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God bless you Guys keep up the good work! Personally, I think there’s a difference between wanting approval and following your conviction. I also choose to make sure to also, follow my convictions and make sure I watch appropriate shows that are not inappropriate are going to make me lead into other ways. I feel like we’re also called as Christians to Protect ourselves and yes, everybody has different convictions and I believe if you have a conviction for something you should follow that
Keep up the good work Paul and Morgan. This world is turning into Sodom and Gomorrah....this woman is probably in full agreement with all things woke...from transitioning kids to using pronouns that don't correlate with birth gender/sex
@@virginianielsen3480 Broken, little girls like you with such a skewed view on Christianity and actual CHRISTIAN folks, don't last long in the real world. You're wasting your hateful words on such good, intelligent Christians as Paul and Morgan, lil' girl. Try educating and improving yourself, before spouting out such nonsense. :)
As a non American, these fundies are the weirdest yet the most fascinating thing. It’s like they suffer from collective psychosis, or like they try to turn their whole country into some sort of cult. It gives Sharia vibes. Also the fact that they don’t realize how insane their behavior is is fascinating. They are so comfortable with putting it all out there for the world to see. Its an an endless source of entertainment.
As an American I couldn’t agree with you more. It’s truly bizarre. And in most recent years these fundies have gotten super into politics and choose the worst of the worst people to support. If nothing else it IS entertaining but also infuriating.
@ultimately-sabrina The 'christians' making the most noise these days in US politics and, in general, as self- proclaimed 'conservatives' scream in one voice, "Give us Barrabas!"
It’s dangerous. These are the ignorant, rigid, self-righteous types of people they put into office - they’re so easy to manipulate when you merely say the right buzzwords. That’s how Trump got into office - doesn’t practice Christianity at all but says the buzzwords.
How many times have you told Morgan you weren't trying to sound mean while purposefully being awful? Do fundamentalists get divorced? Or is she just going to suffer being with you?
It’s giving “your momma” in argument terms. She makes some great points and you just say she’s fat. Keep putting child blocks on Netflix for yourself cus you clearly need it
This woman is a literal educated and certified mental health professional, who brings evidence and studies to back up her critiques, while you are what? A youtuber and “health and weight loss coach” who is insulted by a woman calling out the BS you spew to your followers as if you have the authority to do so? If you were interested and educated in health mental, physical and all things in between, you’d have never made this video or the one in question in the first place. Ps. Losing brand deals isn’t cancelling. You’re entitled to your opinions, but you’re not entitled to make money off of them. Brands exist to make money, and if their customers are telling them that partnering with you will harm that pursuit, they are right to drop you, no??
These people love capitalism and the free market until brands exercise their power to not sponsor them. These companies have decided that it is not profitable to sponsor these two yokels, and have acted accordingly.
"This woman is a literal educated and certified mental health professional" Lmao In Murica Where the academy and psychologists did everything possible to discredit Skinner's theses because muh fascism. Where Foucault and his thought is taken as the new bible. Where psychology is even more pseudoscience than in other countries lmao
Can you possibly try to make a point without body shaming someone? How is that relevant? Also just from a rhetorical style, ad hominem is not a good look. Mickey: makes point from her professional background about how conservative Christianity can have negative consequences. Paul: oh yeah? You're fat. Embarrassing dude
As a Christian how can you look at someone and judge them on their weight? Lots of people are different weight for different reasons. Disabilities, injuries, hypothyroid ,. You go directly to fat shaming. You are shaming some of your fan base and assuming just because someone is a little bit chubby they don't have self control. You should feel ashamed.
You want to stand up for him that's on you, but why? It's hurtful to people who try hard to eat healthy and have disabilities and don't deserve it. Honestly it doesn't really doesn't matter I'm just trying to spread some light that some people have different body types for a reason.
It’s the same mentality that they use with pregnancies; they go right away to assuming that the reason people get abortions is because they were careless with sex, completely disregarding the many physical and psychological reasons that some pregnancies result in. Perhaps it’s a lack of education but there must be a certain level of judgement to be so black and white in reasoning.
I'm a Christian, and I watched both your and Mickey's video. I don't feel I can speak much on this topic, as barely ever feel sexual attraction. That's not my vice. I do believe there's sexual immorality does exist, but I believe the Bible is talking about purposely looking down a person and objectifying their body for their own gratification. I think what Mickey is saying is that feeling sexual attraction or libido is normal and shouldn't be demonized by policing all of our thoughts. I agree with her, wouldn't you say that God has blessed us with the ability to bond with another person intimately, Paul? It's innately and biologically wired in our brains and isn't always Satan. There's more nuance to this, it's not always black and white. Just because you struggle with it doesn't mean that everyone else does. Some people could watch it and feel no lust at all. May God bless you with some wisdom and time to reflect on your words, which to me, came off a bit condescending and judgmental when you purposely called her by the wrong name to discredit her. You also focused on her weight rather than her words. Do you think this brings glory to God and His name? By saying you are Christian you are acting as a representative for God...please take the time to instead of focusing on being "right", to instead learn how to navigate the world in a healthy way while loving those around you, with God's true love. This should be the priority.
"Just because you struggle with it doesn't mean everyone else does." THANK YOU FOR CALLING THIS OUT. Sincerely, someone who also very rarely has sex on the mind. It's a spectrum like everything else.
I think the funniest part about Paul commenting on mickey’s body is that him and Morgan don’t exactly eat grilled chicken on kale for every meal? Y’all eat out a lot, eat frozen pizza, etc, but you consider that acceptable because you’re thin. Your body mass does not necessarily correlate to how healthy you are on the inside (especially for someone who is in recovery from an eating disorder like mickey and myself are - while you may have some one year certificate, it’s ability to understand the complexities of psychology and physiology when it comes to people struggling with their relationships with food clearly pales in comparison to both mickey’s understanding and credentials, and that of the psychology community as a whole)
The clips in this video make it painfully clear that Mickey is way more qualified to talk about mental health than Paul is to talk about religion and the Bible.
Literally Mickey grew up in a christian fundamentalist environment. She has lived through the damage the church inflicts, not to mention she only informs her videos with peer-reviewed research. Paul thinking he knows more that Drs and LCSWs is so indicative of how brainwashed he is.
Serious question - are you going to address Mickey’s points in any material way whatsoever or are you going to divert and focus on her weight in every video she rightly questions and criticizes you for. What happens if Morgan develops a chronic illness that brings her to a size that she may have never been before or anticipated to be? I’d be scared to see what ‘godly’ uplifting things you’d say in her direction.
I’d love to know how passing judgement on others based on their appearance or denigrating them falls into Christian values. If you feel your religion calls you to do these things….I think it’s safe to say something has gone awry. If you want to have a significant discussion about values, there was no reason to bring weight into it. The food discussion was just an analogy, it wasn’t nutrition or weight loss advice. All that does is highlight that you either aren’t willing or aren’t able to have any intelligent debate about this. Your attitude in this video isn’t “honoring to god”. Do better.
These people will never engage with content like Mickey’s in good faith. They have to keep up this toxic, prescriptive, fundamentalist messaging so they can keep selling merch and retain whatever relevance they have. I only hope people who watch their channel will be able to see Mickey’s in good faith and see her logic, empathy, and knowledge. Your “rebuttal” basically consisted of shaming her for her weight. I’m not surprised as a lot of the foundations behind your world views come from shame and judgement of yourself and others.
A few questions: What makes you qualified to interpret the World of God in a way that is more "correct" than progressive Christians? Do you know Hebrew or Greek? Do you study theology or philosophy or religion at university? Have you done research about the history of the Bible and of the culture it was written? Well, I have. I'm multilingual and I'm a student of philosophy currently studying it at university. You think the word is clear, but let me tell you that IT IS NOT! Do you know why? Because it's not even a word of today and it's not written in English. Some Hebrew words that the apostle Paul wrote were words he made up to describe an action and not a word that was established before it was written down by him. So it's not really a clear text! And I say this as a (progressive) Christian myself. Another question I have is why a fat woman can't give advice about food? I'm a fat woman myself and I have an illness that affects my joints and lungs and that's the reason I'm fat, not because I eat too much (I literally eat like an anorectic!) so don't be too fast to judge, because we don't know Mickey's health history! If you really are a specialist in nutrition you would know that metabolism and autoimmune illnesses (among other things) can be linked to fatness but that does not mean the person isn't healthy when it comes to the act of eating! If I would give you some advice I would say: listen to people outside of yourself. "When you speak you just say what you already know, but when you listen you might learn something new".
Also, the fact you say you don’t recommend watching her video is so indicative of how closed off and in a bubble you are. Like god forbid you hear the viewpoints of other people. A master’s degree and being a licensed therapist is nothing to sneeze at.
He’s scared to death of sending people over to Mickeys channel. He doesn’t want to be responsible for potentially (though unintentionally) planting seeds of cognitive dissonance and religious unlearning. He’d lose more viewers.
This whole entire video is literally just Mickey making the most logical arguments and you saying she can’t make good arguments because she’s overweight. And you guys scratch your heads on why more and more people leave the church 😭
He had the audacity to open this video with an “is that how therapists look like?” I cannot believe the amount of bullshit that came out of his mouth! It’s all so so SO extremely dangerous! The amount of young people who could watch this and could feel oppressed, hated and feel like they are never enough because of this. It blows my mind how someone can say they are Christians and live for the word of god and still feel the need to say even 1% of what these people say… shame on you.
@@itziar716 YES, therapists shouldn't look like this, you Americans are so ignorant in human behavior, that's why your psychology is reduced to mysticism, the pseudoscience of cognitivism and what Foucault said 40 years ago, no pervert should be in the position of therapist, much less someone who is not capable of regulating or extinguishing their behaviors, apart from speaking with Marxist terminology that implies much more nonsense
He was in the chat hyping the audience to guess how many times he called her the wrong name, then when the comments came flooding in he backtracked and claimed he was "bad at remembering names" and that it was accidental. Thing is, he had ample time to edit the video, and it looks like he did spend effort into editing it. It would have taken next to NO effort to add a little text box pop up : "I messed up her name throughout but didn't mean to!" To me, this clearly shows he meant to. When we deny our original intent to save ourselves from criticism, that's dishonesty (and very gaslighty). I'm pretty sure the Bible said a few things about that one.
Paul, if you truly are educated in the field of health and diet, you should know and understand that there is a lot more nuance to this subject than "fat = too much food". Truly, you've embarrassed yourself here. And you've also shown there are indeed lots of things you cannot comprehend.
