Gotta add to the name so it's more searchable. Like rev 2nd channel or rev stream highlight. Literally saw this video from UA-cam recommend cause I can't search find the channel😅😊
It's scummy they're calling Selen a "friend" all the while throwing her under the buss in the same breath. Even if they were coerced somehow, they have now this stigma, internet will remember this wrong they've committed. Doki wanted peace, fire was dying down, but Nijisanji could have move on but instead they reignited the fire into an inferno.
Facts, at least Scarle is not bowing down like these boot lickers. Your friend almost loses her life and you side with her bullies to save your paycheck. Whatever happened to integrity, I felt bad about the Niji boycott before but after all this they deserve it😤
I seriously dont know why they even agreed to this, like on what planet would they release this and think niji en will ever recover and their ability to continue streaming
@@saunorine Cause they like the way boot tastes. I doubt any of the other livers who tweeted the announcement of the stream knew the nature of it. Personally, I would be getting ready to bail on the company. We're only going to see an acceleration of graduations, if not, just people waling away without notice.
Doki has friends, good friends that love her. One of which was there for her and watched bad movies with her while she was in her darkest period. Thank you little owl/orca for being such a good friend to Doki.
Don't spread hate is usually just a legal CYOA for any party involved, whether it's the victim or the accused. I'm sure there's at least some bad blood somewhere on both sides, but that disclaimer is usually just so you can have some level of deniability to avoid being held liable for any harassment done by third parties.
“Graduating is always an option” My brother in Christ that’s what she literally tried to do. She wanted an amicable separation and none of this. This whole apocalypse of a PR failure could have been avoided if she got what she requested.
And if she'd got it, we never would've known about any of this (bullying, attempts, stealth suspensions, management hijacking accounts, etc.) and things would've already gone back to normal. They've REALLY screwed themselves by not taking the initial L.
@@christophergarland7936 They were already going to lose the subset of Selen's audience that was only there for her once she requested graduation, why did they risk losing everyone else in trying to smear her. She was making no attempt to retaliate against them for what they permitted and just move on. I made a Konami parallel on the main channel, but I'm genuinely shocked at how close I got when Scarle stepping out of lockstep and hearting a Kurosanji comment was all it took to alert Management. I said it before, I'll say it again, she needs to get out of there before she starts getting real smoke.
@@christophergarland7936 terrifying idea that we also would not know anything if the attempt was successful. And second sad thing is that in general Japanese support niji and says stuff "you should not believe Selen" (bruh, she literally didn't say anything new what Niji didn't self reported before her...). Like they have mindset that "company is always right, individual going against company is wrong" and don't know anything about the whole situation apart from "she was a troublemaker and got kicked". And kinda blame EN audience for niji failure.
The Vox drama with his "surprise roleplaying" crap where he terrified his audience with fake freakouts and other stuff, followed by him acting like the viewers are to blame and he's 100% innocent in it suddenly makes much more sense now, when you realize he's an arrogant bully.
also the fact hes a IRL crrp his past life was a undertale comic dubber on a channel called stardub where he was fired for. treating his cohost like trash flirting with 12 to 14 year old fans and making alot of miso comments about female vtubers and comic creators.
@@MrRAGE-md5rj No doubt Doki has the receipts, but she's too good for these people and just wants to move on with her life without hurting anyone in return, even the bullies that continue to attack her.
It's crazy how Vox said "graduating is always an option" and yet they almost unanimously decided to destroy their reputation by publishing this response and retweeting it.
Which is ironic with the context of management leaving Selen on read for over a week after requesting mutual graduation and then going full nuclear when she got her lawyers involved.
Friendly reminder that "graduating is always an option" is invalidating the talents' life circumstances. The reason why vtuber company talents try not to leave, is because they think they couldn't find a job like this anywhere else. Why else the NijiID talents stuck out so long despite not being paid enough to even live? And Nijisanji ofc won't fire them because of the employee rights law that exists in Japan & Indonesia. But ofc when they do fire (with Selen here), they do it illegally (even for Canadian laws) without Severance or even a notice.
@@TheRibbonRed While that might be true, it was not hard to see that leaving before making that terrible announcement was the best option. They could have started a new career as a streamer, either IRL or VTubing, again with the support of their fans. Even the person behind Pomu is getting tons of support, and she doesn't even have plans to get back into streaming as a job again. But now, even if they graduate, they will get shited on by people almost daily. Because of that, I honestly have no sympathy for the talents still inside Nijisanjien. I won't harass them, but I most certainly won't suppont them if I happen to see them again in the future (even if they leave Nijisanji).
@@nnoas971 Tbh, I'm on the same opinion as you about what's left of NijiEN. But my prev comment was to clarify why some of the former talents stuck out so long. If they ever considered being IRL streamers, do you really think they'd go vtubing in the first place? It's obvious there's something at stake if they chose vtubing first; most likely their only streaming option. Being indie also doesn't net the same stable job status & convenience (eg. getting streaming permissions from Japanese AAA companies). That said, 2024 is definitely a bit easier to go indie than in 2021 when Selen debuted. But she's gonna need a lot more constant support than she would if she's in a company.
Calling it now, Elira "graduates" into a proper management/translator/liaison position in Niji, is why she volunteered to do this on her channel, she knew her vtuber career was already done. Unrelated fun fact: Niji posted a job listing for an EN manager in Canada around the same time Elira went to Japan.
@@ishiblack7497 If she just moved her life over to Japan as this was all kicking off, then being in a position where she'd do whatever it took to hold onto her own employment, doing something as incredibly stupid as that video on her channel makes a lot more sense.
@@ishiblack7497That's not how Japanese Visas work. No jail time, that's ridiculous, and she can stay in Japan as long as she's getting an income and that includes unemployment insurance payments and self employment. Getting the Japanese visa in the first place is the hard part, actually keeping it after is quite easy.
@@Pasu4 In Japan moment when your visa gone, they see you as criminal. When visa expired, you just have time to leave until end of day. Instant cancel visa put you in more f up situation. Imagine you set up home there and sudenly you have no time to move out. They gonna put you in deportation jail and put masive punishment cost on you to pay, and you gonna banned in Japan from 1 to 5 years.
@@honeyedpeaches it is, as I've expected. Once Selen goes, they'll begin to fall apart. What I did not expect was the way it would. I thought they'd fall apart slowly you know? They're accelerating everything this way, they're panicking and when you panic, you tend to make mistakes. Now once Kyo leaves , we could expect more to follow suit, notably one or few of those we're talking about. Scarle might be next, probably terminated. They're just looking for reasons
@@JoCaTen if they didn’t continue to attack like this and continue to try and cover themselves up like this. If they did an investigation,issued a statement about the bullies of Selen and apologized. Things could be a lot better. But they didn’t. They’ll continue to refuse to do it and blame her. It’s just awful..
Interesting to see the similarities how Niji addressed the terminations between Selen and Zaion in their respective streams: 1. The supposed "victim(s)" of the talent 2. The friend who felt gaslighted and manipulated by said talent. 3. The "friend" who's shocked by their fellow talents "actions" and how they felt betrayed. 4. How all of them "tried" to help their friend but was unwilling to listen and kept breaking rules. All to purposely villify the talent and how they were in the right to terminate said talent. They thought they'd be successful as they did with Zaion. But people caught up to it, and called them out for doing the same to Selen.
@@braddl9442Same with mainstream news organizations. They may be able to get away with it once or twice, but it can’t work forever due to the nature of the Internet. Given time, they will be caught in a big lie over and over again until more people stop believing them
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. If they hadn't used practicly the exact same play book people may not have noticed so quickly, but nijisanji management is clearly filled with lazy, borderline incompetent egotists.
They expected people to not believe Doki, just like they didn't believe Sayu. Imo the difference is, Doki as Selen was a lot less problematic and people were more willing to listen, + she was bigger and had more respect. Sayu as Zaion was terminated fairly quickly, and her problematic behavior like making jokes about grape, and shotacons rubbed people the wrong way and made her words fall on deaf ears.
for real... I hope that the talents involved are just unwilling meat shields that were kinda forced into it. Even then it doesn't fully absolve them of their actions but if they leave Niji and help sink that ship/get reconcilliation with Doki then I'll support them
The level of PR incompetence is enough to give somebody brain damage. A basic rule of PR is don't ever get people involved in a controversy or whatever who aren't already directly involved. Besides that, we have this trio of clowns claiming Nijisanji broke NDA to show them legal documents that they weren't authorized to see, followed by Nijisanji announcing that they investigated themselves and declared that they didn't do anything illegal. Either the clown are telling the truth about seeing the documents and the announcement is a lie, or the announcement about not doing anything illegal is true and the clowns lied about everything to do with the documents. Both cannot be true at the same time. They clearly didn't realize they caught themselves in a contradiction. Additionally, it's possible both are lying because the clowns lied about their own personal information being in the documents, when we now know that the documents only had Selen's personal information.
