I love how simple the fact of infinity can turn a lot of Gojo’s losing matchups to at least stalemates. Really shows why Sukuna needed Big Raga in the first place.
@@thetruedemonking5367yeah it would all depend on if Sakuna could think up the world slash himself without Raga showing him and if he can think it up before he loses to Gojo. Would be a high diff fight on both sides especially with the reincarnation card still in play.
@@Moomoomoomini youre absolutely right but I think in a fair one v one Gojo wins but still close fight cuz sukuna has crazy battle iq an he can cut thru anything
@@kaizel2264It is not infinite space. It is infintite nothingness or just nothingness. It is more of a feat for his ki control and not power /ablility to break dimensions telling he can control ki to such a small level that he can divide his ki into so little that it becomes nothing. I don't know for the super manga but i don't think the physical world will shake like that since it contains weight and mass which would require massive amount of ki to move unlike nothing which would require nothing to move. And shaking the physical world will only result in loss of ki without any damage to the enemy. Goku is not THAT stupid. He got enough BIQ to know that a bad move. Hopefully, my understanding of UI is correct and the manga doesn't say that UI work differently.
@IshanGaur-jf8fi But the space contained nothing. Even if it was infinte, it was still nothing. I am not saying Goku doesn't beat gojo. He beats the shit out of him but adding space time only makes goku feat of shaking the realm weaker. Absolute nothing is far hard to even interact with then shaking infinite realms. With absolute nothingness, no laws apply nor is there any physical way to interact with it. If space time is added, space time laws come and make the work of shaking the place easier and interacting with said space a million time easier. That is also what made UI strong in my opinion. UI can help goku bypass and act or ignore certain physical laws. I have not seen the hit time skip and other stuff that in the manga. I am have only completed db and the first of dbz so by the time TOP rolls around, i might get a bettet understanding of UI and other skills that have come. Do tell me if I am wrong.
When it comes to ichigo, people usually bring up his scaling to get him past infinity, but i think he has another way to actually get through infinity. Ichigo can use granray cero, which is known to actually warp or break space.
I think people just genuinely overrate infinity and don’t know how it works. One of its limitations is that it is affected by spatial manipulation attacks.
@kaimobley5324 ohh yeah, i kinda forgot the whole dimension thing that ichigo did back then. Ichigo shouldn't be a maybe because he definitely beats gojo. I don't know if Dre genuinely didn't know this or if he just ignored all these things that ichigo can do
One thing I’ve never understood about Dre’s takes despite his takes for Bleach scaling being pretty fair, is this idea of Ichigo stalemating Gojo. We saw firsthand that spatial manipulation attacks can bypass infinity. Bleach gran rey cero’s are stated to bend space. Are we really saying Sukuna’s cleave is superior than a gran rey cero from Ichigo? Doesn’t really make sense to me.
@@Heavenly828Still does not make sense. He knows atleast how the power of most MCs work. It would make sense if ichigo was not the MC and he didn't know how his power worked but ichigo has the third most popular powers in bleach after almightly and kyogu gestuto. Ichigo power are also really straightforward and we know every single detail about them unlike the other two but he perfectly understand the other two powers.
Goku could just send him to space, knowing Goku he'll notice the infinity instantly and began quickly making a technique to break through it just like Sukuna did.
Goku has instant transmission. He can go anywhere he senses energy. He just IT past infinity and holds onto Gojo. From there, he could push Gojo into space.
The only reason I will say instant transmission won’t do anything is because while it probably will get him through infinity after that in order to hit him infinity will activate when he tries to punch as his punches aren’t instant like instant transmission
I agree with most of these takes by dre except for few. In my opinion Luffy can get through Infinity via Ryou since he isn't touching him physically. Ichigo can easily cut through Infinity, I mean Sukuna did it dimensional slash that isn't even country level in dc, meanwhile Ichigo's attacks are on par with multiversal beings like Ywhach. Also taking in account of speed, Gojo can't nearly catch up with most of these characters, which proves my next point about Goku. I always acknowledged and admired dre for his fiction-based knowledge, but cmon the hate on Goku is too much 💀 And i'm no goku meatrider, but dude can literally blast away Earth and what would Gojo do? I'll say it again, this is my personal opinion.
@@dusky5535yeah circumstances are always important in a battle, say in a tournament, or if Gojo killed Krillin the battle changed drastically. But due to Goku’s scaling, speed and power output he should have no problem dealing with infinity especially in Ultra Instinct where the body would move on it’s own to lead Goku towards victory. But yeah Dre downplays Goku quite a bit
You’re on point with a few of these, but Goku wouldn’t just destroy the planet, even if it’s to kill whoever he’s fighting. Also the fact that Haki has to travel at all into Gojo’s body would discount it from working on him.
@@boggy7091yes however you can exhaust gojo as his stamina isn't limitless as we see when kenjaku imprisoned him and in his fight with sukuna. Also Ichigo literally can just use a cero to bypass infinity
@@chillfenrir6050 that was only in very specific circumstances where he couldn’t just pop a domain immediately since they were surrounded by people tho. Also why are you bringing up other ways ichigo can bypass infinity when I’m talking about stamina
Makima putting the literal encarnation of darkness on his knees in his own home... There is no way that gojo is tanking those bangs and those hand tortions.
