It needs to become a meme and feature of this lobbies that dumb dog is Barking up the wrong tree. Like every time someone is defending themselves from his accusation they should lead with that line.
Regarding the Aurial game: i think it's the Morphlings' fault to not account for Aurial. It's not THAT broken. Morphlings just do not need to click sample every round immediately.
Aurial detecting the sample is a needed counter play. Sampling immediately helps hide who sampled you since many people are grouped. Certain players who obsessively optimize play end up being frustrated by change.
Hafu was off on some games and totally off on others. More people just listen to hafu and refuse to vote her out. She’s a good player but I think a lot of the players in this lobby aren’t trying to be sweaty.
Aurial in the first 5 seconds has 3 targets. Medic, Morphling and Venting. Everything else has CD of some amount, generally 10s in round 1. They should play around that info. The role is entire balanced once kill CD is up and every role has there buttons. And this lobby spams those abilities. Trackers that stay alive usually have everyone tracked. Detectives use it on everyone all the time with no regard. In round 1 specifically its probably worth it to not use Morphling ability untill much later. The role is absolutely busted in the first 10 seconds of round 1 and the opening 15 after every meeting but once those time frames pass, the list of available roles that could have done something is so large its almost useless. Investigator is much more broken. It catches Swoopers and Glitches and Morphlings all the time.
It was incredibly obvious that Janet was vigi and had killed bacon as Arso. If you're tunnelling on DD it doesn't make sense but if you're focused on Janet's talk it does.
@@freedomnow5 While i wouldn't say that Janet being vigi was incredibly obvious, Scott is really good at reading the situation, so for Dumbdog's sake he was one of the worst people to be swapper in that moment
@@onidii There was zero reason to sus DD there and every reason to sus Janet. DD has a right to be annoyed, it was impossible for him to kill anyone there.
@@pokefreakplays oh yeah ofc, it's really frustrating that's how the game ended. I just think Scott's reads on people are usually good so he just read the situation, believed Janet more and I think it's completely justified for him to use his ability to swap if he feels he might be right. Sometimes this game relies on psychology more than actual clears.
@@onidii I think going off a hunch and an instinct is completely fine. But I also think there should have been more discussion about the actual mid meeting killing. Scott wasn't really explaining his reasoning for swapping onto Dumbdog, apart from it being a hunch which just makes it feel super bad for Dumbdogs game.
We’ve also seen detective be OP in people’s hands but they don’t consider taking that out because it’s not in most people’s hands. I respect if they don’t want to play with it but there’s easy ways to play around it by, like dumb dog says, delaying using your ability by a few seconds. It’s only been OP in these 2 games (with 5up) and one with dumb dog (early on in its addition) everyone else gets some info but not game breaking amounts.
@@destinygaal9217 detective is off, but i agree with you - still i think it would be better if they changed morphling to be able to morph without sampling though
@@handlelicker989 They need to just respect the aurial more and stop acting like it doesn't exist. They shouldn't be using abilities off cooldown at all times.
There were 5 dead, 3 people got cleared, one of the two not clear people got shot, leaving one person not clear, sure Janet could have been and was the Vigi but as imposter you can fake that too, as Arso you could have known someones role due to the extra vision you get as bad role, Scott always acts as if he has perfect info when it's not possible and I simply don't understand, with 5 dead I'd assume that Arso got 3 and then an impostor killed lovers or something like that, meaning in my mind those in speci would be 100% clear from the kills. (which they were) even as crew DD should have thought it was open and shut case so I don't understand why Scott would home in on him, saying it's "vibes" and using Swapper there is actually insane.
I feel like there's a good chance Steve does know/remember the "call reactor and jump in a vent" trick but I doubt he'd ever do it, it really isn't his vibe.
Ifl aurial hasn’t necessarily been that op historically but 5up got specific situations 2 rounds in a row. Impostors should just consider the timing at the start of the round to mitigate that right?
