Guess the Playtime 2 ft. Otzdarva, Hens

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  • @notOtzdarva
    @notOtzdarva 8 місяців тому +2479

    Fun fact: Wacek later explained to me that those two add-ons have a strange synergy (and aren't a random pick like I believed). If you miss a knife that flies into the sky it actually takes several seconds for the game to realize it was a missed attack, allowing you to keep the speed boost for consecutive hits for longer. So it did make sense to bring them together. Pray you never wrong a Trickster main, these guys are something else.

    • @RenDBD
      @RenDBD 8 місяців тому +84

      Wow it's actually crazy how he found out about this, they are something else indeed.

    • @fieldagentreaper
      @fieldagentreaper 8 місяців тому +64

      that is actually so smart wow, thats the kind of shit I live for in this game

    • @ConnorTheClaymore
      @ConnorTheClaymore 8 місяців тому +8

      Otz can u please say hi? Love ur vids bro

    • @JustAthena1
      @JustAthena1 8 місяців тому +9

      Us trickster mains are something else 😌💅🏾

    • @35thrat
      @35thrat 8 місяців тому +5

      bro is literally him😭😭😭

  • @s_gren9981
    @s_gren9981 8 місяців тому +1019

    otz takes the cake for literally guessing who the killer is instead of their hours

    • @carlthepumpkinman
      @carlthepumpkinman 8 місяців тому +57

      I think last time Ayrun figured out who two of the survs were but then proceeded to guess the wrong hours for them lol

    • @Its_SaberHG
      @Its_SaberHG 8 місяців тому +17

      Well it was obvious for me just by the thumbnail, I'm like "it's probably reaper"

    • @nudnud9
      @nudnud9 8 місяців тому +7

      @@Its_SaberHG believe it or not the thumbnail didnt exist for otz

  • @fieldagentreaper
    @fieldagentreaper 8 місяців тому +2919

    I cant believe my Kate headon icon sold me out to otz BRO HAS EAGLE EYES LOL

    • @adamk.7177
      @adamk.7177 8 місяців тому +45

      Sheeeesh that is funny!

    • @RedSkies68V
      @RedSkies68V 8 місяців тому +80

      Ayo when’s that pinhead guide my guy. I’m dying over here. Cénobite is my favorite killer and there is like 0 content for him on UA-cam lmao

    • @OsuchinRiberu
      @OsuchinRiberu 8 місяців тому +98

      The way I audibly gasped and laughed when Otz said: "Can we rewind that real quick? Hmmmm. Yep.. Hmmmm" 🤣

    • @fieldagentreaper
      @fieldagentreaper 8 місяців тому +90

      @@RedSkies68V my editor who is also hen’s editor has been working very hard to get it done, it’s been done for a while but he’s been doing visuals and such to make it really really solid, so very soon

    • @cameroncortel8650
      @cameroncortel8650 8 місяців тому +10

      ​@@fieldagentreapergreat to hear! I'll be watching that

  • @Anemyya
    @Anemyya 8 місяців тому +389

    Hens panicking as soon as the trickster came on screen was comedy gold

  • @OsuchinRiberu
    @OsuchinRiberu 8 місяців тому +1142

    Its really an awesome feeling seeing Otz and Hens react to my Slinger gameplay 😁Thanks for having me Alf!

    • @NotJakeSlay
      @NotJakeSlay 8 місяців тому +29

      Let’s gooooo my boy 🤠🤠🤠🤠🤠🤠 way to represent our state well

    • @floodedmars8126
      @floodedmars8126 8 місяців тому +1

      Youre a crackhead on slinger!

    • @OsuchinRiberu
      @OsuchinRiberu 8 місяців тому +11

      @@floodedmars8126Appreciate that! He’s just a really fun killer to play ❤

    • @eptgamers
      @eptgamers 8 місяців тому +11

      Slinger mains uniting after this one 😂

    • @luckz9232
      @luckz9232 8 місяців тому +4

      Congrats my man! Keep grinding those hours and that content

  • @TokenChad
    @TokenChad 8 місяців тому +344

    Otzdara: 'Experienced Slingers show hole'

