What’s going on in Jeremiah 17:9?

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[@Tmanaz480]

What a wonderful change to see a creator with humility and respect.

[@eddieromanov]

My experience was just like hers. My recovery from my significant early mental health issues has been directly proportional to my unlearning all the stuff I learned in my IFB life.

[@IAmAlgolei]

Independent Financial Brokers of Canada?😶

[@eddieromanov]

@@IAmAlgolei Independent Fundamental Baptist. Not to be confused with New Independent Fundamental Baptists who just say the fascist stuff out loud.

[@jameschapman6559]

Thanks for your comments. My father took us from early childhood Southern Baptist to IFB in my mid teens. I did notice a little bit more racism in the IFB than in the SBC. Fortunately I escape both of those; but still have some residual baggage from the experience. The indoctrination, grooming and grifting from early childhood by Christianity, or any other religion, is some of the worst abuse for one to have to overcome.

[@eddieromanov]

@@jameschapman6559 It took me a long, long time to rebuild my entire identity from the ground up, but I did it. I’m glad I survived to see it.

[@IAmAlgolei]

@@eddieromanov 🥴 I didn't scroll down the google search page that far.

[@bungus2bungus317]

You're the best, Dan. Amazing work, informative and entertaining.

[@etraziel]

When you said "kidneys" I was like huh? I looked it up and now I'm more enlightened. Lol

[@toritori5835]

The Persians and ME/CA cultures use liver. The Persians will actually call their beloved their _jigar talâ,_ meaning golden liver. It’s like a westerner telling their beloved, “You are my heart.”

[@woolybooger7770]

So nice to see a thoughtful question answered in a video rather than responding to the usual diatribes.

[@daniellamcgee4251]

I have done many years of trauma healing, myself, mostly with the same psychologist. My former psychologist, and I, now keep in contact as friends.
One thing I know is that it is vital to stay switched on to logic and reasoning to dismantle the false beliefs..When relying on feelings to navigate our lives, without thought, it's easy to get swept up in repeating old patterns. Particularly if the habitual thinking from indoctrination isn't addressed.
Emotional responses are structured by how we think. If a person's thoughts are stuck in false indoctrination, emotional responses, gut feelings, and fedlings of intuition will be influenced by that indoctrination.
The best way to find one's authentic self is not to try to avoid progammed thinking, but to challenge it! With reasoning and logic, helped by a more objective person who has experience of such things, the structure of false beliefs can be dismantled into becoming obsolete and irrelevant to our more authentic life. Then our own intuition and gut feelings are more likely to be free of unresolved issues. But reseaoning, logic, facts and stats are still necessary, so we don't get swept up into another set of false beliefs that 'feel right' based on our past false beliefs, rather than it being true.
Without the work to address the old thoughts, Intuitive beliefs ars much more likely to be habitual, familiar, comfort zone inner feelings, rather than being reliable relevant indicators of a current perception.
Without logically thinking things through, we become vulnerable to misinformation, disinformation, propaganda, scams, including cults, etc. Reasoning and logic will help us find, and navigate the closest we can get to truth and authenticity, especially for those whose thinking and emotions were formed by false beliefs.
The best way out of false thought cages, is to break them down with logic, to set ourselves free. This is supported by neurology. Thinking literally changes the structure and chemistry of the brain.

[@harrisonshields7084]

Thank you for this! Very well said! I broke out of my childhood indoctrination at 16 years old but am still often haunted by the intuitive ghosts of that indoctrination 30 years later. It has only been through reminding myself of the logical inconsistencies of the indoctrination which caused me to break out in the first place that I have managed to keep a somewhat sane perspective on my life. You have really expressed this struggle in clearer terms than I ever have.

[@daniellamcgee4251]

@@harrisonshields7084 Thank you. That you are able to appreciate my words, and took the time to express that, means a lot to me. 😊 Writing was one of my main methods of working through my trauma, and I am a Gen. X-er, so I have had a lot of practice!
I found imagery helped, too. Seeing a mind cage becoming a trellis, as an inititial structure to grow from, helped me a lot. Also, dismantling mind cages with logic until they are completely obsolete parts, with no power at all, disintergrating to dust and blowing away. It worked for me. 😊

[@HandofOmega]

As to the quote itself Doctor James Tabor has a recent video where he breaks down the original Hebrew and finds most modern translations are a bit harsh in translating it as "deceitful". His own personal translation is that the word used is something more like confusing or twisting...

