As a landscape design company, we bought this printer to print off CAD drawinsg for contractors. Knowing that with the right paper they can take them out on site - in the rain! - is certainly a bonus. So glad I watched this!
Hey @KeithCooper thanks a million again for you amazing reviews ! wow you are the one missing star that represent the true colors of every printer and passionate photographers out there ! You are a star really ! Guys guys guys guys ONE MISSING fact that REALLY REALLY MATTERS: This printer uses INK TANKS 70ml !!! and while 35 GBP each then still REALLY MUCH CHEAPER than small STUP.... cartridges. So this is A REVOLUTION to have 1. such A1 printer at this LOW price 2. such good photo quality 3 ICING on the CAKE: CHEAP BIG TANKS of INK thank you a million too CANON you are finally making sense !!!!
I love your videos, and this in particular. You referred to the Canon TC20 and mentioned that it might be good for photo printing, too. As far as I have understood, the before mentioned printer uses a technology similar to the Canon Maxify GX 4000 home office series. Both printers are based on four pigment ink tanks with the same colours. Canon Marketing does not emphasize the GX4050's photo printing abilities, but I have found out that this printer is capable of delivering good photo printouts, too (however, if you deal with given limitations). Are you considering evaluating this more home office oriented printer, too? Kind regards from Germany, Berthold
Thanks Not likely, unless Canon ask me to do so. That normally only occurs with newly introduced printers. I'll have to be honest as well and admit that there is also a limit to how many 'home office' printers I can review, before my interest in the subject falls off a cliff ;-)
I have a small box of adhesive vinyl sheets that i use to cover things that will get wet such as insulated steel water bottles. Prints from my Canon G620 work just fine. Surprisingly.
Hi Keith nice review, would be amazing if you can make a review of the Epson T3170, similar 24" printer than this canon! Would be nice to see the quality and how it works. Thanks for your videos!
Thanks - I do have the final TC-20M review, along with the detailed written one due tomorrow. I'll ask about the Epson, but the 'house authorities' needed convincing just to let the P5300 stay here for testing at the moment
So tempted to get one after seeing that - but I really don't have a use case for it. (a bit outside my mad money limit anyway.... :^) ). Now if Epson (or Canon) made a model that used those big eco tanks for ink - that would be a killer product.
I think Epson's pigment inks have always been waterproof because the pigment is encapsulated. I used to print a lot onto Epson's Signature Kozo Paper (which has long since discontinued, still trying to track down any rolls that might be around!) and one of the things you could do is tape the print to a frame and spray the print with distilled water. If you leave it to dry naturally then the print starts tightening up, like drum tight, onto the frame. OEM inks just don't smear when they get wet. Don't know about 3rd party inks.
Ah - the encapsulated pigment does not mean the pigment particles can't run - that's purely to do with the paper and coatings Waterproof is a very flexible term in printing ;-)
@@KeithCooper I take your point about the term being flexible, but Epson does describe their pigment inks as both lightfast and waterfast which they attribute to the resin encapsulation of their pigment inks in their technical brief. Certainly seems to be the case with the pigment ink from my Workforce 4535 on plain paper, I can spill some drops of water and the ink won't bloom whereas third party inks certainly will regardless of paper.
Keith hi. Loved your videos first. I want to start a small business and the options are too expensive to invest for me right now. Is Canon TC-20 M is enough for start? my posters are going to be 50x70 mostly.
Should be OK for that, with suitable media However, check the main [written] review for limitations www.northlight-images.co.uk/canon-tc-20m-printer-review/
Maybe... Getting the best photo printing needs icc profiles for the paper, which are not commonly available [I'm making some for the review] All very dependent on the definition of 'great' ;-)
Nice video as usual. I am looking for a printer that can use just the black ink if I choose to. Is it possible with this printer? If not, any suggestions? Thanks 😊
No - plenty of coloured ink dots making up grey Greyscale is not one channel for the printer It's r=g=b converted to the printer's internal CMYK mix I've not seen 'black only' printing in an unmodified printer for at least 20 years
With an image of mine on my computer, greyscale can be a single channel or it could be a RGB file with R=G=B The printer driver will likely handle either, but once you get info into the printer, it's a black box. The only way to use just one ink is to use a full rip - they are expensive and not available for smaller printers. 'Black only' printing was an option with some drivers years ago - it never looked really good close up and showed very well how 'black' was often nowhere nearly as 'black' as people often think.
I don't have paper to try, but I was just able to set a custom size of 300mm x 600mm You'l have to experiment to see what's allowed fro non metric Whether it prints is another matter...