As a ex patreon and someone who loves you both as my brother and sister in Christ, i am disappointed in how you handled this Paul. Bringing up her weight was not only unecessary but also unChrist like. I do hope you take my thoughts in account as someone who was a patreon for awhile. I also dont think its appropriate for you to only care what people who are paying you think. With all that said, i get your point on watching movies with sex scenes. I think it really is based on what you struggle with, like me, i could watch a movie that has a sex scene in it and it have absolutely no impact on me because ive never struggled with lust. BUT i do struggle with binge eating and i can very easily fall into gluttony so i try to keep healthy foods in my home. I also want to say that she actually kind of has a point with hyperfixating on a thing. From a biblical standpoint, we see in scripture that the strength of sin is the law. The more you focus on the law the more you sin, just like paul talks about in Romans 7, BUT the grace of God is what teaches us to deny ungodliness. For example, if you put a bowl of candy in front of a child and tell them not to eat it until you get back, they are going to eat it all. Overall, i do hope you think about what im saying with bringing up her weight and i pray youre more gracious and less prideful and jabby.
Hey sister in Christ! I have totally agreed with everything you said except one thing when you said you can watch a sex scene without actually sinning. You know the Bible says in Psalms 101:3 “I will set nothing wicked or worthless before my eyes. I hate the work of those who fall away it shall not cling to me” A lot of the times as Christians we are not aware of the fact that a battle with sin you may be facing in one area comes as a result of an OPEN DOOR 🚪 in another area to sin. Which in your case is watching send scenes. That opens the door to the list of the flesh which isn’t only listful desires but it can reveal itself in the form of gluttony too or binge eating. Why? Because you haven’t disciplined yourself in another area and although you’re not struggling in that area, that could be what is affecting your binge eating. So I just wanted to encourage you that it’s not only the grace of God that keeps us from sinning, but actually the LOVE OF JESUS! Because in book of John Jesus says “if anyone loves me he will keep my commandments. And my Father will love Him and We will come to Him and make our home with Him” this is why we are more than conquerors through Jesus Christ who loved us! Amen! 🙏
My dude, wow…. I Imagine there are A LOT of us here (me included) that ARE experts (PhD/Psyd level of education) that can rip you to shreds, however, we hold back EXCEPT when you say something that reveals your heart and would grieve the heart of our savior. Mickey does not need me or anyone else to defend her. That woman is solid. I will say, if half the therapist in the planet were like her the world would be a much better place. You judged based on her appearance. I BEG YOU TO EXPLAIN HOW’S THAT DIFFERENT FROM ARDENT BIGOTRY. On many occasions you talked about being judged for your beliefs.
First of all, what do you mean by… Is this how therapists look now. Do therapists look a certain way? Are they supposed to look a certain way? Also, as a person who just got licensed in therapy I find Mickey to be correct and everything she was saying. For Paul to go after her weight because she is explaining how restrictions can cause binging is abhorrent and non-Christian. She was not coaching anyone on food. She was making a reference to explain her point. If Paul has this certification why doesn’t he have a little “box“ under his channel name. I actually liked this channel at one time but this is toxic, demeaning, and downright nasty.
Not gonna lie, you guys had me, until, you brought her weight into it. As somebody with a recovering eating disorder, there are many reasons why one can be overweight. Honestly, this was low, Paul…….
I dont watch this channel so maybe this wasnt the BEST representation of this content but my jaw dropped several times at what was said and how it was relayed. This guy has no concept of humility, empathy, or grace. You may try to say the right words but the sincerity is nowhere to be found as demonstrated by your actions throughout. The way he spoke and the misdirection and misunderstanding was dumbfounding.
She’s correct in saying that this kind of hyper-vigilance does create anxiety. If you’re constantly worried that you watching a certain show is going to ruin your salvation then that would cause anxiety in some folks. It makes people afraid to do anything and that’s not a healthy way to live. It’s amazing how I’ve taken the casual approach to television and I haven’t become a sexually perverse monster. Saying “well you’re fat therefore the casual approach to things doesn’t work” isn’t a valid argument. It’s a logical fallacy called causal fallacy. Actually there are a lot of fallacy’s in this video. You benefit from having Morgan sitting next to you. Also her name is Mickey. If you’re going to make a video about someone the least you can do is get their name right.
It only causes anxiety if they are thinking wrongly about the situation. You can't lose your salvation from sinning or being tempted. You can't lose your salvation that way. That comes from not understanding the Gospel. Being vigilant and not putting yourself in situations that will tempt you is just wisdom. Jesus used hyperbole saying you should cut off your hand if it causes you to sin. Avoiding situations that can lead you personally to sin is smart. Some people may be able to handle that show. But others cannot. If certain shows don't lead you to sin, good. But don't critique others with a stronger conviction on the issue. Some people like me are convicted not to drink. Other Christians do drink without getting drunk. Both have a different conscious and know what we can and can't handle. Paul takes a stronger approach and wants people to self-reflect and know if they can't handle it to not do it. You also are wrong about the causal fallacy. You would be correct if he said a causal approach to tv has lead to her bad weight. But Paul was specific about her being casual about food. If you are casual about your diet and don't have a high metabolism and eat junk all the time, you will be fat. That is the proper consequence to eating unhealthy. It isn't a causal fallacy to say that I let go of my pen on Earth, therefore the pen will drop due to gravity. Causes have effects. Being casual in your diet does lead to being overweight. Being causal in anything related to health of the individual, whether sin or food or anything else of high importance is bad. If you are intentional in what you watch and know you can handle sex in tv, fine. At least you are being intentional. But being casual can lead to a lot of issues and very unhealthy places. In food it definitely does. In issues like sex on tv, though it may not affect everyone the same way, it can be dangerous to other individuals. Being casual does not work. We need to know ourselves and what is healthy for us.
@@gospelfreak5828 if you have one or 2 things that you’re vigilant about because they’re specifically bad for you that’s different than having anxiety caused by religion. Paul and Morgan actively preach hyper vigilance about nearly everything. They can’t even listen to secular music without a conviction. That is the sort of stuff that can absolutely cause someone to have anxiety about day to day life. Paul said “you are fat, how is the casual approach working for you” as if to assume that she’s 1) attempting to lose weight in the first place or 2) doesn’t have any other compounding factors that contribute to her weight. Paul’s argument was absolutely a fallacy. He assumed that she was being casual about her food intake based on her weight when that premise may or may not be true and Paul has no idea if it is.
@@rubylightshow1585 No it does not cause anxiety. You have just committed a causal fallacy. Cuz I've known people who are hyper vigilant and afterwards became anxious. And I have also known people who are hyper vigilant and the most at peace people I have ever known. In fact, I've known people who have felt less anxious after getting rid of things like that. What's it to you if they don't listen to secular music? I have a conviction right now to not listen to it that has started recently. This is for a period of time, so I don't think this conviction is permanent. People have their own convictions of what they can handle. Paul and Morgan can't handle secular music. What is that to you? Who are you to judge what they are convicted about? Maybe his premise is wrong. That does not make it the causal fallacy. You seem to misunderstand how fallacies work. Someone can make a syllogism (a form of argumentation in logic) and there can be zero fallacies in that argument. The argument can be valid (meaning not illogical) but not sound (as in actually being true). For example, the Kalam cosmological argument. 1. Everything that begins to exist has a cause. 2. The universe began to exist. 3. C: Therefore, the universe has a cause. This is a sound syllogism not committing any fallacy in logic. Whether it is true is the real question. Many atheists will reject the first and/or second premise. Paul is running on the premise that being healthy is good, and that this lady is not healthy for diet reasons. Maybe he believes that since she used diet as an example in her video. I don't know Paul's thought process or why he assumes this, but if his premise is right, then his argument is right. Having a premise isn't a fallacy. That isn't how logic works. Assumptions aren't fallacies. They are just assumptions. Some are warranted or justifiable, though not proven. Other assumptions are out there or unfair. Maybe Paul's assumption is unfair. But his point and argument still stand: if you do not care about important things and are flippant in what you do, it usually does not end well. That is just general wisdom and common sense. Maybe his assumption is unfair. If you, however, replace her being the subject with a general person, and the argument is sound. The point is sound. You are so focused on the subject material of the argument (Using this lady in the argument instead of generalizing it) you miss the point of the argument. That is bad hermeneutics. That is bad exegesis. We must seek to understand the major point the person is trying to get across. Paul's main point was being flippant about what you do is wrong. So, you can say he was rude to assume things about her personal health and shouldn't have made it personal like that. I would agree, unless he has some sort of knowledge about her we are unaware of and knows her situation. I would hope he did, but it doesn't seem like it. I wouldn't have made it personal. She made things personal with unfair assumptions first, so I can see why Paul may in his emotions have gotten upset and became personal with assumptions of his own back. If that is the case, he is still wrong in this situation morally, and it is understandable why he failed here. People are not perfect. I do not know how well Paul knows this lady. And I would hope after self-reflection he could see these assumptions were not warranted and there was no reason to be personal like that when he does not know her situation. You can't say he is wrong though in his argumentation and his line of logic because he was mean. Morally, yeah. he is wrong. Logically, his argument is sound.
I personally don't think either Paul or Morgan are fundamentalists...I think they're fake. They found a niche audience, who will buy their merch, and they play with it. The part I do agree with the therapist is the seemingly lack of maturity. It's odd that these two have not matured and grown into more mature adults. Morgan seems stuck as a young teenager (doesn't help that Paul infantilizes her) and he seems to be stunted himself around 19 or 20. Even here Paul is acting like your typical high school bully, like you see in every teenage movie. But justifying his insulting behavior within religion. It's quite disturbing in it's own way.
Do you have an educational degree ie: did you attend a college or other school to be the professional you are claiming? If so you can submit that paper certificate to UA-cam and once they verify it’s validity you can also get the little box that shows you are actually qualified to teach your learning to others. To just claim you are a professional doesn’t mean squat.
the fact that you purposely keep referring to mickey as “missy” despite knowing her name is so disrespectful and definitely not a good way to get your toxic point across. am i surprised though? definitely not. wouldn’t expect anything else from you, paul.
I took it as his misogyny showing. He didn't like a woman calling him out so he felt the right to call her "Missy", kind of like calling her miss woman.
@@thewrongshoes i definitely see it as both. purposely saying her name wrong as well as calling her “missy” like a grown man would to a little girl when telling her off.
