I live in the south of France. This extraordinary lady has touched the hearts of all of us. I personally cried buckets reading of her ordeal over so many years. I Have never been sickened so much. France is still basically a very misogynistic society which hides behind a cloak of freedom and respect for the individual. It is no accident that her ex. husband found so many men easily within an easy radius of where they lived in rural France. Giselle's courage has known no bounds. My heart goes out to you Giselle and we thank you for shining a true light on France and French society. And thank you for your calm dignity and and truth during this ordeal. France will not forget it - you have changed this society for the better and you will never be forgotten. The lid is off the box.
Thank you for saying this as I’m English and being in France I felt how you expressed yet felt I didn’t have the right to say it , yet globally we need to call out how this all needs to stop
It means a lot to me to hear a man talk on this subject the way you did. As a woman from the US where as a country we are celebrating misogyny once again. My confidence, respect and trust in men is so low. This was well done, sweet and gives me hope.
Brilliant episode. I’m American watching from the states and I wish we could have these heart wrenching conversations here but this story has barely gotten coverage. THIS is what listening to women looks like. Thank you for this episode!
I do not lack courage. I just have nowhere to turn. I tried. The police even had CCTV at one point but did nothing. Those monsters have gone on to perform at music festivals. I dread to think how many they've attacked. Justice came to Gisele and I'm glad for her, but that's unique.
It is important to note that the vast majority of victims and survivors do not have the thoroughgoing evidence Gisèle has. People are not believed and are treated with great disrespect if they come forward to report. In Gisèle’s hideous case, those who would normally not believe and who would act disrespectfully HAD to alter THEIR behaviour. It was not possible to treat her in this way. Not a case of “his word against hers” as it is so often. People were forced to believe her and to put the blame where it always belongs
This is a step often taken by someone who has lost everything and nothing more to lose so she just walks through fire. Also a MOTHER who sees the need to somehow protect her children and grandchildren, which only a mother can do.
This is such an horrific episode: Why are we not dissecting the mindset and thinking of all the men who participated in such unthinkable behavior? Granted, Gisele is an amazing woman, but, come on -- her husband's sentence was only 20 years? And the rest of the men, less than that? You men who are fathers, sons, brothers, what are you saying about this incomprehensible behavior from one of your own? What will you do about it in the future?
Mysogony is everywhere,even judges asking a victim how they were dressed,women are hysterical all the innuendos women have to put up with,Women have had to explain themselves,did you lead the man on? Theres too many to mention,judged on any mental health issues in the past? Attention seeking..etc.,
A shoutout to her caring, empathetic, legal team who were there for her. You can tell they truly cared for her and wanted justice too. That is a complicated trial that they had the pressure to get right.
_"Yes, I am wise, but it's wisdom born of pain._ _Yes, I've paid the price, but look how much I've gained._ _If I have to, I can do anything._ _I am strong._ _I am invincible._ _I am woman."_ {:o:O:}
10:48 This is quite disrespectful, to try to take the victim's mind apart... 'Why is she so strong?' is a weird question, like she's expected to be weak. Why would she be? Are all women still expected to be weak? Care more about justice and most importantly prevention! So why did he do this to her? It's got nothing to do with HER being weak or inferior. HE violated her SELF, body, marriage, trust, dreams, life trajectory, surely friends & family, too ... PS: But then, I've never understood the shame regarding this, they did nothing wrong! I can get maybe not getting enough support and healing, but the perpetrators and anybody who refused to help or looked away should be the ones to feel ashamed!
Madame Pelicot's courage, bravery and quiet dignity has humbled me beyond words. I truly wish for her peace and happiness. I thank her for helping the world see that the shame is for the perpetrators and not the victims. 🙏🏼🌟
What survivors know is that what also was exceptional is that this was exposed by the police first, and that there was video documentation. This was not through her legal initiation, but by police action. She was still not aware of what had happened to her. This placed her as a clear victim. Many of these situations are more complex and messy, as we know. Without this exception she would probably have been fobbed off by the legal system as so very many of us have been. By the time we stand in court, the bruises and physical damage is not visible. By the time the evidence rolls out the law does often see the man as the victim of her retaliation.Most times there is no "evidence", because of trauma and shame that drives a very vulnerable woman into understandable defensive withdrawal. Of course her decision to lift the in camera convention for these cases is profound, and we are deeply grateful for the opportunity this has offered all women to lift the lid on acts so pervasive and so deeply in denial by most men. Women for the most part know or sense that men as a generalised grouping are dangerous, opportunistic and all too comfortable with sleeze. Men talking about this is important. Thank you.