I just set it up and noticed every half inch or so I see a slight banding line. I suspect it might be with the roll feed. I did a auto align but it still does it. Did you have horizontal banding with this printer?
Thanks - unfortunately, not specific info I've got [the printer was lent to me already initialised] I've seen some figures on the web suggesting numbers, but without details of the sorts of image and the settings, such numbers don't mean much. However, the cost of these inks and use suggests that a lot of people may be looking to third party inks for this printer, if they do much printing@@ErickOZ006
Thank you, I am looking for it to print school materials and posters for my students, that is why I am trying to find that the purchase is really feasible. I'll investigate a little more about it.@@KeithCooper
It is duller than the other inks [just making a new video using roll lustre paper] but not excessively so - it contributes to gloss differential if you light things carefully. On the matte synthetic paper the whole print was uniformly dull
Yes, but only the ones listed in the [written] review for the papers www.northlight-images.co.uk/canon-tc-20m-printer-review/ Available on request [email me at Northlight]
I've made several... ;-) There is nothing special about the tc-s20m in this respect See also the colour management section of the main [written] review@@JeffSpeers
great video. do you think this would be suitable for printing gift wrap/wrapping paper. ive seen alot of sellers online marketing this for that purpose? regards
I'm not sure of the economics, but it is definitely capable of printing on such paper. I have a roll of plain paper, which I'll look at with some of the poster software Canon offer. I'll post some experiments in due course...
@@Clue83 That size would likely need a custom page size setting in whatever software you print from. I've already got 24" x 1300mm and 1500mm sizes set for panoramic prints You can also use the copier function for enlarging artwork
I'm afraid I've no idea... The problem is that it is entirely dependent on the exact type of media used. I've never come across a sticker media which worked on any printer I've reviewed. That doesn't mean there isn't any, just that no-one has ever sent me any for testing
The problem is more likely to be fitting in the roll - it is limited in both diameter and only 2" core. Simple 2">3" adapters do not work Not sure how long the cutter blade would last cutting canvas all the time
Thank you Keith, the canvas has a 2" core I was just worried about the material thickness. I use an epson sc t3200 at the moment which is brilliant but need the printer to be a bit more portable.
Not specifically supported. It should print if you can get it onto a 2″ core and it’s not too thick. I didn’t have any available to test this. I’d suspect the cutter is not up to regular cutting of canvas though. I’ve seen several printers with paper cutters warn against cutting canvas, since it dulls the blade and the additional cutting force can damage the blade transport mechanism.
Canon sent me a roll of it years ago when I was reviewing the PRO-2000 Still widely listed as "Canon Water-Resistant Matte Polypropylene" www.northlight-images.co.uk/canon-water-resistant-matte-paper-review/ @@whitefootimages
Outdoor exhibitions in the UK... ;-) As I said it's a sample media I've had for years. I can imagine that it would be useful for temporary signage and posters.
As a landscape design company, we bought this printer to print off CAD drawinsg for contractors. Knowing that with the right paper they can take them out on site - in the rain! - is certainly a bonus. So glad I watched this!
Yes - not 100% waterproof, but still pretty effective ;-)
The new "office" looks lovely. That water resistant paper test was fun to see. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks - no way I'll be able to use this other than for short videos ;-)
Amazing review as always :), even if im not the target of this printer, I love to get a little bit of your knowledge :)
Thanks - glad they are of interest!
Your Oregon Print Looks Just The Right Length. This Time Keith. To put up on your Office wall.
Sorry - still not quite enough room ;-)
It's a small room - there is not a lo more you don't get to see ...
Hey @KeithCooper thanks a million again for you amazing reviews ! wow you are the one missing star that represent the true colors of every printer and passionate photographers out there ! You are a star really ! Guys guys guys guys ONE MISSING fact that REALLY REALLY MATTERS: This printer uses INK TANKS 70ml !!! and while 35 GBP each then still REALLY MUCH CHEAPER than small STUP.... cartridges. So this is A REVOLUTION to have 1. such A1 printer at this LOW price 2. such good photo quality 3 ICING on the CAKE: CHEAP BIG TANKS of INK thank you a million too CANON you are finally making sense !!!!
Thanks
BTW - this is indeed covered in the main [written] review - the videos supplement the written stuff, not vice versa
@@KeithCooper 😉
Good video again Keith.
Thanks
I love your videos, and this in particular. You referred to the Canon TC20 and mentioned that it might be good for photo printing, too. As far as I have understood, the before mentioned printer uses a technology similar to the Canon Maxify GX 4000 home office series. Both printers are based on four pigment ink tanks with the same colours. Canon Marketing does not emphasize the GX4050's photo printing abilities, but I have found out that this printer is capable of delivering good photo printouts, too (however, if you deal with given limitations). Are you considering evaluating this more home office oriented printer, too?
