Yes! Agree 100% on the green. For awhile there I think the general consensus was the blow away all the green.. and as you say we get left with a bi-color image. I like to think green is making a comeback! I always leave a little green in my Hubble palette images. Ive been using scnr with a lighter touch.. and often some green comes back while boosting saturation. I use a lot of different range masks.. your method looks more efficient with the extracted CIE L mask.. I'll have to try that. I also liked how you used the HUE setting in curves.. that's something I've not played with much.. I usually end up using PS if I want to change the Hues.. so that's something else I need to try. It's cool to see how we end up with similar results yet take slightly different paths to get there. I've got a number of walk-throughs on my channel if you're interested :)
Excellent new way to color calibrate, will try it out asap, since I am curious about the different results! Thank you for all the informations Cuiv, I love your videos!!
Very nice! I will try this method on my next SHO NB image the Tadpoles this week. I can't thank you enough for this tutorial. Keep them coming. Thanks!
And now I will be updating my image processing workflow once again. Thank you Cuiv, I can’t wait to try this! Please keep these thought provoking videos coming.
Once again, you astonish me Cuiv. Having struggled with the Hubble palate on some objects, this will be a real innovator for me. I feel my confidence growing 🙂 Thanks
Wow showing the dark magic. You are soooo much better at this than me. I have never used Pixinsight but I can see the power of it now. I use GIMP and I just started to use HSO rather than SHO to keep the green under control.
I do a similar workflow in photoshop! I use starnet on all channels separately, and also cut Ha waaay back to blend so that it's not overwhelmingly green. And then luminance of course. Well done sir, I LOVE the results!
That's a pretty slick way of doing the channel combination, and one I hadn't thought of using. Now I'm going to have to play around with it... good thing it's cloudy LOL
This is a neat process. I've been using the Lefty's Astrophotography method for a while now and I really like the result. It gives a nice three color look starting from gold, transitioning into green and then blue.
Very good! Love it! I also use the same colors. Intersting process. I usually move to Photoshop or Lightroom to manipulate the colors because I find it easier. Thanks for sharing 👍
Excellent tutorial Cuiv, thank you so much for doing this… I too don’t like any Hubble Palette I’ve done so far and this is, hopefully, going to be a game-changer 👍🏻 ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Thanks Cuiv! Motivates me to re-process some SHOs which didn't work for me so far. If one would collect all different SHO workflows ... would probably fill a book ... great video - as usual!
Great video. I also always hated that the SCNR took away all the green, so I always reduced the green it took, but I like your way better in the LRGB combined process
I am glad you have finally been able to get some good colors out of the SHO pallet. It is a very powerful way of seeing what is going on in a nebula and that is why NASA uses it. Blue areas are the warmer more active areas that are expanding the fastest while red is not moving as fast and less active. That said, main that looks like a lot of work. It's far faster to use channel mixer in photoshop as all of those things can be done in just a few clicks. Just wish photoshop was not so abominably expensive and cloud based. Development on PS has really slowed down and adobe has become downright lazy since going cloud based. Perhaps Pixinsite can someday do this better than PS can.
I’m pretty new to Pixinsight so videos like these are very helpful. Coincidently I was processing the Wizard nebula in Hubble Palette today. Went vey green, then I did scnr and it looked pretty much blue and grey. Not a happy man. I’ll try your method tomorrow. I know you’ve done a video on Dark’s ezProcessing suite already but more on using that would also be great. Popping out now to take more test images with my Hyperstar on my Edge 8. Still getting comet like tails on stars on the left side of my images. Think it’s a tilt issue. Glad you’re having better luck with your setup. I’ve battled with mine for several seasons and still not happy with it. Still it’s full moon so nothing else to do!
Hi. Great video. Could you tell me what processing you did to get to the original monochrome images that you used in the demonstration (e.g. background extraction)? Thanks!
