@@howtoplaypaintball Ok, the reason I thought it would is, since one reason firearms have a long barrel is to have more time for the expanding gas to propel the bullet. a paintball marker's barrel may have a different reason for air efficiency. Yes, some tests would be neat. Basically the expanding air pushes the projectile, the longer it pushes that projectile down the barrel, the more speed it gains.
@@RileyPierce_ firearms utilize burning and expanding gasses which propel the projectile for longer amounts of time compared to a paintball guns single burst of compressed gas. I believe 8” is the optimized length for a control bore (look at freak xL, Stella, parabolic, PE and dyes barrel backs, with 14” overall being the longest length overall before you start losing velocity to friction.
Main thing about accuracy is the quality of paint you're using, not so much the bore length or barrel even. The bore length has more to do with acceleration and stabilization of the paint (think more consistent over the chrono). If your paint isn't the best quality, old, dimpled, poor quality etc...the air won't pass equally around the paintball and will cause it to spin unevenly and effect accuracy. Bad paint = poor accuracy. That's about it. You could lessen this effect by using a slight underbore. Example, your paint is boring out at ~684-685 then you use the stella 680 back with the 689 front. Thos will keep most of the air behind the ball and not around it.
I disagree. I don't believe in underboring with paint. I don't want to put any unnecessary stress on the ball. Fragile paint will break and you won't be able to shoot. As for the consistency and accuracy yes it will be better with a better paint to bore match. Thanks for watching!
+How To Play Paintball some people fee the same way about under boring and that's perfectly fine. Everyone is different. Tests have been done proving that paintballs actually handle the stress of under boring (to a certain degree) pretty well. The gentleman who designed the barrel your shooting uses a slight under bore as well. Helps quiet down the shot as well! "Bore matching" is actually worse for your chrono readings. No two paintballs are exactly the same, even top of the line paint. Some might be a tight fit some might be a bit loose in the barrel causing your readings to be a little all over the place. Either way you shoot what you like, as should everyone. Just get out and play. I appreciate your videos.
I can see both you points. Perhaps the higher grade Paint could stand the extra stress, but it seems your getting pretty tight. When I measure my Paint I really don't see more then a .002 differences in a case of quality Paint (Empire Premium, Advanced grade, great through my A5). I know thats a small difference, but we are talking differences in the .004 for your changes. I'm waiting for the 14' Complete Freak Barrel Kit in Stainless Steel for my 2 A5s . This I believe has every bore size I could need from .677 to .693 in .002 or .003 size increase's. I'll try to give an update here when I have had a chance to use different brands and grades of Paint and matching the bore size. I have a Paintball sizer to make matching easier and accurate. Hope this helps... R.S... :)
How To Play Paintball You can disagree all you want but Albert Cabello is correct. There has been extensive research done which thoroughly demonstrates that barrels actually have a negligible effect on paintball accuracy. The 3 primary gear related things that affect accuracy are paint quality, paint quality, and paint quality. Barrels are extremely overrated and the least important part of the gun. You are speaking from a biased perspective based on personal experience rather than an objective standpoint rooted in research and data. This video you’ve made only serves to perpetuate one of the many paintball myths born out of marketing hype through which millions of consumer dollars have been needlessly wasted on gun upgrades that don’t actually improve performance, and this sport has seen enough of that.
Definitely a line in the sand between a lot of players. If you're asking what it is, it's simply when a player shoots an inflatable bunker in such a way the paintball "bounces" off at an angle and then hits an opposing player. If you already knew that, my two cents (having played a number of years) is that it's virtually impossible to practice/train to to pull it off in a real game. You'll end up wasting tons of paints and probably miss "real" shots you could make in the process. I personally never try them because the statistics of a successful bounce shot are slim to none unless you've played a field before and know exactly how a bunker works.
