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QUARTERING TO SHOTS!!! - Should YOU Take Them or Not?? | Bowhunting Deer
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- Aaron and Greg discuss what we've learned about quartering to shots with heavy setups!
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I appreciate the fact that you have the balls to say “I made a bad decision” or “I made a bad shot.” Reality. That’s why you guys will have a long, successful career in an industry that’s FULL of fake news.
Adam 👍🇺🇸
The frustration of not getting an opportunity at a clean shot doesn’t compare to how bad you feel after you take a bad shot. Immediate regret. As usual, great episode fellas.
thanks for the advise. relatively new to hunting and I’ve never had the opportunity to learn this. Thank you
I was told at a young age to never regret passing on a deer if you weren’t confident in the shot. It’s way easier said than done but after losing a couple I knew how true it was.
As a bowhunter with 52 years experience, I really enjoyed this episode.
I'm in my late 50 so I grew up with 2216 Eastman Heavy arrows.
Back in the day we never did a weight check.our arrows
Would pass through a full frontal shot and exit the rear ham
Tony B
So true man I never realized over the years how light my arrows were getting and I finally switched back to fixed heads with inserts back to pass throughs for me
Already pumped for next deer season. Gonna have to start rewatching some hunting videos
Brett
Me too I need to put down the fishing pole and start shooting my bow this week
You said my comment before me lol
I just started watching this channel at the very tail end or after this past season. I was so sad about the season being over I binge watched every deer tour they have. Still go back and watch em when I get that itch.
So anyone had any luck yet this season? I’ve only had one week in October (way too hot) and now I’m gearing up for first weekend in November. I’m ready I’m ready I’m ready. So many buck dreams 😅
@@skymagruder5270 How did it go?
Merry Christmas to everyone
Aaron's elk hunt on the Born & Raised channel may be my favorite filmed hunting content of all time. The brutal lows, followed by the final success. Thats what keeps us all driving 16 hours on no sleep to climb a mountain with a bow.
That's why you guys have the best hunting videos! You show the bad with the good. Good reminder for everyone to take better shots. Thanks Guys! Keep up the good work!
I'm ready for these.. I can't get into the turkey videos. I've watched a ton of Midwest whitetail videos watching y’all in the old days😂 good footage just don't ever do all the advertising that's crap and kills the videos
Kevin me too
I moved the ND and this state you have to put in for a turkey tag plus 90% of the state is private land so I’m over the turkey thing let’s get on with the deer tour can’t wait
Thanks for sharing your real life experiences and encouraging others to be as smart and ethical as possible. It's better to learn from another's experience than to suffer needlessly! Great content as always!
Anyone else binging THP’s deer tour videos before the season starts?
I beefed up my arrows this past season because i saw the good y’all were having with them. I’ll never go back to light and fast. Not after the season i had with a 627 grain arrow with 22% FOC.
FINALLY a new video! I’ve been having to go on a THP withdrawal for the past week!😂
I used to practice shooting through brush when I first started and never had a good experience on a deer. We tune our bows so the arrow goes straight in the animal and doesn't wobble on impact. That gives us optimum pennetration. Hitting any brush even if we hit our mark is similar to letting our vanes hit the cables. The arrow will wobble on impact and we will lose that follow through energy. Thanks for sharing your results so we can all learn from your experiences.
I have been shooting 720 grains for years, has anyone noticed how much more quiet their bow is? Those heavy arrows take so much energy out of the bow, that it is a lot quieter.
Very much so. I have 3 builds. 1025, 880, and 778gr that all shoot very well from my bow. For the 2024 season i've built a lower 548gr setup. Upon the first few shots while bareshafting, the increase in sound of the bow was the first thing i noticed. so much so, that i shot a couple of my heavies just to compare. It's definately noticable.
This episode was amazing.
Too many people take unethical shots or have unethical equipment set ups for bow and rifle. Great to see people out there that respect the animals they hunt and are willing to educate everyone. Keep it up.
Now that’s an educational video. I love how you mix the knowledge and experience and are able to provide videos to go along with it. Thanks for that
DIY sportsman has an excellent video from this year on a frontal shot.
