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@@thetake Could you do a video on this topic please? Women getting impregnated by aliens in horror movies. Women turning into bloated hives for alien reproduction. Misogynist, sexist, rape culture or pushing a fear of aliens? Is it possible to make a good alien horror movie without resorting to alien pregnancy?
1 word dinosaur farts, lol!!!!!! think cow farts are bad!!!!!!!!!! gobal warming , or CC is more ore less H.A.A.R.P or done by cloud seeding in the 1980;s the governments agreed to sign a war treaty not to be able to use climate/ weather warfare. evem JFK said they want to be able to control the weather and go to the 1 moon. they have done 1 of those things for sure. watch a funny thing happen on the way to the moon, I mean they cant ever go today but yet before the micro process was invent they some how went up there 60 some years ago hahhahah! but ya they sau methane is worse then co2 withc is food for trees wtich gives us oxygen so
What we often miss out is that Third-World Countries (mostly located in the tropics) are the worst affected in Climate Change. The fossil fuel lobbies will not give up, there are hardly any big investments in Clean Energy and it’s only getting worse for younger generations.
Because clean renewable energy dosent even come close to the fossil fuels and nuclear energy. Put solar panels across the sahara and you only powered western Europe, not to mention the logistics and resources that would be needed for all panels to just get there and we would have expended all the lithium reserves in the world. Its simple economics, if it had little return with energy output and capital, it's not a good and wise investemnt
@@СемёнЖибицкий That's not the full picture. Third world countries have started adopting renewable sources of energy. First world capitalists though have their tentacles all across the globe, be it in exploiting their fossil fuels via wars or deals with fascist rulers or making shady deals with governments to monopolize local markets with genetically modified seeds engineered to ensure lesser produce. Let's not pretend fossil fuel lobbyists are in this for anyone or anything else other than their overstuffed pockets.
Myths, legends, and stories are meant for people to learn from and take action. When people stop believing in the myths, they stop learning and they stop taking action.
I do think stories can and do inspire positive social change, but the comparison needs to be fair. If the story equivalent isn't a fair representation of the real threat that we need to act upon, it distorts our understanding of the threat and by extension, our ability to respond to the event appropriately.
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It doesn't help when regular people have no real power to change most things, no matter how much we unite and protest
Ultimately the White Walkers allegory is perhaps faulty because they themselves are presented as a force of nature whilst being simultaneously the antagonists. Lord of the Rings is more effective because industrialization, war, and greed are the malignant, destructive, enemy forces, not nature itself.
@@bigalexa8476 True, I don't think they were ever meant to be taken as a 100% accurate allegory. But still, the Lord of the Rings has an overall stronger environmental message than A Song of Ice and Fire.
I feel like the climate allegory about the Others isn’t fully complete yet, though. In the show, it’s shown that the Children of the Forest created the Others/White Walkers as a weapon to use against humans, but they don’t really go into the war between the First Men and the Children. The First Men were burning the ancestors (Weirwoods) of the Children and actively destroying the lands where the Children lived. It was a brutal conflict that caused the Children to literally split Westeros from the mainland of Essos to prevent any more humans crossing over. The White Walkers were probably created by the Children to be used as a weapon against humans, since they’re impervious to human weapons and only weak to the Children’s own weapons. However, at some point they became a big enough threat to both races that the First men and the Children formed a pact (probably with the Others) to seal them up North and the Starks were probably supposed to sacrifice humans to the Others every so often. They kept to themselves for thousands of years (and Craster was probably providing the sacrifices needed for a while), but after the rebirth of dragons and magic as a whole with Danaerys, it seems like that pace between the Others and First men was broken. That’s when they became active again. Honesty, it seems to be a better allegory to compare the Children to the humans of our word when it comes to climate change, since they were the ones who created the evil that threatens all of Planetos.
@@jacobodom8401 came here to say Zootopia as well haha. If I had a nickel for every poorly thought out racism metaphor in a mid-2010s Disney property, I’d have three nickels, which isn’t a lot, but-
@@jacobodom8401, seconded. Apparently, Zootopia was originally going to have a visual representation of predators being oppressed by making them wear shock collars. The creators trashed that idea because they thought it would be "too disturbing" for kids and make them "dislike" the world of Zootopia. Like... you're making a movie about DISCRIMINATION. Isn't the entire POINT not to like that world??
Surprised you didn't include Dune ('21) in this. Denis Villeneuve is adamant about filming in real environments while at the same time holding respect and humility for nature. A highlighted theme from the book is that while the desert planet Arrakis is incredibly hostile, the Fremen have learned to adapt to their environment and even thrive. I think one thing film can do is highlight the beauty and wonder of nature while also showing it's incredible power, something represented by the giant sandworms in Dune.
The book was dedicated to ecologists. They study the environment, and try to improve it. One of the quandaries in the book was whether or not to terraform Arrakis, because it would kill the worms and melange production would end.
Disaster Movies is literally the USA acting cool in a large, windowless room with 10,000 quips as dialogues and then the climax is a near-death experience and then someone presses a button or has a sentimental thought and VOILA THE EARTH IS SAVED.
I'm honestly not surprised people have trouble with things like climate change. Think about all the crazy crap we were taught as kids and some people still believe as adults with religion and all sorts of other things. On top of that a lot of people believe that most of the news is just put there to keep you watching and to keep you scared and people have believed that since I was little. For some people it's hard to separate fact and fiction because they're not even sure where to get real fact. I don't think the average person is going to care until they don't have a choice and unfortunately by the time that happens it will be too late.
Also it's really difficult to be putting the informations out since it's such a complex problem. "How it could be a global warming when the winter is cold?" and such question. I study biology, I get these a lot. There's absolutely no groundwork done in most normal people for these kinds of information. And people don't like what they can't understand. That leads scientists and populasations to be letting out informations that are somewhat half baked. Which can be easily turn on their head. Which makes people believe them even less. It's a difficult reality.
I'm currently doing my master's degree in Disaster Resilience and Sustainable Development. Here's another challenge: According to research, video presentations actually do little to increase individual efficacy on climate change action (Hornsey et al., 2021a; Hornsey et al., 2021b) (ie: showing people movies about how they can address climate change usually doesn't lead to them taking climate action). Instead, what is shown to work is: Understanding how climate change threatens one's loved ones and home (Masson & Fritsche, 2021). Developing an identity as an environmentalist, or similarly strong attachment to the ecosystem of one's home (Vesely et al., 2021). Seeing other people take action on climate change (Hornesy et al., 2021b). Joining social groups that do take climate action, such as clubs and civic organizations (Brath et al., 2021). Perhaps the best thing cinema can do to engage people in climate change is deliver stories about how their homes and loved ones will be impacted, what people are already doing to mitigate and adapt to climate change, and encourage them to join their local climate action organization.