Thing' that effect the accuracy of a projectile. Shape of projectile (round is very unstable), 2, Length of barrel (IF IT IS RIFLED ONLY, even the large military cannons have rifleing!!), 3, Matching FPS to length of shot, i.e, it's load, The longer barrel only helps if 1, It's bore matches the paint your shooting (same with any barrel), 2, Due to rifling inside the barrel which Paintball Marker Barrels do not have, and wouldn't be effective anyway due to the shape of the PB. The only thing close to Barrel rifling is a Flatline barrel which adds back spin due to the curved shape and the roughness of the inside of the barrel which adds distance, not accuracy. An Apex barrle controls the flight by having just one small area of the Barrel that is rough causing the ball to spin giving it the curve the barrel in known for. I am always open to input that proves me wrong as I am always looking for ways to increase my accuracy at distance which will soon be taken care of (I hope) by the Complete Freak Barrel and Backs kit with 8 different bore sizes, in stainless steel!! Hoping it gets here today (4/15/17)!! Door is open and I'm next to it waiting to see if what Iv'e learned so far amounts to anything. LOL Hope this info helps you all.. R.S... :)
i found out apex to disturb trajectories in unpredictable ways. i once tested to shoot back only and it was allmost as accurate as 2pieces together. paint is the main factor affecting accuracy. i have had 3 year old dimpled paint outperform fresh batches.
@@pdog2448 inception design simon har researched 8 inc back to be optimal. bore matching helps some but paint quality is the key. fresh paint can be inferior to 3 year old dimpled paint.
@@tommytuomaala9087 I ended up getting the complete Freak Set including the 14" Freak Carbon Fiber Barrel. I actually only needed 2 of the inserts so far cuz they closed all of the PB Parks. I did have better accuracy though...
So I’m looking into getting an Etha 2, but I’ve heard that while it’s a good gun, the .50 cal will be less accurate and will have a hard time in wind drag. Do you think this is true as to whether or not it is better to have a .68 or a .50?
Boring out paint does nothing to improve accuracy. That myth has been thoroughly debunked by scientifically conducted testing. Paintball accuracy is ALL IN THE PAINT.
I uh...I dont know what to say, you're the first person I've ever heard make the claim paint to barrel match doesn't effect accuracy...I've experience it firsthand so I'm already pretty convinced that you're wrong. However, please post this test I'd love to see it
ive been looking at the empire axe. theyre good guns and easy to work on if need to be. check out "ANSgearPaintball" channel. they do alot of reviews on products. but if you can id buy local to support your local fields. maybe even go in and check the guns out in person. get a feel for them. hope this helps.
I would recommend going to your local store or field and asking them. Most of the stores are fantastic and will help you with what gun to get. Personally I'd recommend an Empire Axe. They are workhorses and are great shooters. I hope that helps!
Do you mean a sniper as in a sniper rifle? If that's the case a bullet is more aerodynamic and the rifling in the barrel will help with that as well. A paintball isn't as aerodynamic. The length doesn't really matter at all in regards to paintball barrels.
I think a longer barrel has more air efficiency because the air is pushing on the paintball for a longer time. This video was also very helpful!
I’m not sure that would help efficiency. It’d be interesting to investigate.
@@howtoplaypaintball Ok, the reason I thought it would is, since one reason firearms have a long barrel is to have more time for the expanding gas to propel the bullet. a paintball marker's barrel may have a different reason for air efficiency. Yes, some tests would be neat. Basically the expanding air pushes the projectile, the longer it pushes that projectile down the barrel, the more speed it gains.
With paintball it also isn't going to be aerodynamic like a bullet which may hinder efficiency in a longer barrel. I'd have to test it all out though.
@@howtoplaypaintball Yeah, the paintball's shape may hinder efficiency, and maybe a video titled "Does Barrel Length Matter? (part 2)."
@@RileyPierce_ firearms utilize burning and expanding gasses which propel the projectile for longer amounts of time compared to a paintball guns single burst of compressed gas. I believe 8” is the optimized length for a control bore (look at freak xL, Stella, parabolic, PE and dyes barrel backs, with 14” overall being the longest length overall before you start losing velocity to friction.
Main thing about accuracy is the quality of paint you're using, not so much the bore length or barrel even. The bore length has more to do with acceleration and stabilization of the paint (think more consistent over the chrono).
