Hello Daniel, thanks so much for this intelligent and articulate analysis. Philip Stone was my dad, and he would have been really thrilled with this tribute I think.
Philip Stone and Joe Turkel are two of the most underrated actors of all time. Nobody talks about them and because of that, they were able to exemplify how villains can hide in plain sight without drawing attention to themselves. I'd say that Turkel's the more versatile of the two (no disrespect to your father) because the role he played in Paths of Glory was completely different from the roles he played in The Shining and Blade Runner but Stone seemed to have a strange kind of character arc throughout Kubrick's filmography.
It is full of detail too. First, there is the fact Jack stands before a mirror and he and Grady mirror one another, but notice the coulor pallet in the scene too. Red echoes the river of blood, but it's also the same pallet we see when Dr Floyd and co arrive on the moon in 2001.
I love the two bathroom scenes in The Shining, I also love the bathroom scene in Full Metal Jacket, as well as the bathroom scene in A Clockwork Orange. Oh, let's not forget the bathroom scene in Eyes Wide Shut, the bathroom scene in Lolita, and also the bathroom scene in Spartacus. Not to mention the bathroom scene in Dr. Strangelove (despite the camera never actually going inside the bathroom), the "bathroom" scene in Barry Lyndon (it is a room with a bath, after all), and a bathroom is also an integral part and for some reason a subject that Kubrick focused on in the very final sequence of 2001: A Space Odyssey (and a "zero gravity bathroom" appears in the middle of the film as well). Whew! The guy sure loved bathrooms.
I never truly realised the importance of Phillip Stone in The Shining. Normality being used so menacingly through Stone is really incredible and horrifying.
This is kind of why I hate it when movies solely cast big names, it takes away of the believability of the scenes because it's a face we've seen so many times before in so many other places that it breaks the immersion in some ways.
When it comes to the Shining, Joe Turkel had a great entrance indeed. I just love the fact that Philip Stone doesn't blink...creepy. Both did a great job and managed to creep you out a bit without any jumpscares or transforming into a CGI ghost. Just cold and simple.
To my knowledge, in sound cinema, Bela Lugosi first used the technique of not blinking in "Dracula." I don't know if it was Browning, Freund, or Lugosi himself who came up with that idea. My guess is cinematographer Freund. I don't think Lugosi would have been able to maintain that stare while performing the character previously on the Broadway stage, so it probably never occurred to him to do that for the camera. But that's all pure conjecture..
Stone's transition from bumbling to menacing was the best transition I ever saw until Christof Waltz's change from friendly to menace in just one glance in the opening scene of Inglorious Basterds.
Brilliant comparison. With Stone , it was done with holding his posture, stock still and the lead in: "I'm sorry to differ with you sir...but you've always been the caretaker...I should know, because I've always been here...". With the same deep, guttural emphasis on "always" in each clause. Thereafter he is still stock still, unblinking, holding eye contact and perfectly enunciating his words with English, received pronunciation - utterly chilling. Waltz achieved the same with just the subtlest change of expression - from affable, almost friendly bureaucrat to stone cold, industrial killer: "You're sheltering enemies of the state are you not?" Both relied on the direction. Camera angles in Stone's case and the inane, bureaucratic dialogue-preamble-to-extreme-violence which is a Tarantino hallmark, and which Waltz exploited beautifully.
I lived in West London and saw Philip Stone on the street several times. Each time I just nodded my recognition to the man and each time he acknowledged me. No one the street recognised this 'famous' character actor a testament to his anonymity. I did not realise that Joe Turkel was in so many Kubrick films let alone was in blade runner. Excellent video
Love this look into character actors that beat severely overlooked. We always look at actors with big names but we forget how important supporting cast is. Less than a week Dan and you’ve released two hits in a row
These actors had to have a lot of intellect in order to understand Kubrick's ambiguous intentions and translate them into these minimalistic performances. Peter Sellers' performance in Being There is for me quintessentially Kubrickian for that same minimalism employed in all of Kubrick's films.
The bartender from The Shining didn't creep me out. I find him to be strange but the Grady character was indeed creepy. First he's all nice and chatty then all of the sudden he went creepy mode. He stands there and stares right at you. The way Philip Stone enunciates the word "corrected" was downright chilling!.
It was the bathroom scene in The Shining when i discovered how great an actor Phillip Stone was. Credit to Nicholson and Kubrick too, of course, for making this the most amazing power dynamic shift scene I’ve ever seen in the movies.
Philip Stone was a treasure. His subtle yet sudden and complete transformation from affable, self-effacing English butler to the embodiment of the hotel's evil is a true (and terrifying) wonder to behold.
I just watched your Kubrick’s books video and came here after watching. Both are fantastic analyses and I’m looking forward to seeing more. Great work.
very good actors, working w/ very good directors, prevent you from noticing them in different roles .I watch reruns of GUNSMOKE a lot, and the same character actors are used frequently, but they're too busy being good for you to notice "this guy played an indian in another episode, and now he's playing a Cavalry officer out to kill Indians." John Dehner is in so many episodes ,I just notice how convincing he is, not how prolific. excuse me if I digress.
Pat Roach also played twice in a Kubrick movie: as a bouncer in A Clockwork Orange and a second time as Mr. Toole in Barry Lyndon, the big guy that Barry fights fist to fist. He wasn't a big actor back then, but i still found it noteable.
@@cooljackster7390 Pat was in all of the original Indiana Jones trilogy. He's the big guy that gets his head crushed by the rock crusher in Temple of Doom and he's on the Zeppelin in Last Crusade but I think his fight scene was cut out of the film. Pat was a wrestler and stunt man and was in other films like Clash of the Titans and Never say never again.
You are seriously (like, SERIOUSLY), the most underrated film channel I’ve had the pleasure to stumble upon. I’ve watched quite a few of your videos over the past few days, and each one is just great. Keep up the stellar work!