Yes... fear will motivate people more than warm, fuzzy feelings... especially in a field with basically zero concrete evidence. I'm of the opinion that we are certainly not helping Earth, but that we are probably not doing as much harm as some people would like everyone to believe. Past predictions have been inaccurate too many times to let us destroy people's lives in the hopes of attempting to save their descendants from something that may never come to pass. 53 or 54% of the members of the American Meteorological Society believe that people are having an effect on the climate (not driving climate change, but having ANY effect at all)... this 97% number that's constantly quoted is BS. Now, if you're saying that the climate is changing... sure it is; it is always changing. And before I get too terribly crucified for being a 'Climate Change Denier' (which I'm not), I am also of the opinion that we're better safe than sorry and should push for cleaner energy sources, but I do not see the point in destroying the opportunities of, potentially, billions of people by removing sufficient energy to allow their home countries to raise their standards of living. It's nice and easy in the first world to look at other folks in less developed countries and basically say that they don't deserve all the things that you have had for the entirety of your life. Lastly, if we're already past the point of no return then we should probably devote more time to adaptation and mitigation than to completely stopping the advancement of the human condition across the globe. The fact of the matter is that most of the world's population will be largely unaffected by climate change for quite a long time and as George Carlin said, "One of these days the Earth is going to shake us off like a bad cold." There's nothing hateful in here, just a centrist opinion... let's see what I get in return.
Also a lot of these "allegories" for "climate change" don't actually look at the root of issue (i.e. colonialism and imperialism) and instead offer petit-bourgeois solutions that serve the powerful who perpetuate the climate crisis
I know commenting before watching all of it is bad, but ADHD and also something g that bothers me a lot, which I see very frequently- “If *humankind* can’t overcome blah blah” Sure, but it’s not “humankind” is it? It’s the rich amd their corporations doing the worst of it, supported by many of us who aren’t necessarily THE rich, but who live in richer countries. It’s Amazon, but it’s also those of us who use the service because it’s the most convenient, and who vote for politicians who wrote laws that benefit people like Bezos. It’s not humanity as a whole. It’s not people in the Global South, who have the lowest carbon emissions per capita, but who somehow always get the blame when people trot out the ecofascist Malthusian overpopulation bs. Which is not true, and never has been, but which is also heavily linked to eugenics. Malthus thought the best way to deal with the spectre of overpopulation was to just kill off the poor. Considering how much of the overpopulation myth now centres on poor people in Asia and Africa “having too many kids”, it’s not like the nasty undertones have left the idea. So no. It is not “humankind” that needs to overcome climate change. It’s corporations and governments of rich developed countries, and the people of those countries need to understand that the best thing we can do is demand that change from our governments - because this individualised approach is only another way in which corporations push off the blame onto individual people so as not to have to give up their ridiculous profits. Does anyone actually think outlawing plastic straws is going to save the world? When they’re only 0.0025% of the ocean waste, but waste from commercial fishing is over 60%? There’s a reason those big fishing companies give money to ocean clean up “charities” that focus on straws over changing laws to make dumping nets illegal. There’s a reason Bill Gates focuses on technology (and overpopulation myths) rather than anything that might actually help. It’s not humankind. It’s just the rich and those that enable them. And a little bit us, but mostly it’s not us, and it’s absolutely not some poor family in Namibia or Laos. What “humankind” needs to overcome is supporting capitalism, because capitalism will never deal with climate change as long as pollution is profitable.
wow, your writing is good. the structure is so sweeping, yet so seamless. And you practice what you teach by concluding with hopeful initiatives. Thank you, this was illuminating.
My favorite commentary is during an episode of Snowpiercer when a former financier brags about having a major investment portfolio and everyone looks at her because money does not matter after tur world becomes frozen.
One of my favourite environmental stories is the video game Horizon Zero Dawn. Without spoiling it for anyone, I think it’s a truely incredible game that demonstrates the very serious price humans have to pay for their disregard of natural law. However it’s also a story about hope and shows the beauty of a post-civilisation world - a world humans can thrive in if we learn to respect it.
@Erwin Lii exactly! They had a chance to raise a new generation of humans who would be conscious of their effect on the environment from the OUTSET, and Faro threw it all away so he could erase his own mistakes from history and clear his name
I think Avatar the Last Airbender and the Legend of Korra are both allegories for climate change in one way or another. From the start of Avatar we see the humble Southern water tribe surrounded by and respectful of their natural environment, contrasted against the fire nation with their dark, metal ships spewing black smoke into the air. The fire nation repeatedly destroy the natural environment for their personal gain. The battle between the northern water tribe and general Zhao is literally a battle between one tribe whose daily life is interwoven with and highly respectful of their environment, against an armada of metal, pollution and ash. Zhao attempts to kill the moon spirit, throwing the entire world out of balance,just to win glory and power. Fire lord Ozai is eventually defeated by Aang, whose upbringing as an airbender sees him respect the natural world and value balance above personal gain.
People who care about the environment need to talk more about how animal agriculture is the leading cause of greenhouse gas emissions, water acidification, and deforestation. Grass fed is even more damaging as it takes more land and water for less product and the majority of animals are fed dry grass with a few more square feet per cow, rather than the idyllic green pastures so many people imagine.
The single most effective series I’ve seen about climate change is French : L’effondrement. It is scary, realistic, emotional... and deeply disturbing. A must watch for everyone
Yeah, I loved Rakka. I hope that and Firestorm (from Oats Studios) get adapted into feature films) Do you mean Jon or Chris Nolan? Coz Jon has written the screenplay and the short stories for the film's his brother Chris directed but he's only directed 3 eps of Westworld and 1 ep of Person of Interest. Jon did "create" both of those shows, and by director I did mean who would you choose to have creative control and both Neil & Jon would be great.
Neal Stephenson just released “Termination Shock” a techno-thriller about Climate Change about how “One man who has a master plan, an elemental one, to reverse the effects of climate change”. I think that’s very accurately written.
Thank you so much for making this!!! I've always wondered why there aren't more fictionalized films showing what could be possible in getting us from where we are now to where we want to be. People need to see what that lifestyle could look like in order to see themselves in it. I'm not saying that there's just one way -- I think what's exciting is that there could be a while genre exploring these possibilities.
I'm going to chalk this one up to be because they want their stories to actually be entertaining first, and then an allegory and shorttracking it is the easiest way to do it
CAN WE CALL OUT DISNEY: Who after just releasing MOANA, went on to create Aulani: a Disney Resort & Spa on Oahu. ISN'T THIS SOMETHING THAT WOULD ENRAGE TE FITI, OR NAH?! Clearly they did not learn anything from what they do, and they're just out to copyright on culture and experiences in the guise of cultural appreciation. Colonialism at its most devious.
Last week all the Soap Opera's and Continual drama's in the UK joined together and all referenced and focussed episodes on Climate Change and did little cross overs. Over 3 channels BBC1, ITV and Channel 4 and 5 different TV shows Emmerdale, Coronation Street, EastEnders, Hollyoaks, Holby City and Casualty they all came together and highlighted the issues and that is admirable. These are like some of the most watched TV shows in the UK. They pull in millions of viewers and with them being soap operas their purpose is to show real people and highlight real issues so them highlighting the issue of Climate Change can be integrated so easily into the shows. These shows are pretty low budget but like they highlighted this issue way better than big budget Hollywood movies.
Missing: Star Trek. One of the earliest examples of tackling environmental topics and how to overcome destructive structures (well, after WW III, but maybe we can do without?).
I find the space race especially irksome. The idea that we can colonise Mars, a planet half the size of Earth, when we don't even have the technology to put a human on there, is such a childish dream. Humanity might go there one day, but it is most likely not going to be an actual colony for a couple of centuries.
Being in a Space Race advances many types of technologies. It happened when we went to the Moon. Colonizing Mars would definitely take much time and resources but pursuing it could help us unlock Terraforming technologies. If so, then theoretically we should be able to terraform Earth anytime we want.