  • @Wacek134
    @Wacek134 8 місяців тому +991

    YIPPEEE

    • @not_ur_fella
      @not_ur_fella 8 місяців тому +70

      Bro this gameplay was incredible,absolute beast

    • @KobeandKira
      @KobeandKira 8 місяців тому +25

      Teach me your ways

    • @dorian2278
      @dorian2278 8 місяців тому +12

      Nie no wacek xd

    • @Not_an_apple_
      @Not_an_apple_ 8 місяців тому +5

      bro you'r insane

    • @lxnnqrt
      @lxnnqrt 8 місяців тому +22

      "yeah but wacek is literally him" ~Hens

  • @louisloraine6660
    @louisloraine6660 8 місяців тому +211

    You should do this but with lower hours, like guessing between 100h, 400h and 800h, but not telling they're all low hours and letting them give a rough estimate

    • @supertacoelite5062
      @supertacoelite5062 8 місяців тому +21

      I agree because I feel like the biggest difference in skill comes from those early hours

    • @DissConn3cT
      @DissConn3cT 7 місяців тому +4

      Agree, 4k hours is more than enough to master most of the killers (like the trickster), doubt he's can get much better than hitting 90% of his knives with the next 4k hours. The game is hard to master, but when you OTP one killer for several thousand hours you already are the master at it by the time you hit 4k hours.

    • @enoFTTV
      @enoFTTV 4 місяці тому +7

      Couldnt agree more. Why isnt it a larger range of hours? This 4k 5k 6k 7k is just boring and stupid to guess. Whats the difference. At that point its just whos the better gamer really cause by then they’ve more to than hit their ceiling

  • @wazapxd565
    @wazapxd565 8 місяців тому +78

    The slinger was so underrated, easily the most entertaining match for me tbh. I loved seeing all the small spots actually be used.

    • @eptgamers
      @eptgamers 8 місяців тому +2

      lol Yeah I love osu

    • @OsuchinRiberu
      @OsuchinRiberu 8 місяців тому +2

      @@eptgamers ❤

    • @matthewmccoy7437
      @matthewmccoy7437 8 місяців тому +3

      Yeah that’s so dope lol. Love seeing people figure spots like that out. Slinger and huntress mains are just a different breed

    • @TioBru.
      @TioBru. 3 місяці тому

      becareful doctor disrespect likes your photo

  • @maskarcade
    @maskarcade 8 місяців тому +32

    Otz is absolutely insane. What an crazy way to figure out the pinhead player.😂

  • @nicholevensen1385
    @nicholevensen1385 5 місяців тому +11

    That pinhead being able to stay in chase while blinded shows a good bit of skill.

  • @MadmanGreg
    @MadmanGreg 8 місяців тому +34

    I heckin' love this series

  • @jackbennett2269
    @jackbennett2269 8 місяців тому +16

    Love how Otz analyzes the numbers you chose lol i was skeptical upon hearing those too

  • @deeelle6567
    @deeelle6567 8 місяців тому +8

    Love these games, Alf! Keep 'em coming. It's crazy how Otz was able to notice the Cenobite based on the Head-On icon

  • @tooki1471
    @tooki1471 8 місяців тому +6

    Wacek plays so well. I've never looked at someone's gameplay and dropped my jaw before. He simply just can't be real, I won't believe it

  • @miika2520
    @miika2520 8 місяців тому +6

    wacek is deserved rank 1 trickster, his chases are shorter than old double speed blight player, crazy

  • @aidan_ish2447
    @aidan_ish2447 8 місяців тому +6

    I hope this becomes a series ❤

  • @sporadicdunes2035
    @sporadicdunes2035 8 місяців тому +31

    I knew who the Deathslinger was just based on the fact he had no add-ons. There is only one Slinger main I know that consistently plays without them. 😎

  • @MasterJim87
    @MasterJim87 8 місяців тому +4

    Knew it would be wacek. That dude is a machine, if i ever play with my german friends i tend to run jnto him semi often. Great player.

  • @tomfabian1754
    @tomfabian1754 8 місяців тому +3

    That Trickster head on fake was unbelievable. I have 5.5k hours and would never have seen that

  • @giorgikaranadze478
    @giorgikaranadze478 8 місяців тому +3

    19:20 you know you are good at the killer if otz moans while reacting to it

  • @josephm7606
    @josephm7606 8 місяців тому +4

    That Trickster gameplay was INSANE 😮

  • @ChannelYumYum
    @ChannelYumYum 8 місяців тому +5

    I guessed all of them correctly, yay. I knew almost all of the Killer players as well, only confusing the Slinger player for someone else with a similar amount of hours.