Appreciate THP and the good hunting ethics you guys have. This video really touched home for me due to a recent experience on a hard quarter to shot. Appreciate you guys for all you do
I tried the switch last year. From 20 yards and in it was awesome. Out past 20 yards the arrow drops so much it basically took away my 30, 35 and 40 yard shot. From 20 to 27 the arrow was so slow the deer reacted dramatically before the arrow got there. I switched back to my light fast arrow set up after a doe ducked an arrow at 26 yards and spine shooting another doe at 25 yards. With my light set up (425 arrow and broadhead) I can shot one pin out to 30 yards and had all the confidence in the world at 35 and 40. If your disciplined to watch deer walk away at 23, 26, 32 yards.....could be the buck of a lifetime at 31 yards broadside the heavy set up for you.
THERE IT IS FOLKS!!!!!
One of the most useful episodes I have ever seen on any video. You guys are really growing on me.
Having not been able to recover an animal myself, I sincerely appreciate the early reminder on ensuring your set up is what you think it is.
I’ve been hunting heavy adult arrows for 27 of the last40 years. There is no better set up than 3/1 single bevel. You can “take and break , Warb! Troy is spot on! The quieting down of the bow is also understated! You can’t shoot through brush though...... it’s a bow and arrow....????you have to get it in the vitals.
Lots of good info. The frontal shot on the deer, that pic really puts into perspective the needle your try to thread taking that shot. Thanks guys for the great videos…
Thanks for sharing your experiences. I enjoy your honesty and analytics on what is a good or bad shot. Some areas have been gray areas for me and you've clarified a lot. Thanks again.
I will always Take the shot I can hit .There is a way into the vitals from every direction or angle . So if you can make the shot take it if not then simply don't . After 45 years of bowhunting there are as many wives tails about deer having to be broadside as the ones about heavy quartered shots .. All it boils down tp is some hunters in the moment do not shoot very well at animals standing at any angle .Lots of hunters do not estimate yardage very well either and do not have well tuned gear so they try to mitigate that with light shafts and fold out heads ..
Very classy cover of the various shots! Honest not judgmental just information being passed on. Very well done. Thanks for that kind of unbiased information!
What a perfect first video to share after Turkey 🦃 Tour 21’ is over. Gets everyone fired up even more than they were about archery 🏹 deer 🦌 season and preparing for it. Possibly bumping up their current set up and using those Plan B “Adult Arrows” for the reasons that you illustrated in this video.
Thanks for the transparency and speaking against people who might now think that if they have a 600 grain arrow that it’s a Brush Buster arrow like people call 30-30s and 45/70s in the rifle world.
My current set up is an “old” PSE single cam bow from 2006, 60 lbs and 29 in draw. My arrows last year were about 510 grain (11.25 Gpi over 29 inches) including a 45 grain outsert and 100 grain broadheads (Magnus Stinger Buzzcut and G5 Montec CS) since I couldn’t find 125-150 grain broadheads anywhere after your Ranch Fairy videos lol
Sadly I missed three does from the ground last fall and didn’t draw on a nice 8-10 point, because he never looked down or away. It might have been a quartering too shot also. I have been waiting to send a question about that encounter until the off-season to either the THP IG page or a couple of you guys’ personal IG page to see what your thoughts would be.
Thanks again for sharing this informative and thought provoking video.
Just passed up a shot on a nice buck a few days ago. Had some passing regret in the blind, but now I'm glad I skipped a bad shot. Maybe I'll meet that buck again.
Due to my job last year, I wasnt able to go through the Ranch Fairy's complete Heavy Arrow setup...But due to what I learned from him I did swap back to fixed blade and touched up my 3 blade, 100 gr G3 broadheads...I was able to shoot a doe at 15 yards totally broadsided and I completely blew through both shoulders...She was down in less then 50 yards...Looking forward to this year...
Well done guys. Great work covering the possibilities and risks of quartering to shots backed by video evidence.
Great video. I have a hard time getting into the turkey tour because there just aren't any turkeys where I live so I don't hunt them. Can hardly wait for the deer tour to kick off. It keeps the confidence up throughout the season. Best hunting group there is, don't ever change guys.
Neil K
Same here in Fargo North Dakota
I'm a doe killa! I love the brusers you all take on public..I'm a ol lazy bow hunter... all public .Mostly Maryland, Virginia and Tennessee... if you want a surprize... Maryland's underrated for big deer!Big bodied bruisers....come see.for your self! Mabey take a Sika!. I've dumbed into enough bruiser's to fill my shop! Keep up the great videshow!