I know a lot of people will defend smajor because he was "right" but it was a pure vibes overruling any and all logic play. DD was hard clear and there is no way Janet can say it couldnt be her, although she tried (and she DID kill Baycon). I totally get the frustration there. And for people who say Scott sussed him because he was "active" he really didnt. DD didnt really go nuts until Scott refused to believe Junk's hard clear for whatever reason. I feel his reaction to Janet shooting was pretty normal given the available evidence.
the only person who has a problem with aurial is 5up, i think the role is really cool and i'm gonna miss it :[ i mean this in a very kind way with no insult but i think the issue is that 5up is very competitive in among us/tries super hard, almost like he wants to speedrun every game, which isn't necessarily bad but doesn't always mesh well with the rest of the lobby, maybe just having the role off on days 5up is playing could be a solution
5up didn't necessarily have an issue with it, he just felt bad for the two imposters he caught. it's not his fault that kara and scott used their abilities within the first second of the round, and pretty much any other player would have known they were morphling too. not revealing the information would've still affected his game and how he voted or talked in meetings.
Also to follow up on the other comment, this isn't the Chilled lobby - even if they aren't anywhere near as competitive as before, this IS a lobby with competitive elements. 5up, Hafu, Dumbdog are stand outs, but to lesser extents, everyone actually tries to win. Does 5up stand out against the rest? As a general rule, sure, but he's far from alone as a competitive player. Far, far, FAR from it. For the role issue, the big problem was specifically that 5up WASNT trying too hard to abuse the role. It was how mindlessly obvious stuff was when you pay the teensiest tiniest attention and also know the game. Scott was deterministically caught - this can be countered, sure, but its awful. Kara was caught in an experiment sure, but that interaction is the proof that he didn't fully think it through. The role completely polices early game and post-lobby phases, and even if you change your Morphling play, it then giga nerfs your options to sample and would regularly make it possible to identify who sampled you. Even if you minimise the imposter catching, now you can reliably identify the medic round 1 and have a very safe voting block, which wrecks the social manipulation aspect. Is Investigator also able to break the game? Yes, sure. Does that actually matter? No, this is called 'what-about-ism'.
I was SHOCKED Janet wasn't bad and lovers with Hafu that one game O.o It seemed super obvious to me from her having like 0 clears and then not even having a proper defense and Hafu just trusting her completely .... I guess I am dumb xD
Scott's logic at the end of game 2 is so poor. Janet has sounded just as ultra chill as an impostor before, he's just not been there for it I guess? Is he that scared of DD?
frfr the "bad vibes" catch from scott is super lame like this is a game where you should be going off of evidence and not gut feelings even if they are right. DD should have 100% won that game
im going to disagree with you on the scott swapper situation. its true you didnt kill anyone that round and you were clear with junk but scott's logic did make sense. baycon was shot out as arso and obviously there was still an imposter left. you sounded way too eager to end the game and janet sounded too calm to be imposter. junk was pretty clear so from his prospective it has to be you
from scott’s pov, it should’ve been equal chances that janet was vigi or bad and knew baycon’s role though? i do agree that dd sounded overeager to end the round since he was ooooobviously clear but it was a soul read more than anything imo
@@hyang5u well yeah after baycon got shot out, it was more or less a 50/50 between janet and dumbdog and janet sounded too calm to be imposter. so again from scotts perspective it has to be dumbdog. not to sound like a dick or anything but how did your comment address anything i said?
@@samthefsih because if you looked at the actual evidence (ie who was where, with who when shit happened that round) janet actually looked more guilty than dd? and funnily enough, when i first heard janet speak, the way she was acting made me 100% think she actually was the arso so i was confused when the game ended after dd was voted. so ultimately it was a soul read on whose vibes felt more or less guilty rather than looking at actual evidence which was dd’s gripe with how the game played out. you’re free to agree to disagree if you don’t wanna be a dick tho lmao it’s just a game in the end who cares
@@samthefsihyour logic is dismantled by the fact that he was in spec without any dead ppl during an arso kill. He definitely couldn’t have been arso during an arso kill.
I've never seen a more bs swap in my life watching this game. Not even the troll swaps come close to this one lmao Edit: the fucking scream of Steve at the end holy shit
@@mossthebryophyter I agree that he was too happy with the situation and should have sussed smajor a bit more. Tho the Janet thing being vigilante never crossed my mind at the moment.