  • @TheOneWhoReportsForDuty
    @TheOneWhoReportsForDuty 7 місяців тому +1

    THAT OPENING TRICKSTER! That is why I want to get good at him. That was insane accuracy at the start.

  • @canoligreen92
    @canoligreen92 8 місяців тому +8

    That trickster game made me wanna play trickster too

  • @hermanthedoctor
    @hermanthedoctor 8 місяців тому +4

    What a great Video and some great guys in thw showcase. Just hearing randomly dropping my name and gets complimented by Hens makes it even sweeter 😅
    Thank you Alf for the effort and great content 😊

  • @RenDBD
    @RenDBD 8 місяців тому +28

    21:41 Haha that's so mean Alf:D

    • @ChickensandwichV2
      @ChickensandwichV2 8 місяців тому +3

      Bro I remember watching your Billy vs top streamers video

    • @RenDBD
      @RenDBD 8 місяців тому +1

      @@ChickensandwichV2 Hi :)

  • @FonfonUm
    @FonfonUm 4 місяці тому +3

    4:38 my guess is that he plays Roadhog in OW and is used to turning after a hook because of it 🤣

  • @ThatGuyStylz
    @ThatGuyStylz 8 місяців тому +1

    11:55 I love Otz the little “uh oh” into the skill issue on the killer part was so funny definitely should have worn sunglasses 😎

  • @MrWayneDX
    @MrWayneDX Місяць тому

    Every time I come back to this I can't help but to laugh at poor bill running in a circle at 25:04 having to relive his time in Nam.

  • @ragequazar
    @ragequazar 8 місяців тому +6

    damn, i was wrong across the board. 4.7k for slinger, 6.2k for pinhead, 8.1k for trickster.

  • @StarlessSupernova
    @StarlessSupernova 8 місяців тому +3

    Man, Otz knows too much about this game.

  • @SkullKanji
    @SkullKanji 8 місяців тому +4

    'Deadlock has no synergy with Jolt'
    What? Jolt literally hits through Deadlock though

  • @chemicallylucas
    @chemicallylucas 8 місяців тому +7

    just got home from classes, w timing

  • @WindyIg
    @WindyIg 8 місяців тому +10

    Love this series :)

  • @hyruled6528
    @hyruled6528 8 місяців тому +3

    These videos are so fun to watch

  • @EA...
    @EA... 6 місяців тому +12

    What's the point of having the answers be so close to eachother. There is relatively no difference between a 4.1k player and a 7k player. Should've went with 200, 1k, 4k, 8k hours for every killer

  • @kepchup3422
    @kepchup3422 8 місяців тому +3

    Otz sounds like he just woke up from a 19 hour nap and doesn’t know what happening

  • @josephm7606
    @josephm7606 8 місяців тому

    Otz trying to psychoanalyze Alf in order to guess the number 😂

  • @SilversEC
    @SilversEC 8 місяців тому

    Can someone explain why Deadlock and Pain Res have anti synergy? Is it bad or just not optimal? I prefer Deadlock to Dead Man's Switch to guarantee slow down.

  • @NICE-EYES
    @NICE-EYES 8 місяців тому +1

    The problem with DBD is that killers like trickster exist, survivors are balanced to that level, putting any killer who isn’t cringe levels of busted like trickster at a disadvantage.

  • @gravelordnito3666
    @gravelordnito3666 8 місяців тому +1

    the fact this video dropped after i just went against a 31k hour player is insane. amazing video

  • @hersheypatel1961
    @hersheypatel1961 6 місяців тому

    I’m kinda new to dbd, but why do you move backwards as deathslinger when you snipe someone. Shouldn’t you reel them in while moving towards them?

    • @OsuchinRiberu
      @OsuchinRiberu 6 місяців тому

      It depends. When you move forwards, it locks the survivor in place as you move to their position. Whereas walking backwards, is dragging them to your position. When you move forwards, they have less control over the chain than if you were to move backwards as well. But more often than not, its better to reel them to your position to reposition yourself or themself in a tile.

