Heated Grips for the Speed Twin // Koso Apollo install & assessment
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- Опубліковано 11 лют 2021
- I recently got some Koso Apollo heated grips and put them on my 2019 Triumph Speed Twin so that I can ride all year without my hands freezing off. In this video, I'll go over why I picked them over some of the other options out there, and walk you through my experience with the installation process. I also make one or more attempts at "comedy." Here's where you can buy the Koso Apollo heated grips: amzn.to/3b1qbB2
I am in no way affiliated with Koso North America, but here's their website: kosonorthamerica.com/
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Here's where you can buy the Koso Apollo heated grips: amzn.to/3b1qbB2
Classic...I love your warts and all styles😂😂. Very honest👍
I just ordered my “official triumph mallet” hahaha
You really stepped up the storytelling for this one, nice job! Love this channel, keep it up!
Also you’re definitely gonna use them more than just in the winter, I use mine *ALL* year at various times!
Thank you! The crazy thing about the Triumph mallet is that it costs $stealitfromyouruniversity'sutilitycloset.99, which I think is way overpriced.
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Interesting video, well made. I fitted the Oxford grips to my Bonneville here in the UK a few months ago ready for winter. They were very easy to do, just a little effort sanding down the throttle grip. Big plus point is the motion sensor in the control unit which shuts everything down after about 60 seconds if you did forget to switch them off. Keep the content coming and ride safe!
I really enjoyed this video! You come across really natural and relaxed on the camera where this could have been painful to watch, you pulled it off nicely. Good job!
Thank you!
I'm genuinely surprised that I've only just stumbled across your channel. Your production is really well done and you give a very detailed review. Excellent job and keep up the great work!
Thanks, glad you found me!
What a timing! Was really looking for proper heated grips with integrated controls. Looking forward to your long(er) term experience!
Great video, enjoy the content! I literally just installed my Triumph heated grips yesterday and I already love them, especially how they integrate into the bike seamlessly. As you mentioned, they are a little pricey, but I did buy them 10% off so that wasn’t too bad. Ride safe!
Top tip Honda sell a grip glue which takes 30 mins or so to go off. I've used it many times with excellent results.
Thanks! Yeah I should have known the glue they threw in wouldn't be the ideal product for the job.
Great video thank you we all run into those types of problems when we're doing some type of repairs or modifications. Seeing you have those problems makes me feel normal.
Hah, glad I'm not alone. Thanks!
excellent video......love the humor...!!!
I bought the Koso Appolo grips last week & they'll go on my 2022 MT07 soon....I don't have room on my bars for a controller, so these Koso are perfect for me....
Nice! I think they'll be a great match for your bike
I remember umm-ing & ahh-ing when I got my first bike as to whether I should get heated grips or not and thankfully I did because, Oh my god, never again will I have a bike without them!
Their use in winter is obvious but I actually found them useful on some summer evenings too which sounds surprising but here in the UK the summer days can get pretty hot but as soon as the sun goes down the temperature plummets (relatively speaking). So you can go out on a ride on a beautiful summer's afternoon with your thinnest gloves on because it's 30°C *but* by the time you get home it's starting to get dark and it's now 14°C and your hands are starting to really feel it!
Thankfully once you have heated grips there's no advance preparation needed and you don't need to remember to bring anything with you on your ride; if your hands are starting to get cold you just pop them on and you're golden!
Yeah, I'm finding I use them even more often than I expected. I live in DC, which is only cold for about 3 weeks a year (humid and sweaty the rest of the time), but I'm about to go back out to the Rocky Mountains, where even in summer it can approach freezing at night. These will definitely be getting some use out there.
Really well made video mate - love your humour too.
Thanks!
Loving the fresh style of video man. Well done :-)
Heard about these a while back and like the fair price point and features. Going to order up a pair for my Tenere 700 here in central VA. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Hahaha! I love the suspense! Great editing skills.
Thanks for a complete install with some great tips and a review to boot! Koso Appolo does NOT give grip install instructions only wiring instructions!! Very entertaining as well! I’m wiring mine in a Fuze Block on switched side, so no chance of battery drain on my Honda NC700X.