As long as you can cut through space or have any kind of spatial manipulation, you should be able to get through infinity Can: ichigo, asta, Naruto, sukuna, Goku Debatable: makima Can’t: deku, meruem, luffy They all mostly outscale him, except makima
There is really no debate when it comes to Goku and Ichigo to be honest. They both have feats or have shown relativity to feats of dimensional barrier destruction. Goku shaking the world of void, Buu screaming and breaking space-time, Broly and Gogeta breaking space-time and so on. It's not even a matter of attack speed or range, just the power alone would obliterate Gojo and the Infinity, no questions asked. Ichigo slaps away Kurohitsugi which is consistent as Aizen sits through one casually, Ichigo cuts Yukio's dimension destroying it in the process, fodder hollows traverse dimensions by literally ripping through space-time (Ulquiorra does this with his bare hand), ceros warp and distort space. Being a Quincy, he can absorb energy around him with his sword... that's basically Domain amplification on steroids, he would absorb all the curse energy powering Infinity and just cut Gojo with one swing of his sword. His reiatsu is so heavy that Gojo merely sensing Ichigo would make him see illusions of his own death and make him give up his will to live instantly. And these are just if we're playing along with the notion that "Infinity" HAS to be bypassed, considering the fact that once Gojo expands his domain once, it's over because his CT would be on cooldown and his RCT ain't stopping Goku or Ichigo. And yes, they both have ways around Infinite Void. Ichigo just recently took on the memories and knowledge of the Reio, a being that has existed since the dawn of time and knows everything across Infinite timelines past, present and future. So Infinite information flooding his brain wouldn't do anything to him. Also, he can break a domain barrier from the inside rather easily. Even in the unlikely event where his brain is fried or he becomes paralysed, not only does Blut vene passively defend against anything Gojo can damage him with, White Zangetsu can just take over his body and I promise you, Gojo is not surviving the absolute terror that is Vasto Lorde Ichigo. Goku also breaks out easily. Because he can react to teleportation, he has Infinite speed reaction time meaning his brain can already process information infinitely faster than normal so Infinite Void would just be instantly processed. He has UI which grants him automatic movements without the input of thought, so even without an active brain he'd still beat Gojo. And of course, even if Gojo does paralyse Goku, none of his attacks are damaging him. He'll just eventually regain autonomy and whoop Gojo anyway. So like I said, these 2 are NOT in the slightest bit debatable.
@@Mars-td7pbasta has an enhanced version of Yamis dimension slash, "Universal slash" which is just dimension slash but better AND cloaked in anti magic. Also through via versa, anti magic = anti cursed energy, since they are pretty similar. Also Ichigo negs gojo
@@YskoYL So... Ichigo's slap (universal slash) aka World Slash. And Quincy energy absorption (anti-magic) aka Domain Amplification. They literally achieve the same things in this scenario lol.
@@YskoYL My bad, I didn't see the "also Ichigo negs Gojo" part until now. Maybe I read your response before you edited? I was just pointing out that both Asta and Ichigo have similar win cons.
@@mrkingdrago1013if you're saying he won't find a way to get through infinity, you are dead wrong, Goku already has shown feats of shaking an infinite void, literally breaking reality, SCREAMING through dimensions, and even if Gojo lasts long enough to pop domain, UI is a perfect counter.
As far as I know, his ability works by categorizing things as threats. Then his technique does all the work, no matter if he can actually see the threats. Otherwise sneak attacks would easily be able to end him.
Something i rarely see people bring up is that Goku's God Kamehameha has punched straight into pocket dimensions. During his rematch with Hit, Hit creates a pocket dimension using the stored time his Time-Skip creates. Goku then powers up to Blue and fires a Kamehameha so powerful that it just broke into another dimensional space and blasted Hit back out of it. I dont see any real reason as to why Infinity would be able to stop him. But for arguments sake lets say it does stop Goku right? By using verse equalization, Cursed Energy = Ki, thus creating a signature for Goku to lock onto using Instant Transmission. Theres nothing stopping Goku from just outright grabbing him that way and flinging him into Orbit.
We can end the debate easily, DBZ super buu can literally scream through dimensions, and create holes between space and time, current base goku's presence alone would vaporise that buu. Goku has been bypassing infinity, even higher infinities several times, i think Dre's knowledge about powers of db characters are still in the cell saga or the frieza saga.
if we use Verse Equalisation(Cursed Energy is the same as Ki) then Goku would destroy Gojo because his Ki is way higher and stronger than Gojo's cursed energy. in other words Goku's Ki would no doubt overpower Gojo no matter if he does Goku things or not
Imma just say this in DBZ super buu yelled and that yell was able to break through the time chamber basically making a hole in space and time that was a yell goku as of DBS is countless times stronger then DBZ super buu while at base meaning he could just punch a hole in infinity (also he does scale to infinite speed and also has the ability to teleport behind infinity so there’s that)
Okay... just becsude we saw Buu do thst doesnt mean thst Goku csn do it. We have never seen Goku scream and break through a dimensions, for all we know only Buu, Gotenks and Broly have been seen doing that.
@@ryangreen2493ngl it's kinda true. That scream buu did is not a hack but of sheer power alone. Gotenks didn't use a hack either his sheer amount of power resulted in that. Just because goku and vegeta didn't try it doesn't mean they can't do it, considering everyone in dragon ball have energy they can form to almost anything.
I wonder if you can make an argument for Meruems En or In ability? (Forgot which one it’s called) we know Infinity doesn’t stop or slow down light/photons so maybe that would get through?
@@mrkingdrago1013 If Gotenks and Buu could scream and rip a hole through the fabric of space in the Time Chamber he can definitely punch a hole through Infinity
@@omereltayeb7711 he 100% does, that's literally all Gear 5 is, he just hasn't realized he can literally do ANYTHING, have you actually watched One Piece?
@@maryboyd8126Average gear 5 glazer lol.Luffy can't imagine he can do anything his toon force is limited. If Luffy can imagine anything and it will happen, then you're basically saying he solos 99 percent of anime, which isn't true.
Damn the fact Gojo despite coming from a relatively weak universe than the others, he can rlly go to to toe with beings far stronger than him due to hax
Wdym toe to toe gojo is weak compared to most characters here the only reason he gets a chance of a stalemate is because of his infinity he can't do no damage to someone like goku
As long Deku has Gearshift, he can get through Infinity. Sukuna, yes. Luffy can beat him if he gets through Infinity, but I don't think he has anything to get through it. Makima, hell no. Naruto made a Rasengan that hit a limbo in another dimension, he negs. Ichigo already can exist in another dimension, he slaps. Asta outstats him, although anti magic doesn't mean anti curse technique. I still think he wins tho. Goku wins 100x over, don't even need to explain why. Meruem loses, sorry HxH fans
@@FutGamer0 In Dragonball your energy is relative to your speed and power. So the stronger you are, the faster you are, and vise versa. We know Goku has been universal since the battle of God's, and has become hundreds if not thousands of times stronger since then. Not only this, Goku was able to shake an infinite void with his presence alone, this requires infinite energy. Infinite energy=infinite speed
@@xeriencegoldentoast8658 my guy you are pulling crap out of your cheeks. As for the explanation you asked for, anything that approaches Gojo while his infinity is on will INFINITELY slow down, unable to ever come in contact with him. Goku does NOT have infinite speed as if that was the case Dragon Ball would be 100x shorter.