I feel so bad for Elira, she 100% got pressured into doing this. She just does her own thing and is really drama free. But she always had the reputation of really following all management said, so I guess this time wasn't different.
@@pa5838 most likely, but im 100% sure. if she refused and actually did get terminated for it. the ppl would have supported her, just like they did selen. Unless ofc she indeed is a bully in the first place and that somehow came it ( most likely by ppl asking for doki colabs and them not doing it for example) but in the end, that timeline has already been gone in the void. after taking the stand she chose to take.
@pa5838 Elira is super easy to pressure, if you consider that she's living in Japan on work visa. The moment she get terminated, is basically the moment she loses her visa.
@@sya2711 "if she refused and actually did get terminated for it. the ppl would have supported her, just like they did selen" This is entirely proven by the fact that Scarle, the only one to take some sort of stand against Niji, is actually gaining subscribers in contrast to every other Niji member. Siding with Selen here would actually be a boost to any of their careers, even if they have to go indie for it. The fact that they choose to side with Niji anyway says it all.
the rabbit hole for this goes sooooo deep and rack back to before the en branch was even established. it's kinda nuts how this clique infested niji and brought this downfall
@@jisa2712 Official lore: "Furthermore, she(Elira) was willing to betray her own half-sister Selen in order to ensure that a more peaceful way to restore the dragon race could be found." I think there's also something about Zaion being a prophet who warned about imminent destruction, but I can't find Zaion's official lore to confirm.
@@Duamerthrax From the Virtual UA-camr Wiki, Zaion's lore was: "XSOLEIL Institute of Infinity 1st Year. Treasurer of the Student Council who came from the future. She hides her loneliness with a self-imposed goal of preventing the apocalypse."
As far as i i know, one has a japanese work visa and lives there, so yeah, this is probably realy a gunpoint situation, which just shows again how bad kurosanji is. Everyone will remember their voices if they dont have a voice changer. They used them as meatshields which is as bad as everything already is.
@@MrDoreius Niji can't do shit to her visa once it's already issued. Only the government could revoke it. If you lose your job while in Japan on a work visa, you can stay until it expires to find a new job. This has been said by multiple people who live in Japan over the last days.
@@lonelystrategos Holy shit man finally someone who understands visas. I've been trying to correct people on this shit for days. The sheer amount of people who think that Elira could just lose her visa instantly is insane. Thank god at least someone else understands.
I still can't believe that stream happened. Prior to it, we all had the ability to separate the talents from the agency. But as soon as Elira, Vox, and Ike, spoke, and the other talents RT'd the stream and some added their own words via tweets to it, talents and agency became one entity. A bad entity.
@@cryforhelp7270 it's just a rumor and has nothing to do with Japanese keyboard / etc. I have the same - ' そして - ’ You kinda need to switch exactly to katakana/hiragana to get such '. It doesn't work if you just use Japanese keyboard when you type in English, even if your locale is also Japanese. What people found out is that you can have that asterisk also if you are using apple device or iphone. So could be talent / management, could also be pc / iphone which doesn't cancel talent / management pair at all. Also someone brought I think Millie twits - and either it was nitpicking or actual thing, but she kinda has "two styles" (like often using "..." - and then suddenly none). But ' and ’ is present in both "styles".
If you had a gander at the Grand Unifying Rrat theory (GURRAT, can't give a link but Depressed Nousagi went through it on his channel today) this hit piece stream makes a lot more sense if the rrat is even partly true. It makes a fascinating read, even if it is false.
Drop accusations without context, then says don't ask us for any additional inforamtion about the situation we created for ourselves. Any question should be sent to corporate. That is mental. Corporate should be the only ones responding so they can take direct questions. Its like you push someone to the floor from their back and then say don't push me back. Their PR team must have just graduated from high school.
lol This is a learning experience for others, if you aren’t sure what to say about anything, just don’t say anything - and if you’re being threatened (possibly) then you should report that openly as there are others who could also be at risk. Oh well…at least we know now.
It pisses you off because it’s fake as all fuck, the “clear the throat and take a sip” thing is textbook speech preparation on the stand at a trial, it’s how you’re meant to come across after it and you’re not meant to be able to replay it over and over.
They have only themselves to blame for this. They could have de-escalated and let it go at any point. But they didn't. They could have just given her the quiet graduation she wanted, and the worst they would have gotten would have been some halfhearted grumbling. But they didn't. They could have terminated her with a simple vague "irreconcilable differences" statement with nothing more said and they would have only gotten mild backlash that would have died down after a week or two. But they didn't. No, they choose to go about it in the most petty and vindictive way they could. They had to be the ones to get in the last word, they had to do everything they could to try and drag her reputation through the mud. They are using the same playbook they did with Zaion almost step for step and people are noticing. Nijisanji made their bed and now they have to reap the consequences of their own actions.
At this point they will have to start streaming with Members only which is something Ike ended up doing now as we speak which is ashamed but this is something he and the other brought upon themselves
that wont work either even the members during the originak stream were attacking there scummyness. making it members only might just remind more people to quit being members.
@@housewilma4904 it also just show that even Elira and Ike fanbase aren't happy about what going on hell even what they did. They will defend them but they are definitely not happy the only delusional fanbase are Vox Fans whom act like he did nothing wrong.
nah its weirdly the reverse vox is getting heavily critszed in his comments so is elira. but ikes is literally ALL POSTIVE comments saying boo hoo poor you in some form or another. hes getting literally ZERO consquences for what he did to the point hes the only one of the 3 to do a stream since. which he did this morning to PURE POSTIVITY ew.@@dcoker9738
Right? Ironically, what Vox said about Selen in the stream, seemed perfectly fitting. They could have walked away. What they did here was truly distasteful, forced or not, I can’t stand behind this behaviour. Nijisanji is a coward for hiding behind their livers but I was really disappointed to see the livers pulling this. Absolutely disgusting behaviour.
Elira's kinda trapped at the moment. She's in Japan with a work visa that Niji is providing. If I was put in a corner like that, I might offer my channel, but be making arrangements to leave within a week, then torpedo the company with a tell all. If she's gone soon and explains what was coerced, I could see her rebounding.
Well tbh, I do think it's possible to force someone to do something. I don't think they just decided to take this risk because "let's go woohoo it's gonna be fun". That's what I get from other people reacting to the drama (Nux, Koefficient, Moist, Asmongold,...) but at the same time everybody act like they're better... while I'm not sure a lot of people are ready to quit their job tomorrow. And I don't even know if it's possible or not that they could legally bound to stay or do something like that But that's just to play the devil's advocate. and trying to understand everyones point of view too. The whole mess is so strange. Everyone is so sure of themselve... especially the community
Technically true but quitting your job is a big decision as not having a sure income, even for a short time between work, is a scary prospect and we know Niji doesn't give their talents anything. Plus this isn't a retail job we're talking about; there was years of creative effort and building their base involved. There's a personal connection that just doesn't exist in other jobs. I know I'd struggle to leave a character I spend years as.
Even If Doki won't sue, the fact that this video violates so MANY laws including Japan and Canadian, they can still PURSUE for out of Court DAMAGES as well as get the Nijisanji en legal team DISBARRED for spreading confidential documents
@@gurugurumawaru7869 unfortunately there's still a LOT of BOT supporters Niji En not to mention a certain Vtuber duo streaming Doki as the "BAD One" for breaking management rules
@@christian1neza1656 Yes, it would definitely hurt their rep, but unless they've done prior shit before, I don't see a disbarment possible. You have to do A LOT before getting disbarred, as Trump lawyers have proven this past few years...
"I think they're arrogant." Unquestionably. You know corporate was patting each other on the back and handing out high-fives when they came up with this brilliant idea.
Is it weird that I feel tremendous levels of guilt for Elira being my Nijisanji oshi for so many years? I've legit felt sick to my stomach the past few days for ever supporting this monster... I feel betrayed...
I feel you friend mine is/was Ike and the amount of copium I am inhaling is insane. (It was made a little easier to handle with Doki's last statement) but man the sucker punch when Ike started talking.