Humid day here in ark. Glad to see a video about deer hunting
Two years ago I lost a fine Missouri buck on a quartering to 20 yard shot. From a treestand. I was shooting too light of a set up. Very good advice. Thanks for the video
Excellent, informative and honest video. If you hunt long enough, you will encounter all of the situations addressed here. It’s hard to pass on shots, but can be just as thrilling as making one. Wounding and losing deer has caused some to give up the sport.
I agree, the first deer I ever shot at was quartering too and it bounced off the shoulder. I was so livid about wounding the deer I wanted to sell my bow.
I cannot wait for Pennsylvania's archery season to open up that is my favorite thing in life
I’m sure you made a slip when referring to “‘at ball and socket joint” of shoulder. Some viewers might have been misled. The video is much appreciated and helpful to me. I’m 81 years old, been hunting every year with bow since 1967, Still having a great time in woods. After watching video, shot my last buck a few days ago through scapula (unintentionally a bit high, but crowded the shoulder more than usual). Lived 12 seconds with thru shot. Keep the videos coming!
I had an invisible branch from an invisible tree deflect my arrow on a shot at an Impala at 18 yards and hit it high and back. Lesson..... beware of invisible trees! Lol! Luckily, we were able to recover the Impala but it was a bad shot.....
Appreciate all you guys do. Love your videos. So full of information!
This is what I call a video with serious value! Thanks guys.
I'm so thrilled y'all made this video!!! It's really been on my mind about how this arrow set up would give people "Beer muscles" when hunting and a false sense of confidence. But you are so right. It is a killer set up and surely the way to go. Be smart and go through the check list before you let it fly. I wish y'all many kills.
Thank you Ranch Fairy and THP!!!!!!!!
Thank you for taking the time to share. Extremely good info and material to take ro the woods moving forward. Keep up the good work fellas!!
Awesome discussion guys. Its been fun to go on this learning journey with you.
Thanks for this video, people need to hear it!! I’m switching my arrows this year to about 550 grains at 31” draw because of you guys!
Nice job guys! I also have a long draw so my arrow weight has been higher than average and I have generally been confident in the quartering to shot for some time now but it is key (I think) to have a clear shot as you pointed out in this video.
Thank you for this video. Incredibly informative and transparent. I made the switch like you guys this year and I looking forward to September chasing bugling bulls. I agree with you 100%, shot selection still matters. There's no excuse for selecting to take a poor quality shot. But it's nice to have an insurance policy in case something does happen like hit a stick, the animal moves a few inches. Or the human part comes in and the shot selection is good and the shot is just off a couple/few inches. It happens. Looking forward to this upcoming season.
The thing I loved the most about this video was the tethrd saddle ad. The ending video war cry was good 🤣!
Always good to see Greg in front of the camera.
Been rewatching the older deer tours. Can't wait for summer scouting to start soon!
This stuff almost has me feeling reborn. Good stuff guys.
We want an update on the deer tour please mention if n when you guys will be in Nodak this year nothing like the THP getting it done ✅ in your own home state plus most of my favorite UA-cam hunters are there in camp each year remember we got velvet bucks 9/3/021 your only chance is that opening first few days by the end of the 1st week of September the bucks are shed out already
Let’s go deer tour 2021 season
Clear and concise information. Thats why i watch this channell. Not to mention the spectacular footage.
What, no wedding vedio?
All of a sudden my blood pressure dropped my sweating stopped and my shaking stopped got my fix you guys are my brothers from another
I had my first experience with a quartering to shot and hitting the shoulder with a light arrow. I should’ve waited for a better shot. The deer survived luckily and I had him on camera all winter.
I’m going to a heavier arrow setup (plan B) but I’m thankful for the reminder to be patient and wait for a more broadside shot.
If you wait for that 20 yd completely broadside leg forward ect ect .you'll miss alot of opportunities ,now that being said you have to be confident in your setup and your skill level if you don't have that then don't shoot ,.
I've got a heavy setup. I don't see myself shooting a frontal. A clear quartering to? Yes. Really good breakdown.
Soild video boys, never disappoint. Always educational as hell! Appreciate the bow hunting knowledge.
