2 stroke diesels are very common. I got a detroit 8v92 v8 2 stroke turbo out back to tinker with. I just blew about 96$ for 3 gallons of BRP XD-100 Etec oil on sale at walmart to top it off.
I dont care how much it cost factory maid with warranty and reliability in mind pump gas win win I've been waiting for this for 5 years 2020 is a great time to be alive!!!
@@calebm.5698 yeah i live in northern BC canada and by the time they mark them up on top of the canadian dollar they get carried away. My old boss bought himself a G4 and his kid. I saw the bill for them and they were 23k
I think i got one of those on my 8v92 silver 2 stroke detroit diesel. Its got a ceramic/graphite bushing bearing witch run little or no oil. Its a Garret turbo. I blew my leaf blower thru it one day with the engine not running and did this for a few minutes, it spun up like hell and did not harm it! it still spins with the flick of my finger!
It will actually have way less belt wear because the engine put out the same HP all the time. When you set up a regular sled for mountain use, most set it up so it has the rated rpm at the highest elevation. So what happens when you ride at low elevation? Yep, it overrev, and you blow belts...
Couldnt agree more. I want a new sled so bad but my family is more important. First pickup trucks now our toys lol. Guess i will keep riding my '11 m8 lol
While not exactly cheap, you can still buy a low end budget model. Sure, the high end models are pricey, but you're getting a whole lot of technology, durability and capability that wasn't attainable at any price not too long ago.
Make your own from a wrecked. Sled. Just got to wait till spring. If you want newer motor. Go dirt hill climb street bike. Hella fun. 4 Wheeler. Mini bike.? World's your oyster.
Hey rotax can you scale it up to a 800 CID inline 6. Here is a cummins OP 2 stroke:ua-cam.com/video/Mfy05zqn324/v-deo.html, that 1000 CID of 2 stroke power, my 8v92 2 stroke detroit is 736 CID
Would be cool to see an addition of an octane/e85 sensor for increased power with race gas, and maybe an aerocharger-style snow/air intercooler. I'm excited to see how well this engine holds up.
It will be nice to tweet that so it’s on boost all the time. Still very cool to see ski doo come out with this. I’m curious to try it and try it in corked
SKI-DOO RULES AND EVERYONE ELSE DROOLS!!! This is why SKI-DOO is #1 in market share and will remain the leader because the best never rest! I Blew By You on my SKI-DOO!!! I love the fact I ride the best snowmobiles on the plantet.
Dagus85 good for poo, I don’t ride in the mountains but if I did I think the New 850 E-Tec Turbo would be a great choice! I love my SKI-Doo Renegade XRS 800 E-TEC
For a number of years now, Ski-Doo has been proceeding in order to bring perfection to the crudely conceived idea of a turbo that would not only supply inverse reactive current for use in unilateral phase detractors, but would also be capable of automatically synchronizing snowmobiles. Such an instrument is the Ski-Doo turbo. Now basically the only new principle involved is that instead of power being generated by the relative motion of conductors and fluxes, it is produced by the modial interaction of magneto-reluctance and capacitive diractance. The original machine had a base plate of pre-famulated amulite surmounted by a malleable logarithmic casing in such a way that the two spurving bearings were in a direct line with the panametric fan. The latter consisted simply of six hydrocoptic marzlevanes, so fitted to the ambifacient lunar waneshaft that side fumbling was effectively prevented. The main winding was of the normal lotus-o-delta type placed in panendermic semi-boloid slots of the stator, every seventh conductor being connected by a non-reversible tremie pipe to the differential girdle spring on the “up” end of the grammeter. The Ski-Doo turbo has now reached a high level of development, and it’s being successfully used in the operation of snowmobiles. Moreover, whenever a forescent skor motion is required, it may also be employed in conjunction with a drawn reciprocation dingle arm, to reduce sinusoidal repleneration.
I have no use for a 4 joke stroke but to se how long they run on synthetic 2 stroke oil injected into them and run in multiple positions with Amsoil’s dominator 2 stroke oil
I would love to see the 850 Etec scaled op to a 890 CID 15L inline 6 for industrial applications burning natual gas or H2! Or how about an opposed piston 2 stroke 1700 made out of 2 850 rotax etec engines!
Now put this in a 850 renegade please! I love my 800 etec with my aftermarket turbo kit from Silber but I'd really love a new 850 with a factory turbo set up!
@@iixmarsxii4944 I understand that THIS 850 turbo set up doesn't affect it at sea level but that doesn't mean they can't make an 850 that actually has a turbo that works at sea level.
i dont think it would fit well because ita designed to boost the engine slowly the higher you get to maintain the 165 horsepower, not to actually boost the engine at sea level
With the electronic waist gate, assuming someone can crack into the ecu or “fool” some of the sensors a guy should be able to crank that sucker up a bit. Can’t wait to see what the aftermarket puts out
@@krocketonboost5236 Exactly, this is probably a 2-3 psi kit. Nothing but a gimmick, but hey, now the other brands gotta pull up something aswell so its a great start for the snowmobile industry to finally step in to the turbo 2 stroke segment.
@@abccba2344 I think it's less boost than that tbh. I do not doubt that it works as intended, but i'm pretty sure it needs modifications to hold more boost.
Can a 4 joke do better, there are many 2 stroke turbos that run at sea level and are reliable like 2 stroke turbo diesels, big bore sleds and some rotaries! I run nothing but amsoil dominator in my rotary, no oil to change as it run oil injection, I want to do this with my 8v92 2 stroke Detroit as Acates and Cummins are making OP 2 strokes with oil burn off, Fairbanks Morse OP 2 strokes do this, reliability is how you take care of it.