Scotts a dirty rotten cheat, there's simply no way he swaps that... is what I want to say. I don't actually think that, but I simply do not understand how or why he swapped that. Its a horribly dumb swap that just luckily happened to play out for him. Thats crazy.
For the last game of the day Koji actually got Phantom right as the game ended, I didn't even know that could happen. So funny that the checks are done in that order
what if dd was good in a last 4 like the morphling game and steve did that kinda swap off of vibes? we'd brush it off cuz 'oh steve', and tbh anyone can and should do whatever play they think is reasonable (or appropriate) in that instant 🤷 luck and vibes are also a part of amogus, we can't expect every action to have a fully backed-up reason...
When Hafu plays in the lobby, you need to invite fewer of her cultists, or she's just going to continue steam roll. She CANNOT be a good speaker with 9 imp meeting tells and 5 crew tells. Plus, she plays 99% personal bias, 1% common sense/facts/logic/reason/reality.
It would be a lot quicker if you just copy + paste "I hate women" when you feel like commenting, because that's the net output of the majority of your comments
Can I get P-E-T-T-Y for 5up using a role that ruined his game one time to ruin EVERYONE ELSE'S impostor game every time he got it just to prove its broken 🤣
"Maybe I am barking up the wrong tree, but well DumbDog's dead so someone has to do it" is an UNDERRATED LINE from Koji xD
It needs to become a meme and feature of this lobbies that dumb dog is Barking up the wrong tree. Like every time someone is defending themselves from his accusation they should lead with that line.
@@Primarch359 No no no guys, you're going down the wrong path.
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17:44 “Why do I feel like Koji’s dead” reminds me so much of the “Janet’s gonna be dead” from the Venerer curse game.
🤣that game is so ingrained in my memory
Regarding the Aurial game: i think it's the Morphlings' fault to not account for Aurial. It's not THAT broken. Morphlings just do not need to click sample every round immediately.
Sounds like someone who doesn’t play mods
5up just dislikes new roles
Aurial detecting the sample is a needed counter play. Sampling immediately helps hide who sampled you since many people are grouped.
Certain players who obsessively optimize play end up being frustrated by change.
FYI, steve could not have hidden in a vent during reactor. Vents are disabled in final 2.
@@arvetis They have had final 2s before where people have hidden in vents
this might be an unpopular opinion but i feel like hafu is the only person who's reads are still as good as they were in the og among us days
There's a reason why she's the among us queen and her ranks and stats on among us academy are still so high
True, junk has moved from D to S rank and supplanted her as top bean
Smajor has really good guesses still
Hafu was off on some games and totally off on others. More people just listen to hafu and refuse to vote her out.
She’s a good player but I think a lot of the players in this lobby aren’t trying to be sweaty.
I'd say Junk's are as good as ever, but that isn't a compliment.
wake up babe, new dd vod just dropped
that morphling game wouldve infuriated me, 5 kills and im with junk In speci? and the only 2 people not there arent bad or didnt do a kill?
Aurial in the first 5 seconds has 3 targets. Medic, Morphling and Venting. Everything else has CD of some amount, generally 10s in round 1. They should play around that info. The role is entire balanced once kill CD is up and every role has there buttons. And this lobby spams those abilities. Trackers that stay alive usually have everyone tracked. Detectives use it on everyone all the time with no regard. In round 1 specifically its probably worth it to not use Morphling ability untill much later.
The role is absolutely busted in the first 10 seconds of round 1 and the opening 15 after every meeting but once those time frames pass, the list of available roles that could have done something is so large its almost useless.
Investigator is much more broken. It catches Swoopers and Glitches and Morphlings all the time.
Medic, Morphling, and Blackmailer.
@@Dallows65 Blackmail has a CD matching kill cooldown
@ I thought it was like 5 seconds?
45:50 they made a joke abt a guy who hates women doin something and dumbdog goes "AY YO MAN I DIDNT DO NUTHIN"
im with laughter
1:51:58 LMAOOOOOOOOOO that no was so strong 🤣
That swap on Dumbdog was crazy...