@@luhedi6303 That will require technology to allow a spacecraft make the journey from Earth to Mars and back again, which will probably take a very long time to develop as the distance is really far.
@Erwin Lii I am more concerned with the whole gravitational pole and exposure to solar radiation. But I think the plan is just Mars, as Venus is such a fiery inferno, a spacecraft would never be able to land on it.
@@CarnageTrooperx Yes, there would certainly be a lot of groundbreaking technology to get humanity there. But that process is so very very long that we can't rely on it to do anything for us here on Earth right now. We could spend the next decade(s) focusing on Earth and going green, before then using green technologies to develop sustainable ways of developing technologies to colonise other planets. And perhaps, the focus should then be on developing space stations like Elysium instead of trying to reach Mars.
One of your guys best videos. Manages to capture all the relevant sides of the topic with very pointed examples to demonstrate. Just one of the reasons this is my favorite film channel on UA-cam right now!!
What I got from this video: Climate change is an urgent problem, therefore allegories about it in art should not be subtle or complicated. Stories about climate change - or any urgent issue - should be written for the average, most common denominator, palatable for mass consumption in order to have any impact. I am very, VERY wary of this position. Just because a work of art about an important issue didn’t click with most people doesn’t mean it’s a failure. That seems to imply that art is only useful if it’s made for mass consumption in a capitalist market. Anything made for “most people” has the power to subordinate once independent milieus. Cultural hegemony and homogeny shouldn’t be the goal. You do not have to like Aronofsky’s “mother.” I actually hate when folks are pressured into watching, discussing, or revering that movie, even though I happen to like it. If “mother” doesn’t appeal to one audience, then “Fern Gully” will appeal. And “Fern Gully” won’t appeal to another audience, so they get “Avatar.” Just because something promotes a good idea to a niche demographic doesn’t make it useless.
I agree. It's a narrative. There are certain expectations that are just unfair to have of a movie. A movie can be very explicit and hit you over the head with the message that climate change is bad and call you to action (which I agree with!) but it would be obnoxious and probably not successful. There is a difference between the documentaries they plugged and a narrative movie. That doesn't mean though allegories/themes in movies can't be powerful. Still, you can't throw the craft away and put the message over everything else.
Yes! I've waited so long for someone to speak about this. I used to think fiction works about dystopian/post-apocaliptyc societies were enough but it doesn't seem like..
The best book (nonfiction) with realistic optimism about climate change is This Changes Everything by Naomi Klein. In part of her book she talks about a potential future where we can improve civilization in a sustainable way, while also being realistic about how much damage has already been done and is all but locked in. We can still stay under 2 C of warming and avoid the worst effects of climate change, but we are virtually locked into 1.5 C of warming (which is already considered catastrophic). But we have to change the way we live and operate society, especially the most privileged among us and wealthy countries as a whole, if we want any chance at doing that.
I'd really love a Netflix series on actual people living better lives by fighting climate change. From farmers to CEOs, students to policy makers. I think we just have to see how progress is possible.
@@kalystaortiz3701 I wasn't implying one's life is better than another, rather that it'd be great to see how different people in different positions can tackle the climate change in their everyday lives. Policy makers, students, farmers, and CEOs would all have these different and interesting perspectives. I agree there's a lot of content out there, but much of it can be difficult to watch. I think many times the issue is that people do care, but feel helpless to actually take charge and contribute to good efforts. Instead of shutting down and tuning out, I think people could benefit from being inspired by the good work that is going on. Look at Team Trees & Team Seas, the work Dr Jane Goodall and of movements like Chipko in India and the Green Belt Movement led by Wangari Maathai. There are sources of inspiration that should reach far more eyes and ears than they do.
So the Take Away from this video is Animated movies do a much better job. Whether that's because the messages are simpler for an expected younger audience, or because the creators have bolder visions, I couldn't say. However, they have often had bigger impacts on cultural consciousness than documentaries or disaster movies.
One thing it's important to discuss is how far-reaching and negative has the lobbying of fossil fuel corporations been. Already by mid 20th century, scientists working for EXXON mobile predicted the impact greenhouse gases would have, yet they quieted them down. Despite this, there was a growing concern in the 80's and 90's about the future of the planet, and the negative impact civilisation had on nature. At that time, climate change was a relatively neutral term. But by the 2000's, corporations cultivated skepticism in the topic by funding fake or insincere research contradicting the general consensus on climate change, and lobbying authorities and the media into postponing or negating renewable energy sources. This turned the topic into a political one, especially in the USA, and divided the audience into those who believe in climate science (usually the left or centre) and those who think it's fake or that there's a lack of evidence (usually the far-right), effectively slowing down action and giving fossil fuel corporations more time to amass wealth. The fact that these companies made us reach this critical point, when could have started half a century ago, shows how greedy and selfish these people are, and why is it important that society unite and demand authorities to act. Climate change is having and will continue to impact us, regardless of our political views. On the bright side, it seems the world is finally grasping the urgency of the situation, and becoming more proactive. Sustainability is being discussed and practiced more and more. Individual action is important, but it's urgent that we demand governments to take action the same way we demand action for other economic and social related issues.
The White Walkers aren't an allegory for Climate Change. Martin just said that he has no problem people making connections between his world and the real world, he isn't writting and allegory. He and Tolkien before him didn't present their stories as allegories...
would be interested to see a video on stereotypes surrounding environmentalists/vegans/social justice activists! how they're often made fun of and the butt of the joke as a way to dismiss the issues those people advocate for
It’s too bad that the classic sci-fi works of Isaac Asimov, Arthur C. Clarke, and Robert Heinlein haven’t yet been properly interpreted on screen ( exempting 2001 Space Odyssey) since their works were actually based on real science and their futurist visions were based on that. I think if they were, people might be inspired. Apple TV just did Asimov’s “Foundation” but they even managed to screw that up from Asimov’s original vision.
Awesome topic and video. I do almost all of my writing/printing on recycled paper. Every little bit helps! Very cool to learn about those Green production companies
Thank you - as someone with a research background in related questions, I appreciated this video very much. I would love for you to do a deeper dive into First Reformed at some point, which was a remarkable film.
21:56 the mere fact that they have Nestle sponsoring their summit or whatever tells me: just like telling everyone to do our part and deal w annoying AF recycling bins, this is misdirection.
OK i'm returning to this comment section after watching Netflix's "Don't Look Up" and... ugh, what an infuriatingly messy movie. It just wallows in its cake and then eats it. Its metaphor is very fishy (climate change is NOT like an asteroid in quite a few ways, and i think your video essay helped me see clearly through that), but i can appreciate what they tried to do. But it manages to make a end-of-the-world catastrophe into a personal drama. IDK, so many things irked me about this movie. The showy special effects, while tsk-tsk-ing at the cheap hollywood movie cashing in on the comet. the reduction of public discourse to a single monolith of denialism. The extreme lack of interest for popular uprisings and grassroots organizing. The entirely US-centric story. Anyway, i'm still processing but i thought this was so relevant to this video, and reminded me so much of it, that i wanted to mention it here =) thank you again.
If the whitewalkers from GOT were always meant to be an algory for climate change, why make the prophecy about one person who defeats it instead of making the defeat of the whitewalkers a union between kingdoms or something that would actually correlate with real life climate change?