Those frontal shots need to be practiced before attempting on a live animal I think 🤔 most people aren’t honest about their shooting me personally will stick with a broadsided shot always but knowing that with the right set up and practice you at least have more options in your arsenal now thanks for the THP honesty but I say again each bow hunter needs to know his or her abilities with their setup and always set your stand for a broadside shot if you can and don’t ever feel bad if you have to let one walk it’s the right thing to do we all have had bucks walk at some point in hunting for me it’s the chess match not the kill that excites me just to know I beat that deer 🦌 that day even if he doesn’t take a ride in my truck 🛻 I know I punched his number that day great 👍 video that’s why I support THP
I hunt with my dad's old bow, probably 10yrs or so anyway. He got it new back in 92ish. The shop set him up with state of the art Easton arrows in 1992, haha, with 140gr 3 side heads and like you said loaded heavier at the tip. I took it an Amish guy who has a bow shop, that's his business, and ask if he'd just go over it and new sights and tune. It hadn't been in years. I went back to get it and he said he hadn't seen that heavy of a head in years. He asked if I hunt bear with it. I said no, but I really didn't realize the heads were that heavy. I still don't know how many gr the entire set up is, I'd imagine with those old arrows it's probably between 550 and 625. Needed new fetching as well. My dad and I both are big frame guys and he said the pull was at 85lbs. I really never new any different till lately, I knew the trend was to go to light and fast, always interested in that but never seen a reason to spend the money and make the switch. I, like everyone else, never purposely took a shot knowing I was going to hit bone because I didn't want to take a chance. I know it has broken them and continued on through. Oh, and I don't take shots really much over 35yds maybe 40. Not that I can't, but I just had fear that the deer would hear it and have too much time to react and I wound him.
Fantastic video. It's definitely easy to get overconfident in your setup, especially when you spend so much time and money on it and then you only have limited opportunities to take a shot. You really want to believe you can make every shot. Thanks for the reminder that some shots aren't worth taking, and for letting us learn from your experiences.
Great info! I've used the heavy arrows out of my longbow for years, but, I too am very picky about when to shoot. Less venison in my life, but the meat, when I do get one, is sweeter!
Love this video, it’s definitely a big help!
I run magnus black hornets, 450 grain arrows with 150 up front. Devastating. I don't ground hunt like you guys, but can confirm they go through shoulders with 27" draw 65lbs elite energy bow. I used to use rage, and they worked, till they didn't. I feel so much more confident shooting at the vital V now. Its amazing that the deer i shoot with magnus, while they leave a slightly less blood trail ( still amazing), go far less distance than a rage broadhead kill. They act like a wild horse when hit with a rage.
Great video guys! I was presented with a frontal shot last year bow season in Wisconsin. The deer was 20 yards walking slowing and closing in on me. I had cleared some branches and brush, so the deer was wide open. I had to make the split second decision on whether I could make the shot. I aimed just right of center and the arrow penetrated what sounded like some ribs (it was loud) and ended up in the top of the heart. The deer took off and took a tumble, then ran about 100 yards out of sight. It was getting dark so I had to wait until the next day to find it. Thanks God I didn't continue searching for it in the dark. I would have just bumped the deer out of the area.
Overall it was a good learning experience. I've been hunting for 26 years. I've never taken a frontal shot before and I've never had to leave a deer overnight before. That was hard. But in the end, I learned some things that I'll take with me forever.
Drew back on a beautiful 8 point last night 15 yards quartering to me at the bait pile. I waited 10 minutes to get a better shot placement, fingers cold and arms fatigued I let off and the lower cam made a slight noise on the climber. Buck took off. Glad I didn't make a poor shot, but it was a difficult walk back to the cabin.
Thanks for the update, very helpful information.
My set up, 543 grains last year blew through several shoulder blades no problem. 650 grains this year. Kudu Contour broad heads. Those cutthroats broadheads look really great too.
Ive been playing in the ranch fairy dust. Ive found it to work out well. Less afraid of the shoulder now. Still wont take stupid shots. Itll be ok guys. Just relax. Learn the physics and run with Dr. Ashby's fundmentals. Practice practice practice. And most of all, throw the mechanicals away. Youre going to be fine.
Thanks for the great explanations.
the heavier broadheads used to be quite popular and regularly used...Good info.