@@calebm.5698 nope,will stay the same and will only be available in the summit.if the aftermarket can break into the eco then yes it will be possible to
Yes,mine 2 i got an 8v92 2 stroke detroit turbo out back i got to work on. I would love to see this motor scaled up to ofer 500 CID 8.2 liters aned offered as a create motor. BTW Achates power is making OP 2 strokes for truck and cummins OP 2 stroke for the army. Electric motors are electromagnetic 2 strokes but they sound strange. Lightning bolts are 2 stroke as there is a down streamer and return stroke just like this rotax! The most powerful of these 2 stroke bolts are the positive bolt off the top of the cloud anvil!
2 stroke turbo is nothing new, look at 2 stroke Detroit diesel, EMD, Fairbanks Morse as well as many Toyota poppet valved loop charged 3JZ Supra 2 stroke conversions
@@nicholasokula8140 I understand that. But it still doesn't have a huge power increase. If ski doo put this engine in an xrs and it made 185hp boosted at sea level it would sell like crazy. It doesnt make any sense. You can bolt on a boondocker turbo for $3,000 on your current summit and make 200hp at 8,000 feet vs the 165 this factory turbo makes. Not to mention that $3,000 for an aftermarket turbo is probably going to be cheaper than the difference in price between a normal summit and a factory turbo summit.
Ryan Belland true but then again, if they slap a huge turbo on there’s a risk the engine might blow up and if the engines are blowing up across the nation that puts a bad name on ski doo. They have to focus on reliability aswell as power and that’s what they gave us.
@@nicholasokula8140 they didn't give you any power. They gave you the ability to keep making the stock 165hp up to 8,000 feet. I guess they didn't give it the ability to make more than 165hp because the 850 engine can't handle it. At least that is the conclusion I come to
@@Cummins2519 ppl running 850s boosted with over 250hp with no issues so dunno. But yeah i guess they want to keep it on a safe level. And keep in mind if u slap a turbo kit on u lose ur warranty.
@@drlhomeimprovements probably because Cat fucked all of us first year alpha buyers, by offering huge rebates after spring order. If I was to try and sell my used '19 alpha (which the track is falling apart) id loose my shirt. minimum $4000 loss if my track was like new which it isnt.
Well its not boosting huge because 2 strokes cannot have alot of positive manifold pressure because the intake and exhuast ports are open at the same time and the boost pressure is going inside the crankcase which would blow out the end seals.
That can all be redone as there are some sick 2 stroke turbos with well over 25 psi, look up Gus Bohne turbo and DNE performance on a 4 cylinger built 1700 rotax of well over 750 hp! My silver 8v92 detroit diesel turbo 2 stroke is not even this much its mild tuned at 475hp.
You could kx250up an exhaust trapping valve. It would take a 1:1 cam, 2 pushrods and rocker assembly, then fabricate a contoured valve that snugs around the exhaust port and goes up and down to shut up the exh port and allow a longer burn time/build boost. Boysen did this with a kx250 with 60% low end torque boost! You could take the cam, push rods, rocker out of a SB or BB chevy and cut them down to size and a small timing gear/belt/chain to the PTO or flywheel side of the 850 engine. then take it from there. You could fab the contoured exh valve out of stainless though.
E S this won’t be a big seller among mountain riders. You can buy a new non current sled of any make, put on an aftermarket pump gas turbo that makes 200hp at 5 psi boost for cheaper. Also you can easily turn it up to even 9psi on race gas.
Tyson Boser lol it will be a huge seller among mountain guys. New with warranty. Hard to beat. Funny guys said last year that the 900 turbo wouldn’t sell because it was only 150hp and it was one of the biggest sellers out there because the average guy looking for a trail sled 150 hp is perfect.
Yes indeed, i got to get my 8v92 silver 2 stroke turbo running out back. Her is a vw diesel 2 stroke conversion poppet valved loop charged:ua-cam.com/video/kot9GYBeCJ8/v-deo.html
So there's a little bit of back pressure in exhaust that doesn't change with elevation and that's how low altitude equivalent intake charge can be maintained? OK, fine.
Considering the X3 turbo R started at 157hp and is now pushing pretty much 200hp you can expect the power output to rise in the coming years. Ski-Doo are playing it safe by not converting the entire lineup to turbocharged engines just yet and probably also waiting to see how people are going to manage to break these before cranking the boost up.
That sounds like Diesel Doug who built a 6v53 2 stroke detroit diesel dragster in the 80"s. He detroked it from 318 CID to 270 CID and did 1800+ hp out of 270 CID v6 2 stroke insanity! Turboes, nitrous and methanol/ethanol injection.
ATC KID just get a kit form Speedwerx Arctic cat doesn’t know how to built engines only reason they have a good motor is cause it off a Suzuki engine.the Japanese they know how build great stuff they built the best motor in the Industry Yamaha srx best motor ever build in snowmobile history
So the skidoo 850s blow up and break all the time, so much that parts are back ordered till the end of riding season and now you have added a turbo to. Makes sense that it can only handle 165 hp.
Supercharged 2 stroke not a 4 joke, BTW can the 4 joke run on just oil injection with dry sump with total loss burn off with synthetic 2 stroke oil, let’s see and let the experiments begin?
@@MrThewheelsSome 2 strokes can wear out faster because of the pair production that happens inside of the. the anti electrons or positron annihilate the cylinder walls if you are not careful, 2 strokes are also thought sensitive as well and negative spirit energy can also cause wear if your energy is not nice or negative!
Well, software only tuning, basicaly no, not beyond changing target AFR. More boost would require a more restricted exhaust to create higher back pressure to keep the turbo from just blowing gas and air straight through while both ports are open.
OK, so more burnt gas would do the same (as far as the turbo is concerned) as restricting the exhaust, BUT you end up with higher density gas which changes expansion chamber tuning. So if I have my sound wave speed to density relation remembered right, you want a shorter chamber to keep the back pulse from letting too much gas from blowing through...
@@Marc_Wolfe If you are going along and you tip over with an 850 etc turbo, it is on a dry sump big oil jug with a pump feeding the journals with oil lone everywhere when i looked at one at a dealer, you probably have to kill the motor as the oil jug sump will have air near the suction line and starve the engine of oil pressure. That is the only thing that i would about and i heard it is a concern.