Thanks! You're definitely doing it right.
My Triumph Scrambler came with factory grips already installed. Use mine year round.Loved the narration.
Nice. Which Scrambler model?
@@VanBlamm 1200 XE . I ride a lot of gravel back roads in New England and this bike is great for it. If I rode mostly pavement then I would get the Speed Twin all the way.
Very informative - bonus points for being so entertaining!
As usual, fatnastic video, extremely entertaining. I was actually NOT familiar with that brand, they look fantastic! Be safe and keep riding!
Thanks! Who knows, maybe I'll get into heated jackets next...
4C Celsius is about.....40 degrees is the lowest that you would ride? Man, my bottom line kept going down .....and down.....and finally bottomed out at 15 degrees Fahrenheit. That's COLD. I can still do it but now more things come at play such as tire temperature and grip. I perfectly understand why 40 degrees is your bottom line. The only reason why I did it for the last 2 years, on a daily basis, is because of Covid risk with mass transit, parking issues which severely limited my options. I even rode in light snow. Now.....that's where I really drew the line. It was outright dangerous.
By the way, excellent video, thank you for saving us from horrendous music and theatrics.
Speaking of being cheap......I'm on the fence deciding which grips to get, hence watching your video. My Moto Guzzi integration requires re-learning the throttle position, the grips are 3 times more expensive than Koso AND I really don't want to go through TFT dash menus just to turn the damn things on while freezing. Thank you for mentioning the caveat of battery drain if forgotten on, there are ways around it. The installation of a relay, very inexpensive, can solve this problem. Tearing the motorcycle apart to connect in the TFT and special connectors usually requires stripping the bike down. If you're going straight to to the battery.....that's usually a much easier task.
Cheers, ride safely.
Respect! 40 is my limit for riding for fun, but I'll ride colder than that if I need to. I just seldom need to.
In your case it sounds like aftermarket grips are a way better option than the integrated ones!
Just put the on my mt 07 they are great for still 30 degree weather in iowa. Great video.
Got these on my Suzuki here in the UK Had to order from USA but I personally like these more than the Oxford as they have the control buttons intergrated and look bang tidy ! Not quite as hot as the Oxfords get but near enough. Been on about a 14months and had no issues at all. 👍
Hilarious stuff! It's always a blast to watch your videos, true labour of love, one can tell!
Love this channel...
But mate, razor blades & super glue are NO-NO's when it comes to handlebar-grips. Don't you watch REVZILA's tutorials?! ah ah ah
A screw-driver, some WD-40 and 5 seconds on each grip, and you're good to go!
Now you'll never get those out of there without going back to the scalpel... GOD WISH you'll never need to.
Stay safe, have fun, keep on riding and sharing!
Best regards from PORTUGAL 🇵🇹 🇺🇸
Thank you! Unfortunately, these grips have a rigid core, so there's no way to slip a screwdriver under there. But you're right, there are probably much better choices than super glue 😬
🤣😅 good stuff, you're going to love the motone xpipe
Great video, enjoying your content. If you have an air compressor they work great for taking grips off and installing new ones.
really really good vid! thanks for the good information!
Grips look good...entertaining vid bud, soon as I saw the superglue I knew what to expect lol.....hopefully you'll need to install a relay as I reckon that'll be fun to watch!
Me doing anything wiring related is a nightmare lol
I can't even imagine how long it must have taken to record and edit all that... and then only 10k views... you have my sub dude.
I've done much worse, haha. Thanks!
I first thought this was a Fortnine video because of the style of it and not to mention the great quality
Thanks for the video. I’ve got the Triumph heated grips on my Speedy. I agree with the positive things you say about them - but here’s the thing - they’re not very warm! In fact despite the cost they’re borderline useless. I’ve fitted oxfords in previous bikes which are very warm. I thought I’d treat my self this time and go for the sleeker Triumph look. The Oxford controller looks a bit clunky but the system works really well. I didn’t know about Apollo - I really like the integrated switch so I’ll look out for them next time.👍
Oh that's interesting that they're not very warm. Level 4 on the Koso grips is scorching; I'll probably use it sparingly and only in the chilliest of conditions, otherwise the glue might melt.