It was incredibly obvious that Janet was vigi and had killed bacon as Arso. If you're tunnelling on DD it doesn't make sense but if you're focused on Janet's talk it does.
@@freedomnow5 While i wouldn't say that Janet being vigi was incredibly obvious, Scott is really good at reading the situation, so for Dumbdog's sake he was one of the worst people to be swapper in that moment
@@onidii There was zero reason to sus DD there and every reason to sus Janet. DD has a right to be annoyed, it was impossible for him to kill anyone there.
@@pokefreakplays oh yeah ofc, it's really frustrating that's how the game ended. I just think Scott's reads on people are usually good so he just read the situation, believed Janet more and I think it's completely justified for him to use his ability to swap if he feels he might be right. Sometimes this game relies on psychology more than actual clears.
@@onidii I think going off a hunch and an instinct is completely fine. But I also think there should have been more discussion about the actual mid meeting killing. Scott wasn't really explaining his reasoning for swapping onto Dumbdog, apart from it being a hunch which just makes it feel super bad for Dumbdogs game.
Oh I'm pretty sad about no more Aurial, that role is really cool
Its cool but 5up proved its too overpowered, he was saying perhaps it would be better if it was a radius or a flash instead, it could still be fixxed
We’ve also seen detective be OP in people’s hands but they don’t consider taking that out because it’s not in most people’s hands. I respect if they don’t want to play with it but there’s easy ways to play around it by, like dumb dog says, delaying using your ability by a few seconds. It’s only been OP in these 2 games (with 5up) and one with dumb dog (early on in its addition) everyone else gets some info but not game breaking amounts.
@@destinygaal9217 detective is off, but i agree with you - still i think it would be better if they changed morphling to be able to morph without sampling though
@@destinygaal9217 It's also pretty bad for Plaguebearer/Arsonist
@@handlelicker989 They need to just respect the aurial more and stop acting like it doesn't exist. They shouldn't be using abilities off cooldown at all times.
Timestamps:
0:19 Medic (Crew)
9:59 Executioner (Neutral)
22:20 Politician (Crew)
39:13 Swooper (Impostor)
59:36 Transporter (Crew)
1:18:09 Snitch (Crew)
1:37:28 Executioner (Neutral)
9:59 Executioner-Amni-Morphling
And 1:37:28 Executioner-Amnesiac-Sheriff if we‘re including mid-game role changes
Im glad hafu's back!!
omg the screech from Steve 😭
he was devastated 😭
He's so freaking funny lol
Bruh, if I hear another week of people constantly whining about Aurial when Investigator is still in the lobby I'm going to pull my hair out.
22:50 it looks like Junk sliced Aipha and neither DD nor Janet noticed
There were 5 dead, 3 people got cleared, one of the two not clear people got shot, leaving one person not clear, sure Janet could have been and was the Vigi but as imposter you can fake that too, as Arso you could have known someones role due to the extra vision you get as bad role, Scott always acts as if he has perfect info when it's not possible and I simply don't understand, with 5 dead I'd assume that Arso got 3 and then an impostor killed lovers or something like that, meaning in my mind those in speci would be 100% clear from the kills. (which they were)
even as crew DD should have thought it was open and shut case so I don't understand why Scott would home in on him, saying it's "vibes" and using Swapper there is actually insane.
I feel like there's a good chance Steve does know/remember the "call reactor and jump in a vent" trick but I doubt he'd ever do it, it really isn't his vibe.
Bro really wants that cleanest kill with swooper 😅
Ifl aurial hasn’t necessarily been that op historically but 5up got specific situations 2 rounds in a row. Impostors should just consider the timing at the start of the round to mitigate that right?