@@pandoraelfe3373 I feel like we need to set up a support group for every (ex-)fan involuntarily huffing copium.... You know, help each other get over this😭 Edit: by 'this' I mean the feelings of betrayal and the loss of comfort and stuff like that
I don't think you should feel guilty, you couldn't have known. I've supported people who have turned out to really suck so I know how you feel, there's a lot of people out there who are good at manipulating and it's not easy to see. Personally I've only ever really watched Scarle but I did also like Vox and Ike, they seemed cool (not really anymore though). The best thing to do now imo is to support Dokibird for everything she went through, because damn. I don't like to consider this situation drama because of how serious it is, but more just keeps coming out and it's insane how Nijisanji is handling it
I honestly don't understand how it's unprofessional... am I the only one? I mean, I don't udnerstand why taking a sip is something everybody seems to get triggered by it. Well not that I was a big fan of Ike but it's so weird to me that that's something even worth ranting about
@HaydenNK3 taking a sip of water at that time in particular could mean multiple things: 1. (best case) Ike was pressured by kurosanji to read off a script and was hella nervous so he took the sips of water and clear his throat to shake off his nerves 2. It was prerecorded and then posted as live, so he wouldn't have been able to drink water as elira or vox were talking 3. (bad ending) Ike wanted to gain sympathy by drinking water, acting like he was distraught in an attempt to garner support (probably forced by kurosanji)
@@bepe4279 That's a lot of assumption from just a sip, but I can't deny there is some logic behind it. In any case, I still feel like it's a bit much to be triggered by that specifically. My first reaction to seeing Rev (and other) mentionning the sip was "whut? No but guilty conscience or not, not everything they do is evil or malicious"
@@HaydenNK3 You are right in that sense, however there was good reason to react to the sip of water, as it was oddly placed and felt unnatural. I speculated and theorized way too hard for sure, though lol
I expected better from Elira. As a founding member of their EN branch and an overall cool person as far as I had seen, I had hoped she would be a voice of reason, or at least abstain from this. It seems I had expected too much.
What gets me is the worst they could accuse her of is not being cooperative, yet they act like she slandered the company. Thing is one of those is plausible while the other one still has not been proven, WHILE violating the privacy of the document between lawyers.
Elira, Ike and Vox in my opinion may have been told to do this against their will, yet it does not in any way exempt them from being complicit to Niji’s attack against Doki. Hate to say it, they’re making that bed, and they’ll lie on it with management.
This *could* be the case, but after listening to a lot of conversations around this; I’m under the assumption that these three were shown these documents because they were mentioned in it by name. They most likely told on themselves that they were ones “bullying”/harassing Doki
@@Mikoto86 whether or not that is true, they still broke NDA, not to mention I’m very certain revealing a patient’s files is outright illegal. I’m not a nurse or anything, that’s the basics of being malicious.
Realizing something that more or less exposes the hypocrisy and disingenuous words: even for how much they're throwing Selen under the bus, they never even gave Zaion the courtesy of saying "don't harass anyone involved here". Ren was the only one tmk who actually tried to discourage harassment against Zaion
There's almost definitely a lot of this story that most people will never know, but this much, I think, is clear and open: Decisions were made. They were, to borrow a convenient quote, stupid-ass decisions.
I don't usually care about these things, but something about Doki's situation struck a nerve, probably that it only happened in the first place because everyone was either a bystander or enabling it, it continued for that reason, and it didn't even stop after she left because her abusers and the bubble they live in enabling them are just that full of themselves. Best of luck to Doki, and to anyone else that has been treated similarly.
Also something I just realized, Ike said that “all of us will continue to provide a safe and fun environment *for fans* to enjoy together”. Notice he only said “for fans” and not “for fellow livers and fans” or something to that effect. Thanks for confirming that they wont be treating their talents any better bro 😂🤦♂️
i heard some of the livers ar Kurosanji were being used as translaters for other livers since kurosanji didnt have more then 2 or so english speakers. this would explain alot of dokis og claims that there were mismanagement issues and bullying coming from other livers since they can direcly control others messeges to Niji if they dont speak or write Japanese
1:15 "Throat-clearing accompanied by an Adam's apple jump occurs as a result of cognitive overload and the fight-or-flight response. Liars tend to clear their throat due to the effects of cognitive overload and the flight-or-flight response."
Rev, look into the GURRAT, or Grand Unified Rrat. It makes sense of this entire mess from the beginning of NijiEN. I'm not one for 4chan bullsh!ttery but the GURRAT makes WAY too much feckin' sense to not be ignored. From Elira's clique with Enna and Millie, to Selen's bullying allegations and 2 apparent attempts on herself, Sugo and Zaion's terminations, the favouritism towards Luxiem (Vox and Ike in particular), the whole enchilada. There's a Rentry page for it, since 4chan jannies are trying to sweep this and memoryhole it (the Streisand effect is most DEFINITELY in play here).
I disagree. It does not make sense and it should not be spread for a reason. You have to consider that it's the perfect material for unhinged trolls to spread.
True or not, this theory will unfortunately prolong the storm until some livers decides graduate. Doki may want to move on but she can't control others that keeps on digging, until they feel vindicated.
Sheesh... I knew Nijisanji was going to sink, but never did I expect them to burn themselves further on their own yacht built from the masses of their most "beloved" livers. Vox, Ike, and Elira will most likely leave their black stain on the internet for what they did to Selen / Dokibird, while Dokibird is thriving from the support she's getting.
What's crazy is that even if (in the extremely unlikely case) Selen made everything up or exaggerated certain aspects, as I've seen some random people out there speculate, it would literally change nothing. You could argue that it would make NijiEN look even worse out of the sheer incompetence of getting out PR'd by a single person and her lawyer
I think the funny detail here is that... Selen / Doki actually didn't say anything new almost. Like pretty much niji just self reported before she had a chance to say anything. And new things she said like not paying for projects - were confirmed by various artists. Also it wasn't that important in whole situation. Other things - they say "mental health issues", she say "suicide attempt". They say "was bullied by other liver" - she said "toxic environment" without specifying management or liver or any details. And also niji never tried to refute or object anything Doki said - they just try to say that "she is bad and gets what she deserved! And we are good and victim here!". They say "she is lying!" but they never specify what exactly is a lie. Well obviously because it would lead to legal consequences.
They'll never going to have peace afterward, even if they all get terminated or graduated, they're still going to have this stigma forever, they'll never be forgiven. They may as well never come back to the Vtuber or Streaming space and even remove themselves as public figures entirely.
I'll go as far as to say as that they've ruined any and all prospects in the entire entertainment industry! They admit to breaching basic legal shit, openly slander a traumatized peer, and having the gall to claim that THEY are the victims here! Not even the blackest of hearts in Hollywood would even bother with such gullible idiots!
I'm happy to give Elira another chance in the future. I'm not a fan of Vox or Ike so I'm neutral on them. I don't believe in holding mistakes and bad choices over people forever, that's cancel culture BS and it's childish nonsense. I judge people by who they are now not who they where.
@@azamonra It's always the people that say they're above cancel culture who cancel people the hardest. At least Twitter freaks will give up after a day.
@@azamonra Redemption is earned, not given. Always remember that this "mistakes" almost cost one of the most beloved and hard working person life in Vtubing endeavor. Until Nijisanji and co put an actual efforts to earn genuine forgiveness don't expect us to hold our breath.
im so dissapointed in the Japan bros i didnt want to belive it but the astroturfing campign for elira to stop her losing subs proved it. Japan bros really do love companies not people and think workers should suffer in silence.
That's the Social Conditioning there, do you know what breaks Social Conditioning like that? They must have something to compare it to that is better. How do you do that? I'm glad you asked. They must learn a language of a country that treats it's people better. There's a reason why many of the Japanese students at universities learn English, French or German
elira subs were consitently dropping since the stream. then it came out a bunch of japanese fans were doing rally campigns to "subscribe to niji to spite the western bullies"@@Explorerofshadows
They honestly thought they could stab our girl in the back and push her to her breaking point and we would just stay silent? There's no going back for the EN branch, they're done.
Regardless if they were part of the clique or the translators for the documents or been forced to do this by the company talent should have never made a statement. The hr or pr department should of made the statement. All this has done is label those who talked and those mentioned in the statement as the alleged bullies by the public. any hate towards those livers are earned by their disastrous statement with no proof and was debunked in doki in a more professional statement then theirs.
watching the way nijisanji has handled this at best is proof that they are extremely incompetent at their jobs and at worst blatantly trying to beat claims of bullying by continuing to bully a former employee in plain sight of everyone. clearly no one over there has ever been informed that silence is golden. the only other company that i can think of that i’ve been invested in with such bad PR is the WWE. the only thing that saved that company was having their owner Vince McMahon step down and then get bought by a bigger company. perhaps Nijisanji should think along those lines as well. the buck stops at the top, it’s time to get rid of the rotten management and replace them with competent people. that’s the only slim hope i see them having at this point.
@@samthepancake69 gurrat stands for great/ grand unifying rrat. a rrat being a theory that is yet to be proven and a lot of rrats about nij were either proven or now highly likly to be true. the gurrat mainly says there is a clique and that some livers mainly elira are either part of mangement or have a lot of sway in mangement.
I was so happy watching old videos and montages of one of these vtubers. I didn’t have the opportunity to look and find out more about them, now I found out and I’m so disappointed, it’s so sad.
