Great video. Your content consistently provides great info for people actually hunting vs people that just want to watch hunting videos that are mostly drone panout shots, rock music and bro gospel- great content without all the filler. Thank you
It probably would be. As a resident who makes 30k a year I can't afford to hire a guide for an elk hunt that costs half my annual earnings. I was lucky enough to draw a Bull Elk tag on my first time entering the draw for 3rd rifle in GMU 51.
Kiowa hunting service does this for free with no application fee and does not charge to use their outfitter number. If you've hunted NM before and know where you want to go, you can skip the $50 fee that the draw charges
Good for folks to know. Thanks for sharing. Jordan has been super generous with information and has always been a big help to me, but I'm sure there are other options that folks can look at with varying services.
I was looking at the kiowa website and it looks like a similar deal to what The Draw guys are doing ie you use their outfitter number yo apply and then you have the option of a two day guided hunt at a price similar to what is described here. Im. Ot knocking Kiowa at all they seem to offer a lot of flexibility but it looks similar to what The Draw guys are doing with respect to the guide pool applications
Excellent breakdown of both the services that the company The Draw provides including some tricks of the trade and how the New Mexico draw works including the difference in the guided pool and regular non resident pool. I for one would like to eventually do a New Mexico Barbary Sheep hunt. Aka the poor man’s desert 🏜️ sheep 🐏 hunt. I believe that there are two costs though. The limited fall hunts are $600+ and the OTC anytime and low quality hunts are $350ish, unless that’s changed recently. I also want to hunt pronghorn in every state that I can. I have heard about the two day guide pool trick and I would have to save up and do that and use the Draw’s service including the bank service and 9% cost to do the draws there. Elk and Coues deer 🦌 would be the other species that would interest me and throw javelina 🐗 in there for fun and great camp meat 🥩 🍖
@@CliffGray you are quite welcome 🙏. Even though it is much more affordable that Aoudad hunt is a bucket 🪣 list adventure hunt for this easterner. Good point about the picture and cost and wait being the difference between an Aoudad hunt and a Desert 🏜️ Sheep 🐏 hunt.
I totally disagree on the ibex should be kept on the mountain to provide opportunity for 100 hunters because of demand for hunting. In my opinion, as a professional wildlife biologist and hunter, New Mexico made a grievous error introducing exotics to the ecosystem. Non native species should be eliminated where possible. The ultimate goal is not increased hunting opportunity because of demand. It should be in tact ecosystems with a full community of native species. One hunter per year for native bighorn far outweighs 100 non native hunter opportunities for invasive/introduced species.
I understand your perspective. The primary issue I have with it is that it looks at exotics and their impact on the ecosystem in a vacuum. Couldn’t you extend your argument to any livestock on the landscape? 1 bighorn is worth 5,000 head of sheep or 500 head of cattle? It’s a logical extension of the argument. But then, how would we feed our current population… you can jump into an argument of row crops vs animal habitat, etc… My point being, we are operating in a highly manipulated environment and ecosystem… As a hunter, the idea that trading 100 hunting opportunities for 1 hunting opportunity in the real world is a good idea… that’s perplexing to me. Now if you live in imaginary land where we think the ecosystems are intact or can be rewound by putting some tiny population of a historic native species back… then it might make sense. That’s where the disagreement is.
These so called “wildlife biologists” are hilarious… making moral arguments when nature has NEVER worked that way. This “native” fetishization is ridiculous. I can guarantee you are a non native Mr.DanWiley, should you be eliminated? All wildlife management is essentially an aesthetic argument evenif you aren’t aware of it. Species have moved and been moved since life began. Is the dingo native to Australia or should it be eliminated? Destructive species are not sustainable they destroy their own home. Obviously the ibex is sustainable and thrives in those mountains.
Jordan is terrific. He helped me draw a once in a lifetime oryx hunt in 2016.
Dude reminded me of my kid’s favorite joke
“knock knock”
Who’s there?
“Interrupting cow”
Interrupting c….