Yep, the meta should just shift to accommodate the changing roles and play patterns... but some peoples' tism is proving too change-resistant
Scott the type of guy to pull a meta sus and push a vote on four while getting upset if the same thing happened to him
I love Scott, but he tunnels on DumbDog a LOT. Correct or not, he'll always assume it's DD if DD and him survive to the final rounds.
aurial is actually hard countered by tracker bc every time they think its plaguebearer or arso its actually tracker
you don't know how happy i am to see an among us vod by Da dog
"This role can tell your role if you do something extremely easy to avoid doing! Clearly overpowered!" -5up and Among Us Academy
Surprised dd doesn't even understand the social read smajor had on him and janet. Its just classic impostor being more energetic than crew in a 50/50.
But it wasn't 50/50. Junk was hard clearing him.
or scott is cheating LOL
@@mattyyybbb or dumbdog just has porn-level acting
best to remove a role instead of adjusting stale playstyles.
I know a lot of people will defend smajor because he was "right" but it was a pure vibes overruling any and all logic play. DD was hard clear and there is no way Janet can say it couldnt be her, although she tried (and she DID kill Baycon). I totally get the frustration there.
And for people who say Scott sussed him because he was "active" he really didnt. DD didnt really go nuts until Scott refused to believe Junk's hard clear for whatever reason. I feel his reaction to Janet shooting was pretty normal given the available evidence.
the only person who has a problem with aurial is 5up, i think the role is really cool and i'm gonna miss it :[
i mean this in a very kind way with no insult but i think the issue is that 5up is very competitive in among us/tries super hard, almost like he wants to speedrun every game, which isn't necessarily bad but doesn't always mesh well with the rest of the lobby, maybe just having the role off on days 5up is playing could be a solution
5up didn't necessarily have an issue with it, he just felt bad for the two imposters he caught. it's not his fault that kara and scott used their abilities within the first second of the round, and pretty much any other player would have known they were morphling too. not revealing the information would've still affected his game and how he voted or talked in meetings.
Also to follow up on the other comment, this isn't the Chilled lobby - even if they aren't anywhere near as competitive as before, this IS a lobby with competitive elements. 5up, Hafu, Dumbdog are stand outs, but to lesser extents, everyone actually tries to win. Does 5up stand out against the rest? As a general rule, sure, but he's far from alone as a competitive player. Far, far, FAR from it.
For the role issue, the big problem was specifically that 5up WASNT trying too hard to abuse the role. It was how mindlessly obvious stuff was when you pay the teensiest tiniest attention and also know the game. Scott was deterministically caught - this can be countered, sure, but its awful. Kara was caught in an experiment sure, but that interaction is the proof that he didn't fully think it through. The role completely polices early game and post-lobby phases, and even if you change your Morphling play, it then giga nerfs your options to sample and would regularly make it possible to identify who sampled you. Even if you minimise the imposter catching, now you can reliably identify the medic round 1 and have a very safe voting block, which wrecks the social manipulation aspect.
Is Investigator also able to break the game? Yes, sure. Does that actually matter? No, this is called 'what-about-ism'.
I was SHOCKED Janet wasn't bad and lovers with Hafu that one game O.o It seemed super obvious to me from her having like 0 clears and then not even having a proper defense and Hafu just trusting her completely
.... I guess I am dumb xD
hafu was exe on dd and she knew 5up was bad -- that's why she was only pushing 5up and dd, not janet.
@@czarina9999 I know, she explains it after the game - but watching it I did NOT believe Janet was good!
1:04:28 the reading of hafu was insane
Scott's logic at the end of game 2 is so poor. Janet has sounded just as ultra chill as an impostor before, he's just not been there for it I guess? Is he that scared of DD?
0:18 Medic (Crew)
9:58 Executioner to amnesiac to imposter (Neutral)
22:21 Politician (Crew)
39:14 Swooper (Impostor)
59:35 Transporter (Crew)
1:18:10 Snitch (Crew)
1:37:29 Executioner (Neutral)
I was legit waiting for this
That game that scott swapped you out is very dubious. I would be asking questions about that one.
frfr the "bad vibes" catch from scott is super lame like this is a game where you should be going off of evidence and not gut feelings even if they are right. DD should have 100% won that game
That round two game was just insane. I would have tilted off the face of the planet but hey shit happens I guess
happy holidays everyone !!!