Very informative, Cuiv! Re: bloated stars, can you explain why you removed the stars via StarNet instead of using morphological transformation for the OIII channel? Also, would be great to have a video about how to assess which filter combinations are a good bet for a target, e.g. SHO vs. HOO vs. HaLRGB etc. but also factoring in LP/Bortle. I see similar questions in some of the other comments here. Merci, dude!
Great Processing and thanks for sharing. Question? Did you do any noise reduction or anything of that nature to the separate Ha, Oiii, Sii images prior to the soft streach?
I have struggled with the Hubble palette.. partly because I struggle with the oxygen and Sii layers. I'm considering going for 3nm filters in the hopes to get better data to work with. (currently working with Optolong 6.5nm filters).. But, not sure if that I actually going to fix the struggles. pretty much on all my SHO layers, the oxygen isn't really there or isn't powerful enough to overpower the hydrogen layers. So the final images are always lacking a lot of blue..
Unless I missed something, you removed the stars separately and created different star masks for each filter, Ha, Sii, and Oiii. Which star mask did you use to reapply the stars?
Great video Cuiv, I will definitely try this today, I only do OSC but I split the channels and recombine so it may work. Also, I finally remembered to use your affiliate link, I purchased a new telescope, Explore Scientific 127mm Air-Spaced ED APO f/7.5 Triplet. I think this will feed my hunger for aperture for a while.
Yeah, I know. Especially here in Vancouver (Raincouver), every minute under clear sky is like a miracle :) Anyway, great job Cuiv, love your production. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
You seem to be pretty well versed in Pixinsight. Feel like doing any tutorials? I'm getting better at Pixinsight, but you know so much more than I do. I try to catch as many tricks as I can during the video. But I'd really like to get a little bit more in depth on some subjects. Really appreciate all that you do! ;o)
I've never done such a combination, but of course technically possible. Just there is no set method for that... With the method in the video there are no magenta stars - and I tried with lower SCNR amounts, it still doesn't give me the result that I want...
I like this a lot. My data did not come out of LRGB combination nearly as bright and vibrant as yours. I still like my results but had to do a lot more in saturation. Did you do anything to the S H O files other than stack drizzling before the combination? Like DBE or other background processing?
@@CuivTheLazyGeek maybe my gain is too low? Or my 5 minute subs with 3nm Oiii and Sii filters is too short? I get lots of Ha signal at 5nm. How do I check this?
Ohhh maaaaan, I am doing this for two minutes, playing with the Selective color tool in PS ... removing the green is the stupidest thing guys do in PI. If the color is there, it is there for a reason.
Thanks for all your posts. I have learned so much from your channel Cuiv. I have struggled a lot with this issue and found your approach interesting and it works fairly well. The approach I have been using, which you may have already seen, takes advantage of a Pixelmath method devised by James Lamb. I have to say it has totally changed the final colours of my Hubble palette images for the better. If you haven’t already seen it, I’d be interested to hear what you think about it. ua-cam.com/video/YGMRn-fMVV8/v-deo.html
@@CuivTheLazyGeek Ton bel accent t'a trahi. Sacré parcours de vie, Astram UA-camr expatrié à Tokyo... Chouettes vidéos en tout cas, ça change des contenus astro habituels..
Great stuff Cuiv! :-) very nice and quick method outlined, I'm sure this will help a lot of folk!
Clear skies man!
Thank you Luke! And of course at the end Color masks can be used with it as your showed in your video!
@@CuivTheLazyGeek For sure haha! :-D Thank you!
Yes! Agree 100% on the green. For awhile there I think the general consensus was the blow away all the green.. and as you say we get left with a bi-color image. I like to think green is making a comeback!
I always leave a little green in my Hubble palette images. Ive been using scnr with a lighter touch.. and often some green comes back while boosting saturation. I use a lot of different range masks.. your method looks more efficient with the extracted CIE L mask.. I'll have to try that. I also liked how you used the HUE setting in curves.. that's something I've not played with much.. I usually end up using PS if I want to change the Hues.. so that's something else I need to try.
It's cool to see how we end up with similar results yet take slightly different paths to get there. I've got a number of walk-throughs on my channel if you're interested :)
Excellent new way to color calibrate, will try it out asap, since I am curious about the different results! Thank you for all the informations Cuiv, I love your videos!!