  • @BlizzyNS
    @BlizzyNS 8 місяців тому +3

    W osu glad too see one of the chad slingers get too showcase their skill🥳

  • @546x
    @546x 8 місяців тому +1

    29:30 are people srsly surprised someone is good at the game after almost 5000 hours??

  • @exoticlemonlover
    @exoticlemonlover 8 місяців тому +2

    next time do this with a wider range of hours. maybe 500, 1000, 2000, 3000 etc.

  • @jamesgoodwin1741
    @jamesgoodwin1741 5 місяців тому

    you should do one of these where a killer main at

  • @Th3_Edit0r
    @Th3_Edit0r 8 місяців тому +1

    Osuchin is a friend of mine and he's an insane slinger player

  • @Djc00lness
    @Djc00lness 2 місяці тому

    "Being this good at 4700 hours is insane" bros speaking like thats no time at all 💀

  • @silverfang1584
    @silverfang1584 8 місяців тому

    does jolt no longer work with deadlock?

  • @zoff.him1
    @zoff.him1 8 місяців тому

    Obviously it’s wacek. Like he’s literally the only trickster main that uses corrupt, scourge and BAMBOOZLE but yea ngl that accuracy is sexy
    I love hitting the main event when trickster laughs like this 25:17 imo if they would have to rework main event it would have to be increase the speed of what it is rn and maybe keep the old knife hits required for it to proc. And keep the og reload iri

  • @moneypyrex5242
    @moneypyrex5242 8 місяців тому +2

    Good lord this slinger is an absolute monster 😮❤

  • @TappedWalnut
    @TappedWalnut 8 місяців тому

    So what the hell is the case with Jolt and Deadlock.
    Researching that combo, which Hens claims is anti synergy, you get several different answers, it doesn't work, it hits for 8% and doesn't start regressing till unblocked, it doesn't hit for 8 but it will start regressing after unblocked, it does both 8% and regresses gens.
    What does it actually do at the moment? it's so frustrating to try and figure this out as a solo player.

  • @7cmPwincess
    @7cmPwincess 8 місяців тому +6

    Bro playing against Wacek always gives me anxiety mans spinning like a mad man!!! Cacked af cast tho

  • @atrozzorta9602
    @atrozzorta9602 8 місяців тому +3

    0:39 "He's playing without add-ons." Wait a minute how did they get footage of me playing DBD? Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one that plays without add-ons so it's cool to see someone else rocking no add-ons.

    • @OsuchinRiberu
      @OsuchinRiberu 8 місяців тому +3

      I religiously don’t use addons on many killers. I feel using them makes me too reliant on them. Nice to see I’m not the only one! Haha

    • @BobBob-vy9ds
      @BobBob-vy9ds 6 місяців тому

      Recently I have started using addons on a lot of killers, yet my blighty boi will remain without addons, probably forever unless I'm just messing around. Used to use addons with him, but kept getting frustrated and angry so I took them off, and felt bliss. He is perfect without any change.

  • @fugosfork7907
    @fugosfork7907 2 місяці тому

    I have been playing since 2016, of which roughly 600 hours are with 13fps on a school laptop. I total now between 700 and 800 hours, so I guess in comparison I feel a bit better about how clueless of a player i am

  • @set-terra3866
    @set-terra3866 8 місяців тому

    I was laughing my ass off when I saw trickster on the list because I knew who it had to be based of his shader's. Gotta remind hens of the ptsd

  • @anettelma123
    @anettelma123 8 місяців тому

    I love how Hens and Otz pronounce the name "Wacek" haha :D

  • @ahmadyahyal
    @ahmadyahyal 8 місяців тому

    YAYY!! It's fun! I'm gonna guess the playtime!

  • @damnsoda8286
    @damnsoda8286 8 місяців тому

    Slinger - 4,000
    Pinhead - 12,000
    Trickster - 300
    Boom. Easy.

  • @Cutie_Pie88
    @Cutie_Pie88 4 місяці тому

    Hens sounds like the Samination Trapper xD

  • @TheFirestar2323
    @TheFirestar2323 8 місяців тому +1

    Gonna be honest, I actually don't believe hours make much of a difference when we are already at 4k+ which makes this a bit pointless for me.
    Like, sure playtime increases your game knowledge, but only up to like 2-2.5k hours.
    I am at 1.7k and I know enough to have looked similar like these on my main. I think these showcases are more interesting with more variation (e.g. 260 hours, 1k hours, 4k hours)

  • @Ariamaki
    @Ariamaki 8 місяців тому

    I feel like this video was neat but missed a HUGE important part of things, which was us getting to see Otz and Hans' reactions to learning if they were right or not.