I don't see valves in the head to contain boost pressure; all this would do is allow you to run without an expansion chamber exhaust... which for some reason you kept on this. Bolt on marketing for people that don't understand the physics. "huhuh, it got uh terboh, turbo go brrrrrpfpfpfpf"
What say that again F1 is to a turbo 2 stroke, lots of big diesels like detroit, EMD and Fairbanks Morse OP giant 2 stroke and Achates power is on the OP 2 stroke kick for trucks. BTW here is a 4 joke vw converted to a poppet valved loop charge 2 stroke:ua-cam.com/video/kot9GYBeCJ8/v-deo.html
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Isn't it useless technology? 2 stroke engines have no cycle to compress air inside the cylinder, so how is it possible to turbocharged them? The extra pressure that is made by turbo will be thrown away through the exhaust hole. so we get an engine that does not create additional power, while burning more fuel, throwing it through the exhaust pipe. No extra efficiency is created, just more fuel burning.
The expansion chamber has already fixed your extra full problem. The computer tunes it all on the fly to be efficient. Yes, it's a pretty small increase and is more of a turbo normalizer as it doesn't increase hp, but just keeps it consistent as air gets thinner. I wouldn't buy one even if I had the money. Naturally aspirated would be enough for me, however, depending on how well this does, hopefully turbos may start coming on most sleds stock and competition reduces the price overall.
Many 2 stroke diesel have turbo, i got an 8v92 detroit turbo but there is 4 exhaust powervalves in the head and ports at the bottom, same for EMD. Another way is to make a poppet valved loop charged 2 stroke the exh opening a litle early for blow down the baffled intake valves open. this is commonly done on a toyota 3jz 3L inline 6 to make a valved 2 stroke with boos over 1000 hp for a suoped up version. Anothewr way to build boos is to use an exhaust trapping valve in the exh port. here is a VW 2 stroke valved 2 stroke conversion:ua-cam.com/video/kot9GYBeCJ8/v-deo.html
As someone said above me, just buy a turbo kit. That’s unfortunate you got an expert, it’s still a sick sled. The challenge is that the turbo uses a lightened crankshaft not used in the regular 850 so there is no way to make it a kit. Not to mention a different ecm and software
A friend of mine texted me about someone he knew that converted a Hyundai 4 cylinder into A poppet valved loop charged 2 stroke. He decided to make a dry sump with oil injection into intake with a VRO pump. Ran amsoil dominator 2 stroke oil and had a shit fit on why it burned 4 quarts with VRO to high flow rate rich, just turn it down with Klotz techniplate, silkolene pro 2 sx or castor 927 maxima! DIY 2 stroke conversions make some people crazy!
Good idea and cool to see from an oem! But no power increase over the n/a 850 is a dealbreaker (obviously except for some mountain riders). All that extra weight and complexity for basically nothing for flatlanders. It better have loads of torque down low. I don't understand why they couldn't bump up the power a bit. I guess their motor can't take it? It is a Rotax engine and not a Yamaha after all. zing! ;) I know there will probably be aftermarket support but it is not the same I think. I wanted to sell my Sidewinder when I started the video, then started laughing halfway through. I am thinking of switching to a 2 stroke but I will miss the turbo power too much. I wish someone made a modern 900-1000cc or turbo 2 stroke with 180-200hp+ for trail and backcountry ridding. Basically I want a lighter Sidewinder! Or at least an ace turbo with as much power as the Yamacat's. I hope Polaris takes note and does the obvious move to make a 2 stroke or 4 stroke monster! Or Yamaha, and it might actually last a few years! I can dream...
People running 250+ hp in 850s with no issues. I guess they want to play it safe tho. But there will be flashes for the ecu to make more power i will promise u that.
@@ES-pr8bt I agree 100% for high elevation 40hp is huge but closer to sea level it doesn't mean much. It's a big move by skidoo for sure and is a 2020.5 model in limited quantities so maybe they are just testing the durability. I think the engine and belt can take it, especially on shorter length and lug tracks. I just hope next year other models will get this engine but maybe with 10-20hp more.
@@Hoonasmeister Yeah that's what thought too with aftermarket support but then you loose the warranty and usually reliability. I think it's a missed opportunity to make it 170+ HP. I hope it is at least faster than the stock 850's at sea level then it make a little more sense.
Amazing. However my 600 Etec is plenty for me. Snowmobile > 120 hp crazy. Mx dirtbike =55-60 hp= arm pump, cannot hold on more than 15 minutes. 200 hp recipe for serious fun or pain. Pick your poison.
Jonathan Souza at that price I want 2 of them. And I won’t have to work on it twice per ride and still head back early because it ain’t running right or broke
Guys are gonna fiddle with it. I guarantee it 😀 put a turbo and an ecu on something, and guys will mess with it. Little more boost without the proper mixture settings, and that 850 will burn pistons like logs in the fireplace..
Pretty sure it’s gonna be like buying a car with a turbo from factory. Yeah it’s turbod but what’s the point when it makes less boost than any after market turbo. 4 pounds of boost? Than 2 less pounds at minimum than any other turbo.
289pinto that’s fair and it’s definitely a step in the right direction but they need to be pushing at least 6 pounds or even just make it so riders can’t tune it where they want it but that’s just me.
Jordan Fielding Everything is controlled through the ecm which can be tweaked in less than 2 hours by coding it which changes the waste gate to always be open. Therefore you have a 205 hp sled after the tweak with the reliability doo always has had
I thought people (companies) wete giving up on two stroke engines, i never thought a turbo two stroke gasoline engine would ever see production
2 stroke diesels are very common. I got a detroit 8v92 v8 2 stroke turbo out back to tinker with. I just blew about 96$ for 3 gallons of BRP XD-100 Etec oil on sale at walmart to top it off.
I dont care how much it cost factory maid with warranty and reliability in mind pump gas win win I've been waiting for this for 5 years 2020 is a great time to be alive!!!