Amazing quality, very funny, thank you.
I had a hard time deciding between heated grips and heated gloves. I went with heated gloves, since thus far I haven't kept a bike for all that long, and it gives me the ability to use them on any bike (they are the Highway 21 Radiant gloves, which are battery powered). So far I'm pretty happy with them! If I were to install heated grips though, I'd agree with your choice - the Koso's are much cleaner without a separate controller.
That's actually a great point about heated gloves. Perhaps I'll invest in a pair if my fleet ever starts to expand.
Helpful info; much thanks 🙏🏽
To change grips on my mountain bike i use rubbing alcohol - provides a good amount of lubrication but also dissipates quickly, meaning it doesn’t get trapped under the grip like water could. I think it could also work with motorcycle grips. If i do go with heated grips on my ST, i will probably spring for the OEM grips.
Great review. Usually that loads are connected to the accesories connector available on the motorcycles. I think Triumph may be equipped with those ACC connector that are unpowered when the bike is turn off. Another tip, Those grips turn off when voltaje is below 12 volts or so.
I bought the original one when buying the bike, i ride my bike in winter until they throw salt on the road, and love them👍
Fist of all your videos are really great, you should have more subs & likes. Solid editing, informative, and entertaining. Like that you included your flaws but also the corrective solution)
I am riding a Street Twin-17 with Triumph OEMs. I live in Norway and I still get cold on my fingers after 40min at 43 deg. (6deg. C). I have not found a good solution yet.
I am planning on upgrading to 65HP Street Twin, T120 or Speed Twin. (thy all have advantages and disadvantages..)
Cheers
Thank you! After making this video I heard a few people say that the OEM grips just don't get as warm as the aftermarket ones, which is a shame. Can't go wrong with any of those three bikes!
I installed some cheap $20 Chinese grips. They worked okay, but the switch was a little shorty. Installed Kosos on my new KTM 390 Adventure. The bike comes with accessory plugs so mine only work when the bike is on. I like them so much I'm installing a set on my Harley. The Harley grips are brutally expensive like the Triumph ones. Heated are especially practical when you're out for a fall ride and after sundown things get cool. I don't carry my heated Gerbings gloves with me unless on a long trip in the north country, and attaching the wiring is annoying. So, heated grips FTW, good in moderately cold temps, above freezing. Anything colder really needs electric gloves, jacket, lined pants.
I have the Triumph OEM heated grips - I managed to get them installed by the dealer for £100/$139 as part of the deal. One negative with the Triumph grips is that they have only two settings: low or high. A plus is that the heat setting is displayed in the instrument binnacle.
That is a cool feature. In retrospect, I kind of wish I'd asked the dealer to install the OEM ones when I was buying the bike, as that would have made them a much better value.
@@VanBlamm you'll be glad you didn't, I have them, they don't get very hot.
It's funner and more adventurous to ride out there.
It's a different kind of traveling, for sure. Someday I'll save up enough vacation time and hotel money to tour the US on a motorcycle via the back roads (not the freeway). Ideally on something a little more comfy than my Speed Twin.
I have 509 snowmobile mitts for now. Hopefully I’ll get a pair of these grips on within a season or two. 2011 Tiger 800 XC
Very informative but also very humorous. Although I'm not interested in heated grips at all. :-)) I am always enthusiastic about your clips 👍🖐️
Hah thanks!
Hadn't heard of the Koso heated grips before, so checked the price here in the UK. The cheapest I could find them here was on Ebay at £97 incl delivery from the States. The cheapest Oxford ones were £48 with free delivery ( I guess that's because they're a British Company ) The Koso ones look better as there is no separate controller, but the Oxford ones, as well as being much cheaper, also have the advantage of switching themselves off a couple of minutes after you turn off the ignition, so you don't end up with a flat battery if/when you forget to turn them off manually when you walk away from the bike.
I didn't know that about the Oxfords. That's definitely another point in their favor.