[@ChristianCarrizales]

I was about to comment on this too. Yeah in his video he says it’s more like “confusing” like you stated or “deep/complex”

[@dantallman5345]

That was awesome. I assumed that head was Always metaphorically about cognition and heart was Always about emotions, Always meaning over history. I projected this misunderstanding into how I read the OT and NT. Interesting to rethink some passages like Jeremiah 17:9.
A bit of explanation from the pulpit way back when might have been helpful (but I also suspect it might have just rolled off like water on a ducks back :).
I think the Pauline epistles emphasize head more, but that may be more about authority than it is about cognition.

[@brettmajeske3525]

Ancients thought of the brain much in the same way modern humans think of the appendix.

[@toritori5835]

I was raised in a church that followed the teachings of Bill Gothard and the Institute for basic youth conflicts. For years, I’ve been in knots over the teaching that says humans decisions are made through one’s mind, will and emotions and those three components have a hierarchy.
Then they would show this drawing of a small train with an engine, box car, then a caboose. Gothard would say that the will (turned over to God) is the engine that directs the train. The boxcar is the mind, one’s rational voice that enables learning and recollection of biblical principles so we might be obedient. Then at the very, very back is the caboose, one’s heart/emotions because “the heart is deceitful above all things.” We were taught that if you have the other two things in place, then your emotions will follow with goodness, contentment, peace and joy.
Boy, was that a load of 💩. I have seen widespread emotional damage to so many people from that rendering of the verse and that teaching. I know people who have severe PTSD because they stayed in circumstances that put their lives in danger so they could “be obedient and submit their will to the will of God” (in actuality, it was some leader). Their emotions were telling them to leave, but they made their emotions the caboose. Others I know don’t have PTSD or C-PTSD, but still have anxiety issues and get panic attacks because the continually forced themselves to do things against their emotions. Yep, they bent their will and conformed to something they did but want to do.
It’s a surprise that any of us survived.

[@Misa_Susaki]

Thank you so much for this. This particular verse is always brought up against me to discount my spiritual experiences I've had, and I always thought that was wrong.
Yet again, applying our modern context to ancient scripture is a recipe for disaster.

[@WayWalker3]

Emotions are stored in the small head.

[@roberthunter6927]

"Jeremiah was a bullfrog" :-)

[@LegendofMafty]

“The correct outfit!” 🤣
I grew up with yellow black and blue but agree.

[@Fire-Toolz]

wow this one was amazing

[@Curious68]

Thank you

[@pepperberry]

I liked that one! That was a great video.

[@lnsflare1]

Emotions are stored in the balls.

[@codyrhodes1344]

That made me laugh. You might need to release those emotions.

[@tussk.]

@@codyrhodes1344 no, thats brains

[@codyrhodes1344]

@@tussk. Some brain is good for everyone.

[@waynefeller]

So… women do not have emotions?

[@lnsflare1]

@@waynefeller Balls are stored in the heart.

[@jasonvahl9770]

Dan, I still have hope we'll see a brown suit in this movie! They wouldn't burn us like that, right?! X-Men digs are cool and all, but....gimme Alpha Flight Wolverine any day!

[@SterlingTate]

Yes but then we have God looks upon the heart and not the outward appearance. so obviously it's not always deceitful. someone will inevitably say, if it's not aligned with God then it is deceitful. then you go round and round with other theological implications.

[@robertbrowne7880]

I keep wondering if DC is Old Testament and Marvel New Testament.

[@gilbertalvarado5101]

It’s interesting that even when the brain was recognized as significant the emotions still went to the heart even though they are also in the brain.

[@brettmajeske3525]

One could argue they are actually in the blood. Many emotions seems to be more chemical/hormonal interactions throughout the body while thoughts are restricted to the nervous system.

[@gilbertalvarado5101]

@@brettmajeske3525 they could argue the blood has an influence but how could you even contemplate/express the emotion with the brain. Without the brain there is no functionality.