Prolly cost 30k where i live.
Bryan Mayes it’s 18,500 usd
@@calebm.5698 Thats serious cash
VYXtreme yeah that’s crazy for a sled- hopefully one day I can buy it used
@@calebm.5698 yeah i live in northern BC canada and by the time they mark them up on top of the canadian dollar they get carried away.
My old boss bought himself a G4 and his kid. I saw the bill for them and they were 23k
Stock 850= belt eater
Turbo 850= belt and money eater
Jean-René Michaud this model comes with a belt temp and it goes beep beep when it gets hot= no belts broke. And it will never restrict power
@@lildefofficial cool!
Jean-René Michaud plus they fixed the belt eating issue on the 850’s all the way back in model year 2019
I'd like to see more info on the self-lubing turbo.
I bet it's a PTE oilless turbo
Steve Goodlet It’s a Rotax built turbo.
I think i got one of those on my 8v92 silver 2 stroke detroit diesel. Its got a ceramic/graphite bushing bearing witch run little or no oil. Its a Garret turbo. I blew my leaf blower thru it one day with the engine not running and did this for a few minutes, it spun up like hell and did not harm it! it still spins with the flick of my finger!
Belt blowing game changer lol
The skidoo belt will last longer than a Polaris engine 😂
Dr. Green hasn’t been a problem since 2018
It will actually have way less belt wear because the engine put out the same HP all the time. When you set up a regular sled for mountain use, most set it up so it has the rated rpm at the highest elevation. So what happens when you ride at low elevation? Yep, it overrev, and you blow belts...
The Flying Ostrich!!😂🤣
@beltlifematters. Someone bring the eggs @sizzling
Love it except for the new head lights! But I have a feeling that I will grow to like them, it’s a skidoo so I will always love em!
Snowmobiles are literally pricing themselves out of riders reach
Couldnt agree more. I want a new sled so bad but my family is more important. First pickup trucks now our toys lol. Guess i will keep riding my '11 m8 lol
They are getting pricey. Still could get one used, say 2 years old and still get 2 years warranty for half the price of new.
I couldn’t see my self having this type of sled to much Computer stuff and too much moving parts I would be happier with a triple then this
Out of your reach maybe 🤘
While not exactly cheap, you can still buy a low end budget model. Sure, the high end models are pricey, but you're getting a whole lot of technology, durability and capability that wasn't attainable at any price not too long ago.
Hey Rotax / Ski-Doo. Can you say motorcycle?
Ya a Can-Am dirt bike like they made in the 70's .
Make your own from a wrecked. Sled. Just got to wait till spring. If you want newer motor. Go dirt hill climb street bike. Hella fun. 4 Wheeler. Mini bike.? World's your oyster.
Hey rotax can you scale it up to a 800 CID inline 6. Here is a cummins OP 2 stroke:ua-cam.com/video/Mfy05zqn324/v-deo.html, that 1000 CID of 2 stroke power, my 8v92 2 stroke detroit is 736 CID
Would be cool to see an addition of an octane/e85 sensor for increased power with race gas, and maybe an aerocharger-style snow/air intercooler. I'm excited to see how well this engine holds up.
It will be nice to tweet that so it’s on boost all the time. Still very cool to see ski doo come out with this. I’m curious to try it and try it in corked
Awesome technology I would love to see this applied to the Sea-Doo Spark
Jeff Brown for what reason?
*cries in german emission standarts*
Awesome! Make sure to get the 4 year warranty!
Yah and sell it before the warranty is up lol
SKI-DOO RULES AND EVERYONE ELSE DROOLS!!! This is why SKI-DOO is #1 in market share and will remain the leader because the best never rest! I Blew By You on my SKI-DOO!!! I love the fact I ride the best snowmobiles on the plantet.
Bob Hirdes to be fair, Polaris is outselling ski doo in the Mountain segment. I will still buy this one tho 💸
Bob Hirdes alpha is still a good sled.
Dagus85 good for poo, I don’t ride in the mountains but if I did I think the New 850 E-Tec Turbo would be a great choice! I love my SKI-Doo Renegade XRS 800 E-TEC
For a number of years now, Ski-Doo has been proceeding in order to bring perfection to the crudely conceived idea of a turbo that would not only supply inverse reactive current for use in unilateral phase detractors, but would also be capable of automatically synchronizing snowmobiles. Such an instrument is the Ski-Doo turbo.
Now basically the only new principle involved is that instead of power being generated by the relative motion of conductors and fluxes, it is produced by the modial interaction of magneto-reluctance and capacitive diractance.
The original machine had a base plate of pre-famulated amulite surmounted by a malleable logarithmic casing in such a way that the two spurving bearings were in a direct line with the panametric fan. The latter consisted simply of six hydrocoptic marzlevanes, so fitted to the ambifacient lunar waneshaft that side fumbling was effectively prevented.
The main winding was of the normal lotus-o-delta type placed in panendermic semi-boloid slots of the stator, every seventh conductor being connected by a non-reversible tremie pipe to the differential girdle spring on the “up” end of the grammeter.
The Ski-Doo turbo has now reached a high level of development, and it’s being successfully used in the operation of snowmobiles. Moreover, whenever a forescent skor motion is required, it may also be employed in conjunction with a drawn reciprocation dingle arm, to reduce sinusoidal repleneration.
That explains it all, thanks!
Bruh are you speaking Cling on? No one here understands the jargon used here, so while I’d love to know what you said I have 0 idea
Oh, so that's how a plumbus is made
I think you forgot the muffler bearings .
Ya'll need jesus
the 850etec is butiful wowasome
I think this is the best v I have seen
Never had any use for a skidoo but I'm excited to see this engine used in aviation.
K P That would be interesting, but I’d still rather take a Rotax 915 iS.