I'm sure the Koso have that feature as well 👍
Great video! Make sure you use grip glue instead of superglue next time, doesn’t dry so quick!
I’m a big fan of heated grips. Work great for those cold mornings or if you get stuck out in weather you were not expecting. I would have went OEM though. When the grips wear down or fail you might end up having to replace your throttle tube with the other brands. In the end you don’t save money going cheap. The extra money is worth it for the seem-less integration. At the end of the day it’s $250 on a $10-12k bike. I would just save a little longer and get the good ones.
Although these grips are still working out for me, I now wish I'd gone OEM. This will come up in future videos.
Helpful and entertaining! I’m in the process of installing a pair on my KTM adventure. Using super glue scares me but not sure what else to use given the hard plastic sleeves these grips have.
A lot of people have recommended hairspray! Sufficiently sticky, but dries slower and is easier to work with. Good luck!
i am pretty sure this has low-voltage protection built in. which means they turn off when it detects a voltage getting too low. to prevent them from draining the battery.
I have the Whites Adv heated grips which come from the same factory as the Koso version. The grips shut off heating is voltage is 13.5VDC for 5 seconds or greater. You should not have to splice as most modern bikes have at least one or two +12VDC accessory connections behind the headlight or under the seat area near the battery.
12:15 - The Koso Apollo grips should not drain the battery. They sense the voltage and disconnect before depleting the battery.
There are also five temperature settings, not four. Off, 20%, 40%, 60%, 80% and 100%. Maximum current draw is 2.2 amps.
Thanks for this!
@@VanBlamm - Thank you for the video! I've been logging four hours a day for the last two days and at least another day to go. I'm doing a few electrical upgrades to my BWM G310GS, and the Apollo heated grips are killing me. The wiring is fairly trivial but in stark violation of the sparse instructions, I'm forced to modify parts to make them fit. It'll be a nice installation when it's finished, but I doubt I'll ride enough in colder weather to make the pain and suffering worthwhile. :-)
I should make a video to help other G310GS owners, but it'd probably just be me saying "DON'T" for ten minutes. Any installation video would be rated R for extreme creative profanity. Even after your warning about the crazy glue, I had my own fiasco. I think cyanoacrylics were invented by Satan. I've never had a positive experience with CA adhesives and more than my share of unmitigated disasters.
Need to be standard on every bike !
Even at 50° my hands will get cold
But I drive an old Beamer so they’ve been on that tip since the 90’s
I’d never ever buy another bike without them and I live in southeast Texas.
Thank you for making this video! I’m in the middle of installing these grips and an Atlas throttle lock on my Vstrom 650xt and can’t figure out how I will get the left grip on. I’ve tried WD-40, dish soap, chain cleaner(maybe this dissolved the insides making it worse?) and I’m terrified to use the supplied superglue. Your video gave me a brief moment of peace and laughter which is just what I needed.
Thanks! I will say that the superglue only stayed together for a few months, and now I can twist the grip around on the handlebar. It takes some effort and doesn't happen accidentally, but the glue definitely isn't holding. A lot of folks suggest using hairspray instead of glue or grease, maybe that will help you?
I wound up taking the bike to a local shop for advice and they sprayed both the grip and the handlebar with a Honda spray adhesive let it dry overnight and then they put alcohol on both and pushed it straight on with a great deal of force and two people.I can’t see how people can do this themselves without pounding it which you’re not supposed to do. But it’s on it works and I’m glad I got them.
After my local place installing the left grip successfully I took it on myself to superglue the right grip into the throttle tube. The supplied glue stayed liquid for 5 minutes as I put so much on it ran onto my jeans. I could see it still liquid in the gap at the end between the throttle tube and grip so I had the idea of using some clothesline to constrict the two together tightly while it dried. After 7 minutes it was dry and I took the rope off. The throttle tube was now stuck. Glue had gotten between the tube and handlebar. I paid the dealer to take the throttle off and clean up the hardened glue and it works well again. What a project!
Yeesh, what an ordeal! I hope you get plenty of use out of them.