People are jaded on this type of problems it's scary and disappointing, some only post or take action because it's trendy and goes back on their harmful lifestyle after the trend is over.
Zoo and Wayward Pines (the books more than the shows) were really interesting looks at the scenario in which we're too far gone and the planet has engineered its defenses against us.
What really annoys me about the White Walker allegory, is how the final season of Game Of Thrones completely shattered that theory in how horribly the conflict was resolved in a single strike by Arya. Like if the show really wanted to stay true to George R R Martin's allegory, the White Walkers should have won the Battle For Winterfell.
Ok. Maybe mother! was confusing but honestly... That was the first time I genuinely freaked out about climate change. More specifically the whole people invading the house situation. I was shocked by the message.
John oliver ❤️ if you guys ever decide to make a video entirely on his show I would absolutely watch and then bother my friends to watch it too, just as I do with LWT every week
I think if they just left the costumes worn by extras and minor characters for period-based or fantasy-based-on-a-period shows in a warehouse or something, each time there's a new one for that period, most of the new cast could use the same costumes. Some tailoring might be needed, but that would be so much less waste over time.
Before seeing your video, I did not realise how much the US public needed the Al Gore movie to hear about climate change. In the rest of the world, it's been spoken about widely since decades... that explains so much about the actual political imobility. (And how bad is US cultural hegemony...)
Americans always put on every sensitive issue word war: War on Christmas, War in Seuss books, War on Cancer, War in terror. We need same tactics as Hollywood disaster movies WAR ON CLIAMTE CHANGE lol.
there is no escape, we are doomed. Evil won, earth is doomed, and so are us. And the evil ones that doomed us will live out their lives with confort and lust.
The film industry teach us how to live our life, what to expect from our life etc. They can change the world if they want to. No one promote Starbuck better than they did 😏
🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ Completely different genres with different objectives are incomparable. George R.R. Martin didn't set out to produce green propaganda, that goal could've been achieved much easily without writing such a complex story about a medieval fantasy world.
Why should a piece of fiction be bound to only one objective? That's so limiting. Makes no sense. Completely different genres can still overlap in many areas, including objectives. I know you're saying that the objectives are different as well, but that's entirely an assumption. And then you say it would've been easier to do things another way for that purpose, but why should that even be considered a point? I'm not saying his main objective was to make an environmentalist allegory, but that it can work as such and there's no reason to think it wasn't intentional to include that in a story that he wanted to write and make complex for his own creative reasons.
@@RicardoPetinga Of course, it shouldn't be bound do one objective, not sure where you got that from. I made this comment before the video came out and it had a different preview image, saying something like "this isn't enough" under the Night King, which prompted me to write this comment. ASOIAF addresses many social issues, and I find it ridiculous to call it out on not doing enough for one specific cause.
It seems very much like a call to hit you over the head with the message and to put the message over narrative. I agree that climate change is bad and we need to act. But movies are movies while documentaries are documentaries for a reason.
@@Sandra-rc5uc Exactly. There are people whose job it is to explain how climate change works, what it is, how to prevent it, etc. That is NOT the job of a writer of fiction. Fiction will contain morals, themes, social commentary, etc., and we can be critical of how certain elements are portrayed (like propagating misinformation). But it is totally unfair to say that a writer has failed in doing their job if certain audience members don't pick up on a particular allegory or theme. Hell, one could argue the average audience member doesn't pick up on most themes, if any! Even works with the clearest of messages will be misinterpreted. Just look at Squid Game and the people who argue it isn't critical of capitalism.
@@VoidStone It's unfair criticism. I feel like a lot of media criticism has expectations of a piece of art that it can't meet or didn't even aim to meet.
I've given up on the idea that the issue will be tackled before the real catastrophe has set in, maybe in 80 years or so. I've taken university courses on aerosol physics and interdisciplinary lectures on other aspects of climate change and a major take away was that capitalist countries like especially the US, Canada and the Middle East etc. are way too reliant on their profits from fossil fuels and there are not enough immediate incentives to give that up. They will pay lip service to climate action and put on some band aids but in the world as it is profits dictate policy. I don't have any hope that significant warming can be prevented, it doesn't seem realistic to me. Maybe the worst case scenario will be prevented once future generations are already seeing undeniable consequences (there already are but some people still manage to deny them).
I really like your videos, but I don't think the point of art is to tell people what to do or inspire change necessarily, so I disagree with the point of this essay.
i think another failed climate change narrative is the Thanos storyline in Avengers: Infinity war and Endgame. Thanos is the character who is seemingly most aware and passionate about the "lack of resources", which is an obvious aspect of climate change. The issue is that his solution is mass genocide so...whats the message there? Why is the one guy concerned about the wellbeing and resources of the universe also genocidal? Why is no alternative to him presented other than "stop Thanos"? I'd be interested to see Marvel tackle this issue more in phase 4 since the population doubled overnight and theres presumably way fewer resources around the world. I know they bring it up a bit in Falcon and the Winter soldier but im wondering if that will be a theme going forward
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@@thetake Could you do a video on this topic please?
Women getting impregnated by aliens in horror movies. Women turning into bloated hives for alien reproduction.
Misogynist, sexist, rape culture or pushing a fear of aliens?
Is it possible to make a good alien horror movie without resorting to alien pregnancy?
1 word dinosaur farts, lol!!!!!! think cow farts are bad!!!!!!!!!! gobal warming , or CC is more ore less H.A.A.R.P or done by cloud seeding in the 1980;s the governments agreed to sign a war treaty not to be able to use climate/ weather warfare. evem JFK said they want to be able to control the weather and go to the 1 moon. they have done 1 of those things for sure. watch a funny thing happen on the way to the moon, I mean they cant ever go today but yet before the micro process was invent they some how went up there 60 some years ago hahhahah! but ya they sau methane is worse then co2 withc is food for trees wtich gives us oxygen so
What we often miss out is that Third-World Countries (mostly located in the tropics) are the worst affected in Climate Change. The fossil fuel lobbies will not give up, there are hardly any big investments in Clean Energy and it’s only getting worse for younger generations.
What you miss is that forgoing fossil fuels would affect third world countries the most. many communities would be left without water and electricity
Because clean renewable energy dosent even come close to the fossil fuels and nuclear energy. Put solar panels across the sahara and you only powered western Europe, not to mention the logistics and resources that would be needed for all panels to just get there and we would have expended all the lithium reserves in the world. Its simple economics, if it had little return with energy output and capital, it's not a good and wise investemnt
Bruh I live in a country that’s 66 percent under sea level please stop your cap
@@СемёнЖибицкий That's not the full picture. Third world countries have started adopting renewable sources of energy. First world capitalists though have their tentacles all across the globe, be it in exploiting their fossil fuels via wars or deals with fascist rulers or making shady deals with governments to monopolize local markets with genetically modified seeds engineered to ensure lesser produce. Let's not pretend fossil fuel lobbyists are in this for anyone or anything else other than their overstuffed pockets.
@@inigobantok1579 The "logistics and resources" needed for that would create countless safer and less labor intensive jobs.
Myths, legends, and stories are meant for people to learn from and take action. When people stop believing in the myths, they stop learning and they stop taking action.
I do think stories can and do inspire positive social change, but the comparison needs to be fair. If the story equivalent isn't a fair representation of the real threat that we need to act upon, it distorts our understanding of the threat and by extension, our ability to respond to the event appropriately.