Yup she called someone an apex predator and was bashing her and milles amd elira behind her backs, possibly her communicating through management and they told elira and she told them remember that Selen talked about issues to management so how did she know that she was slandering her, reimou and nina just laughed so Nina being smart redirected the convo, milles laughed too, then Nina Left notice how the brightest personalities are all leaving, Yugo, Nina, Mysta, Zion, and kyo all left and they have personalities that they would speak up against things while those who are quiet and wouldn't speak up so easily are staying, Aia talked about quitting niji many times but was convinced too stay and Scarlet hearting the kurosanji comment may have been their wave speaking out against the clique, and niji Noctix seems like the middle group trying to protect the other talents look at his statements it seems like proper PR management like we know their guilty but listen to their side probably knowing that they will fail he's way to smart😂
They could have just given her the quiet graduation she wanted, and the worst they would have gotten would have been some halfhearted grumbling. But they didn't. They could have terminated her with a simple vague "irreconcilable differences" statement with nothing more said and they would have only gotten mild backlash that would have died down after a week or two. But they didn't. No, they choose to go about it in the most petty and vindictive way they could. They had to be the ones to get in the last word, they had to do everything they could to try and drag her reputation through the mud. They are using the same playbook they did with Zaion almost step for step and people are noticing. Nijisanji made their bed and now they have to reap the consequences of their own actions.
Better that it does, imho. Actions need to have consequences. Some of the innocent talent may take some collateral, during all of this, but ultimately -- a company won't change for anything other than meeting Shareholder expectations. If the company is "hurting," then it will have a reason to make some changes, and hopefully improve the long-term employment situations of the talents.
the reason, i think, that you got so mad when he took a sip of water, was probably your mind recognizing how disingenuous whatever-his-name was being. Manipulators use other people's emotions against them, but a lot of the time your brain can tell the difference between someone faking or not, you just don't always know it consciously. It usually just presents like, that dude seems off.
To me Rev, I'm more than happy that this livers showed their true colors. Vox was like a narcissist or sociopath from day one and after the video... And I have no shame to call him Homelander, as he's NijiEN's favorite
Kinda reminds me of Zaions genmates, publicly bootlicking the company and throwing her under the bus by making bad remarks on her and slandering her (Kotoka, Hex and Ver).
They presented themselves as faceless voices in the dark uniting under a common cause so clearly this is how they want to be seen. I respect their decision and their wishes and thus will refer to them as accomplices 1 through 3 going forward (in order of appearance in the video) 🙄
It's a small thing I only thought of recently, and not to overly defend their actions, but I have heard that there are contracts where you can be sued if you break the contract early. Granted they could still have refused to cooperate and gotten fired on purpose, but it sounds as if several of them were hired young and maybe indoctrinated into a toxic work culture. idk. I really am curious to see if any of them jump ship at the earliest possible opportunity and come clean.
I'm sincerely hoping that, through whatever legal means they follow, it comes out that the management folk tampered with those documents before showing them to the other livers. I know the odds are astronomical at best, but I want to believe that they tried this to coerce those three into making that "statement" more easily.
One part of Ike’s statement that’s confused me from the start is when he says “within Nijisanji EN everyone always makes an effort to make sure that anyone that wants to be included in something has the opportunity to do so, whether that be online or offline.” What was that in reference to? It felt like such a random non-sequitur. I feel like it’s meant to be a jab directly at something included in Doki’s legal document regarding the harassment.
Says nothing = 'transparency' Can't believe a legal document has their actual names "Do not spread hate" they say, while hating on Selen "This is a thing for lawyers" they say, after having publicized this crap Actual stupidity. Idiocy. Lunacy. It's baffling that people can be this dumb.
a lot of people still believe that everything would be back to normal and people would just shrugged this off like other's ex livers graduation and termination but i feel like those people don't understand how SEVERE the damage is. i used to be an avid watcher of ike and vox (mainly ike) but that video that they posted is just soooooo sickening to me to the point i experience physical and mental discomforts (my stomach litterally hurt when i watched the video) the manipulation, betrayal, and lies that came out of their mouth is pure disgusting friend MY ASS I DON'T DO THAT TO MY FRIENDS AND VICE VERSA
Step by step process how they can recover 1. Retract that Elira video 2. Admit mistakes specifically management mistakes 3. Fire incompetent managers 4. Admit that the livers are forced or victims (even if they are not) 5. Put NijiEN under direct management of Anycolor 6. Let talents who wanted to graduate, graduate on good terms 7. Overhaul and restructuring. Better rates for talents and better royalty on merchandise. 8. Be transparent
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Ok!,
I was wondering why i suddenly seen the "Rev" channel and though someone was tryna impersonate fr
Since he reviewed it thoroughly I didn't know vox was a lawyer
Gotta add to the name so it's more searchable. Like rev 2nd channel or rev stream highlight. Literally saw this video from UA-cam recommend cause I can't search find the channel😅😊
Rev model is soo breedable
It's scummy they're calling Selen a "friend" all the while throwing her under the buss in the same breath. Even if they were coerced somehow, they have now this stigma, internet will remember this wrong they've committed. Doki wanted peace, fire was dying down, but Nijisanji could have move on but instead they reignited the fire into an inferno.
Facts, at least Scarle is not bowing down like these boot lickers. Your friend almost loses her life and you side with her bullies to save your paycheck. Whatever happened to integrity, I felt bad about the Niji boycott before but after all this they deserve it😤
yeah that''s the thing it pissed me off like you could say the same stuff without calling her a friend or saying she's your girl and stuff
I seriously dont know why they even agreed to this, like on what planet would they release this and think niji en will ever recover and their ability to continue streaming
@@saunorine Cause they like the way boot tastes. I doubt any of the other livers who tweeted the announcement of the stream knew the nature of it. Personally, I would be getting ready to bail on the company. We're only going to see an acceleration of graduations, if not, just people waling away without notice.
Doki has friends, good friends that love her. One of which was there for her and watched bad movies with her while she was in her darkest period. Thank you little owl/orca for being such a good friend to Doki.
Ike: *_"Lastly, I want to reiterate, PLEASE DO NOT SPREAD HATE..."_*
Too late for that, Ikey.
Funny how they start saying that when they know it's their turn being subjected to it lmao.
@@snibetisnab211 It's pretty obvious the whole "don't spread hate." was just a code for "please don't hate on us or the people supporting us."
now that we have finished spreading our hate NO SPREADING HATE STARTING NOW
Blud pours gas, scrapes a flint, and asks for the flames not to spread.
Don't spread hate is usually just a legal CYOA for any party involved, whether it's the victim or the accused. I'm sure there's at least some bad blood somewhere on both sides, but that disclaimer is usually just so you can have some level of deniability to avoid being held liable for any harassment done by third parties.
“Graduating is always an option”
My brother in Christ that’s what she literally tried to do. She wanted an amicable separation and none of this.
This whole apocalypse of a PR failure could have been avoided if she got what she requested.
And if she'd got it, we never would've known about any of this (bullying, attempts, stealth suspensions, management hijacking accounts, etc.) and things would've already gone back to normal.
They've REALLY screwed themselves by not taking the initial L.
@@christophergarland7936 They were already going to lose the subset of Selen's audience that was only there for her once she requested graduation, why did they risk losing everyone else in trying to smear her. She was making no attempt to retaliate against them for what they permitted and just move on. I made a Konami parallel on the main channel, but I'm genuinely shocked at how close I got when Scarle stepping out of lockstep and hearting a Kurosanji comment was all it took to alert Management. I said it before, I'll say it again, she needs to get out of there before she starts getting real smoke.
You always have a choice,
and the company also always has a choice...
This time they chose to line up their livers infront of a firing squad
@@christophergarland7936 terrifying idea that we also would not know anything if the attempt was successful.
And second sad thing is that in general Japanese support niji and says stuff "you should not believe Selen" (bruh, she literally didn't say anything new what Niji didn't self reported before her...). Like they have mindset that "company is always right, individual going against company is wrong" and don't know anything about the whole situation apart from "she was a troublemaker and got kicked". And kinda blame EN audience for niji failure.
The Vox drama with his "surprise roleplaying" crap where he terrified his audience with fake freakouts and other stuff, followed by him acting like the viewers are to blame and he's 100% innocent in it suddenly makes much more sense now, when you realize he's an arrogant bully.
also the fact hes a IRL crrp his past life was a undertale comic dubber on a channel called stardub where he was fired for.
treating his cohost like trash flirting with 12 to 14 year old fans and making alot of miso comments about female vtubers and comic creators.
@@housewilma4904Oh damn really? I remember I used to watch Star Dubs back when Undertale was super popular…
I don't doubt it, but some proof would really help seal the deal.
@@MrRAGE-md5rj No doubt Doki has the receipts, but she's too good for these people and just wants to move on with her life without hurting anyone in return, even the bullies that continue to attack her.
Vox past lives are Calysto and Vade.
It's crazy how Vox said "graduating is always an option" and yet they almost unanimously decided to destroy their reputation by publishing this response and retweeting it.
Not to mention that "If you don't like it, why didn't you leave?" is a classic example of how abusers manipulate their victims.
Which is ironic with the context of management leaving Selen on read for over a week after requesting mutual graduation and then going full nuclear when she got her lawyers involved.