Great tutorial. I recently switched to mono setup and struggling with Hubble pallet. I am glad I am not the only one.
Very nice! I will try this method on my next SHO NB image the Tadpoles this week. I can't thank you enough for this tutorial. Keep them coming. Thanks!
And now I will be updating my image processing workflow once again. Thank you Cuiv, I can’t wait to try this! Please keep these thought provoking videos coming.
Thank you so much this was great. The colour combinations and wacky stars make narrowband a bit tricky! These are great tips
Once again, you astonish me Cuiv. Having struggled with the Hubble palate on some objects, this will be a real innovator for me. I feel my confidence growing 🙂 Thanks
Thanks for a great video, it had the highest signal to noise of any Pixinsight tutorial; crammed with excellent techniques and no filler.
Thank you Ian!
Some really beautiful colors! Any suggestions of Pixinsight tutorials for beginners? Of course you can include yours as well 🙂
Thanks very much for this great lesson. You never cease to amaze us with your skills and new ideas.
Thx for sharing this excellent, streamlined HSHO workflow, which worked perfectly for my C 14 Hyperstar data of the Heart Nebula.
Wow showing the dark magic. You are soooo much better at this than me. I have never used Pixinsight but I can see the power of it now. I use GIMP and I just started to use HSO rather than SHO to keep the green under control.
Great video, Quive. Nicely explained, I was able to play with your data in APP. The PC had some trouble with it, time for an upgrade, I think.
Amazing work, your videos are really sucking me into this hobby. Not sure if I should thank you 😂😂😂. Great work
You can thank me and curse me in the same breath :p
Thanks!
Oh wow, thank you so much for your support!
Hey Cuiv I'm just about to process SHO data I have on this target. Perfect timing! Very much appreciated
This video is very timely for me as I am currently gathering narrowband data on the Pacman Nebula as we text. Thanks!
Excellent, glad this is helpful! Good luck!
I do a similar workflow in photoshop! I use starnet on all channels separately, and also cut Ha waaay back to blend so that it's not overwhelmingly green. And then luminance of course. Well done sir, I LOVE the results!
So nice to see what can be done with just the color balance and what a difference it makes!
Thanks Cuiv! You are the best I have learned a lot from you videos. Pls keep going and sharimg your experience. Nina Belgium
Great video. Plenty of tips that I didnt know. Thanks Cuiv,
Fantastic quick walk through. Thank you!
That's a pretty slick way of doing the channel combination, and one I hadn't thought of using. Now I'm going to have to play around with it... good thing it's cloudy LOL
Fantastic work Cuiv !
Great work as always Cuiv. I love your channel and I'm a full-blown NINA convert because of your tutorials.
Thanks Greg, glad to have converted you!
Thanks so much Cuiv and very nice image, congratulations!
This is a neat process. I've been using the Lefty's Astrophotography method for a while now and I really like the result. It gives a nice three color look starting from gold, transitioning into green and then blue.
Thanks, I will see if I can get this to work for me. Looks like a great process. Love the results!
Thanks for this great lesson. You never cease to amaze us with your great skills and new ideas.
cool! Thanks! Actualy i think that the separate starnet on images is the real tip!
Very good! Love it! I also use the same colors. Intersting process. I usually move to Photoshop or Lightroom to manipulate the colors because I find it easier. Thanks for sharing 👍
Beaitiful image, the detail is wonderful.
Wow!!! I love it!.. a 3D 🌹et.. Beautiful details..
Thanks Cuiv. I am with you on how much SHO can be a pain. I will give this a try later as I am doing some NB editing on the California Nebula.
Great breakdown into simple terms. Lovely results. Thank you.
Excellent tutorial Cuiv! I’m always looking for processing tips tweaks in Pixinsight and I like this one a lot 👍. Going to try it asap.