im going to disagree with you on the scott swapper situation. its true you didnt kill anyone that round and you were clear with junk but scott's logic did make sense. baycon was shot out as arso and obviously there was still an imposter left. you sounded way too eager to end the game and janet sounded too calm to be imposter. junk was pretty clear so from his prospective it has to be you
from scott’s pov, it should’ve been equal chances that janet was vigi or bad and knew baycon’s role though? i do agree that dd sounded overeager to end the round since he was ooooobviously clear but it was a soul read more than anything imo
@@hyang5u well yeah after baycon got shot out, it was more or less a 50/50 between janet and dumbdog and janet sounded too calm to be imposter. so again from scotts perspective it has to be dumbdog. not to sound like a dick or anything but how did your comment address anything i said?
@@samthefsih because if you looked at the actual evidence (ie who was where, with who when shit happened that round) janet actually looked more guilty than dd? and funnily enough, when i first heard janet speak, the way she was acting made me 100% think she actually was the arso so i was confused when the game ended after dd was voted. so ultimately it was a soul read on whose vibes felt more or less guilty rather than looking at actual evidence which was dd’s gripe with how the game played out. you’re free to agree to disagree if you don’t wanna be a dick tho lmao it’s just a game in the end who cares
@@samthefsihyour logic is dismantled by the fact that he was in spec without any dead ppl during an arso kill. He definitely couldn’t have been arso during an arso kill.
@@hyang5usays it’s just a game but writes a paragraph defending yourself lmao
Steve with a great mic
“What do you mean i give bad vibes” 😂
just in time
Scott sold so hard on the second round final vote
no among us for over 2 weeks😢
I've never seen a more bs swap in my life watching this game. Not even the troll swaps come close to this one lmao
Edit: the fucking scream of Steve at the end holy shit
Nah, dd was way too happy about baycon dying and you could practically hear the smile. Also, it was obvious janet was vigilante
It's absolutely insane, I completely agree!
@@mossthebryophyter I agree that he was too happy with the situation and should have sussed smajor a bit more. Tho the Janet thing being vigilante never crossed my mind at the moment.
Happy holidays
"swooped?"
The girls were funny 41:33
Scotts a dirty rotten cheat, there's simply no way he swaps that... is what I want to say. I don't actually think that, but I simply do not understand how or why he swapped that. Its a horribly dumb swap that just luckily happened to play out for him. Thats crazy.
It's been happening way too long now and it bothers me xD They keep saying "touché" when they mean "kudos" AND NO ONE CORRECTS THEM
Aurial is a mistake, it shouldn’t have been made as well as Guardian Angel. They just make among us super unfun
nuh-uh
For the last game of the day Koji actually got Phantom right as the game ended, I didn't even know that could happen. So funny that the checks are done in that order
1:51:57 Is Janet ok??????
pretty sure that was Steve
Love these videos. Imo Smajor stream snipes 💯 Always had a feeling but game 2 makes me believe it more.
I saw this and the vid said 15mins ago
New dd vod lesgooooo
yessssssssssss
1:51:56 lol
what if dd was good in a last 4 like the morphling game and steve did that kinda swap off of vibes? we'd brush it off cuz 'oh steve', and tbh anyone can and should do whatever play they think is reasonable (or appropriate) in that instant 🤷
luck and vibes are also a part of amogus, we can't expect every action to have a fully backed-up reason...
I think smajor votes DD specifically off of vibes quite often though.
When Hafu plays in the lobby, you need to invite fewer of her cultists, or she's just going to continue steam roll.
She CANNOT be a good speaker with 9 imp meeting tells and 5 crew tells.
Plus, she plays 99% personal bias, 1% common sense/facts/logic/reason/reality.
It would be a lot quicker if you just copy + paste "I hate women" when you feel like commenting, because that's the net output of the majority of your comments
“Bad vibes” truly is an insane thing LMAOOOO SMAJOR
Can I get P-E-T-T-Y for 5up using a role that ruined his game one time to ruin EVERYONE ELSE'S impostor game every time he got it just to prove its broken 🤣
was he supposed to just withhold info that the game literally gave him tho?