Friendly reminder that "graduating is always an option" is invalidating the talents' life circumstances. The reason why vtuber company talents try not to leave, is because they think they couldn't find a job like this anywhere else.
Why else the NijiID talents stuck out so long despite not being paid enough to even live? And Nijisanji ofc won't fire them because of the employee rights law that exists in Japan & Indonesia. But ofc when they do fire (with Selen here), they do it illegally (even for Canadian laws) without Severance or even a notice.
@@TheRibbonRed While that might be true, it was not hard to see that leaving before making that terrible announcement was the best option. They could have started a new career as a streamer, either IRL or VTubing, again with the support of their fans. Even the person behind Pomu is getting tons of support, and she doesn't even have plans to get back into streaming as a job again. But now, even if they graduate, they will get shited on by people almost daily.
Because of that, I honestly have no sympathy for the talents still inside Nijisanjien. I won't harass them, but I most certainly won't suppont them if I happen to see them again in the future (even if they leave Nijisanji).
@@nnoas971 Tbh, I'm on the same opinion as you about what's left of NijiEN. But my prev comment was to clarify why some of the former talents stuck out so long.
If they ever considered being IRL streamers, do you really think they'd go vtubing in the first place? It's obvious there's something at stake if they chose vtubing first; most likely their only streaming option. Being indie also doesn't net the same stable job status & convenience (eg. getting streaming permissions from Japanese AAA companies).
That said, 2024 is definitely a bit easier to go indie than in 2021 when Selen debuted. But she's gonna need a lot more constant support than she would if she's in a company.
"W or L"
It's so "L" it actually started trying to figure out if light yagami owns the death note.
Hot damn, that bad, huh?
Calling it now, Elira "graduates" into a proper management/translator/liaison position in Niji, is why she volunteered to do this on her channel, she knew her vtuber career was already done.
Unrelated fun fact: Niji posted a job listing for an EN manager in Canada around the same time Elira went to Japan.
From what i know she is in Japan on Working Visa. It was more "Refuse to post that and its gonna end with Termination, going to jail and deportation".
@@ishiblack7497 If she just moved her life over to Japan as this was all kicking off, then being in a position where she'd do whatever it took to hold onto her own employment, doing something as incredibly stupid as that video on her channel makes a lot more sense.
@@ishiblack7497What would she go to jail for?
@@ishiblack7497That's not how Japanese Visas work. No jail time, that's ridiculous, and she can stay in Japan as long as she's getting an income and that includes unemployment insurance payments and self employment. Getting the Japanese visa in the first place is the hard part, actually keeping it after is quite easy.
@@Pasu4 In Japan moment when your visa gone, they see you as criminal. When visa expired, you just have time to leave until end of day. Instant cancel visa put you in more f up situation. Imagine you set up home there and sudenly you have no time to move out. They gonna put you in deportation jail and put masive punishment cost on you to pay, and you gonna banned in Japan from 1 to 5 years.
They've dug their own grave with this stunt
Nah, they all jumped into an active volcano
Fr there’s now way Niji or any liver will be able to come back from this. It’s over for them.
@@honeyedpeaches it is, as I've expected.
Once Selen goes, they'll begin to fall apart.
What I did not expect was the way it would.
I thought they'd fall apart slowly you know?
They're accelerating everything this way, they're panicking and when you panic, you tend to make mistakes.
Now once Kyo leaves , we could expect more to follow suit, notably one or few of those we're talking about. Scarle might be next, probably terminated. They're just looking for reasons
@@JoCaTen if they didn’t continue to attack like this and continue to try and cover themselves up like this. If they did an investigation,issued a statement about the bullies of Selen and apologized. Things could be a lot better. But they didn’t. They’ll continue to refuse to do it and blame her. It’s just awful..
@@honeyedpeaches it is.
That's what happens when your ego is high.
Interesting to see the similarities how Niji addressed the terminations between Selen and Zaion in their respective streams:
1. The supposed "victim(s)" of the talent
2. The friend who felt gaslighted and manipulated by said talent.
3. The "friend" who's shocked by their fellow talents "actions" and how they felt betrayed.
4. How all of them "tried" to help their friend but was unwilling to listen and kept breaking rules.
All to purposely villify the talent and how they were in the right to terminate said talent.
They thought they'd be successful as they did with Zaion. But people caught up to it, and called them out for doing the same to Selen.
Its IDOL management tactics right out of the 80s. They really think that this would work in the internet age.
@@braddl9442Same with mainstream news organizations. They may be able to get away with it once or twice, but it can’t work forever due to the nature of the Internet. Given time, they will be caught in a big lie over and over again until more people stop believing them
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
If they hadn't used practicly the exact same play book people may not have noticed so quickly, but nijisanji management is clearly filled with lazy, borderline incompetent egotists.
They expected people to not believe Doki, just like they didn't believe Sayu. Imo the difference is, Doki as Selen was a lot less problematic and people were more willing to listen, + she was bigger and had more respect. Sayu as Zaion was terminated fairly quickly, and her problematic behavior like making jokes about grape, and shotacons rubbed people the wrong way and made her words fall on deaf ears.
for real... I hope that the talents involved are just unwilling meat shields that were kinda forced into it. Even then it doesn't fully absolve them of their actions but if they leave Niji and help sink that ship/get reconcilliation with Doki then I'll support them
The level of PR incompetence is enough to give somebody brain damage. A basic rule of PR is don't ever get people involved in a controversy or whatever who aren't already directly involved. Besides that, we have this trio of clowns claiming Nijisanji broke NDA to show them legal documents that they weren't authorized to see, followed by Nijisanji announcing that they investigated themselves and declared that they didn't do anything illegal. Either the clown are telling the truth about seeing the documents and the announcement is a lie, or the announcement about not doing anything illegal is true and the clowns lied about everything to do with the documents. Both cannot be true at the same time. They clearly didn't realize they caught themselves in a contradiction. Additionally, it's possible both are lying because the clowns lied about their own personal information being in the documents, when we now know that the documents only had Selen's personal information.
Its not PR incompetence if they are following the Kitagawa handbook on hiw to deal with former Idols.
"DRINK THE WATER IKE OR YOURE *FIIIIRED* "
It's not water. He was swallowing his pride before reading the script he had been handed.
They made their bed, and now have to lie in it, but can't say it doesn't hurt to see Elira do this. It's expected of Vox, but not of Elira and Ike.
with elira, me too.
I feel so bad for Elira, she 100% got pressured into doing this. She just does her own thing and is really drama free. But she always had the reputation of really following all management said, so I guess this time wasn't different.
@@pa5838 most likely, but im 100% sure. if she refused and actually did get terminated for it. the ppl would have supported her, just like they did selen.
Unless ofc she indeed is a bully in the first place and that somehow came it ( most likely by ppl asking for doki colabs and them not doing it for example)
but in the end, that timeline has already been gone in the void. after taking the stand she chose to take.
@pa5838 Elira is super easy to pressure, if you consider that she's living in Japan on work visa. The moment she get terminated, is basically the moment she loses her visa.
@@sya2711 "if she refused and actually did get terminated for it. the ppl would have supported her, just like they did selen"
This is entirely proven by the fact that Scarle, the only one to take some sort of stand against Niji, is actually gaining subscribers in contrast to every other Niji member. Siding with Selen here would actually be a boost to any of their careers, even if they have to go indie for it. The fact that they choose to side with Niji anyway says it all.
the rabbit hole for this goes sooooo deep and rack back to before the en branch was even established. it's kinda nuts how this clique infested niji and brought this downfall
THIS HAS BEEN BREED FOR 4 YEARS BUILDING UP
THE LORE IS MAKING ITSELF A REALITY
I have not keeped up with the lore, care to fill me in?
@@jisa2712 Official lore: "Furthermore, she(Elira) was willing to betray her own half-sister Selen in order to ensure that a more peaceful way to restore the dragon race could be found."
I think there's also something about Zaion being a prophet who warned about imminent destruction, but I can't find Zaion's official lore to confirm.
@@Duamerthrax From the Virtual UA-camr Wiki, Zaion's lore was: "XSOLEIL Institute of Infinity 1st Year. Treasurer of the Student Council who came from the future. She hides her loneliness with a self-imposed goal of preventing the apocalypse."
Can you elaborate? I don't know anything about most livers' PLs or what happened before Niji EN?
can we all agree that, no matter what their reasons or intentions were, these 3 absolutely destroyed their careers?
Especially now NIJIEN is about to enter RIKU'S GREAT PURGE ARC.
As far as i i know, one has a japanese work visa and lives there, so yeah, this is probably realy a gunpoint situation, which just shows again how bad kurosanji is. Everyone will remember their voices if they dont have a voice changer. They used them as meatshields which is as bad as everything already is.