For Kubrick's films, they surely shine (yup) through the performances of his character roles, and he definitely knows the talent these actors are, not blinded by the stars.
Can we also just take a moment to appreciate the other recurring cast member of all Kubrick movies and that is his usage of liminal space. His mastery of filling the frame with an unconscious feeling of the sinister. He mastered this technique in the shining, 2001 and also the recruits barracks and destroyed city in Full Metal Jacket. The grand master, he is gone but will never be forgotten. This little doco was great btw. Really enjoyed it!
And funnily enough both Joe Turkel and Philip Stone featured in fairly prominent supporting roles in Harrison Ford films within 2 years of each other: Turkel as Tyrell in Blade Runner in '82 (as the vid mentions) and Stone as the English general at the Prince's banquet in Temple of Doom (Pat Roach who was in A Clockwork Orange and Barry Lyndon also shows up in ToD [as well as in Raiders and Last Crusade]). Just another random connection!
A Peter Sellers biographer once said that Stanley Kubrick would have loved to have worked with Sellers again and apparently would have wanted to cast him in Eyes Wide Shut. Not sure exactly which part Kubrick could have seen him play right off hand, but it would seem Sellers was someone he not only admired and respected, but just liked quite a bit. It’s a shame Sellers died at age 54 in 1980. I can only imagine what all he could have done had he lived longer. Maybe Sellers and Kubrick would have worked together again. That would have been great.
@@EyebrowCinema seeing Sellers in that film would have defiantly been a change of pace for him. Of course, had he not died in 1980, his career could have taken a turn and he could have been in some more dramatic roles throughout that decade, as Being There showed he could be quite serious as an actor, all while showcasing his comedic talent at the same time. Peter Sellers and Stanley Kubrick we’re both talented people who passed away too soon.
My brother didn't care for The Shining at first. When I watched it with him, he even tried to switch it off before it was over. But I... corrected him, sir. And when my mother tried to prevent me from doing my duty, I... corrected her.
Joe Turkel is awesome. He’s a world war 2 vet. I was lucky enough to have lunch with him and he is very proud of Paths of Glory. In his opinion the best film and he was lucky enough to be in it. I think his performance in Paths of Glory was captivating but , not as much so as in The Shining. He rehearsed for a month for the Shining and rung out the sweat out of his clothes every day of shooting as the lights got very warm. Stanley, Jack, and Joe big Yankee fans talked about baseball when they weren’t talking about the film. Joe Turkel is a very nice person but doesn’t put up with nonsense. Ridley Scott asked him about how Kubrick would direct a scene because he knew he worked with him three times before. Joe though Ridley was doing an awesome job and told him to keep doing what he was doing. I work as background actor from time to time and Joe never really gave me advice on acting. I guess he figured if I want it bad enough I’ll get there on my own and everyone is different.
Thank you for highlighting these two actors as I have always admired their contributions to film. I especially like Philip Stone as he was great in Kubrick's films and even his appearance on TV like Coronation Street in the 60s.
Note that Philip Stone also worked back-to-back with Malcolm McDowell - after A Clockwork Orange he featured in the second part of the Mick Travis trilogy, the brilliant O Lucky Man! Ofc it was part one of this trilogy, if...., that caused McDowell to be cast by Kubrick in A Clockwork Orange.
I've seen a lot of videos on Kubrick, but this one is actually informing me about something I'd never noticed before. Yes, I knew Leonard Rossiter had appeared in 2 great Kubrick movies as had Peter Sellars, but I'd never considered Joe Turkel or Philip Stone until you brought them up. In fact, so good were Turkel and Stone in all their respective roles, I'd never given them the appreciation they rightly deserved until you highlighted it. Bravo, excellent video and commentary. I'll now check out more of your work.
Another great video as usual. It doesn't fit your 3-film rubric, but his use of Leonard Rossiter in 2001 then Barry Lyndon is also an interesting example. At first a slightly sinister Russian diplomat whose questions create plot intrigue. Then an English captain who serves the same purpose as a plot instigator, but as a far richer, bombastic character.
@@EyebrowCinema Rossiter had built up a big reputation as a sitcom actor, especially by the time he appeared in Barry Lyndon, but he was capable of much more and Kubrick saw that whilst most directors might write him off as a comedic actor.
His use of those two has always been so intriguing to me. I know Turkel and him are old friends he even has a great lecture about their life stories on UA-cam
Being as smart as he was, Kubrick most definitely chose these two for their sympathetic abilities. Kubrick sought contrast, and with these two fellows, gave us exactly that!
Kubrick's ability to convey that a given character is dangerous is amazing and the Stone scene is one of his best efforts. I remember straining to see the waiter's face when I first saw it. I feel like the Ripper scenes in Strangelove are up there. Hayden was frightening.
Another great video! Not bad for someone who "isn't a filmmaker." I knew about Turkel and Stone, but not Vivian! Ahh. Vivian. The problem child. Actually, her estrangement from her family is quite sad. And I'm told Tom Cruise had nothing to do with it. I hope that's true.
I actually didn't know about Vivian's behaviour of late until I started working on this video. I'm not sure what the backstory is there, but it is indeed quite sad.
@@EyebrowCinema Evidently her mother doesn't even know how she got into Scientology. From all accounts she's brilliant like her father, but has chosen a path only she understands. I've experienced something very similar to this in my personal life, and it's like losing a family member.
Fun fact: the one person who's been in the most Kubrick films is his daughter Vivian, who was in four of them. However, these were uncredited bit roles (though she did get a speaking part as Floyd's daughter in "2001").
Nobody ever talks about the avocat stain Jack's hand leaves on Grady's jacket. If we assume that every noticeable detail in Kubrick's movies was intentional, what purpose does it serve? Grady goes from a submissive butler with the personality of Stone's previous characters, to a presence of command and control over Jack. You get misdirected, then you find out who really wears the pants in that bathroom. Brilliant.
funny enough Vivian Kubrick played in more of his movies then anybody else. she was in 4 of his films. in 2001: a space odessey as the little daughter, Barry Landon as party guest, The Shining as another party guest and full metal jacket as the news reporter.