Nice to see more compound shooters using heavier more lethal arrows. Recoverying animals is the game that matters and increasing your chances in doing that is all we can do. Heavier and boneproof arrow is a must. My current setup is 910 grains, 34.2% FOC, long external footing, Tuffhead 300 with a 70# Black Widow recurve. I have been using this basic setup for about 11 years now. It blows up everything it hits, any bone from stem to stern. I like to stay tight to the shoulder area, whether an angled to shot or broadside shot. That decreases the gut shot as much as possible while blowing thru any bone getting to the plumbing in front of heart. If you build your arrow properly and boneproof, you do not need to shy from the best kill shots in front of the animal where the arteries are big.
Arrow ballistic science is in a new era and is on a permanent upswing in technology and hardware. Never before experiences are the new normal.
The frustration & regret at a bad shot is what you should feel. It means you care........i was looking at the Tenn. doe shot with the red dot. I would of aimed 1/2 way between the red dot & the center (brisket) line. = Double lungs & heart, nothing but ribs in the way. I've made it at least once with XX78s.
But, the same shot straight on is a one lung shot. The center punch shots are new to me. But, I can see the heart, veins & arteries being cut too. Except for that shot, aim for the exit.
Feathers can help deflection, a little in the back. But, not in the front. Although, I'd still keep those quartering to shots below 30 yards & in the clear. Great video guys!
Great video guys!! Good info!
I did he math several years ago. With regard to momentum, you cannot substitute speed for weight. You can’t safely lighten your arrow enough to produce the speed momentum to compare with momentum by weight. I immediately went to an 80# draw with 500 gr arrows. After watching your show, I will be going to a cut on contact this year.
Shot my biggest buck threw a hole in a tree at 8 yds. The small leaves covered the branch. My arrow cut the branch in half and Deflected from the shoulder to the gut. I found the deer but not till 5 days later. Made me sick! I hate making a bad shot. Great video guys!! People need to hear this stuff!!
I took a risky shot last fall. Mind you, I hunt with a rifle not bow, but I am really not confident outside my 100 yard sighted range. I have also only been hunting for two years at that point. I finally snuck up on a whitetail after a spot and stalk for about a km and found him in a small bush at the bottom of a draw at about 30 yards. Unfortunately, he saw me as well. He was standing broadside but had thick brush/trees covering everything except his shoulder to head. I knew if he was going to move from that spot it wasn't going to be slow. I haven't ever made the decision to go for anything other than heart and lung before but while I was looking at him I remembered a video I watched on high shoulder shots. I was super nervous but was confident with the range. My first ever deer to drop on the spot (not that my other two ran far either). Not sure I would take that shot again unless I had no other choice or a couple more years of experience under my belt.
Thank you for these videos. Mistakes don’t become failures until you fail to learn from them. How can we learn if people don’t talk about the mistakes?
Great video and needed as some might feel their arrow setup would justify some poor judgement on shot angles.
I just changed setups this past fall because of an incident with my buddy few yrs back almost losing a nice buck cause of a light arrow setup. And I made a terrible shot on a 19 1/2 in 8 point this past fall. He was chasing a doe and moved on me at release and I hit him to far back quartering away hard. Because I went heavy I was able to get enough penetration to kill that buck. Had I still been with our previous setups I wouldnt of killed him. So glad I listened to yall and troy. And I'm glad y'all are preaching ethical hunting. That's something that all youth need to be taught. 4h is am awesome tool
On a frontal shot within 10 yards I recommend shooting mid neck dead center of the neck. I killed 150 inch whitetail on a hand held decoy setup. It cut his windpipe, both neck arteries, and paralyzed him. Again 10 yards and in, him not moving, looking at you. He collapsed and then expired in less than 5 seconds. I was able to see the outline of his wind pipe and aimed right on the crease. He was slightly angled two his right, my left, so I aimed at his left side of his oesophagus. Do what you feel comfortable with, good luck.
Even bullets deflect through brush, I only take shots on coyotes through brush with a gun, brush will deflect anything. Even buckshot. Im confident in my 650 set up but brush is bad
great Video!! And great advice, don't try to take a "risky" shot but things don't always go right. Wait for close range, use a heavy set up to drive it home and beyond.