Even if Ichigo isn't cutting infinity he would win due to Gojo getting damaged by just reiatsu. even Gin got a chunk of his arm destroyed by just touching hogyoku Aizen
@@ScirioBirdLover exactly, and I don't think gojo would be able to tank that. It seems like people tend to forget that something like gran ray cero exist in bleach
That's not the only way Ichigo can get through Infinity. He also can use Grand Ray Cero which distorts Space itself and honestly he can just cut right through it regularly as him in the Fullbring Arc literally destroyed an entire Dimension just from going into his Bankai alone
Sukuna who LITERALLY WON, Makima(she could get past infinity with Mold/sacrifice ritual could bypass it, Bang/finger gun has zero travel time, so that also does it,) Naruto with frog kata, Ichigo because HE FUCKING BROKE A DIMENSION IN THE FULLBRINGER ARC, and in bleach, if you outscale the opponent performing the hax...the hax itself gets negated, Asta negates, Goku just screams away infinity, and destroys it, and just like in bleach, if you scale higher than the opponent performing the hax...the hax gets negated all get past infinity and win here.
Honestly, since Luffy can rubberize and touch air in a way that he can run on it, he would absolutely just rubberize gojo’s infinity and then punch him with it or some shit. Plus Ryou would probably get through it since it moves into an object after the physical hit.
That’s not how that works. He needs to lock on to someone’s Ki. Even if he didn’t need to do that, he can’t go through solid objects and forces with it
@@2btqjhe can sense ki within the room of spirit and time a separate dimension from the living world. He can shatter the universe with punches and us stronger than beings who can rip through dimensions just by screaming like super buu and gotenks.
If we’re talking Post-Rose Meruem I think it’s a different story. He has the durability to tank most attacks Gojo has other than most likely Hollow Nuke, and let say the fights take place in an arena. Meruem has mountain level AP using Youpis rage blast and could probably destroy any arena they’re fighting in with a big blast, and as we’ve seen, explosions can bypass infinity. Gojos Hollow Nuke did damage too him, if Meruem can use full power rage blasts consistently I think he gets the win. But idk, you can argue with me if you want.
I think people forget that Gojo isn't just his Infinity. He can also heal himself to the point where he never runs out of cursed energy because he is constantly healing the part of his brain that produces it, that's how he is able to keep Infinity constantly active and constantly reactivating when it gets canceled out.
Pretty sure that's only outside of battle. It was brought up in both his fight with the special grade curses where kenjaku imprisoned him and in his fight with sukuna that he can be exhausted
the thing with ki in dragon ball is it makes it so that if someone has a drastically higher power level it cancels out someone’s ability (i.e goku moving through a timeskip, vegeta punching through top’s destruction orb) so under verse equalization his energy would just make gojo’s infinity moot
Asta got the anti venom symbiote equivalent to cursed energy aka the curse repellent lmfao😂😂😂😂. I imagine mahito tryna pull up to asta use his CT on him and it burns mahito to even touch him while asta saying unhand me u fiend.
Ichigo should be laughing like Kira cause one thing he didn’t mention here is that Naruto , luffy , ichigo and goku are just on another level of speed so gojo can’t catch them in the domain and even sukuna was able to overwhelm the passive infinity so it’s one punch from goku , Naruto and luffy or one slice from ichigo to turn the honored 1/2 to the demolished 1/10000
Deku might be able to he can basically one shot everybody from JJK if you’re talking about end of the verse version of him now he still can’t get through infinity, but he could just tire Gojo out and if that happens, all it will take is one punch Also, Goku can get through infinity because he could just use Hakai
@@langadube9611gearshift from Deku MIGHT bypass it, depending on how you take its statements, Ryou from Luffy might also bypass, Anti-Magic is 100% bypassing, and Goku and Ichigo don't even have to try, they have more then enough Ki/Reiatsu to just WALK through infinity, since both Ki/Reiatsu = Cursed Energy, so they'd just negate Infinity.
@@langadube9611 true, especially stuff like "Goku things" he uses on literally every Goku fight, which, MOST is understandable, Goku has shown to be able to be hurt by bullets, so a lot of characters could potentially hurt, or kill him if they get the drop on him, but SOME, are just down right lies.
... Goku has broken through Hits space time altering stop thingy, he could prooooobably take on gojo... also Goku is low multiversal in canon so he absolutely OBLITERATES gojo because gojo is only country level
ok sorry that there is no polish translation because every major company thinks we are a 5th world country. we have translation up to the 20th book, we are 7 books behind.
Technically you are wrong about the sukuna part but idk if this form was when he had Mahoraga but if it wasn’t he would’ve lost as gege said im pretty sure but i think this was before gege ever said that
In Dragonballs defense, raw power cancels hax in that verse same way Jiren was able to move by overpowering the concept of time when he was frozen in time by Hit . Goku powering through infinity is very possible considering the sheer raw power difference between them.
lol when aizen casted hado 90 kurohitsugi it was insane like a black hole and ichigo broke through it with a hand smack idk think whatever you want but made me remember how broken ichi is : )
The funny thing about Makima. The only ability in her arsenal that could get through Infinity is her "Bang!" When Makima points her finger at you, and says "Bang", she doesn't doesnt shoot an invisible magic bullet. The wound just...appears on you. So there wouldnt be any mass to be blocked by Infinity.
Well Luffy's Haki could possibly negate infinity or the projecting Haki could bypass infinity via Advanced Armament/Conquerors Haki it since Haki has no mass. or Gear 5 could toon force it.
Bro have you read the last dragon ball chapters? Goku in ui not only has telekinesis that can definitely get through infinity but as stated in the manga gojo controls what gets through infinity and that’s why light and air can reach him so Goku only has to “punch air real hard” or something like that
I love how simple the fact of infinity can turn a lot of Gojo’s losing matchups to at least stalemates. Really shows why Sukuna needed Big Raga in the first place.
And why I think Sukuna should be a maybe, bc without Big Raga he might not be able to beat Gojo
@@thetruedemonking5367yeah it would all depend on if Sakuna could think up the world slash himself without Raga showing him and if he can think it up before he loses to Gojo. Would be a high diff fight on both sides especially with the reincarnation card still in play.