Anonymous character actors?! Not too people in the UK :-) Leonard Rossiter was a household name, actor in sitcoms such as Rising Damp and Reginald Perrin. Even Anthony Sharpe (the government minister in Clockwork) was quite a well known face. Excellent channel by the way.
Thanks for posting this, I found it very thought provoking. Although I always thought that Philip Stone was used in the Shining because of the he is the exact opposite of the father he portrayed in CO. It seemed Kubrick focused a lot on 3 member families and their relationships. Lotita, CO, BL and EWS. Great work again.
I appreciate this particular essay. I was born in 1958 and I was a little too young to see and appreciate Paths of Glory when it came out. I was 11 when I came to see 2001: A Space Odyssey. From then on absorbed everything Kubrick. And I quickly became conscious of these two actors you feature. About the only thing that would’ve made Joe Turkel‘s performance more insidious Would have been directed to look squarely back into the camera lens is Jack Nicholson does in the gold room scene.
The enormous thick glasses Joe wears as Eldon Tyrrell in Bladerunner, only 2 years later than The Shining, sure made him look older and like a different person. Been awhile but didn't remember him as the hotel bartender at all!
good vid- but excuse me- leonard rossiter is not 'anonymous', in the UK the guy was a house hold name pretty much / a tv star, he was a brilliantly funny comic actor.
While I was growing up in the 1980s, one of our local Kentucky television stations bought "The Fall and Rise of Reginald Perrin" and showed an episode each weeknight. I absolutely love him.
Vivian and Leon Vitali also had a bit part at the beginning of The Shining as a couple leaving the hotel on closing day - note the clothes they wear in the Making of documentary.
I rewatched the Shining scene with Philip Stone and even there he's still a bit reserved and respectful. When he tells Jack about Danny and Wendy and how they need ''correcting'' he says something like, ''if I could be so bold, sir.'' His demeanor is very menacing but his language is still careful and mild. Even the choice of the word ''correcting'' fits with his demeanor from the past films. So interesting the actor had some what of a character arc and still subtly holds traits from early films.
From Kirk Douglas' autobiography "The Ragman's Son": I met the director, Stanley Kubrick. He said he had a script called PATHS OF GLORY. I read the script and fell in love with it. "Stanley, I don't think this picture will ever make a nickel, but we HAVE to make it." I got financing. It wasn't easy. When I arrived in Munich, I was greeted with a completely rewritten script. "Stanley, did you write this?" "Yes." "Stanley, why would you do that?" He very calmly said, "To make it commercial. I want to make money." I hit the ceiling. "You come to me with a script. I love THAT script. I got the money, based on THAT script. Not this shit!" I threw the script across the room. "We're going back to the original script, or we're not making the picture."
Can't believe you called Leonard Rossiter and Timothy Carey "anonymous". Rossiter was one of Britain's most beloved comic actors, while Carey was one of the great American character actors of the 50s 60s and 70s.
I wanted to include footage of her in the video but it was basically impossible to get a clean shot of just her in either film (but especially in 2001 where she's always part of a larger ensemble blocking).
I stupidly listened to critics of The Shining and didn’t watch it til years later. I was transfixed, freaked out and blown away (how’s that for a list of adjectives?) esp by the appearance of Lloyd in the seemingly empty Overlook. Under appreciated movie in its time.
I saw The Shining projected with an audience in 2021 and the bathroom scene was incredible. Its very funny until Stone utters a line - you probably know the one - and the shock that descended over that theater was palpable, followed by the slow tightening of the screws. Terrifying. Also, when viewed in a theater, the light up panels behind Grady and Joe bounce pure projector light back into your eyeballs and as a result you strain to make out their faces. its stressful.
Was it was a bunch of politically correct weaklings clutching their pearls when Grady used a certain N word? That is terrifying to this current generation because they're so paranoid about offending people.
..or are they? Look closer the next time you watch those scenes. As Jack walks down the corridor to the Gold Room, he convulses as he passes each mirror on the wall. He can't bare the sight of himself. Both conversations happen in front of mirrors. Jack isn't seeing ghosts, he's basically addressing his own reflection. Nice little detail to watch out for the next time ;)
Joe Turkel is the coolest guy, met him at a con, we were talking and I moved sideways, looking at the photos on his table. He replied, " If you walk away I'll kill you!" We became instant friends. He ended up buying one of my knives, told me, " Yeah, all these politicians and scumbags, nobody's gonna remember them but you and me, we're artists! We'll leave this world a better place!" I heartily agreed, lol.
I saw Joe Turkel at a horror con in Long Beach, CA about 7-8 years ago. I've been well aware of him and his place in Kubrick Canon since the early 90s at least. I had just finished buying Joe Pilato's autograph on a 'Day of the Dead poster(nice guy, took a pic w him and good convo). I looked up and Mr Turkel was looking directly at me with his intelligent gaze! Sadly, couldn't afford to buy his autograph after Pilato's. But no joke, his gaze was inviting me to approach him. It's almost like he knew I knew who he was! All I could do was smile and nod approvingly. I didn't feel right just talking to him without buying his auto.. well, that ship has sailed now... famous/ unknown rich, poor they are all equal now...
Vivian Kubrick 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) Squirt - Floyd's Daughter (uncredited) Barry Lyndon (1975) Magic Show Spectator (uncredited) The Shining (1980) Smoking Guest on Ballroom Couch (uncredited) Full Metal Jacket(1987) News Camera Operator at Mass Grave (uncredited)
I always like to say if a director doesn't use the same actors alot it can usually be a sign that their a pain in the ass to work with. Stanley Kubrick, despite being debatably the best director who ever lived, is a shining example of this.
Thankfully the most horribly treated talent Kubrick ever had was Shelley Duvall. In the decades since, she has praised him, even through his abrasive and harsh directing style.