You say a fat woman shouldn’t be giving advice about diet… ok, well, I say a guy who struggles with lustful thoughts for days because he saw five seconds of a sex scene or a girl in leggings at the gym shouldn’t be giving advice about how to avoid sexual sin. If you’re so weak-willed that you’re unable to watch mere SECONDS of a scene on a show, then clearly your method of controlling your sexual desires ISNT WORKING. I have never in my life been so easily affected by or consumed by seeing a sex scene. It doesn’t get to me, and I don’t think about it after it’s over. For example, if I go out with friends, I’m happy to stay sober or stop after one drink. I don’t think about the alcohol when I get home. If I were an alcoholic, however, I would spend the entire night and the following days thinking tortured thoughts about all the alcohol I was exposed to, and had I drank any, I wouldn’t have been able to stop at one drink. You’re the alcoholic in this example. You have no self-control, and the things you’re doing to stay away from sexual sin ARENT WORKING because you aren’t getting any better. Another difference between you and Mickey is this. You’re talking authoritatively about how to avoid sexual sin, using yourself as an example of someone successfully avoiding it, even though it looks to me like you’re pretty unsuccessful at it. Mickey, on the other hand, is talking about how to approach your attitude towards food according to evidence-based research. She even mentions in the video that a proper educator doesn’t lean heavily on their own experiences and apply them prescriptively to other people. When she gives advice about diet, her personal situation is irrelevant and she doesn’t bring it up. She’s just telling you what the research says. Now that I’m done calling you a hypocrite…. The truth is Paul, you’re allowed to struggle with sexual exposure. The alcoholic is allowed to struggle with alcohol. Mickey is allowed to struggle with her weight. If only perfect people could give advice, then there would be no teachers on this world. The problem is that you are small minded and ignorant and trying to apply your life, struggles, and values to all people, whereas Mickey has thousands of hours working with clients of ALL sorts of backgrounds and bases her advice on solid research. That’s why it’s ok for her to give diet advice, but it’s not ok for you to judge people who don’t restrict their TV viewing the way you do.
the Bible says not to just "avoid" or "exercise control" when it comes to sexual immorality, it says to FLEE from it. hence why paul is saying he would not watch it - not because he doesnt have the self control or will but because we should not put ourselves in positions to test that when it comes to sexual immorality!
Paul is such an entitled person, arrogant, condescendant and so incredibly stupid. Yes, you can compare forbidden and very restricted aspects of your life. The therapist is absolutely in her right to call this out. Extreme restriction leads to suffering, and can also lead to addiction. Every therapist knows people having come out of very controlling environments (such as the one P&M are constantly promoting). There's absolutely no reason to bodyshame and fatshame the therapist. It only shows how incredibly weak Paul is. A Christian should at least try to be nice and comprehensive.
You need to replace Paul’s name with the therapist’s on your first sentence. Did you not notice her condescending, snarky demeanor? Everything was based off her personal hate for Christianity. She’s a bully. Should a drug addict and alcoholic stop restricting themselves from consumption as well? Aren’t they told the exact opposite? They’re advised to stay as far away as possible-even from ppl that consume. Same goes for explicit content when you’re trying to have a healthy sex life with your spouse. It’s been proven that porn is harmful to our brain and our relationships.
@@aliMS137 Did we even watch the same video? Mickey used evidenced-based research to form her argument, while Paul and Morgan resorted to body shaming because they lack the capacity to use logic. They're weak-willed, judgmental, and honestly the LEAST "Christian" Christians I've ever had the displeasure of hearing about. They're a mockery of healthy Christianity and religious/spiritual culture.
This lady made an entire video in an arrogant, condescending attitude and said “I think there’s a lot of things Paul can’t comprehend,” but it’s Paul that is entitled and arrogant? Okay, that makes a lot of sense. “Extreme restriction leads to suffering and can also lead to addiction.” That’s not necessarily true for everyone or even most people. That approach (“extreme” restriction) might work for Paul, and he shouldn’t have some arrogant, condescending lady making a response video to him lecturing him about how he’s wrong to think that approach works. And the only “control” P&M advocate for is self-control, and that’s a good thing to promote. Again, this lady made an arrogant, condescending video about how Paul is wrong to restrict certain things (e.g. junk food and shows with nudity), and if she’s gonna make snarky, condescending comments about Paul being wrong about restricting junk food, then she shouldn’t be surprised when someone points out the obvious (she is fat). Maybe, if she didn’t come in all high and mighty, preaching about how Paul is so dumb and wrong, and how she’s so obviously 🙄 better, then maybe, you could criticize Paul for mentioning the obvious. But in reality, she threw a punch and couldn’t take any back.
My goodness! I guess YOU watched a different video because Morgan wasn’t even in video. 😅 What I said completely went over your head. This “therapist” is not giving therapist, it’s giving bully. Evidence-based? Common sense would tell you that if you’re trying to stay sexually pure, you should probably stay away from explicit content. You don’t even need to go to college to know that-just logic! 😉 She was coming from a place of hate towards Christian beliefs, nothing else. That’s why she’s making fun of Paul and being condescending. How professional of her.
"Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience." Col. 3:12 . Disregarding people you may have hurt with your platform is not compassionate, the comment about Mickey's weight was not kind, the sarcastic "you're forgiven" bit was not humble (not to mention you promoting your merch the first thing in the video), and using your platform to "call out christians'" is not gentle. Please, Paul, if you are a follower of Jesus as you so vehemently claim to be, set aside your emotions for a moment and reflect in your quiet time on some of the things you just said.
Awww I feel for Morgan. She must have a lot of things she wrestles with in her inner world, part of her wanting to be honest and real about how she feels and what beliefs really reflect herself and wanting to appease her husband/church/family and ‘be a good Christian, woman, mom, leader.’ There isn’t much room for her to deviate, explore, and express differences and what her true needs are. There’s so much pressure on her and her discomfort (at times) seems quite visible. I wonder if parts of her love and hate what Mickey highlights about Paul.
I’m genuinely curious if she was making the same exact content as you, and agreeing with everything you say would you mention her weight? Or just ignore it?
And ya it is fucking weird a grown ass man….Christian/ religious/ or not, Can’t watch a fantastical show that shows boobies a few times without going down satans path 😂. Just say you lack impulse control or lack any of the tools to see a boob and move on. Of course if you have porn addiction issues evaluate that. And then you use her own example very naively. What does a fat person do when there’s thousands of food ads all day? She can’t block it. It’s all around us. 😂 just like a fat person can watch a McDonald’s commercial and keep it moving, you should be able to see a tit and not feen for a place to put your peen
I’m really glad I unsubscribed from P&M because there’s zero self-reflection or humility and willingness to learn or do better. The Lord’s name is being used in vain.
Oh Paul, you are proving Mickey correct when you act like such a man child. But I digress, what qualifies you and Miss Morgan to give people advice on what to watch and what not to watch?? I’d be super interested in what your thoughts are on that. I can’t fathom being as young as both of you are and having a soapbox telling anyone what they SHOULD do. I don’t know why I’m giving free advice but if it’s as simple as movies or shows maybe you can say your RECOMMENDATIONS are xyz….you may come across less arrogant. Unless your audience is made up of preteens which I suspect…🤔
Holier than thou. The only thing that’s ironic is that you have a channel to “spread the word of god” but you are the furthest from him. Becoming self-aware of your pride & ego could help you spread the word a lot better. Praying for you 🙏🏻
I will say I’m wildly mad I gave y’all a click and a view but good night nurse. Your inability to form any type of a “rebuttal” is showing when all you can hold on to is that someone is fat Also, do you speak for ALL Christians? Of course she doesn’t speak for ALL therapists (although she should imo) Your feelings got hurt, you reacted, and now ya look absurd because you missed the plot. Mayhaps…can I suggest some legit therapy from a license professional. Or just pray about it, whatever works my dude.
You ARE fundies!! LMAO!! 😂😂😂 I used to be one too (for well over 40 years), and now you are it. 💯% I'm baffled as to why/how you would deny this. Most at my former (fake, ridiculous, controlling) pentecostal church wore it as a badge of honor, saying it just means "We believe the literal, inspired, perfect WURD of GAAWwD!!" 😂😂🤣 (Which is the main lie... they have ZERO fundamental understanding of how the bronze-age book of myths was put together to begin with. 😂
You know I always find comments like this revealing. Because people who are truly happy with the decisions that they have made do not make comments like this. Happy people move on.
@mikaeladonegan2430 LMAO! Nice try at telling people with opinions different from yours to just shup up and move on. Sorry, not falling for your attempted censorship. 😉 I'm 100% happy with my choices. If I wasn't, I'd change them... duh. 🙄
@mikaeladonegan2430 Well that just proves.youll believe anything without evidence. Born in the early 60s and a grandma. But I really don't give a shit what you are "convinced" of.
You “personally wouldn’t recommend” watching the full video that would give context for the clips you’re showing and Mickey as a person? Tell me you’re a fundamentalist without telling me you’re a fundamentalist…
It speaks volumes that you are so quick to judge someone based off their appearance. Your comfort making judgments based off appearances is incredibly pathetic, non Christ like, and incredibly sad to see. It’s okay to disagree with someone but it’s not okay to speak down on others. Let’s do better.
Question paul: if you say not everyone should tackle these topics as intensely as you are then why does it seems in your videos you are telling people they should view it as you are?
Upon further reflection, after them mentioning views were down a few weeks ago. I can understand why Paul made this video. Topics like this get a TON of traction. It was A smart strategy. They know they will get Mickey’s audience as well. What a lot of people here shaming Mickey, don’t know, is she has Chronic Pain… she has medical conditions….. but go off. Have the day you deserve.
Wow, you got 2.5 mins in before you had to make a comment on her looks. You realize you talking for over two minutes about her weight only demonstrates you need to put her looks down to try to make a real point, right? Her video covered so much about your video, but you only spent 20 mins discussing what she said and your focus was literally to say....she must not resist food, so she's wrong? Her entire video is extremely detailed and nuanced, and yet your only defense of yourself was "fat person bad".
He is right. She doesn't act like a professional therapist. A real professional threapist wouldn't attack others on the Internet like that. And funny therapist think they are perfect yet she needs therapy. Her not being about to control her eating is another behavior problem. The thing people can have their own opinions and morals on life which she is saying they cannot.