Thank you James. I'm lessening my experience but I am stuck since I heard my perpetrator being interviewed on Saturday Live on R4. Strength to all the affected women. You're fabulous.
1:03:58 This woman knows what's up! The looking the other way out of respect but being misunderstood, being accused or deemed to not need help, trying to become independent citizens... Trying to keep up your courage and keep explaining. It's so hard and exhausting! Any traumatised person will be very defensive to protect themselves... For a reason. 👏👏👏 She understood how it works! Support! All of this can be helped and rectified!
Victim shame is systemic. Unfortunately it’s one of the most powerful emotions and causes so many physical and mental challenges for victims. Removing shame would force society to look into the dark corners. What we see we cannot unsee. It’s also dangerous because society will want to close the lid on that box again.
I think that what speaks to women is the strength of women that is different from men. so many men say that men are stronger because they are bigger and physically stronger but much of women's strength is quiet. It's the taking care of things that are unglamorous day in and day out, managing the emotions of others even when you don't have the bandwidth, listening to the men (like the perpetrators) say that they didn't do anything wrong, the ability to be happy despite society telling them that they are worthless for whatever reason . Gisele said that she is strong in her own way. Women (and I hope me too) can draw strength from her not to be just like her but to embrace their strength, whatever that means. Please don't take this as an all men situation. I know not all men are physically strong, I know that many men have a strength of character as I described above, but women's strength and men acknowledging women's strength doesn't negate men's strength. We can all be strong in our own way as humans.
The focus should always be on preventing such horrific crimes from happening in the first place. Protecting a survivor’s identity after the fact is important, but it comes too late to address the real issue. We need systemic changes to ensure these atrocities are not just punished but prevented altogether. Every survivor deserves justice and the freedom to reclaim their story, whether they choose anonymity or public identification.
James, ask yourself if this was happening to your mother and your father. In addition, your mother decided to take the same decision as Gisèle. Would you still ask the same questions ?
It should. It should also make male's understand why women choose the bear. It should also stop male's making vile derogatory comment's about her and to all women, but it hasn't.
12:09 It might sound profound. But that's not how it is! That's clearly a traumatized person speaking. We are not all her! i.e have been in a situation like hers.
How did she do it, you ask? Dignity, I say. This is French woman and French women wherever we find them exude dignity, don't they. In Madame Pelicot's case her age will probably also have matured her dignity. If she thought to herself "it's their dignity that's at issue, not mine", then I wouldn't be surprised.
You use the work magnificent to describe these crimes...do not use words that have positive conotations. These crimes are horrific, devistating and mind boggling, there's nothing positive about this case.
The one going on about women being assaulted by western forces. So why is it I would only feel safe in certain countries which are mainly in north Europe or places where those people are from when travelling alone?
I feel for all these women and females that has been graped,$uxually assaulted but imagine the boys and men that got it happened to them by women..it was happening to a friend of mine in high school and we laughed at him because it was to us that women can't do it to boys/men and as teenagers boys that like a fantasy to having a mature,older woman come you but as an adult it happened to me and was laughing at by the police when I tried to make an report..so this is sad but so many victims of all genders has the society shame fear on us..
@@scrappedlives sadly it does and apologies if it sounded like I'm down playing it but just imagine how it feels..none of us should have these things happen or feel this way..
@ i don’t have to imagine it. I lived it, like probably every other woman. And you’ll never get over it. Even 45 years later, when a trial like this is in the news, you relive it.
@scrappedlives F... I'm so sorry and sadly there's never any justice because even if these monsters are arrested, locked away the trauma stays.. like a someone broke into your home even if they didn't take any thing physical they took your mental safety..it's heartbreaking and to hear people defend them or blame the victims even try to down play it tell a victim when or how get over it..smh..
Purely Mystery Hour question: Did we get an answer to the dog in the bamboo question? Cos just the day before my neighbour Jake said to look at Benji. The neighbour's dog was in a trance walking around some pampas grass, very similar to bamboo. It was odd. We put it down to something in dog's evolution. Appreciate any answer :)
James, no one cares that you are sorry...it sounds so condescending, like it matters to anything that you are sorry!. No one needs your pity. A respectful silence will suffice.