It doesn't help when regular people have no real power to change most things, no matter how much we unite and protest
If they don't believe myths shouldn't the be seeing the reality instead of focusing on fake shit
@@danielcorona2328 And how is that working out for people today? The reality is right in front of us.
@ I think you underestimate what an average person is capable of, and what a unified group of average people is capable of.
Ultimately the White Walkers allegory is perhaps faulty because they themselves are presented as a force of nature whilst being simultaneously the antagonists.
Lord of the Rings is more effective because industrialization, war, and greed are the malignant, destructive, enemy forces, not nature itself.
@@bigalexa8476 True, I don't think they were ever meant to be taken as a 100% accurate allegory.
But still, the Lord of the Rings has an overall stronger environmental message than A Song of Ice and Fire.
I feel like the climate allegory about the Others isn’t fully complete yet, though. In the show, it’s shown that the Children of the Forest created the Others/White Walkers as a weapon to use against humans, but they don’t really go into the war between the First Men and the Children. The First Men were burning the ancestors (Weirwoods) of the Children and actively destroying the lands where the Children lived. It was a brutal conflict that caused the Children to literally split Westeros from the mainland of Essos to prevent any more humans crossing over. The White Walkers were probably created by the Children to be used as a weapon against humans, since they’re impervious to human weapons and only weak to the Children’s own weapons. However, at some point they became a big enough threat to both races that the First men and the Children formed a pact (probably with the Others) to seal them up North and the Starks were probably supposed to sacrifice humans to the Others every so often. They kept to themselves for thousands of years (and Craster was probably providing the sacrifices needed for a while), but after the rebirth of dragons and magic as a whole with Danaerys, it seems like that pace between the Others and First men was broken. That’s when they became active again.
Honesty, it seems to be a better allegory to compare the Children to the humans of our word when it comes to climate change, since they were the ones who created the evil that threatens all of Planetos.
The take should do one on racism allegories and how Hollywood do them poorly.
Seconded.
like Zootopia
just a robot did a really great video about this
@@jacobodom8401 came here to say Zootopia as well haha. If I had a nickel for every poorly thought out racism metaphor in a mid-2010s Disney property, I’d have three nickels, which isn’t a lot, but-
@@jacobodom8401, seconded. Apparently, Zootopia was originally going to have a visual representation of predators being oppressed by making them wear shock collars. The creators trashed that idea because they thought it would be "too disturbing" for kids and make them "dislike" the world of Zootopia. Like... you're making a movie about DISCRIMINATION. Isn't the entire POINT not to like that world??
Please make a video about the "zombie apocalypse" trope. There's so much to analyze, mostly now after the pandemic
Yes, and let it include Dead Set by Charlie Brooker.
"After"?
The pandemic isn't over. Won't be until there is a cure...and we see how people react to vaccinations, so...
@@JAWbreaker316 Yes, you are right.
They already did
Surprised you didn't include Dune ('21) in this. Denis Villeneuve is adamant about filming in real environments while at the same time holding respect and humility for nature. A highlighted theme from the book is that while the desert planet Arrakis is incredibly hostile, the Fremen have learned to adapt to their environment and even thrive. I think one thing film can do is highlight the beauty and wonder of nature while also showing it's incredible power, something represented by the giant sandworms in Dune.
The book was dedicated to ecologists. They study the environment, and try to improve it. One of the quandaries in the book was whether or not to terraform Arrakis, because it would kill the worms and melange production would end.
I've heard some people point out an environmentalist undercurrent in Blade Runner 2049 too, so it's clearly something that he's very passionate about
Disaster Movies is literally the USA acting cool in a large, windowless room with 10,000 quips as dialogues and then the climax is a near-death experience and then someone presses a button or has a sentimental thought and VOILA THE EARTH IS SAVED.
Yh!!!
I'm honestly not surprised people have trouble with things like climate change. Think about all the crazy crap we were taught as kids and some people still believe as adults with religion and all sorts of other things. On top of that a lot of people believe that most of the news is just put there to keep you watching and to keep you scared and people have believed that since I was little. For some people it's hard to separate fact and fiction because they're not even sure where to get real fact. I don't think the average person is going to care until they don't have a choice and unfortunately by the time that happens it will be too late.
Also it's really difficult to be putting the informations out since it's such a complex problem. "How it could be a global warming when the winter is cold?" and such question. I study biology, I get these a lot. There's absolutely no groundwork done in most normal people for these kinds of information.
And people don't like what they can't understand.
That leads scientists and populasations to be letting out informations that are somewhat half baked. Which can be easily turn on their head. Which makes people believe them even less.
It's a difficult reality.
I'm currently doing my master's degree in Disaster Resilience and Sustainable Development. Here's another challenge:
According to research, video presentations actually do little to increase individual efficacy on climate change action (Hornsey et al., 2021a; Hornsey et al., 2021b) (ie: showing people movies about how they can address climate change usually doesn't lead to them taking climate action).
Instead, what is shown to work is:
Understanding how climate change threatens one's loved ones and home (Masson & Fritsche, 2021).
Developing an identity as an environmentalist, or similarly strong attachment to the ecosystem of one's home (Vesely et al., 2021).
Seeing other people take action on climate change (Hornesy et al., 2021b).
Joining social groups that do take climate action, such as clubs and civic organizations (Brath et al., 2021).
Perhaps the best thing cinema can do to engage people in climate change is deliver stories about how their homes and loved ones will be impacted, what people are already doing to mitigate and adapt to climate change, and encourage them to join their local climate action organization.
this is really important!
Yes... fear will motivate people more than warm, fuzzy feelings... especially in a field with basically zero concrete evidence. I'm of the opinion that we are certainly not helping Earth, but that we are probably not doing as much harm as some people would like everyone to believe. Past predictions have been inaccurate too many times to let us destroy people's lives in the hopes of attempting to save their descendants from something that may never come to pass. 53 or 54% of the members of the American Meteorological Society believe that people are having an effect on the climate (not driving climate change, but having ANY effect at all)... this 97% number that's constantly quoted is BS. Now, if you're saying that the climate is changing... sure it is; it is always changing. And before I get too terribly crucified for being a 'Climate Change Denier' (which I'm not), I am also of the opinion that we're better safe than sorry and should push for cleaner energy sources, but I do not see the point in destroying the opportunities of, potentially, billions of people by removing sufficient energy to allow their home countries to raise their standards of living. It's nice and easy in the first world to look at other folks in less developed countries and basically say that they don't deserve all the things that you have had for the entirety of your life. Lastly, if we're already past the point of no return then we should probably devote more time to adaptation and mitigation than to completely stopping the advancement of the human condition across the globe. The fact of the matter is that most of the world's population will be largely unaffected by climate change for quite a long time and as George Carlin said, "One of these days the Earth is going to shake us off like a bad cold."
There's nothing hateful in here, just a centrist opinion... let's see what I get in return.
Also a lot of these "allegories" for "climate change" don't actually look at the root of issue (i.e. colonialism and imperialism) and instead offer petit-bourgeois solutions that serve the powerful who perpetuate the climate crisis
More like industrialization
I know commenting before watching all of it is bad, but ADHD and also something g that bothers me a lot, which I see very frequently- “If *humankind* can’t overcome blah blah”
Sure, but it’s not “humankind” is it? It’s the rich amd their corporations doing the worst of it, supported by many of us who aren’t necessarily THE rich, but who live in richer countries. It’s Amazon, but it’s also those of us who use the service because it’s the most convenient, and who vote for politicians who wrote laws that benefit people like Bezos.