My brother was venting to me about his son, my nephew. Neph has behavioral issues affecting his education as I did growing up. I jokingly asked why doesn't he try "correcting" him. My bro instantly got the reference 🤣 said he'd tried but it didn't work...😂
another great examination of aspects of Kubrick's methods. like many directors, he prefers certain actors. just to name 3 films, 2001:,'AClockwork orange' and 'the Shining', I'd like to mention things I pick up. he always got those eerie hushed conversations between 2 or more people, like in the men's room, where it's evident that there underlies a serious problem, while Jack and the butler converse. and on the ship in 2001: where the passengers are trying in vain to get the American officer to reveal the ''under '' story, as there is a ''cover" story he mentions in private meetings. and Alex in 'Clockwork', w/ the preacher in the library stacks, where Alex tries to con him, and he's not really getting anywhere. the preacher isn't so naive. but Alex does get to participate in the 'study' which eventually takes his aggression away. and the Astronauts in the pod, when they think HAL 9000 isn't detecting what they're saying. there's always something at stake when these people are talking in hushed tones. and the colors .red against white that's in the men's room in 'the shining' is similar to when the cops knock Alex around ,and the white wall in the police station catches some of his blood. Kubrick has these weird devices that repeat themselves. and when Alex turns gentle against his will, he runs into his old gang, which are now ''enforcing" the law as cops, they pound him w/ clubs rapidly, the same way the ape in 2001: assaults his victims w/ his new found weapon, a bone. quick smacks to the body again. pow, pow, pow. pow, pow, pow. and of course, ''Doc'' w/ scat man in the kitchen. eerie conversation. just sayin'. .
Not sure if it's mentioned in the comments, but the man who assists Jack in the bathroom is named Dilbert Grady. The man we are told murdered his young daughters (not actually twins BTW) is Charles Grady (perhaps the son of Dilbert?).
His work with Frank Silvera in Fear & Desire and Killer's Kiss is worth noting historically. To my knowledge, it is the earliest instance of a black actor cast in a lead/principle role where race is not the focus or even mentioned!
Peter Sellers, George C. Scott, Sterling Hayden, Slim Pickens, Peter Bull -- all rendered amazing performances in "Dr. Strangelove." Kirk Douglas IS "Spartacus!"
Hello Daniel, thanks so much for this intelligent and articulate analysis. Philip Stone was my dad, and he would have been really thrilled with this tribute I think.
Blessings to you and your family. Your father was a such a brilliant actor!
Philip Stone and Joe Turkel are two of the most underrated actors of all time. Nobody talks about them and because of that, they were able to exemplify how villains can hide in plain sight without drawing attention to themselves. I'd say that Turkel's the more versatile of the two (no disrespect to your father) because the role he played in Paths of Glory was completely different from the roles he played in The Shining and Blade Runner but Stone seemed to have a strange kind of character arc throughout Kubrick's filmography.
Love his work the red bathroom scene in the shining was stunning god bless
I somehow missed this comment when you first posted but I am tremendously touched by your kind words here. Thank you so much.
Brilliant acting! Went from happy go lucky waiter, to I’m gonna rip your heart out of your chest so smoothly!
let’s not forget his assistant Leon Vitali. He did everything for kubrick; editing, acting, casting, etc.
The goat. Love his performance in Barry Lyndon too.
@@EyebrowCinema yeah i was really surprised when i found out he was in Eyes Wide Shut as the man in the red cloak.
his performance in Barry Lyndon is one of my all time favourites
@Karl Zaraiva I was just about to mention that film. I could live twice and still not put the hours Vitali put in as Kubrick's assistant.
@Karl Zaraiva The man looks like he has lived two lifetimes mind you!
The bathroom scene in The Shining is utterly brilliant.
One of my favorite scenes in any film.
It is full of detail too. First, there is the fact Jack stands before a mirror and he and Grady mirror one another, but notice the coulor pallet in the scene too. Red echoes the river of blood, but it's also the same pallet we see when Dr Floyd and co arrive on the moon in 2001.
I love the two bathroom scenes in The Shining, I also love the bathroom scene in Full Metal Jacket, as well as the bathroom scene in A Clockwork Orange. Oh, let's not forget the bathroom scene in Eyes Wide Shut, the bathroom scene in Lolita, and also the bathroom scene in Spartacus. Not to mention the bathroom scene in Dr. Strangelove (despite the camera never actually going inside the bathroom), the "bathroom" scene in Barry Lyndon (it is a room with a bath, after all), and a bathroom is also an integral part and for some reason a subject that Kubrick focused on in the very final sequence of 2001: A Space Odyssey (and a "zero gravity bathroom" appears in the middle of the film as well). Whew! The guy sure loved bathrooms.
one of the most nuanced and devastating scenes out there, very true ... the scenes at the bar are obviously huge as well
I never truly realised the importance of Phillip Stone in The Shining. Normality being used so menacingly through Stone is really incredible and horrifying.
Realizing it's the same actor who took on such unassuming roles elsewhere for Kubrick really solidified that for me.
This is kind of why I hate it when movies solely cast big names, it takes away of the believability of the scenes because it's a face we've seen so many times before in so many other places that it breaks the immersion in some ways.
well put
When it comes to the Shining, Joe Turkel had a great entrance indeed. I just love the fact that Philip Stone doesn't blink...creepy. Both did a great job and managed to creep you out a bit without any jumpscares or transforming into a CGI ghost. Just cold and simple.
To my knowledge, in sound cinema, Bela Lugosi first used the technique of not blinking in "Dracula." I don't know if it was Browning, Freund, or Lugosi himself who came up with that idea. My guess is cinematographer Freund. I don't think Lugosi would have been able to maintain that stare while performing the character previously on the Broadway stage, so it probably never occurred to him to do that for the camera. But that's all pure conjecture..
Much of their creepiness is mere suggestion. It's wonderful.