@LBhomie03 yeah I agree. Although, some of these aren't really stalemates, like ichigo(I do believe that ichigo can get through infinity)
He literally cant hurt half of the character and he needs to turn it off to do something
no its just overrated, infinity is so ez to bypass 💀
Sukuna not smiling is wild. He literally divided him 😭🙏
Edit: ive started a war 💀🙏
🕺divided by 2 = Gojo
Judging by the pic I think the creator is anime only (even though most people know
😂😂😂😂he really made him go/jo
@@a_weak_raccoon I didn't understand sorry are you talking about the comment or dre
@@a_weak_raccoon you could be right
Sukuna did jump my dawg with the oppa stoppa 😭
Facts
😂
I mean, it’s part of his kit 🤷♂️
Ya but know mahoraga is dead
@@Moomoomoomini youre absolutely right but I think in a fair one v one Gojo wins but still close fight cuz sukuna has crazy battle iq an he can cut thru anything
Dragon Ball characters from Buu saga and above have broken dimensional barriers.
Infinity isn't a dimension. It's infinite space.
@@eclipsesable7276 goku Shook the whole World Of Void in Ultra Instinct Omen which as a world of Infinite Space
Goku traveled infinite space lol @@eclipsesable7276
@@kaizel2264It is not infinite space. It is infintite nothingness or just nothingness. It is more of a feat for his ki control and not power /ablility to break dimensions telling he can control ki to such a small level that he can divide his ki into so little that it becomes nothing.
I don't know for the super manga but i don't think the physical world will shake like that since it contains weight and mass which would require massive amount of ki to move unlike nothing which would require nothing to move. And shaking the physical world will only result in loss of ki without any damage to the enemy. Goku is not THAT stupid. He got enough BIQ to know that a bad move. Hopefully, my understanding of UI is correct and the manga doesn't say that UI work differently.
@IshanGaur-jf8fi But the space contained nothing. Even if it was infinte, it was still nothing. I am not saying Goku doesn't beat gojo. He beats the shit out of him but adding space time only makes goku feat of shaking the realm weaker. Absolute nothing is far hard to even interact with then shaking infinite realms. With absolute nothingness, no laws apply nor is there any physical way to interact with it.
If space time is added, space time laws come and make the work of shaking the place easier and interacting with said space a million time easier. That is also what made UI strong in my opinion. UI can help goku bypass and act or ignore certain physical laws.
I have not seen the hit time skip and other stuff that in the manga. I am have only completed db and the first of dbz so by the time TOP rolls around, i might get a bettet understanding of UI and other skills that have come. Do tell me if I am wrong.
ichigo is having NO TROUBLE slicing gojo😂
characters that ichigo is stronger than has feats against stronger characters in bleach 😂
But do any of them possess a barrier of infinity noo so duhh stay quiet!!!!
@@Victro1002.0 there’s characters with powers 10x better and stronger than infinity
@@Victro1002.0 Kenpachi literally cut through space, so shush
@@Victro1002.0Tfw Gran Ray Cero's can manipulate space and matter and that's an ability Ichigo can use
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When it comes to ichigo, people usually bring up his scaling to get him past infinity, but i think he has another way to actually get through infinity. Ichigo can use granray cero, which is known to actually warp or break space.
I mean there's that, Reiatsu and the fact he flat out destroyed an entire Dimension on his own in the Fullbring Arc just from going into his Bankai
I think people just genuinely overrate infinity and don’t know how it works. One of its limitations is that it is affected by spatial manipulation attacks.
@kaimobley5324 ohh yeah, i kinda forgot the whole dimension thing that ichigo did back then. Ichigo shouldn't be a maybe because he definitely beats gojo. I don't know if Dre genuinely didn't know this or if he just ignored all these things that ichigo can do
@@ChillestSkeleton exactly, and you'd be surprised at how many characters have space manipulation
@@nerooyeye2196I mean you also have true bankai ichigo that was able to bypass the Almighty witch if literally reality and fate manipulation.
Sukuna have seen two fangirls fighting over Gojo so he help them and divided him
Ichigo could just negate Infinity through Reiatsu alone
true
Not like he actually needed to as he can get through it regardless
One thing I’ve never understood about Dre’s takes despite his takes for Bleach scaling being pretty fair, is this idea of Ichigo stalemating Gojo. We saw firsthand that spatial manipulation attacks can bypass infinity. Bleach gran rey cero’s are stated to bend space. Are we really saying Sukuna’s cleave is superior than a gran rey cero from Ichigo? Doesn’t really make sense to me.
@@ChillestSkeletonfor the benefit of the doubt let’s just say he missed that part I mean he’s still human and may have overlooked it
@@Heavenly828Still does not make sense. He knows atleast how the power of most MCs work. It would make sense if ichigo was not the MC and he didn't know how his power worked but ichigo has the third most popular powers in bleach after almightly and kyogu gestuto.
Ichigo power are also really straightforward and we know every single detail about them unlike the other two but he perfectly understand the other two powers.
Goku could just send him to space, knowing Goku he'll notice the infinity instantly and began quickly making a technique to break through it just like Sukuna did.
That's not happening and vice versa
Goku can just use telekinesis. (Only manga Goku has this though.)
really I thought anime goku had it buy just doesn't use it
can't goku just use the sealing?
Goku has instant transmission. He can go anywhere he senses energy. He just IT past infinity and holds onto Gojo. From there, he could push Gojo into space.
*cough cough* Instant Transmission *cough cough*
SSJ 3 can roar through dimensions but he can't get through Infinity??? Ok bro
''cough cough'' meatrider ''cough cough''
It really isn't if Gotenks can create a portal through dimensions than it's safe to say Goku can to, simple logic@@elijahkeeley4928
The only reason I will say instant transmission won’t do anything is because while it probably will get him through infinity after that in order to hit him infinity will activate when he tries to punch as his punches aren’t instant like instant transmission
Hakai 🗿
I agree with most of these takes by dre except for few. In my opinion Luffy can get through Infinity via Ryou since he isn't touching him physically. Ichigo can easily cut through Infinity, I mean Sukuna did it dimensional slash that isn't even country level in dc, meanwhile Ichigo's attacks are on par with multiversal beings like Ywhach. Also taking in account of speed, Gojo can't nearly catch up with most of these characters, which proves my next point about Goku. I always acknowledged and admired dre for his fiction-based knowledge, but cmon the hate on Goku is too much 💀 And i'm no goku meatrider, but dude can literally blast away Earth and what would Gojo do? I'll say it again, this is my personal opinion.