@@MrDoreius Niji can't do shit to her visa once it's already issued. Only the government could revoke it. If you lose your job while in Japan on a work visa, you can stay until it expires to find a new job. This has been said by multiple people who live in Japan over the last days.
@@lonelystrategos coruption is everywhere
@@lonelystrategos Holy shit man finally someone who understands visas. I've been trying to correct people on this shit for days. The sheer amount of people who think that Elira could just lose her visa instantly is insane. Thank god at least someone else understands.
I still can't believe that stream happened. Prior to it, we all had the ability to separate the talents from the agency. But as soon as Elira, Vox, and Ike, spoke, and the other talents RT'd the stream and some added their own words via tweets to it, talents and agency became one entity. A bad entity.
The Gurrat had spoken
Management puppeted some of the talent's accounts to retweet, right? There are rumors of a Japanese asterisk being included in them.
@@cryforhelp7270 it's just a rumor and has nothing to do with Japanese keyboard / etc.
I have the same - '
そして - ’
You kinda need to switch exactly to katakana/hiragana to get such '. It doesn't work if you just use Japanese keyboard when you type in English, even if your locale is also Japanese.
What people found out is that you can have that asterisk also if you are using apple device or iphone. So could be talent / management, could also be pc / iphone which doesn't cancel talent / management pair at all.
Also someone brought I think Millie twits - and either it was nitpicking or actual thing, but she kinda has "two styles" (like often using "..." - and then suddenly none). But ' and ’ is present in both "styles".
If you had a gander at the Grand Unifying Rrat theory (GURRAT, can't give a link but Depressed Nousagi went through it on his channel today) this hit piece stream makes a lot more sense if the rrat is even partly true. It makes a fascinating read, even if it is false.
Drop accusations without context, then says don't ask us for any additional inforamtion about the situation we created for ourselves. Any question should be sent to corporate. That is mental. Corporate should be the only ones responding so they can take direct questions. Its like you push someone to the floor from their back and then say don't push me back. Their PR team must have just graduated from high school.
Ike: "please do not spread hate"
Say that to your company right now
lol This is a learning experience for others, if you aren’t sure what to say about anything, just don’t say anything - and if you’re being threatened (possibly) then you should report that openly as there are others who could also be at risk.
Oh well…at least we know now.
It pisses you off because it’s fake as all fuck, the “clear the throat and take a sip” thing is textbook speech preparation on the stand at a trial, it’s how you’re meant to come across after it and you’re not meant to be able to replay it over and over.
I like to think they had a black screen because if their model was up they would have been blinking in Morse code.
Or they admit they're a black company because their screen is black
Or even something simpler, "Blink Twice if You're in Danger"
@@FlocAud4914They don't need morse code. The background is black, this already says everything.
They have only themselves to blame for this. They could have de-escalated and let it go at any point.
But they didn't.
They could have just given her the quiet graduation she wanted, and the worst they would have gotten would have been some halfhearted grumbling.
But they didn't.
They could have terminated her with a simple vague "irreconcilable differences" statement with nothing more said and they would have only gotten mild backlash that would have died down after a week or two.
But they didn't.
No, they choose to go about it in the most petty and vindictive way they could. They had to be the ones to get in the last word, they had to do everything they could to try and drag her reputation through the mud. They are using the same playbook they did with Zaion almost step for step and people are noticing.
Nijisanji made their bed and now they have to reap the consequences of their own actions.
At this point they will have to start streaming with Members only which is something Ike ended up doing now as we speak which is ashamed but this is something he and the other brought upon themselves
that wont work either even the members during the originak stream were attacking there scummyness.
making it members only might just remind more people to quit being members.
@@housewilma4904 it also just show that even Elira and Ike fanbase aren't happy about what going on hell even what they did. They will defend them but they are definitely not happy the only delusional fanbase are Vox Fans whom act like he did nothing wrong.
nah its weirdly the reverse vox is getting heavily critszed in his comments so is elira.
but ikes is literally ALL POSTIVE comments saying boo hoo poor you in some form or another.
hes getting literally ZERO consquences for what he did to the point hes the only one of the 3 to do a stream since.
which he did this morning to PURE POSTIVITY ew.@@dcoker9738
I always thought it was weird that Elira, Enna, and Millie are RL friends pre-niji and somehow managed to get in on the ground floor of niji EN.
Referring friends isn't always a bad thing, but if "The Clique" rrat is true, it's a glaring example of why nepotism is stigmatized.
Even if they had to do this against their will, they still had the option to quit and walk away.
Right? Ironically, what Vox said about Selen in the stream, seemed perfectly fitting. They could have walked away. What they did here was truly distasteful, forced or not, I can’t stand behind this behaviour. Nijisanji is a coward for hiding behind their livers but I was really disappointed to see the livers pulling this. Absolutely disgusting behaviour.
Elira's kinda trapped at the moment. She's in Japan with a work visa that Niji is providing. If I was put in a corner like that, I might offer my channel, but be making arrangements to leave within a week, then torpedo the company with a tell all. If she's gone soon and explains what was coerced, I could see her rebounding.
@@Duamerthrax I had that thought as well but I'm not too sure at this point.
Well tbh, I do think it's possible to force someone to do something. I don't think they just decided to take this risk because "let's go woohoo it's gonna be fun". That's what I get from other people reacting to the drama (Nux, Koefficient, Moist, Asmongold,...) but at the same time everybody act like they're better... while I'm not sure a lot of people are ready to quit their job tomorrow. And I don't even know if it's possible or not that they could legally bound to stay or do something like that
But that's just to play the devil's advocate. and trying to understand everyones point of view too. The whole mess is so strange. Everyone is so sure of themselve... especially the community
Technically true but quitting your job is a big decision as not having a sure income, even for a short time between work, is a scary prospect and we know Niji doesn't give their talents anything. Plus this isn't a retail job we're talking about; there was years of creative effort and building their base involved. There's a personal connection that just doesn't exist in other jobs. I know I'd struggle to leave a character I spend years as.
Even If Doki won't sue, the fact that this video violates so MANY laws including Japan and Canadian, they can still PURSUE for out of Court DAMAGES as well as get the Nijisanji en legal team DISBARRED for spreading confidential documents
I don't think it would go as far as being disbarred. A fine and a permanent record on the bar association, however...
Nobody would side with them, it's a lost cause. Elira and her clique is moonlighting as the management. All hail the GURRAT.
@@daedalron depends on the decision of the Judge or board. But yeah. It would definitely stain the lawyers rep
@@gurugurumawaru7869 unfortunately there's still a LOT of BOT supporters Niji En not to mention a certain Vtuber duo streaming Doki as the "BAD One" for breaking management rules
@@christian1neza1656 Yes, it would definitely hurt their rep, but unless they've done prior shit before, I don't see a disbarment possible.
You have to do A LOT before getting disbarred, as Trump lawyers have proven this past few years...
"I think they're arrogant."
Unquestionably. You know corporate was patting each other on the back and handing out high-fives when they came up with this brilliant idea.
Friends likes these, who need enemies
Is it weird that I feel tremendous levels of guilt for Elira being my Nijisanji oshi for so many years? I've legit felt sick to my stomach the past few days for ever supporting this monster... I feel betrayed...
I hear you I feel so blindsided by her doing this that I'm just waiting to find out that Rosemi is actually a serial killer in disguise
@@TheFuriouscinnabun What you mean in disguise?
I feel you friend mine is/was Ike and the amount of copium I am inhaling is insane. (It was made a little easier to handle with Doki's last statement) but man the sucker punch when Ike started talking.
@@pandoraelfe3373 I feel like we need to set up a support group for every (ex-)fan involuntarily huffing copium.... You know, help each other get over this😭
Edit: by 'this' I mean the feelings of betrayal and the loss of comfort and stuff like that
I don't think you should feel guilty, you couldn't have known. I've supported people who have turned out to really suck so I know how you feel, there's a lot of people out there who are good at manipulating and it's not easy to see. Personally I've only ever really watched Scarle but I did also like Vox and Ike, they seemed cool (not really anymore though). The best thing to do now imo is to support Dokibird for everything she went through, because damn. I don't like to consider this situation drama because of how serious it is, but more just keeps coming out and it's insane how Nijisanji is handling it
1:13 THIS!! 😭 I'm glad I'm not the only one who was put off by that part it felt so unprofessional!
I honestly don't understand how it's unprofessional... am I the only one? I mean, I don't udnerstand why taking a sip is something everybody seems to get triggered by it. Well not that I was a big fan of Ike but it's so weird to me that that's something even worth ranting about
@HaydenNK3 taking a sip of water at that time in particular could mean multiple things:
1. (best case) Ike was pressured by kurosanji to read off a script and was hella nervous so he took the sips of water and clear his throat to shake off his nerves
2. It was prerecorded and then posted as live, so he wouldn't have been able to drink water as elira or vox were talking
3. (bad ending) Ike wanted to gain sympathy by drinking water, acting like he was distraught in an attempt to garner support (probably forced by kurosanji)
@@bepe4279 That's a lot of assumption from just a sip, but I can't deny there is some logic behind it.