In a conversation you respond. That’s a sign that you are listening, a sign of respect. And saying I feel sorry for you is showing empathy. Why are you shaming someone who wants a genuine conversation about a horrific crime done to a remarkable woman.
I live in the south of France. This extraordinary lady has touched the hearts of all of us. I personally cried buckets reading of her ordeal over so many years. I Have never been sickened so much.
France is still basically a very misogynistic society which hides behind a cloak of freedom and respect for the individual. It is no accident that her ex. husband found so many men easily within an easy radius of where they lived in rural France.
Giselle's courage has known no bounds. My heart goes out to you Giselle and we thank you for shining a true light on France and French society. And thank you for your calm dignity and and truth during this ordeal. France will not forget it - you have changed this society for the better and you will never be forgotten. The lid is off the box.
Thank you for saying this as I’m English and being in France I felt how you expressed yet felt I didn’t have the right to say it , yet globally we need to call out how this all needs to stop
It means a lot to me to hear a man talk on this subject the way you did. As a woman from the US where as a country we are celebrating misogyny once again. My confidence, respect and trust in men is so low. This was well done, sweet and gives me hope.
Agree
I'm sorry 😞 😔 😟 🙁.
Brilliant episode. I’m American watching from the states and I wish we could have these heart wrenching conversations here but this story has barely gotten coverage. THIS is what listening to women looks like. Thank you for this episode!
Yeah I’m in the states too and coverage of this case is nonexistent
I do not lack courage. I just have nowhere to turn. I tried. The police even had CCTV at one point but did nothing. Those monsters have gone on to perform at music festivals. I dread to think how many they've attacked.
Justice came to Gisele and I'm glad for her, but that's unique.
My heart goes out to you. Name these men on social media; more women may come forward.
It is important to note that the vast majority of victims and survivors do not have the thoroughgoing evidence Gisèle has. People are not believed and are treated with great disrespect if they come forward to report. In Gisèle’s hideous case, those who would normally not believe and who would act disrespectfully HAD to alter THEIR behaviour. It was not possible to treat her in this way. Not a case of “his word against hers” as it is so often. People were forced to believe her and to put the blame where it always belongs
“I’m not a victim anymore, I’m a survivor.” I loved that woman’s testimony and input.
She did it for all women, before and after.
Brilliant show- all these women metaphorically taking their glasses off and letting their eyes resolutely shine. And hats off to Eleanor!!
Let's not forget more men were involved but not identifiable so it was more than 50.
I’ve heard reported close to 70.
I heard 90 but police couldn't identify them.
This is a step often taken by someone who has lost everything and nothing more to lose so she just walks through fire. Also a MOTHER who sees the need to somehow protect her children and grandchildren, which only a mother can do.
On behalf of my two daughters I say thanks to the lady and to Mr O"Brien for speaking out.🙏🙏🙏
Gisele Peicot has disowned the shame expeccted of wonen, and placed it where it belongs, with the perpetrators.
Yes. I am very sorry.
Victiims might have more courage, if the convction rate ws higher.
They would have the courage if the police, lawyer's, court's and people, mainly male's, didn't retraumatise them.
If anyone believed us. I have close people who refuse to believe that I was assaulted by someone they think is gods gift.
This is such an horrific episode: Why are we not dissecting the mindset and thinking of all the men who participated in such unthinkable behavior? Granted, Gisele is an amazing woman, but, come on -- her husband's sentence was only 20 years? And the rest of the men, less than that? You men who are fathers, sons, brothers, what are you saying about this incomprehensible behavior from one of your own? What will you do about it in the future?
The most important point.
I think she is heroic but her being heroic doesn't make other victims not heroic. There are many ways to ro be heroic.
Mysogony is everywhere,even judges asking a victim how they were dressed,women are hysterical all the innuendos women have to put up with,Women have had to explain themselves,did you lead the man on? Theres too many to mention,judged on any mental health issues in the past? Attention seeking..etc.,
Chosing between bear and man i will allways prefere the bear 😢
A shoutout to her caring, empathetic, legal team who were there for her. You can tell they truly cared for her and wanted justice too. That is a complicated trial that they had the pressure to get right.