Paul was balanced in his response, including his critique of her weight. I on the other hand did make fun of her weight.😂 Don't lie about Paul's response
Humble, serving and LOVING. „But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control.“ Galatians 5, 22-23
@@PaulandMorgan Resisting the temptation to make endless petty video responses in order to get clicks on your channel and then calling it ministry, for example…
This comment section proves how much help the U.S needs, the so called therapist calls them “childlike” but have an issue with Paul pushing back; you guys want Christians to have no backbone and give no response to circumstances that needs clarification. The author of the horrible comments underneath this video chooses to not understand what’s being said by Paul, sexual contents is a pandemic that’s overtaking the culture of America, most things are about “sex, sex, sex,” that’s perversion…not because sex is wrong, God created it but to have it as the expression of what this country represents is repulsive. VERY REPULSIVE. Someone doesn’t even need to be a Christian to be annoyed by how much sexuality has become the beacon of this generation, no therapist can overshadow God’s Word and cancel His intents. Americans are just toooo prideful to shuttttt their mouths and yield to wisdom, they open their mouths even when nothing is coming out of it. This therapist is as ignorant as ignorance can be!!! Everything she said is contrary to God’s Word, and will not stand the test of time. Sexual immorality is a real issue on this land, it’s necessary for us to guard our hearts; there needs to be boundaries.
Ephesians 4:29 "Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear." I'm not even a Christian, but even I know the entire point of Jesus was to be kind to others. That's it. Petty, juvenile, name calling and belittling is a tacky look. You're a grown adult, ACT LIKE IT.
I think you both make good points when it comes to restrictions. Some people may be able to demonstrate self-control when it comes to sexual content, food, or whatever their vice may be, but for some, they may have to completely cut that thing out in order to practice control. However, I do not appreciate how you attacked her weight. As someone who works in the healthcare field, I am a strong promoter of healthy diet and exercise, but I think it’s wrong to shame someone for their size because you don’t know where someone is at in their weight-loss journey or how the many factors that influence body size are affecting their ability to lose weight. I’m very disappointed that the conversation turned from a response to her views on your beliefs to an attack on her body size. I think this was a very immature and un-Christian-like response on your part.
@@virginianielsen3480 crit·i·cize /ˈkridəˌsīz/ verb 1. indicate the faults of (someone or something) in a disapproving way. I didn't hear any disapproval or naming of any faults. Saying someone is overweight, when it is objectively the case, is in no way disapproving of their inherent value as an image bearer
@@virginianielsen3480 Since when was the truth a "critique", genius? If the truth hurts that much, then cry me a river. lol She's a fake "therapist" giving advice on food and what have you, yet is not one whose in any position to talk about it, considering her appearance and how she's not really "taking care of" herself. Also, she mocked Paul for being less intelligent, which is ironic since I doubt she looked at the mirror lately. She's as unintelligent as she is lost, just as you are. ;)
@@virginianielsen3480at the beginning of the video he was talking about the signage and what was in her background. Not her physical appearance. Perhaps that was your understanding because you, yourself are insecure and/or that was your own subconscious talking. Plus his point about her weight is valid.
I really shouldn't have given you a views or engagement but I gotta ask ( as a former Catholic, now atheist) if there is a God, why, why, why would he care so much about what is done with your gentials or watching other people do stuff with their gentials??? Like logically, not quoting scripture ( which most of the time is misinterpreted and mistranslated anyway) explain to me why that would matter.
God cares because he made us, he made genitals with specific function and purpose, and homo/trans movement defy that purpose. People say "If it doesn't affect you, why do you care?" Hmm excuse me?!! YES, we should care about what others do behind closed doors, because it not only affects them, it affects the community, the whole country. When we let one part of society decline, this has a real effect on the entire society.
@@InfoLunixHe created us ALL, regardless of who we are or what genitals we have, what faith we have or DONT have, in HIS imagine. There is no defiance with God, if so, this would mean God makes mistakes, and made a mistake in his creations, which would render him as a being who is in fact NOT all omnipotent and not all powerful. Therefore LGBTQ people are just as valid and just as LOVED by God. You're no true Christian if you fill your heart with such narcissistic vitriol and hate towards all humans.
@GB-vw6kr God made us in His image, but also gave us free will, hence an opportunity to make mistakes. God also has an opportunity to make mistakes but he never does because he is perfect. We are not. You are essentially saying that since we are made in God's image that we should all be God. It doesn't work that way.
You’re always saying your not a fundie and never give any examples on how you are not. I have also heard you multiple times question people’s salvation like you’re God. Which I’m pretty sure is a sin. You’re indirectly saying if people don’t agree with your form of Christianity then it’s automatically wrong and not Christian. It’s also extremely loving and Christian of you to bring up her weight to try and discredit her.
He also referenced her weight because it was a part of her argument. You can’t talk about what healthy boundaries with food is, and not actually enforce those boundaries yourselves so since it’s not working for her, neither will the “causal approach” to sexual content. It’s a fair argument.
Do you ever talk about abuse in your videos? It's a serious problem in the church. I've seen some of your videos and you say if you're really struggling in your marriage, just keep pushing through? And that you HAVE to have sex with your husband? You should never be forced to have sex with someone. If you are being forced, even if it's by your husband, that's still rape! You never bring that up? If your husband is beating you, isolating you, emotionally manipulating you, you're supposed to 'keep together'? I really think you need to talk about it. It's a serious problem in the church. People are shocked when church abuse stories are revealed, I don't understand why people are shocked, when the church just makes it so easy for perpetrators to gather future victims. If the system makes it easy for perpetrators, then there's something wrong with the system.
Paul, as someone who is interested in health and wellness, you should know there are women out there that struggle with hormonal disorders and such that make losing weight nearly impossible (PCOS, insulin resistance, etc.). Your comment has no grace or understanding for that, especially because you don't know her. It seems being on this platform has made you comfortable with making those types of comments that others have made about you. I encourage you not to give into that worldly way of addressing others. Philippians 2:3-4 - "Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others."
I was on a medication that took away the insomnia I’ve had for decades. But it turns out the side effects are changes in metabolism, increased hunger, and binge eating. My doctor didn’t tell me so, and when I told him how much weight I’d gained, he still didn’t mention it. I got a second opinion, and the doctor immediately weaned me off the meds to put me on a different one. If you don’t have a medical background or have never experienced an eating disorder or similar symptoms, then you have no clue what you’re talking about. I used to think it was as easy as “put the fork down”, but gnawing hunger and anxiety are completely overwhelming. I tried so many things to get the binging under control and got depressed when I couldn’t stop. I was so angry when I learned that the medication was the one making me this ravenously and anxiously hungry. I’m a disciplined person. I have an engineering degree and a tough job. I’m no stranger to buckling down to get things done. And yet I found myself with zero self-control. I was constantly putting myself down, talking myself back up, feeling guilty, lying to myself. And it’s not as easy as not buying the food… because you convince yourself that this time it’ll be ok because this time you have a new method to control yourself. And then when you fail, you feel bad for failing and stupid for having talked yourself into it. I have never felt so hopelessly out of control in my own body. I tried fleeing from food, and it just creates bad habits and anxiety. Now that I’m off the meds, I’m trying to repair my relationship with food, and I am NOT taking the anxiety-inducing restriction approach. I’m so, so happy to be off those meds. But you know what? I get it now. I understand why people struggle so much to lose weight and “put the fork down”, as I would’ve said in the past. The mind is an incredibly powerful and incredibly weak thing all at the same time. Anyone who makes fun of a fat person willy nilly is quite possibly making fun of someone with an eating disorder or physical condition. And we haven’t even talked about the socio-political aspect of the obesity pandemic. That’s a whole other reason for being fat that’s largely outside of people’s control. It’s a serious issue that deserves respect, not fat shaming. I think it’s sick that someone with an alleged nutritionist background would stoop so low. It shows a huge lack of knowledge and empathy. Being honest and strict with someone isn’t the same as being an asshole, and I really hope he wasn’t an asshole to his clients.
@@GreroSalads contain calories. Calories consist of fat, carbohydrates and protein, all of which can be converted to body fat. Some people struggle with conditions such as hypothyroidism, PCOS, an imbalance of cortisol (a HORMONE), taking certain medications, and so many more conditions. These conditions alter the way your body burns and/or converts calories to body fat. In addition to the hormone cortisol, in the case of PCOS, your body becomes resistant to insulin (another HORMONE), which causes your pancreas to make an excess amount of it, excessively promoting fat storage. Not to mention the genetic impact on weight that obesity twin studies have shown (the genetic contribution to BMI is ~60-80%)
@@Greroshort answer: cortisol, insulin, estrogen, thyroid hormones, glucocorticoids, etc. And Paul should know this if he really is certified in weight loss. It’s like obesity 101
Someone made this point earlier but I’m echoing it again so you maybe you’ll deign to read and respond - if being overweight is ‘ungodly’, explain why this ‘Christian’ nation is 70% overweight with a 39% obesity rate for adult Americans? If a believer gains weight via an accident, pregnancy, biological ailment, are they going to hell? Do they lose less value in your eyes? Didn’t your savior preach acceptance and focusing on the uplifting the countenance of people? Why you so focused on Mickeys weight, you hypocrite?
Gluttony is sinful, which can be done at any weight. By far it’s not the worst sin, but overindulgence hurts us. Weight gain as a result of pregnancy, or physical ailments aren’t a result of gluttony, so I don’t believe that’s sinful. Many Americans live willingly in sins that are far worse and more destructive than gluttony, so I don’t think that’s a fair argument. Gluttony, like all sins, isn’t going to send someone to hell as long as they accept Jesus as their savior.
@@FeechLaMannas even though it is no one's business but her own, Micky explained everything she went through regarding her weight and her relationship with food. And Paul STILL brings it up. He's not even listening at this point.
Does Morgan ever appear in this saga between you and the therapist? Because…I would have loved to see her reaction when your go-to to discredit a woman was to include her weight and size.. is Morgan allowed to read comments?👀😂 because yikes I would be embarrassed if my husband was doing something like this online.. and honestly you had me until weight was brought up. Came across as very..ungodly? Especially as a husband.. whether Morgan admits it to herself or you, your comments like that could cause unintentional fear within her to constantly look a certain way. As a godly man, you should always be conscience of uplifting your wife.. hating on other women for their appearance just isn’t a good look.. hope the best for you and your family ❤️
This couple is the opposite of godly. Paul is a narcissist & Morgan is a pushover. I’m so tired of these types of people spreading their toxic messages… honestly pushed me further away from church than closer.
Oh my god I can't believe you dedicated A THIRD OF THE VIDEO to bullying Mickey for her appearance. Not very Christ-like of you, Paul. This is literally just you being butthurt and bullying someone for it.