Kind regards from Germany,
Berthold
Thanks
Not likely, unless Canon ask me to do so. That normally only occurs with newly introduced printers.
I'll have to be honest as well and admit that there is also a limit to how many 'home office' printers I can review, before my interest in the subject falls off a cliff ;-)
I have a small box of adhesive vinyl sheets that i use to cover things that will get wet such as insulated steel water bottles. Prints from my Canon G620 work just fine. Surprisingly.
Yes, if you get the right media it can work just fine
Hi Keith nice review, would be amazing if you can make a review of the Epson T3170, similar 24" printer than this canon! Would be nice to see the quality and how it works. Thanks for your videos!
Thanks - I do have the final TC-20M review, along with the detailed written one due tomorrow.
I'll ask about the Epson, but the 'house authorities' needed convincing just to let the P5300 stay here for testing at the moment
@@KeithCooper nice I'll be waiting for it, looks like an interesting option and the prices is very good (Epson T3170).
So tempted to get one after seeing that - but I really don't have a use case for it. (a bit outside my mad money limit anyway.... :^) ). Now if Epson (or Canon) made a model that used those big eco tanks for ink - that would be a killer product.
It will be a while I fear - this one is very much aimed at CAD/posters and the like, but it's nice to stretch things a bit ;-)
I think Epson's pigment inks have always been waterproof because the pigment is encapsulated. I used to print a lot onto Epson's Signature Kozo Paper (which has long since discontinued, still trying to track down any rolls that might be around!) and one of the things you could do is tape the print to a frame and spray the print with distilled water. If you leave it to dry naturally then the print starts tightening up, like drum tight, onto the frame. OEM inks just don't smear when they get wet. Don't know about 3rd party inks.
Ah - the encapsulated pigment does not mean the pigment particles can't run - that's purely to do with the paper and coatings
Waterproof is a very flexible term in printing ;-)
@@KeithCooper I take your point about the term being flexible, but Epson does describe their pigment inks as both lightfast and waterfast which they attribute to the resin encapsulation of their pigment inks in their technical brief. Certainly seems to be the case with the pigment ink from my Workforce 4535 on plain paper, I can spill some drops of water and the ink won't bloom whereas third party inks certainly will regardless of paper.
Keith hi. Loved your videos first. I want to start a small business and the options are too expensive to invest for me right now. Is Canon TC-20 M is enough for start? my posters are going to be 50x70 mostly.
Should be OK for that, with suitable media
However, check the main [written] review for limitations
www.northlight-images.co.uk/canon-tc-20m-printer-review/
I’d like a printer with a 24” roll feed for drawings that is also great at printing photo-realistic renderings. Is this the best choice?
Maybe...
Getting the best photo printing needs icc profiles for the paper, which are not commonly available [I'm making some for the review]
All very dependent on the definition of 'great' ;-)
Nice video as usual. I am looking for a printer that can use just the black ink if I choose to. Is it possible with this printer? If not, any suggestions? Thanks 😊
Thanks
No - no printer I know of supports this in normal operating modes
@@KeithCooper Thanks Keith. Even when printing an image in Greyscale; one channel only?
No - plenty of coloured ink dots making up grey
Greyscale is not one channel for the printer It's r=g=b converted to the printer's internal CMYK mix
I've not seen 'black only' printing in an unmodified printer for at least 20 years
@@KeithCooper Greyscale is one channel for the computer but not for the printer? Or is never one channel in digital realm? Thanks.
With an image of mine on my computer, greyscale can be a single channel or it could be a RGB file with R=G=B
The printer driver will likely handle either, but once you get info into the printer, it's a black box.
The only way to use just one ink is to use a full rip - they are expensive and not available for smaller printers.
'Black only' printing was an option with some drivers years ago - it never looked really good close up and showed very well how 'black' was often nowhere nearly as 'black' as people often think.
can I use 12x24" paper? the specs say 12" width is fine, but max 17" lenght, but the manual also says you can specify custom size paper?
I don't have paper to try, but I was just able to set a custom size of 300mm x 600mm
You'l have to experiment to see what's allowed fro non metric
Whether it prints is another matter...
Very peaceful and complete review 🙏
Thanks
I have used Toughprint waterproof paper for maps and is claimed to be 100% waterproof.
Yes - a lot depends on the ink as well, but this was a Canon branded paper.
I just set it up and noticed every half inch or so I see a slight banding line. I suspect it might be with the roll feed. I did a auto align but it still does it. Did you have horizontal banding with this printer?