I am shooting a 548 grain arrow at 316 fps (121 ft pounds of energy)
my "heavy" set up is 800 grains at 264 fps, nearly identical energy output.
I'm shooting 730g total arrow weight. 265g tuffhead single bevels, 250 spine blackeagle carnivores. My bow is so quite with heavier arrows.
Bought a 50 acre cattle farm in Winston county alabama i am so pumped to deer hunt it ! North woods Bama Bucks
Got a new divergent EKO last month, ordering ranch fairy’s arrow kit next. Can’t wait to get back in a tree
I shot at my first buck with a bow last year hit him in the exact same spot with a 400 grain setup with a rage hypodermic and got about 3 inches of penetration. 150 class ten pointer woulda been my first bow buck. I'm switching to a cut on contact and high foc this year for sure.
gotsta know your limitations! competence, gun, crossbow, longbow, . . . thank you friends.
Getting me all fired up.
With my setup I’m not scared to shoot an elk at 50 in the shoulder. Just over 600 grains cut on contact Annihilator broadhead and 76 lbs. now I just have to find an elk
Took a 12 yard shot at one quartered to last season, my cam hit my tree stand and threw my shot off. Ended up going through chest and out the offside shoulder (I believe). Tracked blood for hours and eventually lost blood and never found it 😭
Feel ya I lost one to last year but I knew better but this year I put up some blockading on the trail to direct the deer so I can get a broadside shot this time
I wasn't taught to take hero or zero shots !
I was taught the patience of waiting for the right shot and if I didn't get it , I still had the story. I come from an old line of archery hunters and Fred handed me my 1st bow. TS
Can't wait to watch THP's version of Aaron's Elk hunt.
My X Impact hunting arrows finish out at 421 grains with a 80 grain outsert and 100
Grain fixed 3 blade Exodus broadhead.
Been using this set up for a few years.
I have zero penetration issues.
I will never use a expandable Broad head!
Those are designed for bows that are not tuned 100% correctly.
I’ve seen way too many things go wrong with expandable BH.
I am playing around with the Iron Will broadheads at the moment.
I may be switching to them for next season
This is terrific advise. Good to think about before that moment of truth. Thanks THP
Reading some of the comments we see how much THP practices shooting archery 🏹 but wish Aaron would have stressed more on the fans practicing good video regardless I’m starting this week so if anything need fixed on my bow now is the best time to hit the archery shop give them guys at scheels something to do in Fargo ND
I made the switch 6 years ago because the mechanical didn’t penetrate far enough. Another thing to watch for is arrow speed really slows down on a long shot, I’m shooting 743 grain setup with 32” draw length 64 pounds 30 yards is my maximum distance because of the drop. Hey you folks keep up the excellent footage ✌🏻👍🇺🇸
Excellent video guys. Thank you for presenting these real world experiences.
15:15-15:33. THE MOST IMPORTANT WORDS IN THIS VIDEO! WIDE OPEN, HEAVY HEAVY ARROW SET UP, CUT ON CONTACT, CLOSE RANGE, LONG DRAW LENGTH, HEAVY POUNDAGE!!! Can't be stressed enough. MOST hunters I know do not shoot anywhere near this energy because they opt for more speed and less critical distance judgement. (ranging estimation forgiveness). This is a GREAT video, one of THP's BEST as long as what they are saying is NOT mis-understood. They are advocating shooting through bones ONLY as a "PlanB" and ONLY with a set up that is extremely high energy. Most set ups I know of do not have enough energy to "cut off the top of the humerus".
Can’t wait! Can you guys do a video or add it to one of your videos a short film on when hunting new property what are some things you look at on ONX before scouting?
Great video! But the higher the number goes on a arrow acually means its lighter and more flexible. I shoot a 300 spine arrow with fixed broad heads I have a 31 1/12" draw length. And a 80lbs bow. Good luck this season I really enjoy your videos they keep me motivated when I go out and come back empty handed lol.
I started last (my second at 54years old) season with 450ish arrow, 125 grain Magnus Black Hornet. I hit a buck in the scapula at about 15 yards (55lbs), buried the head about 4 inches, broke the head off the arrow and that's the last time I saw him. Followed the blood trail the following day, several globs of blood then nothing. I watched the RF vids and redid my setup to 605 grain arrow but I didn't have any chances the rest of the season. Looking forward to getting out again.