@@coyotes79 he literally, in the video, makes the thinly-veiled argument of: you say that food can/should be enjoyed in moderation and that's the clinical consensus on it, but you're still fat, so [clearly that's wrong and you're wrong about it and thus wrong about porn too].
@@coyotes79 Unsolicited comments on anyone's weight is, at best, rude. There is also stigma involved here because he made assumptions concerning her eating habits. Assumptions which, in truth, are incorrect. It is these assumptions and the inability to ever be able to respond to them and be believed that is bullying. Such assumptions are made even worse because of the beauty standards to which women are expected to either conform or be labeled inadequate, undesireable, a failure. Paul's relentless obduracy to unchecked opinions and beliefs about himself as an authority seem to block any introspection. He himself stated in reference to Morgan's postnatal weight that he hoped she'd lose the excess and get back to her skinny self soon. That sort of statement is callous, selfish, and an excellent example of verbal abuse. It is not loving his wife as Christ loves the Church. It is not honoring and cherishing her.
doesn't sound bothered or sensitive. The little bit of frustration is because people speaking against Christianty who have no idea what it is but think they do, is frustrating. he did great. she did not. her disdain was dripping. she was defending her way of life. but she wasn't attacked. she is condemned. I pray she sees it!
@@PaulandMorganbut you literally were talking about her weight as a rebuttal. That's some grade school stuff. She never said she was a fitness expert - she is a mental health professional
Of course every true Christ follower will not agree with what she had to say but commenting on her weight was truly not necessary. I think that was a bit personal and not kind in any way. We never know what people are going through and as Christians we are meant to always meet people in love. It saddened me that you went there instead of explaining how intuitive eating may not work for all people if that’s what you wanted to get at.
She disrespected Paul by making a comment on his intellect and his comprehension, yet you never brought that up. lol Is he "wrong" to though? She IS obese, lives an unhealthy lifestyle, and is a poor role model.
@@yusufalsanadwhat happened to not taking revenge? How are we setting example by acting in the same way as thoes who don’t believe? Tit for tat just isn’t it
@@yusufalsanadtit for tat isn’t exactly a Christlike response. Imagine attacking people every time they said something that wasn’t nice about you. I thought we as Christians are supposed to be better than that.
Does the Bible teach you to be patronizing and condescending, Paulie? Your awful attitude makes me want to run far away from your faith. Great job evangelizing, bro.
This is cringe inducing to watch. And I don’t mean the licensed therapist. I haven’t watched Paul and Morgan vids in years. Today they popped in my mind and I decided to revisit them with the hopes of that some evolution, enlightenment, some form of positive change had come into their thinking. Sadly it seems the same old song and dance.
Paul, I don’t agree with a lot of the arguements she used (I even commented disagreeing with her), but I don’t think she was giving “health/diet advice”. She was using a metaphor to illustrate her point and was talking about taking care of children in the example, even if you are going to be literal about it. It feels like you were looking for an excuse to jump to insult her appearance and as someone who watches you guys a lot it felt like a low blow you didn’t need to make for your point.
@cappylover192 yeah, so what? You don't know why she is overweight...she can tell everyone what the diet advice is if she want too. No matter if she doesn't eat like that nor how much she weight, it wouldn't change the way what the diet advice is
I’m Christian, but I am actually beginning to understand and see why secular people mock evangelicals. It’s the attitude that Paul has. It’s totally uncalled for. He missed the point entirely. I don’t agree with a lot of what she said either, but I don’t agree with how Paul handled this situation. As Christians, we’re supposed to be a good witness. This ain’t it.
She was using the health metaphor to support her argument. She never said she was personally on a diet. Its disgusting how you jumped on that point so you could insult her.
I think his point was if you want to look like her, follow her food advice. If you want to live like her (not in a God-honoring way), by all means follow her advice.
@@sarahderuiter4023 I didn't say that I disagree with what he's saying. All I'm saying is that it was uncalled for to call her heavy when that wasn't relevant. He didn't need to do that to discuss his point.
Fat people can become dietitians, nutritionists, etc because they’re not telling you how to live like they do, they’re telling you what evidence-based research says you should do for your own situation and for your own goals. The doctor’s health is irrelevant. Someone in a wheelchair could be an exercise trainer. Someone without kids could be a pediatrician. A man can be a gynecologist. Your average guy could be an Olympic trainer or a football coach. If you have the education and textbook knowledge, you can teach the subject, and it doesn’t matter what your own situation is. Yes, you gain a little something by having personal experience, but you have to understand… as a woman, I am only familiar with my own experience of being a woman. A male gynecologist is familiar with the experience of hundreds upon hundreds of female patients. He has heard countless stories, treated countless conditions, and spent years studying all sorts of subjects. He probably has a better understanding of what it’s like to be a woman than I do, and I AM a woman. 😅 So the lesson here is: don’t judge people by how they look!!! If your nutritionist or therapist or whatever has the degree and experience helping hundreds of clients, then it shouldn’t matter if they’re fat themselves. It doesn’t nullify their knowledge.
@2:35 Genuinely, I don’t know what you mean. Are you commenting on her weight and implying that a fat person can’t be trained to help people overcome their harmful beliefs? Im very confused
@@anon_c3po If said someone had a professional background in financial advising and the majority of financial advisors agreed with him based on empirical, longitudinal data, I would take his advice, yes.
@@anon_c3podepends, is he broke because he doesn’t know shit about finance? Or is he broke for another reason, for example, a shitty economy or medical bills or something? I work in aerospace, and I hardly do anything aerospace-related in my personal life. I can’t even fly the planes I’ve worked on. You’re over-simplifying the question.
@@anon_c3po No, but there are many who have voted for one before. (Sincerely not serious.. I just really wanted to contribute my immediate thought. This explanation seems appropos of the discussion though :) )
"Do you not see and understand that whatever goes into the mouth passes into the abdomen and so passes on into the place where discharges are deposited? But whatever comes out of the mouth comes from the heart, and this is what makes a man unclean and defiles him." This is all sounding mighty Pharisaical, my dude. Also I know many people in larger bodies who have healthier relationships with food and movement than some of my skinniest friends. Something to consider before making assumptions about someone else's body and their relationship to food!
Paul: advocates against watching shows with nudity Progressive, arrogant, condescending “licensed therapist” on YT: actually, restricting certain things like junk food and shows with nudity is actually unhealthy because it creates a scarcity mindset that makes you want it more. Paul: how’s that working for you? Some random person on the internet: yOu sOuNd mIgHtY pHarisAiCaL mY dUdE
This video has been out for a little bit now so I kind of doubt my comment will be seen but you know what the heck. I know what Paul and Morgan would say in response to me because I used to be very much like them in their beliefs and world view. They will say I was never a real Christian. But I’m going to say what I’m going to say anyway. I used to be heavily into religion and I was so miserable. And I felt guilty and ashamed to admit to myself that I was miserable because I felt I was sinning by being miserable. I felt like everything I thought, said, and did was a sin. I felt guilt all day every day for every little thing I was doing. The more I read the Bible, the worse I felt because it felt like everything was bad. I wouldn’t let myself listen to music that really wasn’t even saying anything bad simply because it wasn’t “Christian”. I hated myself. Christians will say “have hope and be free” but how are you free if you’re miserable? They’ll say that you don’t do works to go to heaven and just believe in Jesus, but then they will continuously tell you how everything you’re doing is wrong or bad and if you are doing this, this, and this you’re not a real Christian and you’re going to hell. I lived in constant fear. I couldn’t do it anymore. It’s too heavy of a weight to carry all the time. My point is I get what Micky was saying in her video. I sometimes wonder if Christians would even be Christian if they weren’t scared of hell. The things God does in a bible… just think of a human did those things we would all be appalled. Like if a dictator said go kill children and women like in the Bible. Or if someone said I’m going to kill the first born child of everyone here. Or if you don’t love me I’m going to kill you. We would think they were a psychopath. But it’s okay if god does it? And yeah the answer is always god is so much smarter than us and we don’t understand his ways. Blah blah blah. It’s not doing it for me anymore. It doesn’t sit well with me. I don’t have any hate toward Paul and Morgan because I know they think they are helping people and aren’t intending to do harm. But I’m glad I’m not a part of that belief system anymore.
I've had these exact conversations with friends in person. I'm still figuring out what my belief system looks like post-deconstruction, but there are so many toxic, limiting beliefs associated with Christianity that I passionately reject now.
@13:28 It’s not just her that is saying that restricting and forbidding certain foods- it’s the majority of mental health professionals who work with people who have a poor relationship with food. So her weight has nothing to do with it. It is very rude of you to call out her weight when she is just repeating the consensus of her profession.
Should a drug addict and alcoholic stop restricting themselves from consumption as well. They’re told the opposite -they need to stay as far away as possible. Same goes for explicit content if you’re trying to have a healthy sex life with your spouse. It’s been proven that porn is harmful to our brain and our relationships. Her example was an awful take.
@@aliMS137 Actually, hyperfocusing on not trying to relapse or drink often leads to relapse. And in fact, a lot of mental health professionals understand that relapse is a necessary part of recovery in order to get better. So, while mental health professionals advise against taking substances when one is an addict, they are not going to make a person feel bad for relapsing. It is not a moral failing. Furthermore, as someone who struggled with an ED, I can attest that this is indeed true. Once I learned how to intuitively eat, I got better. Once I stopped restricting and stopped seeing foods as good or bad, I got better. I’m not going to talk about porn or sexual content, because that’s not what my original post was about. It was simply highlighting Paul’s very ignorant take.
It's rude of them, but unsurprising given how incredibly toxic the rest of this channel is. They continue to run directly into the points that Mickey makes while simultaneously MISSING those points, all because of their alleged godly intentions. They have no factual, realistic basis for their arguments, which is why they resort to fat-shaming and other low-intellect attacks. They clearly lack any ability to reason and use logic, otherwise they wouldn't double-down on their god-fucking-AWFUL takes.
@@lilren2021 you’re really going off the rails. Paul never argued that people should hyper-focus on anything. It’s just common sense to stay away from explicit content if you’re trying to stay pure. It’s that simple. Everyone has different battles and certain things affect people differently. No one should be made fun of for having personal convictions and avoiding certain things.
It’s not rude to call out her weight, it’s a basic general observation. Saying that it’s rude is you implying there’s something wrong with her weight. There’s nothing wrong with her weight, it’s just reality of her choices and/or preexisting conditions. Weight is neutral and generally (not always) but generally a result of your habits.