Well said.
I realized how amazing Philip Stone was in that film, didn't he appear in more movies?
Didn’t the actor John Irving inspire Dracula and Lugosi’s performance?
Since I saw The Shining, I've been using the euphemism "corrected" when talking about house pests.
I really hope you trill your tongue when pronouncing it.
Stone's transition from bumbling to menacing was the best transition I ever saw until Christof Waltz's change from friendly to menace in just one glance in the opening scene of Inglorious Basterds.
Brilliant comparison.
With Stone , it was done with holding his posture, stock still and the lead in: "I'm sorry to differ with you sir...but you've always been the caretaker...I should know, because I've always been here...". With the same deep, guttural emphasis on "always" in each clause. Thereafter he is still stock still, unblinking, holding eye contact and perfectly enunciating his words with English, received pronunciation - utterly chilling.
Waltz achieved the same with just the subtlest change of expression - from affable, almost friendly bureaucrat to stone cold, industrial killer: "You're sheltering enemies of the state are you not?"
Both relied on the direction. Camera angles in Stone's case and the inane, bureaucratic dialogue-preamble-to-extreme-violence which is a Tarantino hallmark, and which Waltz exploited beautifully.
thought he was the perfect villain
I loved Joe Turkel's role in Paths of Glory actually. He's so compelling with so little
I don't think anyone was better at casting than Kubrick
He's very good. His desperation his so palpable.
Turkel was also good in Blade Runner, makes appearances in many classics, The Sand Pebbles, Saint Valentines Day Massacre, King Rat........
Scorsese.
I lived in West London and saw Philip Stone on the street several times. Each time I just nodded my recognition to the man and each time he acknowledged me. No one the street recognised this 'famous' character actor a testament to his anonymity.
I did not realise that Joe Turkel was in so many Kubrick films let alone was in blade runner. Excellent video
That's awesome, Dave, and thank you for your kind words.
Love this look into character actors that beat severely overlooked. We always look at actors with big names but we forget how important supporting cast is. Less than a week Dan and you’ve released two hits in a row
Thank you, Matt. Cheers.
These actors had to have a lot of intellect in order to understand Kubrick's ambiguous intentions and translate them into these minimalistic performances. Peter Sellers' performance in Being There is for me quintessentially Kubrickian for that same minimalism employed in all of Kubrick's films.
The bartender from The Shining didn't creep me out. I find him to be strange but the Grady character was indeed creepy. First he's all nice and chatty then all of the sudden he went creepy mode. He stands there and stares right at you. The way Philip Stone enunciates the word "corrected" was downright chilling!.
It was the bathroom scene in The Shining when i discovered how great an actor Phillip Stone was. Credit to Nicholson and Kubrick too, of course, for making this the most amazing power dynamic shift scene I’ve ever seen in the movies.
Philip Stone was a treasure. His subtle yet sudden and complete transformation from affable, self-effacing English butler to the embodiment of the hotel's evil is a true (and terrifying) wonder to behold.
I just watched your Kubrick’s books video and came here after watching. Both are fantastic analyses and I’m looking forward to seeing more. Great work.
I can’t believe I didn’t notice Alex’s dad was the caretaker!
He wasn't the caretaker, Jack Torrance was always the caretaker ;)
very good actors, working w/ very good directors, prevent you from noticing them in different roles .I watch reruns of GUNSMOKE a lot, and the same character actors are used frequently, but they're too busy being good for you to notice "this guy played an indian in another episode, and now he's playing a Cavalry officer out to kill Indians." John Dehner is in so many episodes ,I just notice how convincing he is, not how prolific. excuse me if I digress.
If I may be so bold, you need to be corrected, sir.
"I corrected them". I love content on Kubrick, especially when it's as rich as this great video pal, much appreciated thank you.
Pat Roach also played twice in a Kubrick movie: as a bouncer in A Clockwork Orange and a second time as Mr. Toole in Barry Lyndon, the big guy that Barry fights fist to fist. He wasn't a big actor back then, but i still found it noteable.
Nice addition.
Wasn’t he the bald strong guy who fought Indian Jones in Raiders of the Lost Ark?
@@cooljackster7390 Yeah, the one with the moustache that got his brains chopped out by the plane.
@@cooljackster7390 Pat was in all of the original Indiana Jones trilogy. He's the big guy that gets his head crushed by the rock crusher in Temple of Doom and he's on the Zeppelin in Last Crusade but I think his fight scene was cut out of the film. Pat was a wrestler and stunt man and was in other films like Clash of the Titans and Never say never again.
@@jonathanshaw1982 damn what a legendary career
You are seriously (like, SERIOUSLY), the most underrated film channel I’ve had the pleasure to stumble upon. I’ve watched quite a few of your videos over the past few days, and each one is just great. Keep up the stellar work!
Very kind of you to say, Lewis. I appreciate that :)
For Kubrick's films, they surely shine (yup) through the performances of his character roles, and he definitely knows the talent these actors are, not blinded by the stars.
Can we also just take a moment to appreciate the other recurring cast member of all Kubrick movies and that is his usage of liminal space. His mastery of filling the frame with an unconscious feeling of the sinister. He mastered this technique in the shining, 2001 and also the recruits barracks and destroyed city in Full Metal Jacket. The grand master, he is gone but will never be forgotten. This little doco was great btw. Really enjoyed it!
i also enjoyed his influence on The Killing of a Sacred Deer, just to name another
And funnily enough both Joe Turkel and Philip Stone featured in fairly prominent supporting roles in Harrison Ford films within 2 years of each other: Turkel as Tyrell in Blade Runner in '82 (as the vid mentions) and Stone as the English general at the Prince's banquet in Temple of Doom (Pat Roach who was in A Clockwork Orange and Barry Lyndon also shows up in ToD [as well as in Raiders and Last Crusade]). Just another random connection!
