested in doing the rear sprocket as well, but I would like see see the rpm data. Do you by chance have that information? Also, how does the bike, after having changed both sprockets, respond to lower speed in town riding, like u-turns and slow riding on or off pavement? Thanks
Hello there, unfortunately changing the final drive sprockets on the Tiger will not change the displayed speed. The ECU uses pulses from the anti-lock wheel speed sensor to calculate speed and the ECU calculates the speed at around 5 mph fast. The only way to correct the speedometer would be to run a larger diameter rear tire. There are not tire sizing options that will fit the rear rim on the Tiger that could be used to correct the speedometer. I just have to remember that my displayed speed if 5 mph fast. Good question sir... Thanks... :)
I own a 2017 XCa, the speedo has been 5 mph off @ 60 (shows 65 at 60) from day one. Found out by the radar signs on the side of the roads. Just remember and compensate.
I love this. You explained everything very well.
Well done sir. Thank you for VERBALLY listing all the torque settings you used.
Thanks for watching sir... keep safe... :)
Thank you so much. I've used your video for two chain and sprocket changes so far. The torque settings are a life saver.
Good to hear from you sir, glad you liked the video.. good luck with all your projects and thanks for watching... :)
Thanks very much. Good video quality and clear explanation. Cheers from Toronto!
thanks sir... :)
I like the new Tiger ride! Boy you make working on these bikes look easy!
thanks sir.... :)
Nice explanation of a quality of life improvement. 👌👌
thanks for watching sir and keep safe out there... :)
John, I used to own a Tiger 800Xcx and may I suggest that the chain adjuster bolts are replaced by stainless steel items as the OEM ones corrode easily and can seize the whole assembly up. This is a common upgrade in the UK by Tiger owners.
That makes sense to me..... Thanks sir.... :)
I’d still use a small dab of copper grease on them too because the galvanic interaction still causes corrosion to the aluminium.
Awesome video. Thanks for sharing.
thanks sir.... :)
Another good video! Ride Safe!
Thanks..... :)
Hi John, great video. I am a new subscriber so you may have already covered this. What is the name brand of your wheel balancer? I am looking to buy one and I'm not sure which one to get for my Suzuki V-Strom 650. Thanks.
Glad it dropped the RPM for you, less whining & better on fuel. Win win 😀
Well Done Forrest..
Thanks for watching sir.. :)
Hi John, I want to do the same to my Tiger 660. What sprockets sizes to you recommend.
The program was very good. Just one thing left out what size how many teeth on original to how many teeth change for.
sorry I missed your comment sir, I went one more tooth on the front sprocket and two less on the rear sprocket. Thanks for watching and keep safe... :)
What was the change in sprockets? I have a tiger 800.
Thank you. Great video.
I went from a 16 tooth to a 17 tooth sprocket on the front and from a 50 tooth to a 47 tooth sprocket on the rear in that video. I dropped about 500 rpm at highway speeds with that change. Later on I went back down to the 16 tooth front sprocket and kept the 47 tooth rear sprocket which gave me only about a 250 rpm reduction in rpm on the highway but helped out with a bit lower 1st. gear rpm when riding trails in the woods.... thanks for watching... keep safe out there... :)
Hi jonh i did the sprocket change when you did yours on the versys .i dont know what i did but now every 50 miles or so my dash lites start flashing code 25 which is gear indicator i do the usual rest routine and it gose back to normal for awhile any ideas? Thank you.. nice tiger
Hey there David, I have been reading about this issue on serveral forums. It appears to be affecting several of the kawasaki models from 2017 on. I havent seen anything posted on pre 2017 models but I cant say for sure. The issue seems to be that the software is comparing rear wheel speed from the ABS wheel speed sensor to RPM and the gear that is selected. When the final drive ratio is change too much the info from the three parameters fall out of expected range and the ECU sets a code 25. Some people report getting both code 24 and 25 being displayed. My bike did not have a gear position sensor that reported gear selection to the ECU it only had a neutral switch. I believe on the Versys that gear position was added on the 2017 and up models. That may explain why I did not encounter this issue. It appears that some people have reduced the amount of ratio change and gotten rid of the issue. ie reducing the rear sprocket by only 1 tooth or using the stock sprocket on the rear. The fix would be a re-flash on the ECU that changed the final ratio parameters but it looks like Kawasaki does not offer that from what I am seeing. Hope this helps, you might find more info on some different forums..... Thanks sir.....
I really love your vdo.I will recieve Tiger 800 the second hand with in this week so could you please tell me on 2:34 in your vdo.What the size of the block that you use to remove Nut's protect front sprockets.