Literally, how weak and childish to use this argument, 'you're heavy so clearly the causal approach doesn't work' knowing nothing about her experience. Rather than just saying 'I've personally never seen the casual approach work, here are some quoted or examples from my training and how the other approach works'. Absolutely appalled at his approach here and I try so hard to listen but the approaches and attitudes of having a voice do not sit well with me alot of the time and I have some clear views myself that would probably be similar to them but approached very differently kindly and effectively. ❤
How silly to think that stating the obvious is being “mean”. He wasn’t fat shaming or calling her names, he was responding to HER example about FOOD!!! Stop being such a snowflake.
Pau was simply stating the obvious and addressing a comment Atkins made. Truth these days is so offensive to certain people. But what remains is… why are we so offended by logic and truth? There is such a desire to be so autonomous (void of God and morality) that when truth hits us between the eyes… we choose to ignore it. Ignorance is NOT bliss. Please seek Christ for truth, clarity, and morality. He will show you why you are so offended by Paul’s “mean” response.
@@pvargas42 Mickey was using logic and truth with factual based evidence on how some of Paul’s views are harmful. And she didn’t have to attack Paul’s looks to do it. Christians like you stay offended so don’t try to twist it.
I'm not sure how I feel about response videos on any side when the focus on name clearing rather than balanced education and reducing harm on all topics covered. I hope everyone finds professional advice and care in their real life and doesn't take to heart too heavily anything anyone you don't truly know tells you whether it's good or not. Because it's not your real everyday world ❤ I'm more about spending time in silence studying and mulling on decernment and learning and think this should outweigh how much I speak and when I do ❤ Also it was not necessary to comment on her body as your argument thats a petty cruel and weak way to back yourself up, you could have easily made your point without speaking on hers or anyone's body knowing nothing about their experience. You could have easily said 'I haven't seen the casual approach work, let me know if it has'. Not 'well you're heavy so it clearly hasn't worked'. Not impressed with that approach Paul. I'm being real with you hope you appreciate that.
Here’s the thing… for someone trying to resist sexual temptation on their own strength, without the Holy Spirit.. it absolutely would cause anxiety and stress to an unhealthy level. We obey God’s word out of love for Him, and we have the Holy Spirit empowering us to resist temptation. If someone who does not know God tries to adhere to His standards, the motivation has to come from something like fear, shame, peer pressure, need for control and so forth.
Paul has a very inflated perception of his own intelligence/ intellectualism. So excited to see him try to refute someone who is actually smart, informed and educated.
Friend... Actually listen to her videos instead of just nodding in agreement with what she says. If you actually listen she does NOT address what the person actually says. She creates a strawman and then addresses that. So for example Paul says 'I used parental controls info to see what it said about the Witcher and after seeing it had possibly explicit content I decided not to watch it' (that's not exact but that's the idea) INSTEAD OF JUST ADDRESSING WHAT PAUL SAID SHE goes on a tangent impling that Paul used the Parental controls because he's in a cult and needs a parental figure to tell him what he can watch and since it said it wasn't okay with the parental controls he didn't watch it... And that's not what he said. That's not what happened. If someone with PTSD had used that same tool to see if something contained content that was triggering to them y'all would be commending them for being smart about their mental health. When someone wants to avoid sexual content for religious reasons all of a sudden it's snarkable.
According to your faith Paul, you were set free from this sexual immorality. Why are you afraid of getting “tricked” into sin when you are blameless before God? Are you saved or are you not? Why are you afraid?
I might be able to answer your question, but Romans 6 does such a perfect job answering your specific question so well. Highly recommend you check it out. (Really all of Romans is a great read for this topic, but chapter 6 is a good place to start. I like the KJV, but there are other versions as well, all free online)
@@Susannah.N “shall we continue to sin so that grace abound? By no means! How can we who dies to sin live in it?” If you are saved, you are dead to sin. “It is by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourself, it is the gift of God.” We are not saved by works and should not live in fear. “Perfect love casts out all fear.”
Hey PAMily, jump in. Where do you fall in this debate of consuming sensual content? MERCH drops Friday! Patrons get 30% off! www.patreon.com/paulandmorganshow
God bless you Guys keep up the good work! Personally, I think there’s a difference between wanting approval and following your conviction. I also choose to make sure to also, follow my convictions and make sure I watch appropriate shows that are not inappropriate are going to make me lead into other ways. I feel like we’re also called as Christians to Protect ourselves and yes, everybody has different convictions and I believe if you have a conviction for something you should follow that
you stink
I’m all for it, love me some softcore. Not so much in the Witcher though, I’m more of a Bridgerton girlie
Keep up the good work Paul and Morgan. This world is turning into Sodom and Gomorrah....this woman is probably in full agreement with all things woke...from transitioning kids to using pronouns that don't correlate with birth gender/sex
@@virginianielsen3480 Broken, little girls like you with such a skewed view on Christianity and actual CHRISTIAN folks, don't last long in the real world. You're wasting your hateful words on such good, intelligent Christians as Paul and Morgan, lil' girl. Try educating and improving yourself, before spouting out such nonsense. :)
As a non American, these fundies are the weirdest yet the most fascinating thing. It’s like they suffer from collective psychosis, or like they try to turn their whole country into some sort of cult. It gives Sharia vibes. Also the fact that they don’t realize how insane their behavior is is fascinating. They are so comfortable with putting it all out there for the world to see. Its an an endless source of entertainment.
As an American I couldn’t agree with you more. It’s truly bizarre. And in most recent years these fundies have gotten super into politics and choose the worst of the worst people to support. If nothing else it IS entertaining but also infuriating.
@ultimately-sabrina The 'christians' making the most noise these days in US politics and, in general, as self- proclaimed 'conservatives' scream in one voice, "Give us Barrabas!"
It’s dangerous. These are the ignorant, rigid, self-righteous types of people they put into office - they’re so easy to manipulate when you merely say the right buzzwords. That’s how Trump got into office - doesn’t practice Christianity at all but says the buzzwords.
This just gives off really insecure vibes from him.
She read him to filth and I loved every second
How many times have you told Morgan you weren't trying to sound mean while purposefully being awful? Do fundamentalists get divorced? Or is she just going to suffer being with you?
They deserve eachother
How can you call yourself a Christian and be so mean toward people?
The Bible instructs Christians to murder people what do you expect?
It’s giving “your momma” in argument terms. She makes some great points and you just say she’s fat. Keep putting child blocks on Netflix for yourself cus you clearly need it
This woman is a literal educated and certified mental health professional, who brings evidence and studies to back up her critiques, while you are what? A youtuber and “health and weight loss coach” who is insulted by a woman calling out the BS you spew to your followers as if you have the authority to do so? If you were interested and educated in health mental, physical and all things in between, you’d have never made this video or the one in question in the first place. Ps. Losing brand deals isn’t cancelling. You’re entitled to your opinions, but you’re not entitled to make money off of them. Brands exist to make money, and if their customers are telling them that partnering with you will harm that pursuit, they are right to drop you, no??
These people love capitalism and the free market until brands exercise their power to not sponsor them. These companies have decided that it is not profitable to sponsor these two yokels, and have acted accordingly.
@@arielrodriguez968YEP, that part
"This woman is a literal educated and certified mental health professional"
Lmao
In Murica
Where the academy and psychologists did everything possible to discredit Skinner's theses because muh fascism.
Where Foucault and his thought is taken as the new bible.
Where psychology is even more pseudoscience than in other countries
lmao
Can you possibly try to make a point without body shaming someone? How is that relevant?
Also just from a rhetorical style, ad hominem is not a good look.
Mickey: makes point from her professional background about how conservative Christianity can have negative consequences.
Paul: oh yeah? You're fat.
Embarrassing dude
As a Christian how can you look at someone and judge them on their weight? Lots of people are different weight for different reasons. Disabilities, injuries, hypothyroid ,. You go directly to fat shaming. You are shaming some of your fan base and assuming just because someone is a little bit chubby they don't have self control. You should feel ashamed.
He did not fat shame at all I would rewatch and look at the definition again
I did watch the whole thing and he mocking said how that work out for you..
Do not judge. He said let's go there.
You want to stand up for him that's on you, but why? It's hurtful to people who try hard to eat healthy and have disabilities and don't deserve it. Honestly it doesn't really doesn't matter I'm just trying to spread some light that some people have different body types for a reason.
It’s the same mentality that they use with pregnancies; they go right away to assuming that the reason people get abortions is because they were careless with sex, completely disregarding the many physical and psychological reasons that some pregnancies result in. Perhaps it’s a lack of education but there must be a certain level of judgement to be so black and white in reasoning.
I'm a Christian, and I watched both your and Mickey's video. I don't feel I can speak much on this topic, as barely ever feel sexual attraction. That's not my vice. I do believe there's sexual immorality does exist, but I believe the Bible is talking about purposely looking down a person and objectifying their body for their own gratification. I think what Mickey is saying is that feeling sexual attraction or libido is normal and shouldn't be demonized by policing all of our thoughts. I agree with her, wouldn't you say that God has blessed us with the ability to bond with another person intimately, Paul? It's innately and biologically wired in our brains and isn't always Satan. There's more nuance to this, it's not always black and white. Just because you struggle with it doesn't mean that everyone else does. Some people could watch it and feel no lust at all. May God bless you with some wisdom and time to reflect on your words, which to me, came off a bit condescending and judgmental when you purposely called her by the wrong name to discredit her. You also focused on her weight rather than her words. Do you think this brings glory to God and His name? By saying you are Christian you are acting as a representative for God...please take the time to instead of focusing on being "right", to instead learn how to navigate the world in a healthy way while loving those around you, with God's true love. This should be the priority.
"Just because you struggle with it doesn't mean everyone else does." THANK YOU FOR CALLING THIS OUT. Sincerely, someone who also very rarely has sex on the mind. It's a spectrum like everything else.
I think the funniest part about Paul commenting on mickey’s body is that him and Morgan don’t exactly eat grilled chicken on kale for every meal? Y’all eat out a lot, eat frozen pizza, etc, but you consider that acceptable because you’re thin.
Your body mass does not necessarily correlate to how healthy you are on the inside (especially for someone who is in recovery from an eating disorder like mickey and myself are - while you may have some one year certificate, it’s ability to understand the complexities of psychology and physiology when it comes to people struggling with their relationships with food clearly pales in comparison to both mickey’s understanding and credentials, and that of the psychology community as a whole)
The clips in this video make it painfully clear that Mickey is way more qualified to talk about mental health than Paul is to talk about religion and the Bible.