MOOO
Great video. Your content consistently provides great info for people actually hunting vs people that just want to watch hunting videos that are mostly drone panout shots, rock music and bro gospel- great content without all the filler. Thank you
thanks Zack!
man, thanks Cliff. I learned a ton from this. I think spending the money for a guide is a game changer for NM
It probably would be. As a resident who makes 30k a year I can't afford to hire a guide for an elk hunt that costs half my annual earnings.
I was lucky enough to draw a Bull Elk tag on my first time entering the draw for 3rd rifle in GMU 51.
I’m new to the channel!!
Holy smokes. If talking was an Olympic sport Jordan would win gold.
Hell ya New Mexico wish we had a pion I ant drawn out elk in 20 years.
Kiowa hunting service does this for free with no application fee and does not charge to use their outfitter number. If you've hunted NM before and know where you want to go, you can skip the $50 fee that the draw charges
Good for folks to know. Thanks for sharing.
Jordan has been super generous with information and has always been a big help to me, but I'm sure there are other options that folks can look at with varying services.
I was looking at the kiowa website and it looks like a similar deal to what The Draw guys are doing ie you use their outfitter number yo apply and then you have the option of a two day guided hunt at a price similar to what is described here. Im. Ot knocking Kiowa at all they seem to offer a lot of flexibility but it looks similar to what The Draw guys are doing with respect to the guide pool applications
Excellent breakdown of both the services that the company The Draw provides including some tricks of the trade and how the New Mexico draw works including the difference in the guided pool and regular non resident pool.
I for one would like to eventually do a New Mexico Barbary Sheep hunt. Aka the poor man’s desert 🏜️ sheep 🐏 hunt. I believe that there are two costs though. The limited fall hunts are $600+ and the OTC anytime and low quality hunts are $350ish, unless that’s changed recently.
I also want to hunt pronghorn in every state that I can. I have heard about the two day guide pool trick and I would have to save up and do that and use the Draw’s service including the bank service and 9% cost to do the draws there.
Elk and Coues deer 🦌 would be the other species that would interest me and throw javelina 🐗 in there for fun and great camp meat 🥩 🍖
thanks!
@@CliffGray you are quite welcome 🙏. Even though it is much more affordable that Aoudad hunt is a bucket 🪣 list adventure hunt for this easterner. Good point about the picture and cost and wait being the difference between an Aoudad hunt and a Desert 🏜️ Sheep 🐏 hunt.
I totally disagree on the ibex should be kept on the mountain to provide opportunity for 100 hunters because of demand for hunting. In my opinion, as a professional wildlife biologist and hunter, New Mexico made a grievous error introducing exotics to the ecosystem. Non native species should be eliminated where possible. The ultimate goal is not increased hunting opportunity because of demand. It should be in tact ecosystems with a full community of native species. One hunter per year for native bighorn far outweighs 100 non native hunter opportunities for invasive/introduced species.
I understand your perspective. The primary issue I have with it is that it looks at exotics and their impact on the ecosystem in a vacuum. Couldn’t you extend your argument to any livestock on the landscape? 1 bighorn is worth 5,000 head of sheep or 500 head of cattle? It’s a logical extension of the argument. But then, how would we feed our current population… you can jump into an argument of row crops vs animal habitat, etc… My point being, we are operating in a highly manipulated environment and ecosystem… As a hunter, the idea that trading 100 hunting opportunities for 1 hunting opportunity in the real world is a good idea… that’s perplexing to me.
Now if you live in imaginary land where we think the ecosystems are intact or can be rewound by putting some tiny population of a historic native species back… then it might make sense. That’s where the disagreement is.
These so called “wildlife biologists” are hilarious… making moral arguments when nature has NEVER worked that way. This “native” fetishization is ridiculous. I can guarantee you are a non native Mr.DanWiley, should you be eliminated? All wildlife management is essentially an aesthetic argument evenif you aren’t aware of it. Species have moved and been moved since life began. Is the dingo native to Australia or should it be eliminated? Destructive species are not sustainable they destroy their own home. Obviously the ibex is sustainable and thrives in those mountains.