I mean it’s not just opinions but actual Facts for the most part the only maybe is luffy it depends on if his ability’s have travel time or not.
To give a bit of weight to the Goku thing, i think Dre means in a 1v1. Goku would never blow up the earth killing his friends like that.
Yh that's true.i don't think Goku would just blow up the planet and kill his friends like that@@dusky5535
@@dusky5535yeah circumstances are always important in a battle, say in a tournament, or if Gojo killed Krillin the battle changed drastically. But due to Goku’s scaling, speed and power output he should have no problem dealing with infinity especially in Ultra Instinct where the body would move on it’s own to lead Goku towards victory. But yeah Dre downplays Goku quite a bit
You’re on point with a few of these, but Goku wouldn’t just destroy the planet, even if it’s to kill whoever he’s fighting. Also the fact that Haki has to travel at all into Gojo’s body would discount it from working on him.
Even if Ichigo cant cut through infinity, he still wins off of stamina
He can
@@Meepie_Playz ik he can, hence the "even if"
How? It doesn’t matter how much stamina you have considering infinity is never turned off for current gojo
@@boggy7091yes however you can exhaust gojo as his stamina isn't limitless as we see when kenjaku imprisoned him and in his fight with sukuna. Also Ichigo literally can just use a cero to bypass infinity
@@chillfenrir6050 that was only in very specific circumstances where he couldn’t just pop a domain immediately since they were surrounded by people tho. Also why are you bringing up other ways ichigo can bypass infinity when I’m talking about stamina
Gojo seeing goku teleport directly in front of him with an instant Kamehameha: 👁️ 👁️
I swear he could say Goku could lose to the Spy x family if he does “Goku things”
That's why you I don't watch him. This is what I get recommend and it's the worst takes ever. He already lost it at Deku, the literal first one
Lol its really funny that strongest characters here(Goatku and Ichigoat) doesn't smiling. Because they solo the verse even by preference.
Ichigo solo verse with his spiritual pressure alone😂😂😂
Makima putting the literal encarnation of darkness on his knees in his own home... There is no way that gojo is tanking those bangs and those hand tortions.
Goku:*blows up the planet*
Out of character
@@yuufan5894 fair
He can just use telekinesis.
@@yuufan5894*tps through it-*
@@kingdnd50 that is a good Argument
As long as you can cut through space or have any kind of spatial manipulation, you should be able to get through infinity
Can: ichigo, asta, Naruto, sukuna, Goku
Debatable: makima
Can’t: deku, meruem, luffy
They all mostly outscale him, except makima
Gearshift can depending on how you interpret it statements
Makima solos with Bang
True
Pretty sure deku can
@@gameuniverse5973 he could use gearshift to kind of trick infinity, but only if you assume he has no cursed energy and he can sneak Gojo.
IMMEASURABLE SPIRITUAL PRESSURE... RELEASED all ichigo need to vaporized the JJK VERSE
There is really no debate when it comes to Goku and Ichigo to be honest.
They both have feats or have shown relativity to feats of dimensional barrier destruction.
Goku shaking the world of void, Buu screaming and breaking space-time, Broly and Gogeta breaking space-time and so on.
It's not even a matter of attack speed or range, just the power alone would obliterate Gojo and the Infinity, no questions asked.
Ichigo slaps away Kurohitsugi which is consistent as Aizen sits through one casually, Ichigo cuts Yukio's dimension destroying it in the process, fodder hollows traverse dimensions by literally ripping through space-time (Ulquiorra does this with his bare hand), ceros warp and distort space. Being a Quincy, he can absorb energy around him with his sword... that's basically Domain amplification on steroids, he would absorb all the curse energy powering Infinity and just cut Gojo with one swing of his sword.
His reiatsu is so heavy that Gojo merely sensing Ichigo would make him see illusions of his own death and make him give up his will to live instantly.
And these are just if we're playing along with the notion that "Infinity" HAS to be bypassed, considering the fact that once Gojo expands his domain once, it's over because his CT would be on cooldown and his RCT ain't stopping Goku or Ichigo. And yes, they both have ways around Infinite Void.
Ichigo just recently took on the memories and knowledge of the Reio, a being that has existed since the dawn of time and knows everything across Infinite timelines past, present and future. So Infinite information flooding his brain wouldn't do anything to him.
Also, he can break a domain barrier from the inside rather easily.
Even in the unlikely event where his brain is fried or he becomes paralysed, not only does Blut vene passively defend against anything Gojo can damage him with, White Zangetsu can just take over his body and I promise you, Gojo is not surviving the absolute terror that is Vasto Lorde Ichigo.
Goku also breaks out easily. Because he can react to teleportation, he has Infinite speed reaction time meaning his brain can already process information infinitely faster than normal so Infinite Void would just be instantly processed.
He has UI which grants him automatic movements without the input of thought, so even without an active brain he'd still beat Gojo.
And of course, even if Gojo does paralyse Goku, none of his attacks are damaging him. He'll just eventually regain autonomy and whoop Gojo anyway.
So like I said, these 2 are NOT in the slightest bit debatable.
True, and he said Asta can beat while Ichigo is a stalemate 😂
@@Mars-td7pbasta has an enhanced version of Yamis dimension slash, "Universal slash" which is just dimension slash but better AND cloaked in anti magic. Also through via versa, anti magic = anti cursed energy, since they are pretty similar. Also Ichigo negs gojo
@@YskoYL So... Ichigo's slap (universal slash) aka World Slash.
And Quincy energy absorption (anti-magic) aka Domain Amplification.
They literally achieve the same things in this scenario lol.
@@revenantronin8377 I never said Ichigo is a stalemate tho? I said he negs gojo 😭
@@YskoYL My bad, I didn't see the "also Ichigo negs Gojo" part until now. Maybe I read your response before you edited?
I was just pointing out that both Asta and Ichigo have similar win cons.