RIP Joe Turkel, 1927-2022
RIP. Wish I'd bought his autograph when I had the chance 😢
I’m so used to directors having a stable of collaborators (actors wise) that I never even thought about this! Interesting idea
Tim Burton comes to mind with his stable of actors
John Ford liked to work with the same actors over and over again.
The actor playing the bartender in The Shining would make a good Joseph Goebbels.
That's a weird Thing to say haha
I think that's what Kubrick was after.
Yes, he would have been amazing. He had the perfect look and intensity.
There was a little Hitler character in Clockwork Orange, in the prison yard scene. I think Kubrick liked showing English as the same as Nazis.
@@watermelonlalala It's said there is a swastika visible in the panelling of the 'Gold Room' in _The Shining_
the funny thing is i rewatched the shining yesterday and accidentally stumbled on this video, great video by the way
Came here to see some clips of Philip Stone. Was not disappointed.
A Peter Sellers biographer once said that Stanley Kubrick would have loved to have worked with Sellers again and apparently would have wanted to cast him in Eyes Wide Shut. Not sure exactly which part Kubrick could have seen him play right off hand, but it would seem Sellers was someone he not only admired and respected, but just liked quite a bit. It’s a shame Sellers died at age 54 in 1980. I can only imagine what all he could have done had he lived longer. Maybe Sellers and Kubrick would have worked together again. That would have been great.
Interesting. For some reason I'm really drawn to Sellers in the Nick Nightingale role.
@@EyebrowCinema seeing Sellers in that film would have defiantly been a change of pace for him. Of course, had he not died in 1980, his career could have taken a turn and he could have been in some more dramatic roles throughout that decade, as Being There showed he could be quite serious as an actor, all while showcasing his comedic talent at the same time. Peter Sellers and Stanley Kubrick we’re both talented people who passed away too soon.
My brother didn't care for The Shining at first. When I watched it with him, he even tried to switch it off before it was over. But I... corrected him, sir. And when my mother tried to prevent me from doing my duty, I... corrected her.
Joe Turkel is awesome. He’s a world war 2 vet. I was lucky enough to have lunch with him and he is very proud of Paths of Glory. In his opinion the best film and he was lucky enough to be in it. I think his performance in Paths of Glory was captivating but , not as much so as in The Shining. He rehearsed for a month for the Shining and rung out the sweat out of his clothes every day of shooting as the lights got very warm. Stanley, Jack, and Joe big Yankee fans talked about baseball when they weren’t talking about the film. Joe Turkel is a very nice person but doesn’t put up with nonsense. Ridley Scott asked him about how Kubrick would direct a scene because he knew he worked with him three times before. Joe though Ridley was doing an awesome job and told him to keep doing what he was doing. I work as background actor from time to time and Joe never really gave me advice on acting. I guess he figured if I want it bad enough I’ll get there on my own and everyone is different.
Thank you for highlighting these two actors as I have always admired their contributions to film. I especially like Philip Stone as he was great in Kubrick's films and even his appearance on TV like Coronation Street in the 60s.
Note that Philip Stone also worked back-to-back with Malcolm McDowell - after A Clockwork Orange he featured in the second part of the Mick Travis trilogy, the brilliant O Lucky Man!
Ofc it was part one of this trilogy, if...., that caused McDowell to be cast by Kubrick in A Clockwork Orange.
I've seen a lot of videos on Kubrick, but this one is actually informing me about something I'd never noticed before. Yes, I knew Leonard Rossiter had appeared in 2 great Kubrick movies as had Peter Sellars, but I'd never considered Joe Turkel or Philip Stone until you brought them up. In fact, so good were Turkel and Stone in all their respective roles, I'd never given them the appreciation they rightly deserved until you highlighted it. Bravo, excellent video and commentary. I'll now check out more of your work.
Another great video as usual. It doesn't fit your 3-film rubric, but his use of Leonard Rossiter in 2001 then Barry Lyndon is also an interesting example. At first a slightly sinister Russian diplomat whose questions create plot intrigue. Then an English captain who serves the same purpose as a plot instigator, but as a far richer, bombastic character.
He actually has a brief clip featuring Rossiter 0:47
Rossiter is a good example and very compelling across his collaborations.
@@EyebrowCinema Rossiter had built up a big reputation as a sitcom actor, especially by the time he appeared in Barry Lyndon, but he was capable of much more and Kubrick saw that whilst most directors might write him off as a comedic actor.
Stone also has a "blink and you'll miss it" part in Thunderball.
His use of those two has always been so intriguing to me. I know Turkel and him are old friends he even has a great lecture about their life stories on UA-cam
Really good video. It really makes me wonder if Kubrick intentionally picked those actors as a culmination of their roles as you described.
Being as smart as he was, Kubrick most definitely chose these two for their sympathetic abilities.
Kubrick sought contrast, and with these two fellows, gave us exactly that!
Again, great piece. Would love a special on ‘Being There’. Seller’s last big feature, and a movie that peels like an onion.
Kubrick's ability to convey that a given character is dangerous is amazing and the Stone scene is one of his best efforts. I remember straining to see the waiter's face when I first saw it.
I feel like the Ripper scenes in Strangelove are up there. Hayden was frightening.
Another great video! Not bad for someone who "isn't a filmmaker." I knew about Turkel and Stone, but not Vivian! Ahh. Vivian. The problem child. Actually, her estrangement from her family is quite sad. And I'm told Tom Cruise had nothing to do with it. I hope that's true.
I actually didn't know about Vivian's behaviour of late until I started working on this video. I'm not sure what the backstory is there, but it is indeed quite sad.
@@EyebrowCinema Evidently her mother doesn't even know how she got into Scientology. From all accounts she's brilliant like her father, but has chosen a path only she understands. I've experienced something very similar to this in my personal life, and it's like losing a family member.
Fun fact: the one person who's been in the most Kubrick films is his daughter Vivian, who was in four of them. However, these were uncredited bit roles (though she did get a speaking part as Floyd's daughter in "2001").