It’s not humanity as a whole. It’s not people in the Global South, who have the lowest carbon emissions per capita, but who somehow always get the blame when people trot out the ecofascist Malthusian overpopulation bs. Which is not true, and never has been, but which is also heavily linked to eugenics. Malthus thought the best way to deal with the spectre of overpopulation was to just kill off the poor. Considering how much of the overpopulation myth now centres on poor people in Asia and Africa “having too many kids”, it’s not like the nasty undertones have left the idea.
So no. It is not “humankind” that needs to overcome climate change. It’s corporations and governments of rich developed countries, and the people of those countries need to understand that the best thing we can do is demand that change from our governments - because this individualised approach is only another way in which corporations push off the blame onto individual people so as not to have to give up their ridiculous profits. Does anyone actually think outlawing plastic straws is going to save the world? When they’re only 0.0025% of the ocean waste, but waste from commercial fishing is over 60%? There’s a reason those big fishing companies give money to ocean clean up “charities” that focus on straws over changing laws to make dumping nets illegal. There’s a reason Bill Gates focuses on technology (and overpopulation myths) rather than anything that might actually help.
It’s not humankind. It’s just the rich and those that enable them. And a little bit us, but mostly it’s not us, and it’s absolutely not some poor family in Namibia or Laos. What “humankind” needs to overcome is supporting capitalism, because capitalism will never deal with climate change as long as pollution is profitable.
Yes!!!
wow, your writing is good. the structure is so sweeping, yet so seamless. And you practice what you teach by concluding with hopeful initiatives. Thank you, this was illuminating.
My favorite commentary is during an episode of Snowpiercer when a former financier brags about having a major investment portfolio and everyone looks at her because money does not matter after tur world becomes frozen.
One of my favourite environmental stories is the video game Horizon Zero Dawn. Without spoiling it for anyone, I think it’s a truely incredible game that demonstrates the very serious price humans have to pay for their disregard of natural law. However it’s also a story about hope and shows the beauty of a post-civilisation world - a world humans can thrive in if we learn to respect it.
@Erwin Lii exactly! They had a chance to raise a new generation of humans who would be conscious of their effect on the environment from the OUTSET, and Faro threw it all away so he could erase his own mistakes from history and clear his name
@Erwin Lii oh my gosh I’ve done three play throughs and I still cry at that part
@@reybalderstone the irony is the data that survived was how he failed
I think Avatar the Last Airbender and the Legend of Korra are both allegories for climate change in one way or another. From the start of Avatar we see the humble Southern water tribe surrounded by and respectful of their natural environment, contrasted against the fire nation with their dark, metal ships spewing black smoke into the air. The fire nation repeatedly destroy the natural environment for their personal gain. The battle between the northern water tribe and general Zhao is literally a battle between one tribe whose daily life is interwoven with and highly respectful of their environment, against an armada of metal, pollution and ash. Zhao attempts to kill the moon spirit, throwing the entire world out of balance,just to win glory and power. Fire lord Ozai is eventually defeated by Aang, whose upbringing as an airbender sees him respect the natural world and value balance above personal gain.
I’m hoping that Adam McKay’s Don’t Look Up tackles this subject better than most of what we’ve seen so far.
I was waiting to hear about the Lorax.
People who care about the environment need to talk more about how animal agriculture is the leading cause of greenhouse gas emissions, water acidification, and deforestation. Grass fed is even more damaging as it takes more land and water for less product and the majority of animals are fed dry grass with a few more square feet per cow, rather than the idyllic green pastures so many people imagine.
The single most effective series I’ve seen about climate change is French : L’effondrement. It is scary, realistic, emotional... and deeply disturbing. A must watch for everyone
See, this is why we need a gritty reboot of Captain Planet
Yes! Who would you want directing?
@@Z_Snowball Neill Blomkamp or Jonathan Nolan
Yeah, I loved Rakka. I hope that and Firestorm (from Oats Studios) get adapted into feature films)
Do you mean Jon or Chris Nolan? Coz Jon has written the screenplay and the short stories for the film's his brother Chris directed but he's only directed 3 eps of Westworld and 1 ep of Person of Interest.
Jon did "create" both of those shows, and by director I did mean who would you choose to have creative control and both Neil & Jon would be great.
Jon since he's seems more specialized in serialized work
Neal Stephenson just released “Termination Shock” a techno-thriller about Climate Change about how “One man who has a master plan, an elemental one, to reverse the effects of climate change”. I think that’s very accurately written.
He’s great at exploring the negative unintended consequences of well intentioned ideas.
Thank you so much for making this!!! I've always wondered why there aren't more fictionalized films showing what could be possible in getting us from where we are now to where we want to be. People need to see what that lifestyle could look like in order to see themselves in it. I'm not saying that there's just one way -- I think what's exciting is that there could be a while genre exploring these possibilities.
I'm going to chalk this one up to be because they want their stories to actually be entertaining first, and then an allegory and shorttracking it is the easiest way to do it
“Seaspiracy” is a documentary people should watch.
CAN WE CALL OUT DISNEY: Who after just releasing MOANA, went on to create Aulani: a Disney Resort & Spa on Oahu. ISN'T THIS SOMETHING THAT WOULD ENRAGE TE FITI, OR NAH?! Clearly they did not learn anything from what they do, and they're just out to copyright on culture and experiences in the guise of cultural appreciation. Colonialism at its most devious.
I remember ‘2012’ and I was scarred by it. It’s aged weirdly for me.
Last week all the Soap Opera's and Continual drama's in the UK joined together and all referenced and focussed episodes on Climate Change and did little cross overs. Over 3 channels BBC1, ITV and Channel 4 and 5 different TV shows Emmerdale, Coronation Street, EastEnders, Hollyoaks, Holby City and Casualty they all came together and highlighted the issues and that is admirable. These are like some of the most watched TV shows in the UK. They pull in millions of viewers and with them being soap operas their purpose is to show real people and highlight real issues so them highlighting the issue of Climate Change can be integrated so easily into the shows. These shows are pretty low budget but like they highlighted this issue way better than big budget Hollywood movies.
Missing: Star Trek. One of the earliest examples of tackling environmental topics and how to overcome destructive structures (well, after WW III, but maybe we can do without?).
Oh you bett believe after ww3 on the world stage
Cool video! I was hoping for some discussion of Solarpunk, though.
I find the space race especially irksome. The idea that we can colonise Mars, a planet half the size of Earth, when we don't even have the technology to put a human on there, is such a childish dream. Humanity might go there one day, but it is most likely not going to be an actual colony for a couple of centuries.
We might at least, put someone on Mars in our lifetime. That about it.
Being in a Space Race advances many types of technologies. It happened when we went to the Moon.
Colonizing Mars would definitely take much time and resources but pursuing it could help us unlock Terraforming technologies. If so, then theoretically we should be able to terraform Earth anytime we want.
@@luhedi6303 That will require technology to allow a spacecraft make the journey from Earth to Mars and back again, which will probably take a very long time to develop as the distance is really far.