I have no use for a 4 joke stroke but to se how long they run on synthetic 2 stroke oil injected into them and run in multiple positions with Amsoil’s dominator 2 stroke oil
Every one is jealous because a 2 stroke out does there 4 joke piece of crap, just go with day cycle loop scavenged hemi or Clark cycle uniflow
I would love to see the 850 Etec scaled op to a 890 CID 15L inline 6 for industrial applications burning natual gas or H2! Or how about an opposed piston 2 stroke 1700 made out of 2 850 rotax etec engines!
BRP rules
Now put this in a 850 renegade please! I love my 800 etec with my aftermarket turbo kit from Silber but I'd really love a new 850 with a factory turbo set up!
Guy Grenfell the 850 turbo doesn’t help you with a renegade it’s a trail sled the normal 850 pushes the same horsepower at lower altitudes
Guy Grenfell however if you we’re to say get after market work done to it after the warranty was up you could get more
@@iixmarsxii4944 I understand that THIS 850 turbo set up doesn't affect it at sea level but that doesn't mean they can't make an 850 that actually has a turbo that works at sea level.
Guy Grenfell they won’t make one most likely
@@iixmarsxii4944 traditional piston valves and we're argueing which ones are helped?
Oh. My. God. I’m in love.
Skidoo needs put this engine in trail sled
i dont think it would fit well because ita designed to boost the engine slowly the higher you get to maintain the 165 horsepower, not to actually boost the engine at sea level
You buy boondocker turbo kit now do something
Cat and Polaris are definitely developing there own factory turbos now !’ Lol they gotta offer something to keep competitive.
With the electronic waist gate, assuming someone can crack into the ecu or “fool” some of the sensors a guy should be able to crank that sucker up a bit. Can’t wait to see what the aftermarket puts out
I'm pretty sure the plastic/rubber charge pipes and plenum won't hold much more boost.
@@krocketonboost5236 Exactly, this is probably a 2-3 psi kit. Nothing but a gimmick, but hey, now the other brands gotta pull up something aswell so its a great start for the snowmobile industry to finally step in to the turbo 2 stroke segment.
@@abccba2344 I think it's less boost than that tbh. I do not doubt that it works as intended, but i'm pretty sure it needs modifications to hold more boost.
@@krocketonboost5236 the video does say it has max boost is 4 psi
@@secretnick4252 ok.
PUT IT IN a lightweight standup jetski.
Street bike
I wish they bumped up the hp just a little for us sea level riders
But the sled is not for sea level riding.
@@vergy Adjust the waste gate for more boost.
Can a 4 joke do better, there are many 2 stroke turbos that run at sea level and are reliable like 2 stroke turbo diesels, big bore sleds and some rotaries! I run nothing but amsoil dominator in my rotary, no oil to change as it run oil injection, I want to do this with my 8v92 2 stroke Detroit as Acates and Cummins are making OP 2 strokes with oil burn off, Fairbanks Morse OP 2 strokes do this, reliability is how you take care of it.
22 dislikes must be some of the people that bought Polaris sleds for Xmas
Taylor Anderson they make cheap ones for those on welfare
Those people hate turbos
Best engine from my Kia Rio with hydrogen❤
#ski-doo #offical
Can we get the engineers who put the damn shock bolt in a different area so i dont have to remove a exhaust spring to install it
But for someone who doesent ride in the mountains who wants this in an xrs can it be turned up for more than 165hp?
Milk Man you can’t buy it in and xrs
An no you can’t you loose reliability
They will probably turn the hp up for next year
@@calebm.5698 nope,will stay the same and will only be available in the summit.if the aftermarket can break into the eco then yes it will be possible to
2-Stroke Turbo....... my dreams have come tru lol.
I never thought I'd see that. But it if had to happen, Skidoo was my pick with the direct fuel injection
@@jnmason6283 Freakn stooked! The days of bogging down in deep snow are now over!
So much potential considering it's only boosting at 4psi at high altitude.
Yes,mine 2 i got an 8v92 2 stroke detroit turbo out back i got to work on. I would love to see this motor scaled up to ofer 500 CID 8.2 liters aned offered as a create motor. BTW Achates power is making OP 2 strokes for truck and cummins OP 2 stroke for the army. Electric motors are electromagnetic 2 strokes but they sound strange. Lightning bolts are 2 stroke as there is a down streamer and return stroke just like this rotax! The most powerful of these 2 stroke bolts are the positive bolt off the top of the cloud anvil!
2 stroke turbo is nothing new, look at 2 stroke Detroit diesel, EMD, Fairbanks Morse as well as many Toyota poppet valved loop charged 3JZ Supra 2 stroke conversions
Formula1 future engine! 😍👌
Imaging a big block 2 stroke aluminum or inline 6. My 8v92 detroit 2 stroke is kinda heavy
yeah just make it straight 4, 1.6l add the "e-trubo" (boost regen - MGU-H )
You're 8V92 is one of the dopest engines in existance tho
No power increase for riders at sea level? Kinda a pointless turbo then if you ask me. 4lbs of boost? Thats cute. My sidewinder spools 15lbs.
Ryan Belland well they’re making it for riding in the mountains not at sea level
@@nicholasokula8140 I understand that. But it still doesn't have a huge power increase. If ski doo put this engine in an xrs and it made 185hp boosted at sea level it would sell like crazy. It doesnt make any sense. You can bolt on a boondocker turbo for $3,000 on your current summit and make 200hp at 8,000 feet vs the 165 this factory turbo makes. Not to mention that $3,000 for an aftermarket turbo is probably going to be cheaper than the difference in price between a normal summit and a factory turbo summit.
Ryan Belland true but then again, if they slap a huge turbo on there’s a risk the engine might blow up and if the engines are blowing up across the nation that puts a bad name on ski doo. They have to focus on reliability aswell as power and that’s what they gave us.