She's more qualified to talk about the Bible too it's pathetic.
Literally Mickey grew up in a christian fundamentalist environment. She has lived through the damage the church inflicts, not to mention she only informs her videos with peer-reviewed research. Paul thinking he knows more that Drs and LCSWs is so indicative of how brainwashed he is.
I seriously felt second hand embarrassment for him.
Paul’s denial that the church damages people with trauma us so toxic. It invalidates all of the abuse us survivors have gone through. Disgusting man.
Amen to that.
Serious question - are you going to address Mickey’s points in any material way whatsoever or are you going to divert and focus on her weight in every video she rightly questions and criticizes you for. What happens if Morgan develops a chronic illness that brings her to a size that she may have never been before or anticipated to be? I’d be scared to see what ‘godly’ uplifting things you’d say in her direction.
I’d love to know how passing judgement on others based on their appearance or denigrating them falls into Christian values. If you feel your religion calls you to do these things….I think it’s safe to say something has gone awry. If you want to have a significant discussion about values, there was no reason to bring weight into it. The food discussion was just an analogy, it wasn’t nutrition or weight loss advice. All that does is highlight that you either aren’t willing or aren’t able to have any intelligent debate about this. Your attitude in this video isn’t “honoring to god”. Do better.
This is a very surface level response to a very deep criticism. It doesnt sound like P or M understand as much as they think they do.
These people will never engage with content like Mickey’s in good faith. They have to keep up this toxic, prescriptive, fundamentalist messaging so they can keep selling merch and retain whatever relevance they have. I only hope people who watch their channel will be able to see Mickey’s in good faith and see her logic, empathy, and knowledge. Your “rebuttal” basically consisted of shaming her for her weight. I’m not surprised as a lot of the foundations behind your world views come from shame and judgement of yourself and others.
Paul I would love to know what exactly makes you think that you're a scriptural authority
Who even is Missy? Stop acting like you didn’t know her name the entire time
Paul ALWAYS has to bring up weight. Can you imagine how terrified Morgan is to gain even a pound? He would terrorize her.
I feel bad for her and their kids, all living under the same roof with this narcissist 🤮
Her response video has been up for less than 24 hours.
And it has nearly 3x the views 😂
A few questions: What makes you qualified to interpret the World of God in a way that is more "correct" than progressive Christians? Do you know Hebrew or Greek? Do you study theology or philosophy or religion at university? Have you done research about the history of the Bible and of the culture it was written? Well, I have. I'm multilingual and I'm a student of philosophy currently studying it at university. You think the word is clear, but let me tell you that IT IS NOT! Do you know why? Because it's not even a word of today and it's not written in English. Some Hebrew words that the apostle Paul wrote were words he made up to describe an action and not a word that was established before it was written down by him. So it's not really a clear text! And I say this as a (progressive) Christian myself. Another question I have is why a fat woman can't give advice about food? I'm a fat woman myself and I have an illness that affects my joints and lungs and that's the reason I'm fat, not because I eat too much (I literally eat like an anorectic!) so don't be too fast to judge, because we don't know Mickey's health history! If you really are a specialist in nutrition you would know that metabolism and autoimmune illnesses (among other things) can be linked to fatness but that does not mean the person isn't healthy when it comes to the act of eating! If I would give you some advice I would say: listen to people outside of yourself. "When you speak you just say what you already know, but when you listen you might learn something new".
THANK YOU FOR SAYING THIS 🙏👏❤️
@@ascent-um1eg I hope Paul and Morgan see this comment because I would be curious about their answer...
Also, the fact you say you don’t recommend watching her video is so indicative of how closed off and in a bubble you are. Like god forbid you hear the viewpoints of other people. A master’s degree and being a licensed therapist is nothing to sneeze at.
He’s scared to death of sending people over to Mickeys channel. He doesn’t want to be responsible for potentially (though unintentionally) planting seeds of cognitive dissonance and religious unlearning. He’d lose more viewers.
So insecure bro.
This whole entire video is literally just Mickey making the most logical arguments and you saying she can’t make good arguments because she’s overweight. And you guys scratch your heads on why more and more people leave the church 😭
Can’t follow the ideology once you bring logic into it which is why he avoids it
@@BaelaNyx that’s true because he never provided an actual response to her arguments
He had the audacity to open this video with an “is that how therapists look like?” I cannot believe the amount of bullshit that came out of his mouth! It’s all so so SO extremely dangerous! The amount of young people who could watch this and could feel oppressed, hated and feel like they are never enough because of this. It blows my mind how someone can say they are Christians and live for the word of god and still feel the need to say even 1% of what these people say… shame on you.
What’s wrong with saying that?
@@michaellemmen the fact that you ask that is part of the problem
okay. @@itziar716
@@itziar716 YES, therapists shouldn't look like this, you Americans are so ignorant in human behavior, that's why your psychology is reduced to mysticism, the pseudoscience of cognitivism and what Foucault said 40 years ago, no pervert should be in the position of therapist, much less someone who is not capable of regulating or extinguishing their behaviors, apart from speaking with Marxist terminology that implies much more nonsense
I can’t tell if you’re saying “missy” to be condescending or literally don’t realize her name is “Mickey” like the mouse.
He was in the chat hyping the audience to guess how many times he called her the wrong name, then when the comments came flooding in he backtracked and claimed he was "bad at remembering names" and that it was accidental. Thing is, he had ample time to edit the video, and it looks like he did spend effort into editing it. It would have taken next to NO effort to add a little text box pop up : "I messed up her name throughout but didn't mean to!" To me, this clearly shows he meant to. When we deny our original intent to save ourselves from criticism, that's dishonesty (and very gaslighty). I'm pretty sure the Bible said a few things about that one.
"Missy" is also a very juvenile and patronizing name to call someone. This was on purpose.
No way you can mix the two up. He literally says her name correctly in the beginning when telling the unfortunate audience who she is.
Paul, if you truly are educated in the field of health and diet, you should know and understand that there is a lot more nuance to this subject than "fat = too much food".
Truly, you've embarrassed yourself here. And you've also shown there are indeed lots of things you cannot comprehend.
This!!
What’s happened, in my professional opinion, is that Paul is full of shit
As a ex patreon and someone who loves you both as my brother and sister in Christ, i am disappointed in how you handled this Paul. Bringing up her weight was not only unecessary but also unChrist like. I do hope you take my thoughts in account as someone who was a patreon for awhile. I also dont think its appropriate for you to only care what people who are paying you think.
With all that said, i get your point on watching movies with sex scenes. I think it really is based on what you struggle with, like me, i could watch a movie that has a sex scene in it and it have absolutely no impact on me because ive never struggled with lust. BUT i do struggle with binge eating and i can very easily fall into gluttony so i try to keep healthy foods in my home. I also want to say that she actually kind of has a point with hyperfixating on a thing. From a biblical standpoint, we see in scripture that the strength of sin is the law. The more you focus on the law the more you sin, just like paul talks about in Romans 7, BUT the grace of God is what teaches us to deny ungodliness.
For example, if you put a bowl of candy in front of a child and tell them not to eat it until you get back, they are going to eat it all.
Overall, i do hope you think about what im saying with bringing up her weight and i pray youre more gracious and less prideful and jabby.
Hey sister in Christ! I have totally agreed with everything you said except one thing when you said you can watch a sex scene without actually sinning. You know the Bible says in Psalms 101:3 “I will set nothing wicked or worthless before my eyes. I hate the work of those who fall away it shall not cling to me” A lot of the times as Christians we are not aware of the fact that a battle with sin you may be facing in one area comes as a result of an OPEN DOOR 🚪 in another area to sin. Which in your case is watching send scenes. That opens the door to the list of the flesh which isn’t only listful desires but it can reveal itself in the form of gluttony too or binge eating. Why? Because you haven’t disciplined yourself in another area and although you’re not struggling in that area, that could be what is affecting your binge eating. So I just wanted to encourage you that it’s not only the grace of God that keeps us from sinning, but actually the LOVE OF JESUS! Because in book of John Jesus says “if anyone loves me he will keep my commandments. And my Father will love Him and We will come to Him and make our home with Him” this is why we are more than conquerors through Jesus Christ who loved us! Amen! 🙏
@@marinalenai8018 are you implying that sex is wicked?
My dude, wow….
I Imagine there are A LOT of us here (me included) that ARE experts (PhD/Psyd level of education) that can rip you to shreds, however, we hold back EXCEPT when you say something that reveals your heart and would grieve the heart of our savior.
Mickey does not need me or anyone else to defend her. That woman is solid. I will say, if half the therapist in the planet were like her the world would be a much better place.
You judged based on her appearance. I BEG YOU TO EXPLAIN HOW’S THAT DIFFERENT FROM ARDENT BIGOTRY.
On many occasions you talked about being judged for your beliefs.
@@coyotes79 is this really Paul😬
@@willbanks9294it totally is 🤭
@@coyotes79 her name is Mickey what’s your point
First of all, what do you mean by… Is this how therapists look now. Do therapists look a certain way? Are they supposed to look a certain way? Also, as a person who just got licensed in therapy I find Mickey to be correct and everything she was saying. For Paul to go after her weight because she is explaining how restrictions can cause binging is abhorrent and non-Christian. She was not coaching anyone on food. She was making a reference to explain her point. If Paul has this certification why doesn’t he have a little “box“ under his channel name. I actually liked this channel at one time but this is toxic, demeaning, and downright nasty.
Not gonna lie, you guys had me, until, you brought her weight into it. As somebody with a recovering eating disorder, there are many reasons why one can be overweight. Honestly, this was low, Paul…….
You’re just going to ignore that she insulted him too?? His intelligence.. something she CANT see? 🤷🏼♀️
@@troofinadvertising have you never been lied to or betrayed or deceived? I’m sure you have therefore you’re unintelligent?
@@haleyheard6968 an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
@@chronicallygilliann it wasn’t to retaliate. She opened the argument he simply rebutted it. As would anyone driving their point home
@@troofinadvertising just because you have discernment doesn’t mean you know everything like God does!
I dont watch this channel so maybe this wasnt the BEST representation of this content but my jaw dropped several times at what was said and how it was relayed. This guy has no concept of humility, empathy, or grace. You may try to say the right words but the sincerity is nowhere to be found as demonstrated by your actions throughout. The way he spoke and the misdirection and misunderstanding was dumbfounding.