@Erwin Lii I am more concerned with the whole gravitational pole and exposure to solar radiation. But I think the plan is just Mars, as Venus is such a fiery inferno, a spacecraft would never be able to land on it.
@@CarnageTrooperx Yes, there would certainly be a lot of groundbreaking technology to get humanity there. But that process is so very very long that we can't rely on it to do anything for us here on Earth right now. We could spend the next decade(s) focusing on Earth and going green, before then using green technologies to develop sustainable ways of developing technologies to colonise other planets. And perhaps, the focus should then be on developing space stations like Elysium instead of trying to reach Mars.
One of your guys best videos. Manages to capture all the relevant sides of the topic with very pointed examples to demonstrate. Just one of the reasons this is my favorite film channel on UA-cam right now!!
What I got from this video: Climate change is an urgent problem, therefore allegories about it in art should not be subtle or complicated. Stories about climate change - or any urgent issue - should be written for the average, most common denominator, palatable for mass consumption in order to have any impact.
I am very, VERY wary of this position. Just because a work of art about an important issue didn’t click with most people doesn’t mean it’s a failure. That seems to imply that art is only useful if it’s made for mass consumption in a capitalist market.
Anything made for “most people” has the power to subordinate once independent milieus. Cultural hegemony and homogeny shouldn’t be the goal.
You do not have to like Aronofsky’s “mother.” I actually hate when folks are pressured into watching, discussing, or revering that movie, even though I happen to like it.
If “mother” doesn’t appeal to one audience, then “Fern Gully” will appeal. And “Fern Gully” won’t appeal to another audience, so they get “Avatar.”
Just because something promotes a good idea to a niche demographic doesn’t make it useless.
I agree. It's a narrative. There are certain expectations that are just unfair to have of a movie. A movie can be very explicit and hit you over the head with the message that climate change is bad and call you to action (which I agree with!) but it would be obnoxious and probably not successful. There is a difference between the documentaries they plugged and a narrative movie.
That doesn't mean though allegories/themes in movies can't be powerful. Still, you can't throw the craft away and put the message over everything else.
Yes! I've waited so long for someone to speak about this. I used to think fiction works about dystopian/post-apocaliptyc societies were enough but it doesn't seem like..
The best book (nonfiction) with realistic optimism about climate change is This Changes Everything by Naomi Klein. In part of her book she talks about a potential future where we can improve civilization in a sustainable way, while also being realistic about how much damage has already been done and is all but locked in. We can still stay under 2 C of warming and avoid the worst effects of climate change, but we are virtually locked into 1.5 C of warming (which is already considered catastrophic). But we have to change the way we live and operate society, especially the most privileged among us and wealthy countries as a whole, if we want any chance at doing that.
It doesn't matter if the masses take action. Nothing will get solved without government action.
I'd really love a Netflix series on actual people living better lives by fighting climate change.
From farmers to CEOs, students to policy makers. I think we just have to see how progress is possible.
@@kalystaortiz3701 I wasn't implying one's life is better than another, rather that it'd be great to see how different people in different positions can tackle the climate change in their everyday lives. Policy makers, students, farmers, and CEOs would all have these different and interesting perspectives. I agree there's a lot of content out there, but much of it can be difficult to watch. I think many times the issue is that people do care, but feel helpless to actually take charge and contribute to good efforts. Instead of shutting down and tuning out, I think people could benefit from being inspired by the good work that is going on. Look at Team Trees & Team Seas, the work Dr Jane Goodall and of movements like Chipko in India and the Green Belt Movement led by Wangari Maathai. There are sources of inspiration that should reach far more eyes and ears than they do.
@@kalystaortiz3701 definitely not what the comment said but ok
Thank youuuu!! More on this topic, please.
Could you do one on divorced fathers struggling to keep their right to see their children?
The best movie about climate change remains the lorax
So the Take Away from this video is Animated movies do a much better job. Whether that's because the messages are simpler for an expected younger audience, or because the creators have bolder visions, I couldn't say. However, they have often had bigger impacts on cultural consciousness than documentaries or disaster movies.
One thing it's important to discuss is how far-reaching and negative has the lobbying of fossil fuel corporations been. Already by mid 20th century, scientists working for EXXON mobile predicted the impact greenhouse gases would have, yet they quieted them down. Despite this, there was a growing concern in the 80's and 90's about the future of the planet, and the negative impact civilisation had on nature. At that time, climate change was a relatively neutral term. But by the 2000's, corporations cultivated skepticism in the topic by funding fake or insincere research contradicting the general consensus on climate change, and lobbying authorities and the media into postponing or negating renewable energy sources. This turned the topic into a political one, especially in the USA, and divided the audience into those who believe in climate science (usually the left or centre) and those who think it's fake or that there's a lack of evidence (usually the far-right), effectively slowing down action and giving fossil fuel corporations more time to amass wealth. The fact that these companies made us reach this critical point, when could have started half a century ago, shows how greedy and selfish these people are, and why is it important that society unite and demand authorities to act. Climate change is having and will continue to impact us, regardless of our political views. On the bright side, it seems the world is finally grasping the urgency of the situation, and becoming more proactive. Sustainability is being discussed and practiced more and more. Individual action is important, but it's urgent that we demand governments to take action the same way we demand action for other economic and social related issues.
The White Walkers aren't an allegory for Climate Change. Martin just said that he has no problem people making connections between his world and the real world, he isn't writting and allegory. He and Tolkien before him didn't present their stories as allegories...
Aren't all fictional stories allegories of something I mean all meaning is just a mental projection of the reader
I didn't know that white walkers were supposed to represent climate change even after watching the series twice! Interesting!
would be interested to see a video on stereotypes surrounding environmentalists/vegans/social justice activists! how they're often made fun of and the butt of the joke as a way to dismiss the issues those people advocate for
It’s too bad that the classic sci-fi works of Isaac Asimov, Arthur C. Clarke, and Robert Heinlein haven’t yet been properly interpreted on screen ( exempting 2001 Space Odyssey) since their works were actually based on real science and their futurist visions were based on that. I think if they were, people might be inspired.
Apple TV just did Asimov’s “Foundation”
but they even managed to screw that up from Asimov’s original vision.
Great video! I wish you had mentionned The East, which offers a different approach (maybe closer to the First Reformed?)
Imagine if someone had this type of awareness when talking about racism
I love the nature depicted on Pandora.
First Reformed was such an amazing movie, that ending damn…
Awesome topic and video. I do almost all of my writing/printing on recycled paper. Every little bit helps! Very cool to learn about those Green production companies
Thank you - as someone with a research background in related questions, I appreciated this video very much.
I would love for you to do a deeper dive into First Reformed at some point, which was a remarkable film.
“Do you have a second to eat my farts” 😅😅
That was the smoothest plug for an ad ever
21:56 the mere fact that they have Nestle sponsoring their summit or whatever tells me: just like telling everyone to do our part and deal w annoying AF recycling bins, this is misdirection.
It's notable that there's a clip with Nestle showing in the background, since they've gotten heat for not being environmentally friendly.
that's exactly what i thought as well
Hope and despair. That's where I'm at.