You could have purchased a throttle tube for your bike and then it would be a breeze to install these grips. Also, the majority of bikes have the heated grips as an option, so I usually wire the aftermarket ones to the same connector and re-use the OEM wiring and fuses.
I am on 1/3 of the video.... and already thinking you should earn more views :)!
Thank you!
Bicycle shops often use hairspray to put grips onto handlebars as it is slimey and acts as a lubricant when wet and then dries like a glue, you also get a bit more time to work with it. The hairspray is usually sprayed into the grips and not onto the bars. I wonder ifanyone has tried doing this when mounting motorcycle grips?
I have since heard several people say they use hairspray for installing heated grips on motorcycles! One of many things I wish I'd considered before starting...
Great as always! A question I’ve always had with heated grips without those muffs or bark busters, is my hands seem most cold on the outside from the wind, so does heating the palm side help mitigate that?
I actually wondered the same thing, but so far they've kept my hands warm inside & out
Nice, thanks! A 2019 Speed Twin just came available at my local dealer, so hoping to take it out for a test ride along with the T120, and Scrambler 1200. Hope to have a decision made by summer. Did you ride the other two by chance? I think TMF is dropping a comparison video shortly as well so hopefully that can help...
I have not had the chance to ride those other two. Hopefully someday I'll have the same access to test bikes that he does!
It’s a strange one because you lean towards wearing winter gloves which keeps the back warmer but insulates your palm from the heat. I installed the Oxford on my Tiger800 and they do get bloody hot if you crank them up! Still get cold finger tips unless you keep a tight grip.
You missed the fact that although the Oxford Grips are directly wired to the battery they have an auto sensing battery voltage controller which will switch them off if you accidentally leave them on. Leave your Koso Apollos on just once and get left with a flat battery and suddenly they won't look like good value.
I actually later learned that the Koso grips have that feature too. Although I have since wired them to the taillight to avoid the issue altogether.
@@VanBlamm nice one. Super video editing 👍
I've been emailing various companies to ask whether they sell hand-guards for the Speed Twin. All have said no so far, even for their universal fit items. My thinking was to deflect the wind off the back of the hand, as the grip only heats the palm.
That's not a bad idea, and I'm sure it would make a difference. However, I've been surprised to find that these grips keep my hands warm through & through. Maybe my knuckles would still get cold after a long stretch on the highway in chilly weather, but so far so good.
Nice video. How does that little led knop sticking out feels aginst your hand? Is this one or the Oxford.
It doesn't disturb my hand at all
Hi
Can you tell me what the outside diameter of the grips is?
Thanks
Lol my ass don't ride when it is sub 50, shit, I don't want to ride in sub 60 degrees. I live in south alabama. Yall got some serious balls, to ride in snow.
50 is my favorite temperature to ride in. It's the curse of loving motorcycles while being a really sweaty person.
I know the video is from a little while back, but what gloves do you wear in this video?
Rev'It Boxer H2O. Absolutely love them, they've gotten me through countless miles of truly wretched conditions. They've since been succeeded by the Boxer 2, which I'm sure are just as good.
one downside of my oxford heated grips - it takes some time (around10 minutes) to be fully heated, even some cheap chinese heated grips work faster.
what temperature does the grip get to on the highest setting?
I don't know the grip's temperature in degrees, but on its hottest setting you will still get a little bit of warmth riding on the highway at 32°F (0°C)
Where do you live? Northern US?
I've read in a vendor website that they are not for electronic throttle, ride by wire. But your bike has an electronic throttle right? So it would not be an issue?
The Speed Twin definitely has an electronic throttle
Where in VA are you located?
This was in Fairfax but I'm in DC now
Are those mirrors OEM?
In this video, yes they are. I have since switched to CRG lanesplitters
long screw driver down handle bar and inside of grip , poor some warm water, remove screwdriver , pull grip off ,. super glue is brittle and in the not to distant future will fail from temp change and twist .
We'll see... I'll definitely make a video about it if it does, lol. Also, these heated grips have a rigid core, so there was no way to slip anything under there.
Glues not even really necessary