Bro sukuna gave him the 50% of discount💀
bro goku is punching right through that infinity thing
If Goku can’t touch Gojo, he can just blow up the area. I’m sure he’ll find some goofy way to break through it though
Nah he's not
@@mrkingdrago1013if you're saying he won't find a way to get through infinity, you are dead wrong, Goku already has shown feats of shaking an infinite void, literally breaking reality, SCREAMING through dimensions, and even if Gojo lasts long enough to pop domain, UI is a perfect counter.
Thing is though, if your fast enough that his subconscious can’t realize your there, it won’t activate for you (season 2 of jjk, hidden inventory ark)
As far as I know, his ability works by categorizing things as threats. Then his technique does all the work, no matter if he can actually see the threats.
Otherwise sneak attacks would easily be able to end him.
Goku just blows up the earth gojo looses
What have you done
Why would he do that?
I think goko things here is him giving up cause he couldn't get through it or be bored and not fight at all
Bro whaaat why tf would goku do that
@@destroyer6990oh he would not get bored he would probably figure it out like he did with Hits time skip but it will take awhile
luffy opening infinity like a door is crazy
Ryou gets through infinity since it doesn’t travel. Haki would equate to cursed energy anyways and would allow the intangible/untouchable to be hit
What's Luffy gonna do if gono opens his domain
@@RobloxianBalIer speed blitz. Luffy is MFTL, I don’t think anyone in jjk is even lightning speed
@@sharebear421they aren’t tbh.
Sukuna better turn that smile upside down he had to rely on Mahoraga to get him through infinity otherwise he'd have no way to actually get through it
Something i rarely see people bring up is that Goku's God Kamehameha has punched straight into pocket dimensions. During his rematch with Hit, Hit creates a pocket dimension using the stored time his Time-Skip creates. Goku then powers up to Blue and fires a Kamehameha so powerful that it just broke into another dimensional space and blasted Hit back out of it. I dont see any real reason as to why Infinity would be able to stop him.
But for arguments sake lets say it does stop Goku right? By using verse equalization, Cursed Energy = Ki, thus creating a signature for Goku to lock onto using Instant Transmission. Theres nothing stopping Goku from just outright grabbing him that way and flinging him into Orbit.
We can end the debate easily, DBZ super buu can literally scream through dimensions, and create holes between space and time,
current base goku's presence alone would vaporise that buu. Goku has been bypassing infinity, even higher infinities several times, i think Dre's knowledge about powers of db characters are still in the cell saga or the frieza saga.
if we use Verse Equalisation(Cursed Energy is the same as Ki) then Goku would destroy Gojo because his Ki is way higher and stronger than Gojo's cursed energy. in other words Goku's Ki would no doubt overpower Gojo no matter if he does Goku things or not
Dude goku has insta teleportation.
Imma just say this in DBZ super buu yelled and that yell was able to break through the time chamber basically making a hole in space and time that was a yell goku as of DBS is countless times stronger then DBZ super buu while at base meaning he could just punch a hole in infinity (also he does scale to infinite speed and also has the ability to teleport behind infinity so there’s that)
@SK-SK-07I'm not disagree with bro above but like how is telekinesis gonna help
Okay... just becsude we saw Buu do thst doesnt mean thst Goku csn do it. We have never seen Goku scream and break through a dimensions, for all we know only Buu, Gotenks and Broly have been seen doing that.
@@ryangreen2493 doesnt matter goku is fast enough to get through infinity
@@ryangreen2493 if your referencing the broly fight current manga goku should be around that level of power at that point in the fight
@@ryangreen2493ngl it's kinda true. That scream buu did is not a hack but of sheer power alone. Gotenks didn't use a hack either his sheer amount of power resulted in that. Just because goku and vegeta didn't try it doesn't mean they can't do it, considering everyone in dragon ball have energy they can form to almost anything.
Goku: hey uhh what if I do this? *blows up the universe*💀
I wonder if you can make an argument for Meruems En or In ability? (Forgot which one it’s called) we know Infinity doesn’t stop or slow down light/photons so maybe that would get through?
and meruem is a specialist who didnt create an ability and because he is such a fast learner he could probably make one to get past infinity
Nobody:
Gojo watching a 6' pink fridge open infinity like a packrt of crisps
I firmly believe Goku could just punch a hole through Infinity
I firmly believe you're wrong in your assessment
@@mrkingdrago1013 If Gotenks and Buu could scream and rip a hole through the fabric of space in the Time Chamber he can definitely punch a hole through Infinity
@@mrkingdrago1013 If Goku is able to cause a dimensional rift, it’s not that far fetched to say he can just punch through infinity.
@@TheDeanFredericks he ripped a hole through a doorway of a hbtc not fabrics of space infinity is beyond that
@@mrkingdrago1013 I stand corrected but that was back in DBZ, MUI Goku is well beyond that
This is why i call him the Bald Sensei
Wouldn't luffys gear 5 powers turn infinity into rubber like how he catched the clouds during kaidos fight
Infinity isnt an object he cant just grab it
@@omereltayeb7711Toon Force buddy, Toon Force.
@@maryboyd8126 why didnt he toon force kiado? He didnt just blink away kiado luffy doesnt have toon force🤦♂️
@@omereltayeb7711 he 100% does, that's literally all Gear 5 is, he just hasn't realized he can literally do ANYTHING, have you actually watched One Piece?
@@maryboyd8126Average gear 5 glazer lol.Luffy can't imagine he can do anything his toon force is limited. If Luffy can imagine anything and it will happen, then you're basically saying he solos 99 percent of anime, which isn't true.
Gojo: you cant get through my infinity
Goku: 😐 *punches him*
Damn the fact Gojo despite coming from a relatively weak universe than the others, he can rlly go to to toe with beings far stronger than him due to hax
Yea cus we know most of these characters kick his ass without it
Wdym toe to toe gojo is weak compared to most characters here the only reason he gets a chance of a stalemate is because of his infinity he can't do no damage to someone like goku
@@Spoodeefss which Goku is damn well fast enough to not be slowed down by infinity
@@VileThaMercenary fr
infinity is overrated, imo gojo is a haku victim
My favorite thing about this is that you don’t even need verbalization for Austin to win he can just actually bypass the space
goku can easily bypass infinity,he havs hax like hakai and telekinesis,higher dimentional ap and inf speed,but goku downplayers just gonna deny it
Goku would walk during Gojo's Domain and speedblitz him lmaooo
Meanwhile we have literal space that is "infinity" and nobody can able to cut it out
Asta also has an attack similar to dimensional Slash ( infinity Slash)
As long Deku has Gearshift, he can get through Infinity. Sukuna, yes. Luffy can beat him if he gets through Infinity, but I don't think he has anything to get through it. Makima, hell no. Naruto made a Rasengan that hit a limbo in another dimension, he negs. Ichigo already can exist in another dimension, he slaps. Asta outstats him, although anti magic doesn't mean anti curse technique. I still think he wins tho. Goku wins 100x over, don't even need to explain why. Meruem loses, sorry HxH fans
Asta anti magic kinda works like curse energy. Plus he use his dimension slash which also reverses cause and effect.