@@nicholasokula8140 they didn't give you any power. They gave you the ability to keep making the stock 165hp up to 8,000 feet. I guess they didn't give it the ability to make more than 165hp because the 850 engine can't handle it. At least that is the conclusion I come to
@@Cummins2519 ppl running 850s boosted with over 250hp with no issues so dunno. But yeah i guess they want to keep it on a safe level. And keep in mind if u slap a turbo kit on u lose ur warranty.
Riding it must be amazing !
Ну все, Держись Приисковый!
Can You post here the power & Torque curve /rpm?
Tx a lot
A Bold move and BRP's response to getting out climbed by the Polaris 850 and the Alpha One's.
Let the games begin :)
out climbed my ass! spread much fake news there Dean Sikorski? If you want to reach the Summit it's on a Ski-Doo SUMMIT PERIOD END OF STORY!
Dean Sikorski are you high on street drugs?
Yo Gi yeah like crack powder my guy. Skidoo for life
Yo Gi that’s a flat out lie. Your not fooling anyone
@@drlhomeimprovements probably because Cat fucked all of us first year alpha buyers, by offering huge rebates after spring order. If I was to try and sell my used '19 alpha (which the track is falling apart) id loose my shirt. minimum $4000 loss if my track was like new which it isnt.
Well its not boosting huge because 2 strokes cannot have alot of positive manifold pressure because the intake and exhuast ports are open at the same time and the boost pressure is going inside the crankcase which would blow out the end seals.
That can all be redone as there are some sick 2 stroke turbos with well over 25 psi, look up Gus Bohne turbo and DNE performance on a 4 cylinger built 1700 rotax of well over 750 hp! My silver 8v92 detroit diesel turbo 2 stroke is not even this much its mild tuned at 475hp.
You could kx250up an exhaust trapping valve. It would take a 1:1 cam, 2 pushrods and rocker assembly, then fabricate a contoured valve that snugs around the exhaust port and goes up and down to shut up the exh port and allow a longer burn time/build boost. Boysen did this with a kx250 with 60% low end torque boost! You could take the cam, push rods, rocker out of a SB or BB chevy and cut them down to size and a small timing gear/belt/chain to the PTO or flywheel side of the 850 engine. then take it from there. You could fab the contoured exh valve out of stainless though.
So this is going to blow up the moment people start tuning. Where is the 200hp version ?
John Havnen it’s for the mountains, 165 hp at altitude and still light ,unlike a 4 stroke. Mountain guys will love it
E S this won’t be a big seller among mountain riders. You can buy a new non current sled of any make, put on an aftermarket pump gas turbo that makes 200hp at 5 psi boost for cheaper. Also you can easily turn it up to even 9psi on race gas.
Tyson Boser lol it will be a huge seller among mountain guys. New with warranty. Hard to beat. Funny guys said last year that the 900 turbo wouldn’t sell because it was only 150hp and it was one of the biggest sellers out there because the average guy looking for a trail sled 150 hp is perfect.
tune what? block the blow off valve and tune how much gas gets blasted out the exhaust?
Im sold 💸💸💸💸
Dagus85 sold for 1899
Jeremy brightenburg yes I’ll take two
Осталось крылья добавить. Отличный самолет будет. 😁
Alex Games - Слишком сложный, чтобы быть надежным.
It's only 165. Stock about 135 40?
Would be even cooler if the intake didnt run thru the crankcase still, with a wet sump.
ok definitely want one for my 1 seat sandrail...
This should be cool to put on the Ryker.
this setup would be awesome in a bike quad or jetski
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I just want the engine :)))))))
Two Stroke Power.
Yes indeed, i got to get my 8v92 silver 2 stroke turbo running out back. Her is a vw diesel 2 stroke conversion poppet valved loop charged:ua-cam.com/video/kot9GYBeCJ8/v-deo.html
Sick machine.
So there's a little bit of back pressure in exhaust that doesn't change with elevation and that's how low altitude equivalent intake charge can be maintained? OK, fine.
I came.
So did my friend named brandon
It’s not a turbo charger, it’s a turbo normalizer...
altitude compensator?
What's the Hp at low elevation? Or they just bleed the boost at elevation so it makes Na 850 power?
Kwmike-D it’s 165hp no matter the elevation, the ecu controls the boost as you go up in altitude
Y split on intake and turbo bypass.. its just a stock 850 before you reach elevation
@@calebm.5698 only 165hp up to 8000ft.after that it loses power
I wonder how durable it’ll be.
Well it is a ski doo so very
Taylor Anderson how do you figure?
So I can go up Mount Everest now. Game changer???? However I don't know why I used doted lines rather then the real thing. See you at the top.....
Considering the X3 turbo R started at 157hp and is now pushing pretty much 200hp you can expect the power output to rise in the coming years. Ski-Doo are playing it safe by not converting the entire lineup to turbocharged engines just yet and probably also waiting to see how people are going to manage to break these before cranking the boost up.
I'd like to shoehorn one into an outlaw kart
Should be like 200hp and maintain that at elevation. 165hp isn't overly impressive
It is when your 165hp sled only makes 125hp+/- at elevation.
@@Icutmetal I understand the concept, again why not 185 or even 200 so you get a power increase when not at elevation also
Many of these 2 stroke turboes make more than 260hp with turbo
make it V6, meth injection and you've reliable ~550hp+ lightweight (~70-80kg) track monster for LMP2-3, or a bike
That sounds like Diesel Doug who built a 6v53 2 stroke detroit diesel dragster in the 80"s. He detroked it from 318 CID to 270 CID and did 1800+ hp out of 270 CID v6 2 stroke insanity! Turboes, nitrous and methanol/ethanol injection.
wow I like this video
Common articcat make a alpha 2 stroke turbo or 4 stroke turbo
ATC KID Speedwerx no need for all this crap
john stjean ? What do you mean. Your mad because I ride a Polaris and articcat
The only thing that can outperform this is a Yamaha srx triple motor with a turbo in a modern sled 🤘🏽
john stjean true. But it would be cool if articcat came out with a turbo from factory.