[@treystevenson9872]

1st Corinthians 2:11-14,”For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”

[@Geminous1]

Very well! I have been able to spend more time with Dan's past videos and have found some excellent material concerning deities, gods, etc. And the many book references are also most helpful. Any new and additional information will always be most welcomed! As a practicing polytheist I am keenly interested in the idea of deity in the old and new testaments as well as the Koran. How many references to different deities exist in the old, then the new testaments? The Islamic injunction of LaillahillaL A often translates as “there are/is no god(s) except Allah.” The Arabic however is profound as it lends itself to also mean “there are many gods but Allah is the supreme and the only god worthy of worship.” Allah is seen as Yahweh. I am keen to know if the old and new testaments as well as the Koran actually affirm the existence of other gods other than Yahweh, either by reference, inference or by actual name. I am indebted to Your helpful knowledge.

[@lysanamcmillan7972]

I recall Dan has a video or two about this already. One's title is something like "Why the Bible is not monotheistic." Others discuss the hierarchy of gods in Canaanite Paganism which Judaism developed from and how it remains intact in one or two sections of the OT.

[@Geminous1]

@@lysanamcmillan7972 Thanks for these references which I have looked up and now watched. But I would still love a big and through analysis of all the deities in the OT, NT and Koran from Dan.

[@4everseekingwisdom690]

So they agreed with the (very correct) Egyptian idea of the heart being what's important? Interesting and at least from an occult view as I said very correct

[@johnrichardson7629]

Once again, the earlobes get short schrift. When will we learn?

[@brettmajeske3525]

Ah, the true seat of conscious, as explained in the greatest scriptural work, Puff the Magic Dragon.

[@daniellamcgee4251]

@@johnrichardson7629 I think Carol Burnett knew! At the end of every show she would tug her earlobe as a message to her grandmother.

[@danjohnston9037]

The Vulcans Were Right 🖖

[@lennierofthethirdfaneofchu7286]

“Logic is like a wreath of pretty flowers that smell bad”

[@chameleonx9253]

I would argue that Spock is right, but Vulcans in general are wrong.

[@ArkadiBolschek]

Surak did nothing wrong

[@katielewis6083]

Heresy! Blue and Yellow is his One True Suit!

[@ArkadiBolschek]

Splitter!!!

[@katielewis6083]

@@ArkadiBolschek Debate me you cowards!

[@SunnyAquamarine2]

That truly was an excellent question! Does it get to the heart of your intelligence and studies to enlighten you to not override your God-given inner voice asking you to look again at prophetes?

[@perrywilliams5407]

Oh, Dr. Dan, you and your Wolverine dogma! 🤣🤣 Seriously, though, great content. Excellent scholarship.

[@Jaymastia]

This is very good. No notes

[@clifb.3521]

When is there going to be a LILO & STITCH incoming?

[@2023betterresearch]

LOL, can you help me understand TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY! 🤣🤣🤣

[@Isovapor]

What’s going on in the second chapter 3rd paragraph in the book of Cinderella? Let’s hear it!

[@Set666Abominae]

Just as a small side point: I would recommend getting rid of the “stitch incoming” message (although not the no harassment bit) when it’s on a video that’s responding to questions like this. It makes the initial impression that you’re about to dunk on someone, rather than engage in a genuine conversation. Of course, that message works brilliantly when brining Biblical literalists down a few pegs!

[@icollectstories5702]

I would assume stitching is neutral. But I do not talk tick.

[@tramberg1972]

This sums up the crossing of the red sea, which symbolizes the emotions and such. To get back to the Father/head/resh/Aries.

[@Dice_roller]

Making connections that aren't there.

[@tramberg1972]

@@Dice_roller to those who don't know the four fold nature of man, sure. Mental, Physical, Emotional and Spiritual.
The Bible is a stand alone document that conceals squaring the circle, no other writings conceal this action of alchemy.
And you're right, the Bible has nothing at all to do with earth water air fire and spirit, or quintessence...has nothing to do with any ancient theology of bringing heaven to earth.
Well except that one time Jesus healed the blind man by mixing earth and water, and lifted it up to anoint the eyes, and he came away seeing. That was just magic.
How stupid of me to make those connections.