Remarkable is to small a word for this woaman,may the rest of her life be wonderful
She is us and we are her. No truer words!
_"Yes, I am wise, but it's wisdom born of pain._
_Yes, I've paid the price, but look how much I've gained._
_If I have to, I can do anything._
_I am strong._
_I am invincible._
_I am woman."_
{:o:O:}
10:48 This is quite disrespectful, to try to take the victim's mind apart... 'Why is she so strong?' is a weird question, like she's expected to be weak. Why would she be? Are all women still expected to be weak? Care more about justice and most importantly prevention! So why did he do this to her? It's got nothing to do with HER being weak or inferior. HE violated her SELF, body, marriage, trust, dreams, life trajectory, surely friends & family, too ...
PS: But then, I've never understood the shame regarding this, they did nothing wrong! I can get maybe not getting enough support and healing, but the perpetrators and anybody who refused to help or looked away should be the ones to feel ashamed!
Her honour: because that indicates strength of the body and spirit and mind…
Madame Pelicot's courage, bravery and quiet dignity has humbled me beyond words.
I truly wish for her peace and happiness. I thank her for helping the world see that the shame is for the perpetrators and not the victims. 🙏🏼🌟
She's absolutely amazing 😢
Tough Listening But Essential .
What survivors know is that what also was exceptional is that this was exposed by the police first, and that there was video documentation. This was not through her legal initiation, but by police action. She was still not aware of what had happened to her. This placed her as a clear victim. Many of these situations are more complex and messy, as we know. Without this exception she would probably have been fobbed off by the legal system as so very many of us have been. By the time we stand in court, the bruises and physical damage is not visible. By the time the evidence rolls out the law does often see the man as the victim of her retaliation.Most times there is no "evidence", because of trauma and shame that drives a very vulnerable woman into understandable defensive withdrawal. Of course her decision to lift the in camera convention for these cases is profound, and we are deeply grateful for the opportunity this has offered all women to lift the lid on acts so pervasive and so deeply in denial by most men. Women for the most part know or sense that men as a generalised grouping are dangerous, opportunistic and all too comfortable with sleeze. Men talking about this is important. Thank you.
Thank you James. I'm lessening my experience but I am stuck since I heard my perpetrator being interviewed on Saturday Live on R4. Strength to all the affected women. You're fabulous.
We as women have ALWAYS noticed!!!!
How could her husband betray her trust, and do so in such a monstrous.way ? And he is the father of a daughter! Words fail me.
1:03:58 This woman knows what's up! The looking the other way out of respect but being misunderstood, being accused or deemed to not need help, trying to become independent citizens... Trying to keep up your courage and keep explaining. It's so hard and exhausting!
Any traumatised person will be very defensive to protect themselves... For a reason.
👏👏👏 She understood how it works! Support! All of this can be helped and rectified!
Principled dignity is part of the description.
I’m in my 50’s I remember a certain judge saying “ she wasn’t a angel “
Victim shame is systemic. Unfortunately it’s one of the most powerful emotions and causes so many physical and mental challenges for victims. Removing shame would force society to look into the dark corners. What we see we cannot unsee. It’s also dangerous because society will want to close the lid on that box again.
Yes that's because unlike other victims, she had hard evidence the other woman have nothing but their own account and shame😢
1:02:40 Break The Silence! That's right! 💜😊
The call really hit me at 11.10 all calls did I was crying 😢 then I was smiling 😊 as the amazing woman is now running a charity
I think that what speaks to women is the strength of women that is different from men. so many men say that men are stronger because they are bigger and physically stronger but much of women's strength is quiet. It's the taking care of things that are unglamorous day in and day out, managing the emotions of others even when you don't have the bandwidth, listening to the men (like the perpetrators) say that they didn't do anything wrong, the ability to be happy despite society telling them that they are worthless for whatever reason . Gisele said that she is strong in her own way. Women (and I hope me too) can draw strength from her not to be just like her but to embrace their strength, whatever that means. Please don't take this as an all men situation. I know not all men are physically strong, I know that many men have a strength of character as I described above, but women's strength and men acknowledging women's strength doesn't negate men's strength. We can all be strong in our own way as humans.