Turkel and Stone in the Shining, I mean, for me the scenes with them are about 50% of the movie. They absolutely make The Shining !!
Nobody ever talks about the avocat stain Jack's hand leaves on Grady's jacket. If we assume that every noticeable detail in Kubrick's movies was intentional, what purpose does it serve? Grady goes from a submissive butler with the personality of Stone's previous characters, to a presence of command and control over Jack. You get misdirected, then you find out who really wears the pants in that bathroom. Brilliant.
funny enough Vivian Kubrick played in more of his movies then anybody else. she was in 4 of his films. in 2001: a space odessey as the little daughter, Barry Landon as party guest, The Shining as another party guest and full metal jacket as the news reporter.
The bathroom and the bar scenes have always been somewhat mesmerizing to me.
... find a man at his most isolated
and you'll find out who he really is.
Peter Sellers should get a special "3 roles in 1 movie" Strangelove nod.
Was not expecting that ending. Overall, a well-written essay that clearly shows love and respect to both late actors.
These are two underrated actors that deserved just as much applause as the leading stars and Kubrick himself.
My Sincere congratulations to the author of this page. One of the best film/actor Analyze I've ever watched on the internet
Anonymous character actors?! Not too people in the UK :-) Leonard Rossiter was a household name, actor in sitcoms such as Rising Damp and Reginald Perrin. Even Anthony Sharpe (the government minister in Clockwork) was quite a well known face. Excellent channel by the way.
Haha. You're not the first British commenter to make this point!
Thanks for posting this, I found it very thought provoking. Although I always thought that Philip Stone was used in the Shining because of the he is the exact opposite of the father he portrayed in CO. It seemed Kubrick focused a lot on 3 member families and their relationships. Lotita, CO, BL and EWS.
Great work again.
I appreciate this particular essay. I was born in 1958 and I was a little too young to see and appreciate Paths of Glory when it came out. I was 11 when I came to see 2001: A Space Odyssey. From then on absorbed everything Kubrick. And I quickly became conscious of these two actors you feature. About the only thing that would’ve made Joe Turkel‘s performance more insidious Would have been directed to look squarely back into the camera lens is Jack Nicholson does in the gold room scene.
Hi Kubrick's daughter was also in Eyes Wide Shut as the sceptical mom watching doctor bill examine her son.
Easter Egg: The woman Mr. Grady avoided that he crashed into Nicholson was none other than the women from Room 237.
Great tribute to two amazing actors
The enormous thick glasses Joe wears as Eldon Tyrrell in Bladerunner, only 2 years later than The Shining, sure made him look older and like a different person. Been awhile but didn't remember him as the hotel bartender at all!
Right! He has a 'youthfulness' to him.
Two other Kubrick actors Patrick Mcgee and Aubrey Morris, both both stole the show in Clockwork.
Delbert and Lloyd were very chilling characters.
An extremely penetrating and subtle analysis which totally transforms an understanding of these actor’s roles
good vid- but excuse me- leonard rossiter is not 'anonymous', in the UK the guy was a house hold name pretty much / a tv star, he was a brilliantly funny comic actor.
While I was growing up in the 1980s, one of our local Kentucky television stations bought "The Fall and Rise of Reginald Perrin" and showed an episode each weeknight. I absolutely love him.
Vivian and Leon Vitali also had a bit part at the beginning of The Shining as a couple leaving the hotel on closing day - note the clothes they wear in the Making of documentary.
I rewatched the Shining scene with Philip Stone and even there he's still a bit reserved and respectful. When he tells Jack about Danny and Wendy and how they need ''correcting'' he says something like, ''if I could be so bold, sir.'' His demeanor is very menacing but his language is still careful and mild. Even the choice of the word ''correcting'' fits with his demeanor from the past films. So interesting the actor had some what of a character arc and still subtly holds traits from early films.
The way Stone says "corrected" is frightening. He emphasizes the word perfectly, clearly getting across what he actually means.
I never realized how brilliant Turkey and Stone were in the Shining until now.
Great critique, compelling and detailed. Ive seen these films many times. Your analysis fills out a lot of the “hidden detail”. Good work.
From Kirk Douglas' autobiography "The Ragman's Son": I met the director, Stanley Kubrick. He said he had a script called PATHS OF GLORY. I read the script and fell in love with it. "Stanley, I don't think this picture will ever make a nickel, but we HAVE to make it." I got financing. It wasn't easy. When I arrived in Munich, I was greeted with a completely rewritten script. "Stanley, did you write this?" "Yes." "Stanley, why would you do that?" He very calmly said, "To make it commercial. I want to make money." I hit the ceiling. "You come to me with a script. I love THAT script. I got the money, based on THAT script. Not this shit!" I threw the script across the room. "We're going back to the original script, or we're not making the picture."
Can't believe you called Leonard Rossiter and Timothy Carey "anonymous". Rossiter was one of Britain's most beloved comic actors, while Carey was one of the great American character actors of the 50s 60s and 70s.
Margaret Tyzack appeared to be a favorite of Kubrick's. She was in 2001: A Space Odyssey (Elena) and A Clockwork Orange (Conspirator Rubinstein).
I wanted to include footage of her in the video but it was basically impossible to get a clean shot of just her in either film (but especially in 2001 where she's always part of a larger ensemble blocking).
Philip Stone appeared in an episode of Yes Minister 'Party Games' mid 80s
I stupidly listened to critics of The Shining and didn’t watch it til years later. I was transfixed, freaked out and blown away (how’s that for a list of adjectives?) esp by the appearance of Lloyd in the seemingly empty Overlook. Under appreciated movie in its time.
Yo I wanted to know which actor was the favourite of Stanley Kubrick and lo and behold your video was just uploaded! Great timing bro 😎
Great analysis! Love Phillip Stone’s performances
...and the language too. "I corrected her," unnerving.