ATC KID just get a kit form Speedwerx Arctic cat doesn’t know how to built engines only reason they have a good motor is cause it off a Suzuki engine.the Japanese they know how build great stuff they built the best motor in the Industry Yamaha srx best motor ever build in snowmobile history
Pretty awesome, while Arctic Cat goes single cylinder.
They were having so many problems with their twins they needed to make it simpler!
Oh shit that sachs 303/294 2 stroke wankel rotary again. I got a few OMC rotary 2 stroke wankel i tinker with.
@@nsa6790the ctech2 are reliable wym?
So the skidoo 850s blow up and break all the time, so much that parts are back ordered till the end of riding season and now you have added a turbo to. Makes sense that it can only handle 165 hp.
Arctic cat is possibly coming out with supercharged factory sled. If that happens this turbo doo concept will not stand a chance.
Supercharged 2 stroke not a 4 joke, BTW can the 4 joke run on just oil injection with dry sump with total loss burn off with synthetic 2 stroke oil, let’s see and let the experiments begin?
Look up supercharged snowmobiles. They blowing turbo units away. Just cost serious cash
@@MrThewheels An exhaust trapping valve will help build boost!
@@MrThewheelsSome 2 strokes can wear out faster because of the pair production that happens inside of the. the anti electrons or positron annihilate the cylinder walls if you are not careful, 2 strokes are also thought sensitive as well and negative spirit energy can also cause wear if your energy is not nice or negative!
Hopefully these can be tuned for way more power.
no
Well, software only tuning, basicaly no, not beyond changing target AFR. More boost would require a more restricted exhaust to create higher back pressure to keep the turbo from just blowing gas and air straight through while both ports are open.
OK, so more burnt gas would do the same (as far as the turbo is concerned) as restricting the exhaust, BUT you end up with higher density gas which changes expansion chamber tuning. So if I have my sound wave speed to density relation remembered right, you want a shorter chamber to keep the back pulse from letting too much gas from blowing through...
@@Marc_Wolfe Could you not just change the wastegate spring so the turbo doesnt dump boost?
@@Marc_Wolfe If you are going along and you tip over with an 850 etc turbo, it is on a dry sump big oil jug with a pump feeding the journals with oil lone everywhere when i looked at one at a dealer, you probably have to kill the motor as the oil jug sump will have air near the suction line and starve the engine of oil pressure. That is the only thing that i would about and i heard it is a concern.
Cat 4 sale!
Any video in french ???
I don't see valves in the head to contain boost pressure; all this would do is allow you to run without an expansion chamber exhaust... which for some reason you kept on this. Bolt on marketing for people that don't understand the physics. "huhuh, it got uh terboh, turbo go brrrrrpfpfpfpf"
850 polaris no turbo 175 hp 12000$ US , Skidoo 850 Turbo 165 hp 17000$ lol common....
What’s common? Don’t you understand what elevation does to horsepower? That Polaris will only be making 130ish horsepower at 10k feet.
Close the waste gate permanently and you got yourself a 205 hp at any altitude and 165 hp at 8000ft 👌
SledBoyZ QC I think you meant close! 😃
@@boostcontrolledperformance1523 yeah haha 😁
SledBoyZ QC - ...... and blow the crank seals. :-)
Kaboom!
Come here to see modern two stroke ICE after knowing F1 probably will change to it in near future.
What say that again F1 is to a turbo 2 stroke, lots of big diesels like detroit, EMD and Fairbanks Morse OP giant 2 stroke and Achates power is on the OP 2 stroke kick for trucks. BTW here is a 4 joke vw converted to a poppet valved loop charge 2 stroke:ua-cam.com/video/kot9GYBeCJ8/v-deo.html
Change to the only f1 worth a shit, mabey the NASCAR retards will wake up to reality in America!
Just here for the comments 👁️👁️
New from Gates, graphene infused Kevlar with titanium herring bone core drive belts .... sorry track but this going to hurt you more than it does me. Muhawhawwww
Blow $200 belts twice as fast with the new ski doo 850 etec turbo
jacob dingledine Rather buy a belt than a whole new engine. Ahem Polaris ahem
Paralysis already did this.
Isn't it useless technology? 2 stroke engines have no cycle to compress air inside the cylinder, so how is it possible to turbocharged them? The extra pressure that is made by turbo will be thrown away through the exhaust hole.
so we get an engine that does not create additional power, while burning more fuel, throwing it through the exhaust pipe.
No extra efficiency is created, just more fuel burning.
The expansion chamber has already fixed your extra full problem. The computer tunes it all on the fly to be efficient.
Yes, it's a pretty small increase and is more of a turbo normalizer as it doesn't increase hp, but just keeps it consistent as air gets thinner.
I wouldn't buy one even if I had the money. Naturally aspirated would be enough for me, however, depending on how well this does, hopefully turbos may start coming on most sleds stock and competition reduces the price overall.
Many 2 stroke diesel have turbo, i got an 8v92 detroit turbo but there is 4 exhaust powervalves in the head and ports at the bottom, same for EMD. Another way is to make a poppet valved loop charged 2 stroke the exh opening a litle early for blow down the baffled intake valves open. this is commonly done on a toyota 3jz 3L inline 6 to make a valved 2 stroke with boos over 1000 hp for a suoped up version. Anothewr way to build boos is to use an exhaust trapping valve in the exh port. here is a VW 2 stroke valved 2 stroke conversion:ua-cam.com/video/kot9GYBeCJ8/v-deo.html
Thats what an exhaust tapping valve can fix!
Please tell me you guys are gonna sell kits! I just bought an expert...
colin bonsma bro don’t do it buy an after market turbo.
As someone said above me, just buy a turbo kit. That’s unfortunate you got an expert, it’s still a sick sled. The challenge is that the turbo uses a lightened crankshaft not used in the regular 850 so there is no way to make it a kit. Not to mention a different ecm and software
Silber turbo put one one las season ran hard all year n still takin a beating run 7lbs on 70 30 mix can run 5lbs on pump she is an absolute ripper
you would have to be crazy to buy the first year turbo.