OK i'm returning to this comment section after watching Netflix's "Don't Look Up" and... ugh, what an infuriatingly messy movie. It just wallows in its cake and then eats it. Its metaphor is very fishy (climate change is NOT like an asteroid in quite a few ways, and i think your video essay helped me see clearly through that), but i can appreciate what they tried to do. But it manages to make a end-of-the-world catastrophe into a personal drama. IDK, so many things irked me about this movie. The showy special effects, while tsk-tsk-ing at the cheap hollywood movie cashing in on the comet. the reduction of public discourse to a single monolith of denialism. The extreme lack of interest for popular uprisings and grassroots organizing. The entirely US-centric story.
Anyway, i'm still processing but i thought this was so relevant to this video, and reminded me so much of it, that i wanted to mention it here =) thank you again.
Y'all are amazing. Great discussion and breakdown
David Lowery's - The Green Knight was about climate change too, I think
Finally the Topic we have been waiting take to cover 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🍀
If the whitewalkers from GOT were always meant to be an algory for climate change, why make the prophecy about one person who defeats it instead of making the defeat of the whitewalkers a union between kingdoms or something that would actually correlate with real life climate change?
Thanks for this video. You are becoming my favorite challenge.
Only one movie has ever addressed climate change properly. WALL-E.
People are jaded on this type of problems it's scary and disappointing, some only post or take action because it's trendy and goes back on their harmful lifestyle after the trend is over.
The Great Derangement by Amitav Ghosh explicitly talks about this very blind spot in film and literature.
Zoo and Wayward Pines (the books more than the shows) were really interesting looks at the scenario in which we're too far gone and the planet has engineered its defenses against us.
What really annoys me about the White Walker allegory, is how the final season of Game Of Thrones completely shattered that theory in how horribly the conflict was resolved in a single strike by Arya. Like if the show really wanted to stay true to George R R Martin's allegory, the White Walkers should have won the Battle For Winterfell.
Really cool discussion :) but the audio quality sounded like you were using a phone or something :/
Ok. Maybe mother! was confusing but honestly... That was the first time I genuinely freaked out about climate change. More specifically the whole people invading the house situation. I was shocked by the message.
John oliver ❤️ if you guys ever decide to make a video entirely on his show I would absolutely watch and then bother my friends to watch it too, just as I do with LWT every week
3:07 I was there!!
That the number of views for this video are so low compared to most of the others on this channel is so depressing.
Art is dead, and we have killed it.
I think if they just left the costumes worn by extras and minor characters for period-based or fantasy-based-on-a-period shows in a warehouse or something, each time there's a new one for that period, most of the new cast could use the same costumes. Some tailoring might be needed, but that would be so much less waste over time.
Avatar has one of the worst White Savior narratives. You guys should have acknowledge it
THE TAKE. literal irony love it love it love it😍
military army is one of the biggest contributors of pollution, I really hope you could analyze war genre and how encourage military propaganda
Can you make a video about Midnight Mass please?
Can you talk about Kaitou Joker?
Love this video! We need more videos that discuss how the media portrays climate change!
Before seeing your video, I did not realise how much the US public needed the Al Gore movie to hear about climate change. In the rest of the world, it's been spoken about widely since decades... that explains so much about the actual political imobility. (And how bad is US cultural hegemony...)
You missed the most recent best climate analogy The Tomorrow War.
Americans always put on every sensitive issue word war: War on Christmas, War in Seuss books, War on Cancer, War in terror. We need same tactics as Hollywood disaster movies WAR ON CLIAMTE CHANGE lol.
there is no escape, we are doomed. Evil won, earth is doomed, and so are us. And the evil ones that doomed us will live out their lives with confort and lust.
The film industry teach us how to live our life, what to expect from our life etc. They can change the world if they want to. No one promote Starbuck better than they did 😏
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Completely different genres with different objectives are incomparable. George R.R. Martin didn't set out to produce green propaganda, that goal could've been achieved much easily without writing such a complex story about a medieval fantasy world.
Why should a piece of fiction be bound to only one objective? That's so limiting. Makes no sense. Completely different genres can still overlap in many areas, including objectives. I know you're saying that the objectives are different as well, but that's entirely an assumption. And then you say it would've been easier to do things another way for that purpose, but why should that even be considered a point? I'm not saying his main objective was to make an environmentalist allegory, but that it can work as such and there's no reason to think it wasn't intentional to include that in a story that he wanted to write and make complex for his own creative reasons.
@@RicardoPetinga Of course, it shouldn't be bound do one objective, not sure where you got that from. I made this comment before the video came out and it had a different preview image, saying something like "this isn't enough" under the Night King, which prompted me to write this comment. ASOIAF addresses many social issues, and I find it ridiculous to call it out on not doing enough for one specific cause.
we're reading scholarship on Tolkien in my food, farming, and the sacred class and I've fallen even farther in love with the Hobbitses
So what’s the action we need to take? Be clear!
Ugh, this feels like a massive misunderstanding of the purpose of art.
It seems very much like a call to hit you over the head with the message and to put the message over narrative. I agree that climate change is bad and we need to act. But movies are movies while documentaries are documentaries for a reason.
@@Sandra-rc5uc Exactly. There are people whose job it is to explain how climate change works, what it is, how to prevent it, etc. That is NOT the job of a writer of fiction. Fiction will contain morals, themes, social commentary, etc., and we can be critical of how certain elements are portrayed (like propagating misinformation). But it is totally unfair to say that a writer has failed in doing their job if certain audience members don't pick up on a particular allegory or theme. Hell, one could argue the average audience member doesn't pick up on most themes, if any! Even works with the clearest of messages will be misinterpreted. Just look at Squid Game and the people who argue it isn't critical of capitalism.
@@VoidStone It's unfair criticism. I feel like a lot of media criticism has expectations of a piece of art that it can't meet or didn't even aim to meet.
There’s a great Hindi movie called ‘Sherni’. It’s a great commentary on the environment.
I've given up on the idea that the issue will be tackled before the real catastrophe has set in, maybe in 80 years or so. I've taken university courses on aerosol physics and interdisciplinary lectures on other aspects of climate change and a major take away was that capitalist countries like especially the US, Canada and the Middle East etc. are way too reliant on their profits from fossil fuels and there are not enough immediate incentives to give that up. They will pay lip service to climate action and put on some band aids but in the world as it is profits dictate policy. I don't have any hope that significant warming can be prevented, it doesn't seem realistic to me. Maybe the worst case scenario will be prevented once future generations are already seeing undeniable consequences (there already are but some people still manage to deny them).
ugh even in a video like this battle of winterfell is too dark.
hey x
I really like your videos, but I don't think the point of art is to tell people what to do or inspire change necessarily, so I disagree with the point of this essay.
This is GOLD!
Studies show that living in Mars is actually detrimental for the body.
It's based on weightlessness. It's theorized that lower gravity could be harmful, but I think it would just make us 5-6 times as strong.
i think another failed climate change narrative is the Thanos storyline in Avengers: Infinity war and Endgame. Thanos is the character who is seemingly most aware and passionate about the "lack of resources", which is an obvious aspect of climate change. The issue is that his solution is mass genocide so...whats the message there? Why is the one guy concerned about the wellbeing and resources of the universe also genocidal? Why is no alternative to him presented other than "stop Thanos"? I'd be interested to see Marvel tackle this issue more in phase 4 since the population doubled overnight and theres presumably way fewer resources around the world. I know they bring it up a bit in Falcon and the Winter soldier but im wondering if that will be a theme going forward
Wow, documentaries are more informative than movies. Shocking!!
Just wait. Winter is coming.