In any case, I still feel like it's a bit much to be triggered by that specifically. My first reaction to seeing Rev (and other) mentionning the sip was "whut? No but guilty conscience or not, not everything they do is evil or malicious"
@@HaydenNK3 You are right in that sense, however there was good reason to react to the sip of water, as it was oddly placed and felt unnatural. I speculated and theorized way too hard for sure, though lol
I expected better from Elira. As a founding member of their EN branch and an overall cool person as far as I had seen, I had hoped she would be a voice of reason, or at least abstain from this. It seems I had expected too much.
Ike:"don't spread hate. Its only okay for us to do that."
Niji: "We don't condone bullying of any kind... But also f**k Selen"
What gets me is the worst they could accuse her of is not being cooperative, yet they act like she slandered the company. Thing is one of those is plausible while the other one still has not been proven, WHILE violating the privacy of the document between lawyers.
Elira, Ike and Vox in my opinion may have been told to do this against their will, yet it does not in any way exempt them from being complicit to Niji’s attack against Doki. Hate to say it, they’re making that bed, and they’ll lie on it with management.
Naaaaw they didnt do all this against their own will. They had a choice and decided that the money bag was more important than doing the right thing.
Management probably lied or mislead them. Vox did say “what I know now” and talk about “context” still bad but they might be gullible not evil
This *could* be the case, but after listening to a lot of conversations around this; I’m under the assumption that these three were shown these documents because they were mentioned in it by name.
They most likely told on themselves that they were ones “bullying”/harassing Doki
@@Mikoto86 whether or not that is true, they still broke NDA, not to mention I’m very certain revealing a patient’s files is outright illegal. I’m not a nurse or anything, that’s the basics of being malicious.
also some only use this as a license to be bullies and they don't even know about vtubers
Realizing something that more or less exposes the hypocrisy and disingenuous words: even for how much they're throwing Selen under the bus, they never even gave Zaion the courtesy of saying "don't harass anyone involved here". Ren was the only one tmk who actually tried to discourage harassment against Zaion
It’s crazy the way they’ve treated Selen this entire time💀 truly hope the best for her as Doki!
"i dont know what to say or how to say so ill just open my mouth and see what comes out " - IKE 2024
There's almost definitely a lot of this story that most people will never know, but this much, I think, is clear and open:
Decisions were made.
They were, to borrow a convenient quote, stupid-ass decisions.
“It’s an issue for the lawyers.”
No, no, no. It was an issue for the lawyers. And then your company and you made it public.
I don't usually care about these things, but something about Doki's situation struck a nerve, probably that it only happened in the first place because everyone was either a bystander or enabling it, it continued for that reason, and it didn't even stop after she left because her abusers and the bubble they live in enabling them are just that full of themselves.
Best of luck to Doki, and to anyone else that has been treated similarly.
They should have started with "it's in the hands of the lawyers" and then stopped the stream.
But they tacked it on at the end lol
Also something I just realized, Ike said that “all of us will continue to provide a safe and fun environment *for fans* to enjoy together”.
Notice he only said “for fans” and not “for fellow livers and fans” or something to that effect. Thanks for confirming that they wont be treating their talents any better bro 😂🤦♂️
Yup i like noctix and a few other but every before luxuim i don't subscribe to them
i heard some of the livers ar Kurosanji were being used as translaters for other livers since kurosanji didnt have more then 2 or so english speakers. this would explain alot of dokis og claims that there were mismanagement issues and bullying coming from other livers since they can direcly control others messeges to Niji if they dont speak or write Japanese
Yup
'Taking a sip of water' can very well be equivalent to 'adjusting the camera' in apologies video
1:15 "Throat-clearing accompanied by an Adam's apple jump occurs as a result of cognitive overload and the fight-or-flight response. Liars tend to clear their throat due to the effects of cognitive overload and the flight-or-flight response."
Rev, look into the GURRAT, or Grand Unified Rrat. It makes sense of this entire mess from the beginning of NijiEN. I'm not one for 4chan bullsh!ttery but the GURRAT makes WAY too much feckin' sense to not be ignored. From Elira's clique with Enna and Millie, to Selen's bullying allegations and 2 apparent attempts on herself, Sugo and Zaion's terminations, the favouritism towards Luxiem (Vox and Ike in particular), the whole enchilada. There's a Rentry page for it, since 4chan jannies are trying to sweep this and memoryhole it (the Streisand effect is most DEFINITELY in play here).
You cant read the GURRAT and not come away thinking it makes sense. It just ticks so many boxes.
I disagree. It does not make sense and it should not be spread for a reason. You have to consider that it's the perfect material for unhinged trolls to spread.
@@pitfriend found a bully here
@@pitfriend I makes sense... until you look at the timing of it. And then it pretty heavily falls apart.
True or not, this theory will unfortunately prolong the storm until some livers decides graduate.
Doki may want to move on but she can't control others that keeps on digging, until they feel vindicated.
1:44 “SiP tHe WatEr ikE”
I’m done 😂
"My Little Liver: Friendship is Bullshit"
It is even worse when they took, close to 10 minutes to even mention doki self harm attempts, but yet some how they where the víctims??
To be fair I'm pretty sure "I have a hard time finding the proper words" and possibly him taking a drink was in the script they're reading.
Sheesh... I knew Nijisanji was going to sink, but never did I expect them to burn themselves further on their own yacht built from the masses of their most "beloved" livers. Vox, Ike, and Elira will most likely leave their black stain on the internet for what they did to Selen / Dokibird, while Dokibird is thriving from the support she's getting.
"Selen was a good friend of mine and fun to work with"
...LIAR!! (in ankain skywalker voice)
YOU ARE WITH HIM! *points to Niji*
What's crazy is that even if (in the extremely unlikely case) Selen made everything up or exaggerated certain aspects, as I've seen some random people out there speculate, it would literally change nothing. You could argue that it would make NijiEN look even worse out of the sheer incompetence of getting out PR'd by a single person and her lawyer
I think the funny detail here is that... Selen / Doki actually didn't say anything new almost. Like pretty much niji just self reported before she had a chance to say anything. And new things she said like not paying for projects - were confirmed by various artists. Also it wasn't that important in whole situation.
Other things - they say "mental health issues", she say "suicide attempt". They say "was bullied by other liver" - she said "toxic environment" without specifying management or liver or any details.
And also niji never tried to refute or object anything Doki said - they just try to say that "she is bad and gets what she deserved! And we are good and victim here!". They say "she is lying!" but they never specify what exactly is a lie. Well obviously because it would lead to legal consequences.
This is Unfixable, Like the only thing is to clean house at this point and replace all management
They'll never going to have peace afterward, even if they all get terminated or graduated, they're still going to have this stigma forever, they'll never be forgiven. They may as well never come back to the Vtuber or Streaming space and even remove themselves as public figures entirely.
I'll go as far as to say as that they've ruined any and all prospects in the entire entertainment industry! They admit to breaching basic legal shit, openly slander a traumatized peer, and having the gall to claim that THEY are the victims here! Not even the blackest of hearts in Hollywood would even bother with such gullible idiots!
I'm happy to give Elira another chance in the future. I'm not a fan of Vox or Ike so I'm neutral on them. I don't believe in holding mistakes and bad choices over people forever, that's cancel culture BS and it's childish nonsense. I judge people by who they are now not who they where.
@@azamonra It's always the people that say they're above cancel culture who cancel people the hardest. At least Twitter freaks will give up after a day.
@@azamonra Nah.
Go read GURRAT.
She's unforgivable.
If she comes back as Nova I'll have fun with her.
@@azamonra Redemption is earned, not given. Always remember that this "mistakes" almost cost one of the most beloved and hard working person life in Vtubing endeavor. Until Nijisanji and co put an actual efforts to earn genuine forgiveness don't expect us to hold our breath.
elira, ike & vox: Starts singing Mark, Bob & Wade's we love the company song
Selen: The Niji managment will decide my fate.
Elira: I am a management.
Selen: Not yet.
im so dissapointed in the Japan bros i didnt want to belive it but the astroturfing campign for elira to stop her losing subs proved it.
Japan bros really do love companies not people and think workers should suffer in silence.
Could you fill me in on this?
That's the Social Conditioning there, do you know what breaks Social Conditioning like that? They must have something to compare it to that is better.
How do you do that? I'm glad you asked. They must learn a language of a country that treats it's people better. There's a reason why many of the Japanese students at universities learn English, French or German
elira subs were consitently dropping since the stream.
then it came out a bunch of japanese fans were doing rally campigns to "subscribe to niji to spite the western bullies"@@Explorerofshadows
Something something nail, something something hammered down.
Jp fandoms are known to be hardcore fanatics, look at what happened to kyoani and Hana kimura.
7:17
They made their line in the sand. 6ft below sea level in the ocean.
