Gnani Purush Dadashri: Akram Vignan Sudamerica: Towards Full Light: 64: Pujya Niruma ::March 13 2024

Damian, Shuddha, Cecilia, and Patricia share the 64th session of Purnatva, the comprehensive understanding of the way the self progresses to the absolute self through understanding as given by Gnani Purush Dadashri. This is fully given in the Akram Vignan Magazine of November 1988.
The satsang continued despite lack of high-quality internet for Shuddha
The following critical pages were shared with love.
Pages 76 and 77
The Subtle Aspects of Jagruti
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09:12:00 From Shuddha Anami : Mistake Bhool is that which hurt s anyone,
09:13:16 From Shuddha Anami : I can herar
09:15:07 From Damian Barreto : La sutileza de la conciencia
09:15:39 From Shuddha Anami : NH: Subtle Aspects of Jagruti..
09:16:00 From Damian Barreto : Aspectos sutiles del Jagruti
09:17:26 From Shuddha Anami : Q: If I know that mistkae, will it stop?
09:19:24 From Shuddha Anami : Dada: No. There is no question about it stopping
09:19:42 From Shuddha Anami : It is more than enough if you realise-know the mistake
09:19:56 From Shuddha Anami : The mistake may stop or may not
09:20:09 From Shuddha Anami : Either way you are forgiven
09:20:30 From Shuddha Anami : You are not forgiven if you do not realise the mistake
09:20:52 From Shuddha Anami : It is not a question of the mistake stopping or continuing
09:21:19 From Shuddha Anami : . There is no ‘forgiveness’ for ignorance of the mistake.
09:21:51 From Shuddha Anami : Q: There must be much such ignorance !
09:22:12 From Shuddha Anami : Awareness is there obly in aspects or parts
09:22:25 From Shuddha Anami : So the mistakes are continuing to happen , no?
09:22:50 From Shuddha Anami : Dada: For sure they continue to happen
09:23:54 From Shuddha Anami : Q: Is it pssible to become free from the state of Ignorance-be bhaan panoo, so that the mistake is visible?
09:24:17 From Shuddha Anami : Dada: The Jagruti has to come-arise.
09:25:03 From Shuddha Anami : If there is Jagruti, then upon Seeing the two parts continue to separate- [real- relative]
09:25:28 From Shuddha Anami : What ever comes, arises is automatically spilit in two
09:25:57 From Shuddha Anami : Q: Is this JAGRUTI is the main thing?
09:26:21 From Shuddha Anami : Dada: The main this is this JAGRUTI !
09:27:44 From Shuddha Anami : Q: So now You have defined Jagruti as separating these two parts. So then if these two parts are not separated, it is called a bhoo; - mistake that has happened?
09:28:09 From Shuddha Anami : Dada: That IS the mistake that happened, no?
09:28:31 From Shuddha Anami : So this Jagruti has to come later, after the bhool-mistake
09:29:18 From Shuddha Anami : Not a sing mistake, the subtlest mistake, should not ‘pass’ without the Awarensess.
09:30:26 From Shuddha Anami : Q: What is the ‘Jagruti’ spitting into 2 parts?
09:31:06 From Shuddha Anami : The separation happens by Seeing only, directly with that
09:31:30 From Shuddha Anami : Q: Yes, but the separation of what into what?
09:31:49 From Damian Barreto : Que es este Jagruti separándose en dos partes?
09:31:58 From Shuddha Anami : Dada: Pudgal in pudgal and Chetan-Self in the Chetan
09:32:13 From Damian Barreto : La separación pasa por verla solamente, directamente con eso
09:32:33 From Damian Barreto : Pregunta: Si, pero la separación de qué? en que?
09:32:49 From Shuddha Anami : Q: This talk that just happened is of sookshma-subtle jagruti , no?
09:32:56 From Damian Barreto : Dada: el Pudgal en pudgal y el Chetan en Chetan
09:33:47 From Damian Barreto : Pregunta; entonces esta conversación que pasa el del sooksma -jagruti sutil. no?
09:33:56 From Shuddha Anami : Dada: No. Many mistakes happened in the subtle. But this here [for Mahatmas] a lot of mistakes are happening at Sthoola
09:36:22 From Shuddha Anami : Q: This is called sthool -overt visible Jagruti
09:37:32 From Shuddha Anami : Dada: This called sthool-visibel Jagruti.
09:38:59 From Shuddha Anami : But even this sthool-gross level Jagri has not arisen.
09:40:56 From Shuddha Anami : Q: Please explain please the difference been gross Jagruti and subtle Jagruti
09:42:19 From Shuddha Anami : Dada: In the sthool overt, visible come all of these mistakes that happen in worldly interactions
09:49:45 From Shuddha Anami : Q: p77 g So whatever mistakes happen in worldly interaction-vyavahaar- , to Know tham, is that gross Jagruti?
09:50:47 From Shuddha Anami : Dada: Yes, all that is gross awareness.
09:51:16 From Shuddha Anami : And in the Sookshma- subtle, kashaya bhaav are there.
09:52:46 From Shuddha Anami : Those kashaya-bhaav existence of kashaya- are seaprate.a-p-d-g
09:53:48 From Shuddha Anami : Kashaya bhaav are in pudgal-karma complex discharging.
09:54:08 From Shuddha Anami : And Chetan seaparates completely.
09:55:51 From Shuddha Anami : subtle- not visible to others until that come out.
09:59:15 From Shuddha Anami : Chetan - the Knower Seer separates absolutely.
10:01:03 From Shuddha Anami : Break now 10 mins
10:13:48 From Shuddha Anami : Post break: So whatever K- arise, to Know that as PUDGAL-parinaam- results of the pudgal
10:15:20 From Shuddha Anami : Dada: Thereafter, knowing that as ‘pudgal bhaav’ , it separates.
10:15:46 From Shuddha Anami : Kashay go towards the pudgal-non-Self filling emptying complex.
10:16:36 From Shuddha Anami : That which was filled is emptying.
10:17:26 From Shuddha Anami : In this mixture , the Chetan- Lnower part, comes on this side.
10:18:37 From Shuddha Anami : And in this natural sahaj wya, the two contunue to seaprate
10:19:57 From Shuddha Anami : natural way…Sahaj- natural …
10:20:27 From Shuddha Anami : So JAGRUTI is the main principal thing.
10:20:56 From Gabi : Entonces JAGRUTI es lo principal.
10:22:34 From Shuddha Anami : Q: So this being separate is natural.
10:23:18 From Shuddha Anami : Dada: Yes, it is SAHAJ, natural
10:24:48 From Shuddha Anami : Q: So then what is defined as Jagruti? Is Jagruti the kriya- action of separating?
10:25:28 From Shuddha Anami : Dada: No.
10:26:05 From Shuddha Anami : Q: What then is it?
10:26:50 From Shuddha Anami : Dadashri: It is verily with Jagruti that it separates. The two separate.
10:27:04 From Gabi : P: Entonces, estar separados es natural.
Dada: Sí, es SAHAJ, natural.
P: Entonces, ¿qué se define como Jagruti? ¿Es Jagruti la kriya-acción de separar?
Dada: no.
P: ¿Qué es entonces?
10:27:45 From Gabi : Dadashri: En verdad, es con Jagruti con quien se separa. Los dos se separan.
10:28:26 From Shuddha Anami : The aware State AS the Self separates naturally.
10:29:00 From Gabi : El Estado consciente COMO Yo se separa naturalmente.
10:34:13 From Shuddha Anami : Parinaam means effects, results.
10:37:31 From Gabi : Parinaam significa efectos, resultados.