[@tramberg1972]

@UCPTfRsjm3luziFK6yUPe8ew Sorta, inward and upward, PRIVATELY.
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret;...Pray ye therefore in this manner, Our Father who art in heaven... Aries, the Ancient Lamb that takes away the sin of the world (Canon 82 Council of Trullo) was replaced with the image of a man.
If you lookup the word head in Greek it's κεφαλή, kephalē. One of the definitions is cornerstone.Metaphorically, anything supreme, chief, prominent; of persons, master, lord:((From Homer down.))

[@tramberg1972]

Did you really delete my reply?

[@ant1010]

The Heart and stomach do contain brain cells

[@WhichDoctor1]

I never understood how ancient people could consider the head to be unimportant to thought. Like, they must have all experienced being hit in the head and having their thoughts get muddled, or getting completely knocked out. In a way no blow to the chest can do. Not to mention peoples personalities being changed after serious head injuries. How do you see and personally experience how important the head is to consciousness and thought and personality, and then conclude that’s it’s irrelevant ?

or how modern people think the heart is the source of emotion

[@ArkadiBolschek]

If I recall correctly, the reasoning was that people could often survive injures to the head, and certain creatures could even survive without a head, whereas heart injuries were always fatal. They thought the brain had a function in regulating body temperature or something like that (?), and if that function failed it could cause damage to other organs, including your heart, leading to memory loss and other effects associated with brain damage.

[@heckinbasedandinkpilledoct7459]

@@ArkadiBolschekbasically this

[@heckinbasedandinkpilledoct7459]

@@ArkadiBolschekalso, I forgot to mention there was a man who survived a spike through his forehead, which would be impossible for the heart

[@CB66941]

Silly question but, how do we contact Dan to ask questions? Tiktok or is there other means of doing so?

[@AMoniqueOcampo]

So Augustine's quote about our hearts being restless until they rest in God came from the Bible.

[@stuartdavidson162]

What's the best way to get a question over to you Dan? :)

[@roytee3127]

Does modern English make a three-tiered distinction - head, heart, and gut? "Gut feelings " seem to be more intuituve than the emotions of the "heart".

[@DorseyBourrage]

Dan McClellan, I have a huge question. Should I just go learn Hebrew, Aramaic, and Koine Greek in order to actually learn the truth? I am a young Christian and my goal is to read the entire KJV because that is what I was raised up on. However, I understand KJV is only a translation of the original text. Should I go on the journey of learning Greek and the other two languages in order to study the Bible within its actual truth?

[@ArkadiBolschek]

His "correct" outfit, according to what? The Tanakh, or the New Testament? >_>

[@daniellamcgee4251]

Exactly. These are the questions we need to be asking. It's important to question the origin of opinions.

[@DerekDominoes]

Can someone enlighten me as to why Dan prefers to pronounce YHWH as Adonai instead of Yahweh?

[@AurorXZ]

Evidently some practicing Jews had an issue with him pronouncing the historical name, so he's opted to use Adonai when referencing the deity as a sign of respect in public-facing work.

[@brock2k1]

What kind of person goes to the trouble of making a video to ask a scholar a question, and can't be bothered to even give him the verse she's asking about? "oh, it goes something like this..."

[@henryschmit3340]

Since we are decietful, we also decieve ourselves, so don't trust yourself more than you trust God. God knows far more about us than we do.

[@waynefeller]

Which god? And if we do not trust ourselves, how do we discern what god is saying?

[@NWPaul72]

​@@waynefellerfailure to use good judgement can lead to bad outcomes. However, "Judge not lest ye be judged." It's like how a creator could make something exactly to his design then torture it for how it was made.

[@ArkadiBolschek]

I _guess_ I can trust God, yeah. I just don't trust anyone that claims to speak in God's name, and neither should you.

[@daniellamcgee4251]

​@@ArkadiBolschekHow can you trust yourself that it is really God you are knowing and trusting? Why is your knowing of God more valid and trustworthy, compared to anyone else's capacity to know God?

[@ArkadiBolschek]

@@daniellamcgee4251 No, no, no, don't get me wrong. I'm aware that I know nothing about God: that's why I'm suspicious of the people who come claiming to know him. Especially when they tend to say such wildly different things that can't all be true at the same time.

[@4everseekingwisdom690]

So they agreed with the (very correct) Egyptian idea of the heart being what's important? Interesting and at least from an occult view as I said very correct