Thank you
Good to hear from you sir. Congratulations on the new ride.. you picked a good one there. I believe that front sprocket nut takes a 37mm or 1 7/16 inch socket. Good luck and keep safe out there sir... :)
@@ozarksbackroads5484 Thank you...^^
Hi, did you notice if there is an improvement in fuel consumption after this mod? Thanks.
Hey Craig, I only had a few hundred miles on the bike when I geared it up so I really can't say for sure but I suspect it probably would help a little bit. I would not expect a big difference however.... Thanks sir.....:)
Interested in your sprocket change. How did it affect the speedometer reading- v-actual speed?
Hello there sir, on the Tiger 800 the ECU calculates speed via the ABS wheel speed sensor on the back wheel so changing the sprockets does not affect the speedometer. My speedometer read 5 miles an hour faster than the actual speed I was traveling before the sprocket change and after the sprocket change it still reads 5 miles per hour fast. The RPM the engine is turning at a given speed will drop after the sprocket change. I hope this helps out. Thanks for watching and keep safe out there.. :)
@@ozarksbackroads5484 - thanks for the information. Have you left the sprockets on or gone back to the originals? By the way, I tried the bigger Givi screen and thought it was a disaster! It did not improve wind buffeting around the sides of the screen and the screen shook so much in the wind that I was scared that the wind would rip it off! I’m still looking for a way to improve wind turbulence - I ride with a Shark flip-chin guard helmet and really notice wind buffeting over my BMW Adventure. I saw your conversion with the XJR screen with interest, but there must be a better way. PS, I’m in the UK by the way!
@@bryanduncan1640 Yes I am still using the 17/47 sprocket combo. It is very good for highway travel. Good luck with your search for a better windshield solution... I also have a Give touring windshield I would sell Cheap... :)
Did you go up one tooth in front and down one tooth in the rear. I have a different bike (Z1000) that is geared really low and revs on the highway. I don't need maximum acceleration as the bike has plenty of power.
Hello sir, I went 1 tooth more on the front sprocket and 2 less on the rear sprocket on this bike. Droped my rpm on the highway by about 350 rpm. Thanks sir... :)
@@ozarksbackroads5484 Thanks. That explains why you had a little more chain to deal with than you did with your Versys. Has it proven to be worthwhile or do you regret the change when you are off road? It really seems like they could have given you a little more spread with the ratios in the transmission even if it was just a slightly higher top gear for the highway.
@@alanhassall It was totally the right move, off road is still very good..... :)
Can I do this upgrade to my 2015 xcx 800? How can I shorten 1st gear?
Hello there, if you want a lower first gear you would need to go to one less tooth on the front sprocket or increase the number of teeth on the rear sprocket or you could do both. You will increase the RPM on the engine at a given speed however. Thanks sir.... :)
I have replaced the front sprocket with a 17 tooth and the data reflects a lower rpm. See the following link
www.triumphtalk.com/threads/sprocket-change-for-highway.51922/page-2
I might be interested in doing the rear sprocket as well, but I would like see see the rpm data. Do you by chance have that information? Also, how does the bike, after having changed both sprockets, respond to lower speed in town riding, like u-turns and slow riding on or off pavement?
Thanks
can you do anything about the speedo being wrong? or was it just the gps may be off?
Hello there, unfortunately changing the final drive sprockets on the Tiger will not change the displayed speed. The ECU uses pulses from the anti-lock wheel speed sensor to calculate speed and the ECU calculates the speed at around 5 mph fast. The only way to correct the speedometer would be to run a larger diameter rear tire. There are not tire sizing options that will fit the rear rim on the Tiger that could be used to correct the speedometer. I just have to remember that my displayed speed if 5 mph fast. Good question sir... Thanks... :)
@@ozarksbackroads5484 thanks for explaining! I just bought a 2019 tiger 800xcx and wanted to upgrade the sprockets so this is great information.
I own a 2017 XCa, the speedo has been 5 mph off @ 60 (shows 65 at 60) from day one. Found out by the radar signs on the side of the roads. Just remember and compensate.
How am I the second one? I hit that thing so fast. Even my head is still spinning.
..... :)
Hi, How many teeth the rear srocket?
I have 17 teeth on the front and 47 on the rear.... Thanks sir..... :)
You state that you dropped the rear sprocket by 2 making it a 47. The original sprocket is a 50. Doesn’t that mean you lessened the rear by 3?
indeed it does... :)
Should have stated the teeth changes in the video
Those pesky worshers
That was the easiest I've ever seen a front sprocket come off....
everything is easy on video..... :)