If your paint isn't the best quality, old, dimpled, poor quality etc...the air won't pass equally around the paintball and will cause it to spin unevenly and effect accuracy. Bad paint = poor accuracy. That's about it. You could lessen this effect by using a slight underbore. Example, your paint is boring out at ~684-685 then you use the stella 680 back with the 689 front. Thos will keep most of the air behind the ball and not around it.
I disagree. I don't believe in underboring with paint. I don't want to put any unnecessary stress on the ball. Fragile paint will break and you won't be able to shoot.
As for the consistency and accuracy yes it will be better with a better paint to bore match.
Thanks for watching!
+How To Play Paintball some people fee the same way about under boring and that's perfectly fine. Everyone is different. Tests have been done proving that paintballs actually handle the stress of under boring (to a certain degree) pretty well. The gentleman who designed the barrel your shooting uses a slight under bore as well. Helps quiet down the shot as well! "Bore matching" is actually worse for your chrono readings. No two paintballs are exactly the same, even top of the line paint. Some might be a tight fit some might be a bit loose in the barrel causing your readings to be a little all over the place.
Either way you shoot what you like, as should everyone. Just get out and play. I appreciate your videos.
I can see both you points. Perhaps the higher grade Paint could stand the extra stress, but it seems your getting pretty tight. When I measure my Paint I really don't see more then a .002 differences in a case of quality Paint (Empire Premium, Advanced grade, great through my A5). I know thats a small difference, but we are talking differences in the .004 for your changes. I'm waiting for the 14' Complete Freak Barrel Kit in Stainless Steel for my 2 A5s . This I believe has every bore size I could need from .677 to .693 in .002 or .003 size increase's. I'll try to give an update here when I have had a chance to use different brands and grades of Paint and matching the bore size. I have a Paintball sizer to make matching easier and accurate.
Hope this helps... R.S... :)
How To Play Paintball
You can disagree all you want but Albert Cabello is correct. There has been extensive research done which thoroughly demonstrates that barrels actually have a negligible effect on paintball accuracy. The 3 primary gear related things that affect accuracy are paint quality, paint quality, and paint quality. Barrels are extremely overrated and the least important part of the gun.
You are speaking from a biased perspective based on personal experience rather than an objective standpoint rooted in research and data. This video you’ve made only serves to perpetuate one of the many paintball myths born out of marketing hype through which millions of consumer dollars have been needlessly wasted on gun upgrades that don’t actually improve performance, and this sport has seen enough of that.
I think the longer barrel also can equal out the weight a little (very little) and also it points better. But I still like 14" the best.
Eh, not by much. The "point" is going to be more a preference thing than anything.
a subject I never see info on in PB is the discussion about bounce shots, can u make a video about this?
Definitely a line in the sand between a lot of players. If you're asking what it is, it's simply when a player shoots an inflatable bunker in such a way the paintball "bounces" off at an angle and then hits an opposing player. If you already knew that, my two cents (having played a number of years) is that it's virtually impossible to practice/train to to pull it off in a real game.
You'll end up wasting tons of paints and probably miss "real" shots you could make in the process. I personally never try them because the statistics of a successful bounce shot are slim to none unless you've played a field before and know exactly how a bunker works.
Thing' that effect the accuracy of a projectile. Shape of projectile (round is very unstable), 2, Length of barrel (IF IT IS RIFLED ONLY, even the large military cannons have rifleing!!), 3, Matching FPS to length of shot, i.e, it's load, The longer barrel only helps if 1, It's bore matches the paint your shooting (same with any barrel), 2, Due to rifling inside the barrel which Paintball Marker Barrels do not have, and wouldn't be effective anyway due to the shape of the PB. The only thing close to Barrel rifling is a Flatline barrel which adds back spin due to the curved shape and the roughness of the inside of the barrel which adds distance, not accuracy. An Apex barrle controls the flight by having just one small area of the Barrel that is rough causing the ball to spin giving it the curve the barrel in known for. I am always open to input that proves me wrong as I am always looking for ways to increase my accuracy at distance which will soon be taken care of (I hope) by the Complete Freak Barrel and Backs kit with 8 different bore sizes, in stainless steel!! Hoping it gets here today (4/15/17)!! Door is open and I'm next to it waiting to see if what Iv'e learned so far amounts to anything. LOL Hope this info helps you all.. R.S... :)
Robert, how are those 8" freak inserts working for you? I'm considering ordering a set. I've got too many stray shots and want to get more consistent.
i found out apex to disturb trajectories in unpredictable ways. i once tested to shoot back only and it was allmost as accurate as 2pieces together. paint is the main factor affecting accuracy. i have had 3 year old dimpled paint outperform fresh batches.