I saw The Shining projected with an audience in 2021 and the bathroom scene was incredible. Its very funny until Stone utters a line - you probably know the one - and the shock that descended over that theater was palpable, followed by the slow tightening of the screws. Terrifying. Also, when viewed in a theater, the light up panels behind Grady and Joe bounce pure projector light back into your eyeballs and as a result you strain to make out their faces. its stressful.
Was it was a bunch of politically correct weaklings clutching their pearls when Grady used a certain N word? That is terrifying to this current generation because they're so paranoid about offending people.
They were terribly frightening in The Shining. Especially when you find out they're ghosts.
..or are they? Look closer the next time you watch those scenes. As Jack walks down the corridor to the Gold Room, he convulses as he passes each mirror on the wall. He can't bare the sight of himself. Both conversations happen in front of mirrors. Jack isn't seeing ghosts, he's basically addressing his own reflection. Nice little detail to watch out for the next time ;)
Joe Turkel is the coolest guy, met him at a con, we were talking and I moved sideways, looking at the photos on his table. He replied, " If you walk away I'll kill you!" We became instant friends. He ended up buying one of my knives, told me, " Yeah, all these politicians and scumbags, nobody's gonna remember them but you and me, we're artists! We'll leave this world a better place!" I heartily agreed, lol.
I saw Joe Turkel at a horror con in Long Beach, CA about 7-8 years ago. I've been well aware of him and his place in Kubrick Canon since the early 90s at least. I had just finished buying Joe Pilato's autograph on a 'Day of the Dead poster(nice guy, took a pic w him and good convo). I looked up and Mr Turkel was looking directly at me with his intelligent gaze! Sadly, couldn't afford to buy his autograph after Pilato's. But no joke, his gaze was inviting me to approach him. It's almost like he knew I knew who he was! All I could do was smile and nod approvingly. I didn't feel right just talking to him without buying his auto.. well, that ship has sailed now... famous/ unknown rich, poor they are all equal now...
Vivian Kubrick
2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) Squirt - Floyd's Daughter (uncredited)
Barry Lyndon (1975) Magic Show Spectator (uncredited)
The Shining (1980) Smoking Guest on Ballroom Couch (uncredited)
Full Metal Jacket(1987) News Camera Operator at Mass Grave (uncredited)
11:41 here he looks like lou reed actually
This is well commentated. Insightful and engaging
Great vid man
I always like to say if a director doesn't use the same actors alot it can usually be a sign that their a pain in the ass to work with. Stanley Kubrick, despite being debatably the best director who ever lived, is a shining example of this.
I know, it's hard to imagine anyone WILLING to work with him multiple times...
Every Director needs a good team of collaborators to be good at what they do.
Thankfully the most horribly treated talent Kubrick ever had was Shelley Duvall.
In the decades since, she has praised him, even through his abrasive and harsh directing style.
Thanks to this movie I've since "corrected" many women who've had the good fortune of crossing my path. May their memory be a blessing.
My brother was venting to me about his son, my nephew. Neph has behavioral issues affecting his education as I did growing up. I jokingly asked why doesn't he try "correcting" him. My bro instantly got the reference 🤣 said he'd tried but it didn't work...😂
Fantastic video as always!
Thank you!
another great examination of aspects of Kubrick's methods. like many directors, he prefers certain actors. just to name 3 films, 2001:,'AClockwork orange' and 'the Shining', I'd like to mention things I pick up. he always got those eerie hushed conversations between 2 or more people, like in the men's room, where it's evident that there underlies a serious problem, while Jack and the butler converse. and on the ship in 2001: where the passengers are trying in vain to get the American officer to reveal the ''under '' story, as there is a ''cover" story he mentions in private meetings. and Alex in 'Clockwork', w/ the preacher in the library stacks, where Alex tries to con him, and he's not really getting anywhere. the preacher isn't so naive. but Alex does get to participate in the 'study' which eventually takes his aggression away. and the Astronauts in the pod, when they think HAL 9000 isn't detecting what they're saying. there's always something at stake when these people are talking in hushed tones. and the colors .red against white that's in the men's room in 'the shining' is similar to when the cops knock Alex around ,and the white wall in the police station catches some of his blood. Kubrick has these weird devices that repeat themselves. and when Alex turns gentle against his will, he runs into his old gang, which are now ''enforcing" the law as cops, they pound him w/ clubs rapidly, the same way the ape in 2001: assaults his victims w/ his new found weapon, a bone. quick smacks to the body again. pow, pow, pow. pow, pow, pow. and of course, ''Doc'' w/ scat man in the kitchen. eerie conversation. just sayin'.
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Nice analysis. Thanks for the upload!
Not sure if it's mentioned in the comments, but the man who assists Jack in the bathroom is named Dilbert Grady. The man we are told murdered his young daughters (not actually twins BTW) is Charles Grady (perhaps the son of Dilbert?).
Grady's name is one of the deliberate inconsistencies in the film.
Does anybody know if Lloyd and Grady have the same dialogue in Kings' novel?
Legendary actors! Love em'! Kubrick is the absolute BEST EVER!
Awesome vid. Thanks for making!
Great vid man,
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Good to meet you, Ironfish.
His work with Frank Silvera in Fear & Desire and Killer's Kiss is worth noting historically. To my knowledge, it is the earliest instance of a black actor cast in a lead/principle role where race is not the focus or even mentioned!
Very insightful. Great vid.
Great video as always
Thanks, Joel!
Stone was in Flash Gordon also!😊
how can you not appreciate Stanley Kubrick's work
Excellent video my friend 👍
Very insightful. The ending was especially funny.
Sorry to ask. I am drunk. What is music in the first two movies. Pretty familiar....
None of his actors can be bad. It is felt that Kubrick personally worked with them and very seriously.
excellent piece!
Peter Sellers, George C. Scott, Sterling Hayden, Slim Pickens, Peter Bull -- all rendered amazing performances in "Dr. Strangelove." Kirk Douglas IS "Spartacus!"