The focus should always be on preventing such horrific crimes from happening in the first place. Protecting a survivor’s identity after the fact is important, but it comes too late to address the real issue. We need systemic changes to ensure these atrocities are not just punished but prevented altogether. Every survivor deserves justice and the freedom to reclaim their story, whether they choose anonymity or public identification.
Goes all the way back to Adam and Eve. No one blamed the snake.
Pretty sure Genesis 3 blames the snake.
The first court scene in the movie "the devil's advocate"traumatized me from first time saw it years ago till now..
Why in the uk is it a common thing that if you lose a child and get the right press attention you get to make a law. It’s not a solid way to govern
We're always shocked
She can see the bigger picture and has a sense of duty to other women who have suffered.
James, ask yourself if this was happening to your mother and your father. In addition, your mother decided to take the same decision as Gisèle. Would you still ask the same questions ?
Still reading ‘she must have known in comments.
Disappointing men apologise for predators, it’s always the victims who are at fault
This particular story,just for once,should transcend the left versus right hostilites.
It should. It should also make male's understand why women choose the bear. It should also stop male's making vile derogatory comment's about her and to all women, but it hasn't.
Typical male response
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"your language may be a little Anglo Saxon," says JO'B. Double - German then James.
12:09 It might sound profound. But that's not how it is! That's clearly a traumatized person speaking. We are not all her! i.e have been in a situation like hers.
Beyond sad 😢
How did she do it, you ask? Dignity, I say. This is French woman and French women wherever we find them exude dignity, don't they. In Madame Pelicot's case her age will probably also have matured her dignity. If she thought to herself "it's their dignity that's at issue, not mine", then I wouldn't be surprised.
Obfuscate...Obfuscate...Obfuscate....
Years on , I still get scared of that mug. Either is James an elf or ... c'mon
The mug did bring a bit of light to an otherwise dark few hours of broadcasting.... i think i kinda want one
48:22 Not shocked.
What's arva pati?
You use the work magnificent to describe these crimes...do not use words that have positive conotations. These crimes are horrific, devistating and mind boggling, there's nothing positive about this case.
@twisted dance7773 He mentioned it at the time.
The one going on about women being assaulted by western forces. So why is it I would only feel safe in certain countries which are mainly in north Europe or places where those people are from when travelling alone?
I feel for all these women and females that has been graped,$uxually assaulted but imagine the boys and men that got it happened to them by women..it was happening to a friend of mine in high school and we laughed at him because it was to us that women can't do it to boys/men and as teenagers boys that like a fantasy to having a mature,older woman come you but as an adult it happened to me and was laughing at by the police when I tried to make an report..so this is sad but so many victims of all genders has the society shame fear on us..
But it still happens a lot more to women than to men.
@@scrappedlives sadly it does and apologies if it sounded like I'm down playing it but just imagine how it feels..none of us should have these things happen or feel this way..
@ i don’t have to imagine it. I lived it, like probably every other woman. And you’ll never get over it. Even 45 years later, when a trial like this is in the news, you relive it.
@scrappedlives F... I'm so sorry and sadly there's never any justice because even if these monsters are arrested, locked away the trauma stays.. like a someone broke into your home even if they didn't take any thing physical they took your mental safety..it's heartbreaking and to hear people defend them or blame the victims even try to down play it tell a victim when or how get over it..smh..
@@scrappedlives 'like probably every other woman'- you'll need to elaborate here.
Purely Mystery Hour question: Did we get an answer to the dog in the bamboo question? Cos just the day before my neighbour Jake said to look at Benji. The neighbour's dog was in a trance walking around some pampas grass, very similar to bamboo. It was odd. We put it down to something in dog's evolution. Appreciate any answer :)
2:22:18 is your timestamp.
Did you eat that bloke in the thumbnail
Argumentum ad hominem is a sign of cultism
I loved the days when kids loved their parents, cops were respected and boys were boys and girls were girls. For many of us, that is still true.
Relevance? 🤷🏻♀️
She's just a liar.
What???
Literally filmed
James, no one cares that you are sorry...it sounds so condescending, like it matters to anything that you are sorry!. No one needs your pity. A respectful silence will suffice.
In a conversation you respond. That’s a sign that you are listening, a sign of respect. And saying I feel sorry for you is showing empathy. Why are you shaming someone who wants a genuine conversation about a horrific crime done to a remarkable woman.
All incredibly strong women.❤