Excellent tutorial Cuiv, thank you so much for doing this… I too don’t like any Hubble Palette I’ve done so far and this is, hopefully, going to be a game-changer 👍🏻 ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Thanks Cuiv! Motivates me to re-process some SHOs which didn't work for me so far. If one would collect all different SHO workflows ... would probably fill a book ... great video - as usual!
Someone should write that book! :)
Great video. I also always hated that the SCNR took away all the green, so I always reduced the green it took, but I like your way better in the LRGB combined process
This is Interesting! Thanks for sharing! love your tips
Just processed my California Nebula using your advice… happy days 😀👍🏻
Awesome!
@@CuivTheLazyGeek best thing is the effect on the, minuscule, amount of Oiii data in NGC 1499. 👍🏻
try this,it gives nice stars too. S2 in red S2+O3 in green O3 in blue and Ha as luminance.
Excellent job Cuiv, so when are you coming out to Texas so you can teach me all I need to know about Pixinsight? So much to learn..
Hahaha I'll let you know next time I'm in Texas! Last time was in 2017 :-)
@@CuivTheLazyGeek Excellent and not too long ago then, hahaha. Cheers mate.
Thanks Cuiv. Very nice and clear explanations as always.
Thank you!
I am glad you have finally been able to get some good colors out of the SHO pallet. It is a very powerful way of seeing what is going on in a nebula and that is why NASA uses it. Blue areas are the warmer more active areas that are expanding the fastest while red is not moving as fast and less active.
That said, main that looks like a lot of work. It's far faster to use channel mixer in photoshop as all of those things can be done in just a few clicks. Just wish photoshop was not so abominably expensive and cloud based. Development on PS has really slowed down and adobe has become downright lazy since going cloud based. Perhaps Pixinsite can someday do this better than PS can.
I think a lot of people use color masks to replicate that in Photoshop, but I've never been a big fan of that approach... Maybe I should try in PS...
I’m pretty new to Pixinsight so videos like these are very helpful. Coincidently I was processing the Wizard nebula in Hubble Palette today. Went vey green, then I did scnr and it looked pretty much blue and grey. Not a happy man. I’ll try your method tomorrow. I know you’ve done a video on Dark’s ezProcessing suite already but more on using that would also be great. Popping out now to take more test images with my Hyperstar on my Edge 8. Still getting comet like tails on stars on the left side of my images. Think it’s a tilt issue. Glad you’re having better luck with your setup. I’ve battled with mine for several seasons and still not happy with it. Still it’s full moon so nothing else to do!
Good luck with the processing, and good luck with your Hyperstar setup! I don't have perfect stars in APS-C corners... But I choose not to care!
Really interesting process. Going to definitely try this.
Hi. Great video. Could you tell me what processing you did to get to the original monochrome images that you used in the demonstration (e.g. background extraction)? Thanks!
Very informative, Cuiv! Re: bloated stars, can you explain why you removed the stars via StarNet instead of using morphological transformation for the OIII channel? Also, would be great to have a video about how to assess which filter combinations are a good bet for a target, e.g. SHO vs. HOO vs. HaLRGB etc. but also factoring in LP/Bortle. I see similar questions in some of the other comments here. Merci, dude!
Great Processing and thanks for sharing. Question? Did you do any noise reduction or anything of that nature to the separate Ha, Oiii, Sii images prior to the soft streach?
Not that I remember!
Great video.Can you make a same tutorial for dual/tripple band filters (L-eXtreme/L-eNhance) ? ;)
Should the centre of the Rosette be green? When I image it it seems green I the centre. ?
I have struggled with the Hubble palette.. partly because I struggle with the oxygen and Sii layers. I'm considering going for 3nm filters in the hopes to get better data to work with. (currently working with Optolong 6.5nm filters).. But, not sure if that I actually going to fix the struggles.
pretty much on all my SHO layers, the oxygen isn't really there or isn't powerful enough to overpower the hydrogen layers. So the final images are always lacking a lot of blue..
Unless I missed something, you removed the stars separately and created different star masks for each filter, Ha, Sii, and Oiii. Which star mask did you use to reapply the stars?