    • @SupaAlf
      @SupaAlf  8 місяців тому

      in the older videos i kept that in, but sadly youtube cares about retention and most people click off when they find out the answers

  • @PachiSenpaiTV
    @PachiSenpaiTV 8 місяців тому

    you should do this with killer mains that have super low hours lmao

  • @CPastor1055
    @CPastor1055 7 місяців тому

    Alf wanted them to guess their hours, Otz told him who they are and where they live

  • @gar7266
    @gar7266 6 місяців тому

    this video just proves how easy this game is compared to actual comp heavy games where you can quantify hours a lot more. i’ve seen killers better then these 5k hours and they have like 200 hours

  • @Its_SaberHG
    @Its_SaberHG 8 місяців тому

    I would love to participate in this, this looks fun

  • @I1s7a
    @I1s7a 6 місяців тому

    Dude i wanna be on this with my huntress 😂 would be so interesting to see if they guess i have like 8k hrs bc i ONLY play for fun and not to win anymore (orbitals, long distance snipes, 360s and they throw the hatchet, letting survivors go etc)

  • @joseelliele4520
    @joseelliele4520 8 місяців тому +1

    2:12 Do I hear pleasure? Hello?

  • @senio6638
    @senio6638 8 місяців тому

    My bro needs to wacht a Zapples deathslinger Gameplay, it's crazy.

  • @PsYcO9iKiLl9YaH
    @PsYcO9iKiLl9YaH 8 місяців тому +1

    i mean if you play a game for 4700 hours thats like working a job 8 hours a day for almost 600+ days, a year has around 250 workdays so i mean how is that "only" 4.7k hours? if you have a real life,job,kids,etc putting 5k hours into a game while having a rl is pretty much alot^^ not veryone on earth plays one game only(or is a streamer)

  • @Chewboom
    @Chewboom 8 місяців тому +1

    These are a lot of fun, well done once again 💯🫶🏻

  • @zxkredo
    @zxkredo 6 місяців тому +1

    The hpurs shoulf be like 50/500/5000. I feel like those high hours have so small differences.

  • @gameipedia
    @gameipedia 8 місяців тому

    bro this trickster makes me want to learn the character lmao

  • @MommahKat
    @MommahKat 8 місяців тому

    Oh Otz thinkin cenobite has been out longer than trickster lol. It happens to the best of us

  • @VentsislavAtanasov
    @VentsislavAtanasov 3 місяці тому

    but how is the trickster video so bright like damn its like 200 gamma contrast brightness on top

  • @jody4210
    @jody4210 8 місяців тому

    iirc zubat said sth like why would i play huntress when i can play deathslinger (prenerfed) or trickster, and the reason is that survivors have no time to react and dodge. on top of that trickster can hit through smaller holes than huntress can...so i never understand why some people would put huntress so high but trickster so low on their tier list

    • @PsYcO9iKiLl9YaH
      @PsYcO9iKiLl9YaH 8 місяців тому

      i mean slinger was just insanely boring zoneing and trickster was insane at proxy camping and 1v1 chases on the right map/tile, now with all the buffs to trickster he is even stronger in 1v1 situations on more maps. huntress is and always was pretty good at alot of maps;tiles etc. huntress ability to arc a hatchet makes here good/viable at alot of loops while trickster might cant get LoS so i dont understand why you dont understand^^

    • @jody4210
      @jody4210 8 місяців тому

      @@PsYcO9iKiLl9YaH huntress and trickster used to have the same movement speed, and trickster doesn't get slowed down as much when using his power. if huntress can get los at a tile then trickster should have no issue getting it too. and you even said it yourself that trickster is good at 1v1, so idk what youre trying to express here. i was just saying that many people underestimate trickster's potential, which is what had been showcased and discussed in this video? hens literally said he might put trickster above huntress

    • @PsYcO9iKiLl9YaH
      @PsYcO9iKiLl9YaH 8 місяців тому

      @@jody4210 hens said that thats correct but thats AFTER his buffs, before he was not even close and no, if huntress can hit a hatchet at a tile that doesnt mean trickster can aswell, like i said, huntress can arc shots so that makes her allready a better option on average on alot of maps. you did not say "underestimate" ^^ you said people put huntress over trickster, thats not the same at all^^ but i get what you mean but there is way more needed to make a killer better than the other, strong 1v1 gameplay doenst give you any value if you are playing on the "wrong" map. LoS doesnt mean you can get a hit, trickster cant hit over alot of tiles/obstacles huntress can.