They honestly thought they could stab our girl in the back and push her to her breaking point and we would just stay silent?
There's no going back for the EN branch, they're done.
0:46 same, idk why but it just made me extremely angry
*SIP THE WATER, IKE*
The Kurosanji Civil War rages on
The VT Dance of Dragons 😅
take a shot everytime they use the word friend.... ER dude I kinda like living not die of alcohol poisoning
Regardless if they were part of the clique or the translators for the documents or been forced to do this by the company talent should have never made a statement. The hr or pr department should of made the statement. All this has done is label those who talked and those mentioned in the statement as the alleged bullies by the public. any hate towards those livers are earned by their disastrous statement with no proof and was debunked in doki in a more professional statement then theirs.
watching the way nijisanji has handled this at best is proof that they are extremely incompetent at their jobs and at worst blatantly trying to beat claims of bullying by continuing to bully a former employee in plain sight of everyone.
clearly no one over there has ever been informed that silence is golden.
the only other company that i can think of that i’ve been invested in with such bad PR is the WWE. the only thing that saved that company was having their owner Vince McMahon step down and then get bought by a bigger company. perhaps Nijisanji should think along those lines as well. the buck stops at the top, it’s time to get rid of the rotten management and replace them with competent people. that’s the only slim hope i see them having at this point.
The drinking thing was to make it seem like it wasn't actually pre-recorded.
I’m sure it was, even more worse somehow.
Gurrat eats well.
🎩
🐍 no step on snek! 🇺🇸🇭🇰
People don’t give these rrats enough credit. Too plausible now.
sorry but who is gurrat?
@@samthepancake69 gurrat stands for great/ grand unifying rrat. a rrat being a theory that is yet to be proven and a lot of rrats about nij were either proven or now highly likly to be true. the gurrat mainly says there is a clique and that some livers mainly elira are either part of mangement or have a lot of sway in mangement.
There is also another rrat that claims that they were involved in embezzlement.
Fun fact: the black screen video is the most viewed video on Elira's channel, and the first on her channel to reach one million views.
I was so happy watching old videos and montages of one of these vtubers. I didn’t have the opportunity to look and find out more about them, now I found out and I’m so disappointed, it’s so sad.
as a swedishman, i can confirm we dont want ike.
swedis me to.
You guys sure wanted the Nazis when you supplied their war machine with all that steel
58:10 time stamp 【ETHYRIA COLLAB ♡】 Puzzles & Zatsudan 【NIJISANJI EN | Enna Alouette】
Yikes. Sounds like Selen might've been in the outgroup. Very cliquey, very highschool.
Notice how Nina isn't laughing.
Yup she called someone an apex predator and was bashing her and milles amd elira behind her backs, possibly her communicating through management and they told elira and she told them remember that Selen talked about issues to management so how did she know that she was slandering her, reimou and nina just laughed so Nina being smart redirected the convo, milles laughed too, then Nina Left notice how the brightest personalities are all leaving, Yugo, Nina, Mysta, Zion, and kyo all left and they have personalities that they would speak up against things while those who are quiet and wouldn't speak up so easily are staying, Aia talked about quitting niji many times but was convinced too stay and Scarlet hearting the kurosanji comment may have been their wave speaking out against the clique, and niji Noctix seems like the middle group trying to protect the other talents look at his statements it seems like proper PR management like we know their guilty but listen to their side probably knowing that they will fail he's way to smart😂
They could just terminate Selen, and be done with it. This whole entire circus won't be happening.
They could have just given her the quiet graduation she wanted, and the worst they would have gotten would have been some halfhearted grumbling.
But they didn't.
They could have terminated her with a simple vague "irreconcilable differences" statement with nothing more said and they would have only gotten mild backlash that would have died down after a week or two.
But they didn't.
No, they choose to go about it in the most petty and vindictive way they could. They had to be the ones to get in the last word, they had to do everything they could to try and drag her reputation through the mud. They are using the same playbook they did with Zaion almost step for step and people are noticing.
Nijisanji made their bed and now they have to reap the consequences of their own actions.
Better that it does, imho. Actions need to have consequences. Some of the innocent talent may take some collateral, during all of this, but ultimately -- a company won't change for anything other than meeting Shareholder expectations. If the company is "hurting," then it will have a reason to make some changes, and hopefully improve the long-term employment situations of the talents.
Hold on a second...
*Crack open a cold one* crumples plastic b33R can
Im so Anggie Ike appears
"You opened this can of worms, so stop beating the dead horse and lie in it."
Slight correction: the actual title of that song from Helluva Boss is "2 Minute Notice."😂
the reason, i think, that you got so mad when he took a sip of water, was probably your mind recognizing how disingenuous whatever-his-name was being. Manipulators use other people's emotions against them, but a lot of the time your brain can tell the difference between someone faking or not, you just don't always know it consciously. It usually just presents like, that dude seems off.
i can hear Dokibird sing the last part of 'stayed gone' from hazbin hotel right now ;)
So much transparency...we can see right through them.
Beastie Boys - Fight for your right amplifies
Now that you mention it, that may not have been a paper script but a water bottle... damn, the thought never occurred to me
To me Rev, I'm more than happy that this livers showed their true colors. Vox was like a narcissist or sociopath from day one and after the video... And I have no shame to call him Homelander, as he's NijiEN's favorite
I had stfu by pink guy playing during that that stream. Seemed fitting
Kinda reminds me of Zaions genmates, publicly bootlicking the company and throwing her under the bus by making bad remarks on her and slandering her (Kotoka, Hex and Ver).
Really kotoka Ver and hex spoke out against her i never seen doppio or meleco say anything bad about her
@@brian_Austin27 True, sorry for not clarifying.
They presented themselves as faceless voices in the dark uniting under a common cause so clearly this is how they want to be seen. I respect their decision and their wishes and thus will refer to them as accomplices 1 through 3 going forward (in order of appearance in the video) 🙄
If you took a shot every time they said "friend", you would die
They won't fix it, but people will forget.
That transparency i can feel it those masks coming off showing where they stand i am glad
It's a small thing I only thought of recently, and not to overly defend their actions, but I have heard that there are contracts where you can be sued if you break the contract early. Granted they could still have refused to cooperate and gotten fired on purpose, but it sounds as if several of them were hired young and maybe indoctrinated into a toxic work culture. idk. I really am curious to see if any of them jump ship at the earliest possible opportunity and come clean.
Yeah they probably aren't allowed to graduate before their contracts run out
Thx for the video - it's extremely accurate on what many of us, including me, were feeling 1st time hearing this BS, imho.
I'm sincerely hoping that, through whatever legal means they follow, it comes out that the management folk tampered with those documents before showing them to the other livers. I know the odds are astronomical at best, but I want to believe that they tried this to coerce those three into making that "statement" more easily.
Petty high school bs, and if rumours are to be believed that's exactly how Niji EN is run.
One part of Ike’s statement that’s confused me from the start is when he says “within Nijisanji EN everyone always makes an effort to make sure that anyone that wants to be included in something has the opportunity to do so, whether that be online or offline.”
What was that in reference to? It felt like such a random non-sequitur. I feel like it’s meant to be a jab directly at something included in Doki’s legal document regarding the harassment.
Remember: do not spread hate...starting... now!
hope elira gets a creepy manager after her now that shes shown shes willing to do ANYTHING AT ALL to keep her visa.
I KNEW I WASN’T THE ONLY ONE THAT GOT IRRITATED BY THE WATER BREAK
I swear I thought I was going insane not hearing anyone else point it out
Says nothing = 'transparency'
Can't believe a legal document has their actual names
"Do not spread hate" they say, while hating on Selen
"This is a thing for lawyers" they say, after having publicized this crap
Actual stupidity. Idiocy. Lunacy.
It's baffling that people can be this dumb.
I always pull out a sandwich 2min into my presentations.
Need to reach the minimum time to get a passing grade :')
Unconfirmed rumor about 2 or 3 years ago niijien management left and the talent behind elira took over as nijien management
a lot of people still believe that everything would be back to normal and people would just shrugged this off like other's ex livers graduation and termination
but i feel like those people don't understand how SEVERE the damage is. i used to be an avid watcher of ike and vox (mainly ike) but that video that they posted is just soooooo sickening to me to the point i experience physical and mental discomforts (my stomach litterally hurt when i watched the video)
the manipulation, betrayal, and lies that came out of their mouth is pure disgusting
friend MY ASS
I DON'T DO THAT TO MY FRIENDS AND VICE VERSA
Step by step process how they can recover
1. Retract that Elira video
2. Admit mistakes specifically management mistakes
3. Fire incompetent managers
4. Admit that the livers are forced or victims (even if they are not)
5. Put NijiEN under direct management of Anycolor
6. Let talents who wanted to graduate, graduate on good terms
7. Overhaul and restructuring. Better rates for talents and better royalty on merchandise.
8. Be transparent