Great video Cuiv, I will definitely try this today, I only do OSC but I split the channels and recombine so it may work. Also, I finally remembered to use your affiliate link, I purchased a new telescope, Explore Scientific 127mm Air-Spaced ED APO f/7.5 Triplet. I think this will feed my hunger for aperture for a while.
Congrats on your new purchase William!! Enjoy the new scopes (and the clear skies that will undoubtedly come with it :p)
Thank you very much for sharing!
I will compare results with Lukomatico's method, which I have been using to date. Your result looks good Yannick :-)
Thank you and good luck!
You are a legend! Thank you very much for sharing.
Thank you!
Can you make a Hubble Palette using a quadband filter on OSC camera?
No! Multiple band passes get squashed together!
Fantastic! Really useful!
Thank you!
Thanks for sharing, I’ll give a go 👍
Oh, I feel like I've made a mistake with buying OSC camera :D looking forward for next step. Maybe next Christmas.
Oh no, OSC has a lot of advantages as well!!
Yeah, I know. Especially here in Vancouver (Raincouver), every minute under clear sky is like a miracle :) Anyway, great job Cuiv, love your production. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
This is great! Thanks for sharing
You seem to be pretty well versed in Pixinsight. Feel like doing any tutorials? I'm getting better at Pixinsight, but you know so much more than I do. I try to catch as many tricks as I can during the video. But I'd really like to get a little bit more in depth on some subjects. Really appreciate all that you do! ;o)
There's already quite a few tutorials on the channel, but if you want something more basic, check Visible Dark UA-cam channel!
Cuiv, Is it possible to combine LRGB SHO together ? Also Cuiv Opinion on Magenta Stars ? Also what about SCNR .7 instead of 1.0 ?
I've never done such a combination, but of course technically possible. Just there is no set method for that... With the method in the video there are no magenta stars - and I tried with lower SCNR amounts, it still doesn't give me the result that I want...
I like this a lot. My data did not come out of LRGB combination nearly as bright and vibrant as yours. I still like my results but had to do a lot more in saturation. Did you do anything to the S H O files other than stack drizzling before the combination? Like DBE or other background processing?
The raw files in the description should be straight out of stacking (but that data was from 4 years ago so it's a bit hard to remember)
@@CuivTheLazyGeek maybe my gain is too low? Or my 5 minute subs with 3nm Oiii and Sii filters is too short? I get lots of Ha signal at 5nm. How do I check this?
Beautiful image, I dont like hubble palette but this is special to me
Great picture Cuiv, seems pixinsight is the only way…..too bad I can’t afford such luxury, maybe one day 👍🏼
You do have alternatives like Astro Pixel Processor, Affinity Photo, or Photoshop, but I'm not familiar with any of those!
Very interesting, so many ways of doing things, and not enough brain cells to remember them all!
I can't wait to go mono! I love OSC but I want a new challenge
Ooh you won't be disappointed by the challenge side of things! :D
Good video Cuiv but you need to slow down on some of the processing steps.
Hi
Can u do hubble palette with osc ?
Hello - you can do an approximation of it, try looking for videos on the topic on the VisibleDark channel!
Gorgeous
Ohhh maaaaan, I am doing this for two minutes, playing with the Selective color tool in PS ... removing the green is the stupidest thing guys do in PI. If the color is there, it is there for a reason.
Thanks for all your posts. I have learned so much from your channel Cuiv. I have struggled a lot with this issue and found your approach interesting and it works fairly well. The approach I have been using, which you may have already seen, takes advantage of a Pixelmath method devised by James Lamb. I have to say it has totally changed the final colours of my Hubble palette images for the better. If you haven’t already seen it, I’d be interested to hear what you think about it.
ua-cam.com/video/YGMRn-fMVV8/v-deo.html
Hi. Are you French ?
Yep
@@CuivTheLazyGeek Ton bel accent t'a trahi. Sacré parcours de vie, Astram UA-camr expatrié à Tokyo... Chouettes vidéos en tout cas, ça change des contenus astro habituels..