  • @JokerTSG
    @JokerTSG 8 місяців тому +3

    I knew who the deathslinger was before checking the description and messaged them on Twitter/X telling them they did great

  • @Wolfeatsheep
    @Wolfeatsheep 6 місяців тому

    NEED MORE OF THESE ITS GRADE A CONTENT PLEASEEEEEEE

  • @alcatratz2702
    @alcatratz2702 8 місяців тому

    Reaper would never put 8k hours+ in his title. Surely...

  • @Zamienmaster2
    @Zamienmaster2 8 місяців тому

    I’m not sure if Ottstava was talking about me or not cause my first stream on twitch was me using nemesis and failed to get everyone with only a few hundred hours of gameplay😂

  • @ivanleonov4579
    @ivanleonov4579 8 місяців тому +1

    "and even for the one that chat got wrong the right answer was 2nd"
    Bruh there were only 2 options left at that point LMAO

    • @vampyar
      @vampyar 8 місяців тому

      We can change our answers afterward if we aren’t confident in them, since we could change based off seeing more of the games

  • @MentalHellscape
    @MentalHellscape 7 місяців тому

    I’m going to be perfectly honest, only have less than 400 hours total in dbd and main slinger… i am confident that I am a lot better than that first slinger, if at all possible, I would love to have a game of mine featured in this

  • @alaska7571
    @alaska7571 6 місяців тому

    POLAND MENTIONED and since hes polish you read it vatzek

  • @kaldaninja
    @kaldaninja 8 місяців тому

    Truth is PC movements are way more smooth then console that's truth. The camera movement is way different 😅 seems unreal

  • @LxrdLucid
    @LxrdLucid 8 місяців тому

    Babe wake up supaalf dropped a vid

  • @divacroft1034
    @divacroft1034 5 місяців тому

    those fan made websites probably show only those people stat who agreed to share with it just like playstation trophy websites

  • @PhoenixSeer_
    @PhoenixSeer_ 8 місяців тому

    I'm pretty sure some people from chat knew and searched up the hours, but ggs. 2/3

  • @Arch50281
    @Arch50281 7 місяців тому

    Love these series

  • @jangolob272
    @jangolob272 7 місяців тому

    bro i got 3/3 and i quit the game 2 years ago and came back 1 week ago

  • @botemmerman5526
    @botemmerman5526 7 місяців тому

    Should do spookyloopz with huntress or ghostface

  • @allisonhutchins9323
    @allisonhutchins9323 3 місяці тому

    I would love to see if these 2 could guess how many hours I have if I got put in with a video of my main

  • @Ashy_Slashy3
    @Ashy_Slashy3 8 місяців тому

    That pinhead was awesome

  • @JautraisOds
    @JautraisOds 7 місяців тому

    I could do that with 50-100h playtime

  • @AA-mj6tb
    @AA-mj6tb 8 місяців тому +1

    they should really guess players not hours they are doing a great job with that

  • @Monstrosity993
    @Monstrosity993 7 місяців тому

    Hey guys im a new dbd player can someone give me tips?

  • @JulesTheGachaGamer
    @JulesTheGachaGamer 7 місяців тому

    It's the hans guy

  • @justozi2769
    @justozi2769 Місяць тому

    6.2k deathslinger imo

  • @kamisguide
    @kamisguide 8 місяців тому

    Thank you for the video.

  • @jacobthesquirrel4169
    @jacobthesquirrel4169 8 місяців тому

    I'd like to see the next part of this series with less drastic numbers and from random people, not well know content creators as that gives more of an approximation on that creator's gameplay and not the skill showed in the game.
    For example, why not do members from your discord that are around 1k, 3k, 4k, and 6k hours. There's definitely some cracked players at 1k since 1000 hours in a game is no laughing matter as most people don't even put time like that into their favorite games (not by any means am I saying they're on par with players that have 6k hours but it's not like they're noobs)