How does gearshift bypass Inf?
@@suru7064 ah, yeah. Forgot all about Yami's Katana. Yeah that boi destroys
@Question134 it let's Deku change the speed things accelerate through space, which include his attacks. It also ignores the law of inertia
@MaskedxRonin inertia still doesn't get past infinity, you'd have to prove inertia would be able to speed up to infinity which isn't happening.
Luffy is packing Fraudjo 😭
Goku moves past infinite speed, he absolutely gets past infinity
No he doesn't? Where the hell did you pull this out of?
@@FutGamer0 In Dragonball your energy is relative to your speed and power. So the stronger you are, the faster you are, and vise versa. We know Goku has been universal since the battle of God's, and has become hundreds if not thousands of times stronger since then. Not only this, Goku was able to shake an infinite void with his presence alone, this requires infinite energy. Infinite energy=infinite speed
@@xeriencegoldentoast8658goku is not getting through infinity little boy
@@mrkingdrago1013 Explain it
@@xeriencegoldentoast8658 my guy you are pulling crap out of your cheeks. As for the explanation you asked for, anything that approaches Gojo while his infinity is on will INFINITELY slow down, unable to ever come in contact with him. Goku does NOT have infinite speed as if that was the case Dragon Ball would be 100x shorter.
Sukuna is the reason Gojo had to change his name to Go/jo
Even if Ichigo isn't cutting infinity he would win due to Gojo getting damaged by just reiatsu. even Gin got a chunk of his arm destroyed by just touching hogyoku Aizen
Well, I do think that ichigo could get through infinity, considering that he can use gran ray cero(I'm sure you know what gran ray cero does)
@@nerooyeye2196 considering Cero distorts space, that could also perfectly work
@@ScirioBirdLover exactly, and I don't think gojo would be able to tank that. It seems like people tend to forget that something like gran ray cero exist in bleach
Don't forget Ichigo destroyed an entire Dimension on his own just from going into his Bankai during the Fullbring Arc
@@kaimobley5324 yeah, I forgot Ichigo did that
sukuna literally turned gojo into a kit kat
Goku is 4D atleast. He's negging Gojo
How will he get through infinity then
@@player-hz8ec 4D>3D
@@Lolinono6338 meaning
@@player-hz8ec Goku is 4D or higher meanwhile Gojo is 3D and higher dimensonality>Hax
@@Lolinono6338 is gojos ability hax.isnt it like space divided an infinite amount of times
Goku and Ichigo are DEFINITELY getting through infinity, its not even close fam 💀💀
What’s he gonna do punch his way thru, goku being strong got nothing to do with being infinitely slowed down trying to touch a target
@@Cynicalsinister, actually that's exactly what Goku's do 🤣🤣
Can Gojo withstand Reiatsu(Ichigo) if no hed lose easily right?
That's not the only way Ichigo can get through Infinity. He also can use Grand Ray Cero which distorts Space itself and honestly he can just cut right through it regularly as him in the Fullbring Arc literally destroyed an entire Dimension just from going into his Bankai alone
@@kaimobley5324 true Fullbring Arc was Kinda lame until the End thow
@@kaimobley5324not to mention mugetsu and his raw strength breaking hado 90 (effects/distorts space and time) from aizen
Ichigo has 4D abilities that's enough to one tap Infinity with Gojo 💀..
@@ayush8349 Chill Bro I only wanted to know if Infinity holds off Reiatsu
Btw for all the people that didn’t know domain amplification can bypass infinity
Gojo definitely loses to ichigo gojo doesn't have unlimited stamina with infinity
Not only that, buy spiritual pressure exists, and ichigo can use gran ray cero
Goku can just break the earth hes standing on 👀👀
All of them win they all outscale go/jo god I’m tired of can he get through infinity argument for the KitKat fan base
It doesn’t matter if they outscale, they literally can’t harm him💀
@@lordgameboy1303A gojo fanboy admits it
@@lordgameboy1303 like everyone in this list has something or the other to harm Gojo and it's just a single attack from them that'll take him out..
@@ayush8349do any of them have an attack capable of bypassing infinity
@@Magnificent-S everyone here outscales Gojo but to my knowledge only Asta, Goku, Ichigo and Sukuna can easily bypass infinity..
Naruto is debatable..
That yuji kuna 15 fingers is the image he would get folded
Sukuna who LITERALLY WON, Makima(she could get past infinity with Mold/sacrifice ritual could bypass it, Bang/finger gun has zero travel time, so that also does it,) Naruto with frog kata, Ichigo because HE FUCKING BROKE A DIMENSION IN THE FULLBRINGER ARC, and in bleach, if you outscale the opponent performing the hax...the hax itself gets negated, Asta negates, Goku just screams away infinity, and destroys it, and just like in bleach, if you scale higher than the opponent performing the hax...the hax gets negated all get past infinity and win here.
Honestly, since Luffy can rubberize and touch air in a way that he can run on it, he would absolutely just rubberize gojo’s infinity and then punch him with it or some shit. Plus Ryou would probably get through it since it moves into an object after the physical hit.
I think goku could do it by bypassing it with instant transmission
That’s not how that works. He needs to lock on to someone’s Ki. Even if he didn’t need to do that, he can’t go through solid objects and forces with it
@@2btqjhe can sense ki within the room of spirit and time a separate dimension from the living world. He can shatter the universe with punches and us stronger than beings who can rip through dimensions just by screaming like super buu and gotenks.
Sure, he could go behind him, but how would that bypass Inf?