@@pdog2448 inception design simon har researched 8 inc back to be optimal. bore matching helps some but paint quality is the key. fresh paint can be inferior to 3 year old dimpled paint.
@@tommytuomaala9087 I ended up getting the complete Freak Set including the 14" Freak Carbon Fiber Barrel. I actually only needed 2 of the inserts so far cuz they closed all of the PB Parks. I did have better accuracy though...
match boring is in fact the worst thing you can do for accuracy according to most tests done on the subject, overbore showed the best result.
I disagree. The industry standard is also bore matching to the ball bore.
I would love to hear more about the stella barrels
I've been looking into getting one for a while now
Maybe I can snag Simon in Nashville!
Thanks for watching :)
are you out if your barrel gets hit ? Say you tuck in and still are shooting and it still gets hit?
Unfortunately yes! They're great when you are the one shooting a barrel though :)
So I’m looking into getting an Etha 2, but I’ve heard that while it’s a good gun, the .50 cal will be less accurate and will have a hard time in wind drag. Do you think this is true as to whether or not it is better to have a .68 or a .50?
I’ve never really played with 50cal but most players play 68.
just re watched your "how to bore paint" video. do you still recommend a .689 back?
A .689 is going to be great if that is all you can get for now. It will fit any paint you use.
Thanks for watching!
Boring out paint does nothing to improve accuracy. That myth has been thoroughly debunked by scientifically conducted testing. Paintball accuracy is ALL IN THE PAINT.
The paint has a part to do with it but the bore matters too
I uh...I dont know what to say, you're the first person I've ever heard make the claim paint to barrel match doesn't effect accuracy...I've experience it firsthand so I'm already pretty convinced that you're wrong. However, please post this test I'd love to see it
what would you recommend for a stater speedball gun??
Love the videos
ive been looking at the empire axe. theyre good guns and easy to work on if need to be. check out "ANSgearPaintball" channel. they do alot of reviews on products. but if you can id buy local to support your local fields. maybe even go in and check the guns out in person. get a feel for them. hope this helps.
I would recommend going to your local store or field and asking them. Most of the stores are fantastic and will help you with what gun to get.
Personally I'd recommend an Empire Axe. They are workhorses and are great shooters.
I hope that helps!
Vortex used axe
Yea an Axe is a great gun! They're reliable and air efficient.
that tank tho
i have a 8in barrel
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I've got 8 inches too!
Would that barrel fit on an empire mini GS
I believe as long as it is autococker threaded you are good!
How To Play Paintball cool thanks
No worries!
:50 seconds yes i am curious!
I'll have to make another video then :)
Don't buy Inception barrels. The concentricity between the back and the front is crap.
+DRC Paintball never had issues with mine. I also had one of the prototypes and never had an issue.
But who is this guy, what pro team does he play for???
I play with the MLKings
My nigga who are you
18 inch barrels are AGG as fuck tho
😂
It’s not about the size it’s what you do with it
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Dude size matter lmao
I got 20 inch barrel
good for woodsplay to be protected by bushes and shoot thru them.
stop using the word um" so much. GL
well its not a myth that the longer the barrel the more accurate because look at a sniper
it's partially a myth, length matters to some extent but past 12" will not change much
Do you mean a sniper as in a sniper rifle? If that's the case a bullet is more aerodynamic and the rifling in the barrel will help with that as well. A paintball isn't as aerodynamic. The length doesn't really matter at all in regards to paintball barrels.
How To Play Paintball what would you say are top barrels?
I really like my Inception Designs Stella barrel kit
^ and lurker barrels