They will buy it for bragging rights.
A friend of mine texted me about someone he knew that converted a Hyundai 4 cylinder into
A poppet valved loop charged 2 stroke. He decided to make a dry sump with oil injection into intake with a VRO pump. Ran amsoil dominator 2 stroke oil and had a shit fit on why it burned 4 quarts with VRO to high flow rate rich, just turn it down with Klotz techniplate, silkolene pro 2 sx or castor 927 maxima! DIY 2 stroke conversions make some people crazy!
Nice
Ski doo turbo. A way to blow the engine and belt faster
Kvesa blow the engine ? You wrong, its not a polaris)
The skidoo belt will last longer than a Polaris engine😂
True polaris will blow aswell. But ski doo ? Noo wont last any longer than a polaris. 850 blew tons of belts when it came out and engines blown
I have personally replaced 2 850 non turbo motors
Levo42691 I’ve replaced more than that, but they typically have many thousands of hard miles, like 5000+
Good idea and cool to see from an oem! But no power increase over the n/a 850 is a dealbreaker (obviously except for some mountain riders). All that extra weight and complexity for basically nothing for flatlanders. It better have loads of torque down low. I don't understand why they couldn't bump up the power a bit. I guess their motor can't take it? It is a Rotax engine and not a Yamaha after all. zing! ;) I know there will probably be aftermarket support but it is not the same I think. I wanted to sell my Sidewinder when I started the video, then started laughing halfway through. I am thinking of switching to a 2 stroke but I will miss the turbo power too much. I wish someone made a modern 900-1000cc or turbo 2 stroke with 180-200hp+ for trail and backcountry ridding. Basically I want a lighter Sidewinder! Or at least an ace turbo with as much power as the Yamacat's. I hope Polaris takes note and does the obvious move to make a 2 stroke or 4 stroke monster! Or Yamaha, and it might actually last a few years! I can dream...
Ok.
People running 250+ hp in 850s with no issues. I guess they want to play it safe tho. But there will be flashes for the ecu to make more power i will promise u that.
Alex M It’s not available in anything but the mountain sleds. This don’t mean anything to flatlanders but it’s huge for the mountain guys
@@ES-pr8bt I agree 100% for high elevation 40hp is huge but closer to sea level it doesn't mean much. It's a big move by skidoo for sure and is a 2020.5 model in limited quantities so maybe they are just testing the durability. I think the engine and belt can take it, especially on shorter length and lug tracks. I just hope next year other models will get this engine but maybe with 10-20hp more.
@@Hoonasmeister Yeah that's what thought too with aftermarket support but then you loose the warranty and usually reliability. I think it's a missed opportunity to make it 170+ HP. I hope it is at least faster than the stock 850's at sea level then it make a little more sense.
Amazing. However my 600 Etec is plenty for me. Snowmobile > 120 hp crazy. Mx dirtbike =55-60 hp= arm pump, cannot hold on more than 15 minutes. 200 hp recipe for serious fun or pain. Pick your poison.
yeah 600 are fun too
Bbbrrraaaaaappppp popopopo oh no it broke..nevermind its a BRP its the BeSt ThInG oN eArTh
Anyway... The speed limit in Quebec... 60kmh!!!! 🤣😂🙊🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢 12HP like the Elan 1976 is enough a this speed!!! 😂🤣 😉
Try climbing 12k feet on an Elan and let me know how it goes.
Better than 50kmh in ontario
@@joshdupuis9857 or stupid like both!!!😉
Очень круто, если так;)...
For 20k out the door ouch !! Whats the warranty on this sled, over boost this sled and kiss your factory warranty good by !!
Jonathan Souza at that price I want 2 of them. And I won’t have to work on it twice per ride and still head back early because it ain’t running right or broke
I'd love to test one to 2 miles above sea level and if in the future they can have 200+ HP and have a hitch system for a buggy that would be great
Ok
SkI dOo
To bad it's only offered in a summit. WTF BRP
B HILL not anymore!
Mustard tiger.
Pistons and sleeves will be on backorder next season..
Espen why do you say that? It’s still only 165hp. Should be just as reliable as the NA 850
Guys are gonna fiddle with it. I guarantee it 😀 put a turbo and an ecu on something, and guys will mess with it. Little more boost without the proper mixture settings, and that 850 will burn pistons like logs in the fireplace..
Espen aftermarket tuners will take care of the ECU like they always do. There will be little to no problems with that fuel air mixture
Oh we`ll see. I`m pretty sure there wil be lots of tuning thats not done by serious tuners. I still say pistons will burn :)
Why is everyone afraid of a turbo 2 stroke Detroit diesel,EMD and fairbanks morse! i got a turbo 8v92 out back that i tinker with.
Yesssssssss
Ers. Turbo. Shit. ,20.000 dollars is out rage us. And a trailer. And clothing. And new truck fuck eh. Dont forget tonue cover.
Haha soft the only time my sled (1979 citation) loses power is in the snow. Can't even climb elevations
Pretty sure it’s gonna be like buying a car with a turbo from factory. Yeah it’s turbod but what’s the point when it makes less boost than any after market turbo. 4 pounds of boost? Than 2 less pounds at minimum than any other turbo.
Warranty. Reliability.
289pinto that’s fair and it’s definitely a step in the right direction but they need to be pushing at least 6 pounds or even just make it so riders can’t tune it where they want it but that’s just me.
Jordan Fielding Everything is controlled through the ecm which can be tweaked in less than 2 hours by coding it which changes the waste gate to always be open. Therefore you have a 205 hp sled after the tweak with the reliability doo always has had
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Wholly the hater are sure out in force :D
The only F1 worth a shit, fire on every stroke!
Дайте мне на тест его)))
Polaris can’t keep up
850 polaris no turbo 175 hp 12000$ US , Skidoo 850 Turbo 165 hp 17000$ lol
Poor Polaris!