I've noticed this on a few media - I need to do more alignment testing.
Drop me an email at Northlight and I'll let you know what I find?
@@KeithCooperI was able to fix the banding lines. I just did a adjust print quality in the maintenance menu and it auto corrected it.
Thanks for posting this
Hola, ¿usted sabrá aproximadamente cuántas impresiones de gran formato puedo hacer con ésta impresora?
Sorry - English only
Excuse me, do you know approximately how many 24" prints I can make with a full charge of the ink tanks?
Thanks - unfortunately, not specific info I've got [the printer was lent to me already initialised]
I've seen some figures on the web suggesting numbers, but without details of the sorts of image and the settings, such numbers don't mean much.
However, the cost of these inks and use suggests that a lot of people may be looking to third party inks for this printer, if they do much printing@@ErickOZ006
Thank you, I am looking for it to print school materials and posters for my students, that is why I am trying to find that the purchase is really feasible. I'll investigate a little more about it.@@KeithCooper
Thanks so much for the review! I have a question - Is the black ink gloss or matte? Can you tell?
It is duller than the other inks [just making a new video using roll lustre paper] but not excessively so - it contributes to gloss differential if you light things carefully. On the matte synthetic paper the whole print was uniformly dull
Thank you so much Keith! @@KeithCooper
Did you say something about offering the color profiles to those with this printer and those paper types?
Yes, but only the ones listed in the [written] review for the papers
www.northlight-images.co.uk/canon-tc-20m-printer-review/
Available on request [email me at Northlight]
@@KeithCooper what are your thoughts on making a video about how to make color profiles?
I've made several... ;-)
There is nothing special about the tc-s20m in this respect
See also the colour management section of the main [written] review@@JeffSpeers
How many prints before you ran out of the 70ml inks?
I couldn't say - my testing is far too varied to get any meaningful information about this.
great video. do you think this would be suitable for printing gift wrap/wrapping paper. ive seen alot of sellers online marketing this for that purpose? regards
I'm not sure of the economics, but it is definitely capable of printing on such paper. I have a roll of plain paper, which I'll look at with some of the poster software Canon offer.
I'll post some experiments in due course...
thank you. does it cut straight from the roll after the print is that something you can specify? @@KeithCooper
The default is to cut - You need to specify a custom page length or use a pre-set one.
How big would you print [on 24" paper] for wrapping paper?
ah ok thats great. so id be looking to use it for 24" x 32" sheets off a role
@@KeithCooper
@@Clue83 That size would likely need a custom page size setting in whatever software you print from. I've already got 24" x 1300mm and 1500mm sizes set for panoramic prints
You can also use the copier function for enlarging artwork
How can I make this color profile?
Buy profiling kit and software, or pay to have a custom profile made for you
Is this good for Printable Vinyl Stickers?
I'm afraid I've no idea...
The problem is that it is entirely dependent on the exact type of media used.
I've never come across a sticker media which worked on any printer I've reviewed. That doesn't mean there isn't any, just that no-one has ever sent me any for testing
Hi Keith I print canvas on a daily basis using Polyester Canvas 260gsm would this printer be compatible. Thanks Johm.
The problem is more likely to be fitting in the roll - it is limited in both diameter and only 2" core. Simple 2">3" adapters do not work
Not sure how long the cutter blade would last cutting canvas all the time
Thank you Keith, the canvas has a 2" core I was just worried about the material thickness. I use an epson sc t3200 at the moment which is brilliant but need the printer to be a bit more portable.
I tried a sheet canvas in the printer and it was OK - I've not got a roll though.
Thank you very much Keith much appreciated😁
Does it print on canvas?
Not specifically supported. It should print if you can get it onto a 2″ core and it’s not too thick. I didn’t have any available to test this.
I’d suspect the cutter is not up to regular cutting of canvas though. I’ve seen several printers with paper cutters warn against cutting canvas, since it dulls the blade and the additional cutting force can damage the blade transport mechanism.
where do you get that paper? thanks
From Canon
Water resistant Matte 115gsm
@@KeithCooper cant find it as a roll ?
do you have a link ?
Canon sent me a roll of it years ago when I was reviewing the PRO-2000
Still widely listed as "Canon Water-Resistant Matte Polypropylene"
www.northlight-images.co.uk/canon-water-resistant-matte-paper-review/
@@whitefootimages
Keith, Why on God's Earth does a printer paper need to be water resistant?
Outdoor exhibitions in the UK... ;-)
As I said it's a sample media I've had for years. I can imagine that it would be useful for temporary signage and posters.
@@KeithCooper a1 posters on the street