@Thecor13 again he's not getting through infinity bud..idc what mental gymnastics you use it's not happening little boy
@@mrkingdrago1013 Telekinesis is a hard counter but only manga dbs Goku has this.
If we’re talking Post-Rose Meruem I think it’s a different story. He has the durability to tank most attacks Gojo has other than most likely Hollow Nuke, and let say the fights take place in an arena. Meruem has mountain level AP using Youpis rage blast and could probably destroy any arena they’re fighting in with a big blast, and as we’ve seen, explosions can bypass infinity. Gojos Hollow Nuke did damage too him, if Meruem can use full power rage blasts consistently I think he gets the win. But idk, you can argue with me if you want.
Gojo watching Goku speed blitz through infinity
Even in infinity, luffy is fine. Bro has no mind to be fried. 😂
Sukuna could be either but literally half of these mfs should be frowning
I think people forget that Gojo isn't just his Infinity. He can also heal himself to the point where he never runs out of cursed energy because he is constantly healing the part of his brain that produces it, that's how he is able to keep Infinity constantly active and constantly reactivating when it gets canceled out.
That’s not gonna help him against ichigo, Goku, Naruto or asta, who all outscale him and can get through his Infinity
Pretty sure that's only outside of battle. It was brought up in both his fight with the special grade curses where kenjaku imprisoned him and in his fight with sukuna that he can be exhausted
That doesn't how Rct work all that stuff comes from the brain if gojos brain is damaged he's not coming back
@@nehemiah7012 even Deku can bypass infinity
Nothing is saving him from one shot attack that can take out whole dimension (goku and ichigo)
the thing with ki in dragon ball is it makes it so that if someone has a drastically higher power level it cancels out someone’s ability (i.e goku moving through a timeskip, vegeta punching through top’s destruction orb) so under verse equalization his energy would just make gojo’s infinity moot
Same with Reiatsu from Bleach
Goku can bright dimensional barriers we see them through it a few times.
Asta got the anti venom symbiote equivalent to cursed energy aka the curse repellent lmfao😂😂😂😂. I imagine mahito tryna pull up to asta use his CT on him and it burns mahito to even touch him while asta saying unhand me u fiend.
Infinity works based on dividing space within a time frame so technically if ur fast enough u can get to him
Ichigo should be laughing like Kira cause one thing he didn’t mention here is that Naruto , luffy , ichigo and goku are just on another level of speed so gojo can’t catch them in the domain and even sukuna was able to overwhelm the passive infinity so it’s one punch from goku , Naruto and luffy or one slice from ichigo to turn the honored 1/2 to the demolished 1/10000
@@Holycow056-d3z Fax 😂
That’s sukuna in Yuji’s body without Maho. He’s unfortunately getting stomped
Deku might be able to he can basically one shot everybody from JJK if you’re talking about end of the verse version of him now he still can’t get through infinity, but he could just tire Gojo out and if that happens, all it will take is one punch
Also, Goku can get through infinity because he could just use Hakai
Who let bro cook 😂😂😂
imagine thinking goku can’t cut through infinity, a lower cosmology ability lmao, even krillin could
Its over when luffy pulls out airhead
Its crazy how infinity carries him hard against other verses seeing how he gets outscales by almost everyone here on this list
Midnight left out a lot of potential infinity bypassing moves.
@@langadube9611gearshift from Deku MIGHT bypass it, depending on how you take its statements, Ryou from Luffy might also bypass, Anti-Magic is 100% bypassing, and Goku and Ichigo don't even have to try, they have more then enough Ki/Reiatsu to just WALK through infinity, since both Ki/Reiatsu = Cursed Energy, so they'd just negate Infinity.
@@maryboyd8126 True, I like Midnight but sometimes I feel like his takes are more opinion then facts.
@@langadube9611 true, especially stuff like "Goku things" he uses on literally every Goku fight, which, MOST is understandable, Goku has shown to be able to be hurt by bullets, so a lot of characters could potentially hurt, or kill him if they get the drop on him, but SOME, are just down right lies.
Gojo really does get carried by infinity in most cases
The fact that asta have better a chance than ichigo and goku is hilariously laughable
"Goku things"
Someday even a normal person can beat goku if this goes on 😂
Normal people can beat Goku anyone can
... Goku has broken through Hits space time altering stop thingy, he could prooooobably take on gojo... also Goku is low multiversal in canon so he absolutely OBLITERATES gojo because gojo is only country level
ok sorry that there is no polish translation because every major company thinks we are a 5th world country. we have translation up to the 20th book, we are 7 books behind.
I’m pretty sure Goku could teleport to Gojo bypassing his infinite using instant transmission
Technically you are wrong about the sukuna part but idk if this form was when he had Mahoraga but if it wasn’t he would’ve lost as gege said im pretty sure but i think this was before gege ever said that
In Dragonballs defense, raw power cancels hax in that verse same way Jiren was able to move by overpowering the concept of time when he was frozen in time by Hit . Goku powering through infinity is very possible considering the sheer raw power difference between them.
Goku has the power to blow up the planet I just think he wouldn't even think about it
It’s official this guy is high
Gojo use the infinity in the attack:
THE SHOCKWAVE: hello
Okay bud that joke tho
Did everyone forget about narutos sage mode being able to bypass infinity 💀
This list was just "smile if I like you more than Gojo"
Ichigo kills with spirtual pressure
lol when aizen casted hado 90 kurohitsugi it was insane like a black hole and ichigo broke through it with a hand smack
idk think whatever you want but made me remember how broken ichi is : )
The funny thing about Makima. The only ability in her arsenal that could get through Infinity is her "Bang!"
When Makima points her finger at you, and says "Bang", she doesn't doesnt shoot an invisible magic bullet. The wound just...appears on you. So there wouldnt be any mass to be blocked by Infinity.
Her control ability
Well Luffy's Haki could possibly negate infinity or the projecting Haki could bypass infinity via Advanced Armament/Conquerors Haki it since Haki has no mass. or Gear 5 could toon force it.
No one ever talks a loud instant transmission or warp kamehameha to tp on gojo
Bro have you read the last dragon ball chapters? Goku in ui not only has telekinesis that can definitely get through infinity but as stated in the manga gojo controls what gets through infinity and that’s why light and air can reach him so Goku only has to “punch air real hard” or something like that
If gojo really made goku mad he might just get Zeno to erase lil bro 💀