Agreed. He seems very immature
Well said 100%
This is absolutely representative. He’s not a nice guy.
She’s correct in saying that this kind of hyper-vigilance does create anxiety. If you’re constantly worried that you watching a certain show is going to ruin your salvation then that would cause anxiety in some folks. It makes people afraid to do anything and that’s not a healthy way to live.
It’s amazing how I’ve taken the casual approach to television and I haven’t become a sexually perverse monster. Saying “well you’re fat therefore the casual approach to things doesn’t work” isn’t a valid argument. It’s a logical fallacy called causal fallacy. Actually there are a lot of fallacy’s in this video. You benefit from having Morgan sitting next to you.
Also her name is Mickey. If you’re going to make a video about someone the least you can do is get their name right.
It only causes anxiety if they are thinking wrongly about the situation. You can't lose your salvation from sinning or being tempted. You can't lose your salvation that way. That comes from not understanding the Gospel. Being vigilant and not putting yourself in situations that will tempt you is just wisdom. Jesus used hyperbole saying you should cut off your hand if it causes you to sin. Avoiding situations that can lead you personally to sin is smart. Some people may be able to handle that show. But others cannot.
If certain shows don't lead you to sin, good. But don't critique others with a stronger conviction on the issue. Some people like me are convicted not to drink. Other Christians do drink without getting drunk. Both have a different conscious and know what we can and can't handle. Paul takes a stronger approach and wants people to self-reflect and know if they can't handle it to not do it.
You also are wrong about the causal fallacy. You would be correct if he said a causal approach to tv has lead to her bad weight. But Paul was specific about her being casual about food. If you are casual about your diet and don't have a high metabolism and eat junk all the time, you will be fat. That is the proper consequence to eating unhealthy. It isn't a causal fallacy to say that I let go of my pen on Earth, therefore the pen will drop due to gravity. Causes have effects. Being casual in your diet does lead to being overweight. Being causal in anything related to health of the individual, whether sin or food or anything else of high importance is bad. If you are intentional in what you watch and know you can handle sex in tv, fine. At least you are being intentional. But being casual can lead to a lot of issues and very unhealthy places. In food it definitely does. In issues like sex on tv, though it may not affect everyone the same way, it can be dangerous to other individuals. Being casual does not work. We need to know ourselves and what is healthy for us.
@@gospelfreak5828 if you have one or 2 things that you’re vigilant about because they’re specifically bad for you that’s different than having anxiety caused by religion. Paul and Morgan actively preach hyper vigilance about nearly everything. They can’t even listen to secular music without a conviction. That is the sort of stuff that can absolutely cause someone to have anxiety about day to day life.
Paul said “you are fat, how is the casual approach working for you” as if to assume that she’s 1) attempting to lose weight in the first place or 2) doesn’t have any other compounding factors that contribute to her weight. Paul’s argument was absolutely a fallacy. He assumed that she was being casual about her food intake based on her weight when that premise may or may not be true and Paul has no idea if it is.
@@rubylightshow1585 No it does not cause anxiety. You have just committed a causal fallacy. Cuz I've known people who are hyper vigilant and afterwards became anxious. And I have also known people who are hyper vigilant and the most at peace people I have ever known. In fact, I've known people who have felt less anxious after getting rid of things like that. What's it to you if they don't listen to secular music? I have a conviction right now to not listen to it that has started recently. This is for a period of time, so I don't think this conviction is permanent. People have their own convictions of what they can handle. Paul and Morgan can't handle secular music. What is that to you? Who are you to judge what they are convicted about?
Maybe his premise is wrong. That does not make it the causal fallacy. You seem to misunderstand how fallacies work. Someone can make a syllogism (a form of argumentation in logic) and there can be zero fallacies in that argument. The argument can be valid (meaning not illogical) but not sound (as in actually being true). For example, the Kalam cosmological argument.
1. Everything that begins to exist has a cause.
2. The universe began to exist.
3. C: Therefore, the universe has a cause.
This is a sound syllogism not committing any fallacy in logic. Whether it is true is the real question. Many atheists will reject the first and/or second premise. Paul is running on the premise that being healthy is good, and that this lady is not healthy for diet reasons. Maybe he believes that since she used diet as an example in her video. I don't know Paul's thought process or why he assumes this, but if his premise is right, then his argument is right. Having a premise isn't a fallacy. That isn't how logic works. Assumptions aren't fallacies. They are just assumptions. Some are warranted or justifiable, though not proven. Other assumptions are out there or unfair. Maybe Paul's assumption is unfair. But his point and argument still stand: if you do not care about important things and are flippant in what you do, it usually does not end well.
That is just general wisdom and common sense. Maybe his assumption is unfair. If you, however, replace her being the subject with a general person, and the argument is sound. The point is sound. You are so focused on the subject material of the argument (Using this lady in the argument instead of generalizing it) you miss the point of the argument. That is bad hermeneutics. That is bad exegesis. We must seek to understand the major point the person is trying to get across. Paul's main point was being flippant about what you do is wrong. So, you can say he was rude to assume things about her personal health and shouldn't have made it personal like that. I would agree, unless he has some sort of knowledge about her we are unaware of and knows her situation. I would hope he did, but it doesn't seem like it. I wouldn't have made it personal. She made things personal with unfair assumptions first, so I can see why Paul may in his emotions have gotten upset and became personal with assumptions of his own back. If that is the case, he is still wrong in this situation morally, and it is understandable why he failed here. People are not perfect. I do not know how well Paul knows this lady. And I would hope after self-reflection he could see these assumptions were not warranted and there was no reason to be personal like that when he does not know her situation. You can't say he is wrong though in his argumentation and his line of logic because he was mean. Morally, yeah. he is wrong. Logically, his argument is sound.
@@troofinadvertising Prove it
I personally don't think either Paul or Morgan are fundamentalists...I think they're fake.
They found a niche audience, who will buy their merch, and they play with it.
The part I do agree with the therapist is the seemingly lack of maturity.
It's odd that these two have not matured and grown into more mature adults. Morgan seems stuck as a young teenager (doesn't help that Paul infantilizes her) and he seems to be stunted himself around 19 or 20. Even here Paul is acting like your typical high school bully, like you see in every teenage movie. But justifying his insulting behavior within religion.
It's quite disturbing in it's own way.
Do you have an educational degree ie: did you attend a college or other school to be the professional you are claiming? If so you can submit that paper certificate to UA-cam and once they verify it’s validity you can also get the little box that shows you are actually qualified to teach your learning to others. To just claim you are a professional doesn’t mean squat.
the fact that you purposely keep referring to mickey as “missy” despite knowing her name is so disrespectful and definitely not a good way to get your toxic point across. am i surprised though? definitely not. wouldn’t expect anything else from you, paul.
I took it as his misogyny showing. He didn't like a woman calling him out so he felt the right to call her "Missy", kind of like calling her miss woman.
@@thewrongshoes i definitely see it as both. purposely saying her name wrong as well as calling her “missy” like a grown man would to a little girl when telling her off.
I just want to know if you guys tell your “heavy set” “friends” and family that they’re unhealthy and need to work out and eat better.
Paul and Morgan, you both are embarrassing yourselves. How tragic
Have the life you deserve, Paul and Morgan. Reflect and think about the way you treat people.
“What do you think?”
*gets upset because people disagree*
You say a fat woman shouldn’t be giving advice about diet… ok, well, I say a guy who struggles with lustful thoughts for days because he saw five seconds of a sex scene or a girl in leggings at the gym shouldn’t be giving advice about how to avoid sexual sin. If you’re so weak-willed that you’re unable to watch mere SECONDS of a scene on a show, then clearly your method of controlling your sexual desires ISNT WORKING. I have never in my life been so easily affected by or consumed by seeing a sex scene. It doesn’t get to me, and I don’t think about it after it’s over. For example, if I go out with friends, I’m happy to stay sober or stop after one drink. I don’t think about the alcohol when I get home. If I were an alcoholic, however, I would spend the entire night and the following days thinking tortured thoughts about all the alcohol I was exposed to, and had I drank any, I wouldn’t have been able to stop at one drink. You’re the alcoholic in this example. You have no self-control, and the things you’re doing to stay away from sexual sin ARENT WORKING because you aren’t getting any better.
Another difference between you and Mickey is this. You’re talking authoritatively about how to avoid sexual sin, using yourself as an example of someone successfully avoiding it, even though it looks to me like you’re pretty unsuccessful at it. Mickey, on the other hand, is talking about how to approach your attitude towards food according to evidence-based research. She even mentions in the video that a proper educator doesn’t lean heavily on their own experiences and apply them prescriptively to other people. When she gives advice about diet, her personal situation is irrelevant and she doesn’t bring it up. She’s just telling you what the research says.
Now that I’m done calling you a hypocrite…. The truth is Paul, you’re allowed to struggle with sexual exposure. The alcoholic is allowed to struggle with alcohol. Mickey is allowed to struggle with her weight. If only perfect people could give advice, then there would be no teachers on this world. The problem is that you are small minded and ignorant and trying to apply your life, struggles, and values to all people, whereas Mickey has thousands of hours working with clients of ALL sorts of backgrounds and bases her advice on solid research. That’s why it’s ok for her to give diet advice, but it’s not ok for you to judge people who don’t restrict their TV viewing the way you do.
This is it for me!! 👏 So eloquently put. THANK YOU. 👏👏
the Bible says not to just "avoid" or "exercise control" when it comes to sexual immorality, it says to FLEE from it. hence why paul is saying he would not watch it - not because he doesnt have the self control or will but because we should not put ourselves in positions to test that when it comes to sexual immorality!
Exactly Laura!
Seek help. Why does a stranger on the internet anger you so much ?
Read the Bible, not your feels. Nothing in that comment is biblical. We get it, you hate God.
Paul, no need to say “Yeah you read that right….” We are not shocked a therapist called you out.
Paul is such an entitled person, arrogant, condescendant and so incredibly stupid. Yes, you can compare forbidden and very restricted aspects of your life. The therapist is absolutely in her right to call this out. Extreme restriction leads to suffering, and can also lead to addiction. Every therapist knows people having come out of very controlling environments (such as the one P&M are constantly promoting). There's absolutely no reason to bodyshame and fatshame the therapist. It only shows how incredibly weak Paul is. A Christian should at least try to be nice and comprehensive.
You need to replace Paul’s name with the therapist’s on your first sentence. Did you not notice her condescending, snarky demeanor? Everything was based off her personal hate for Christianity. She’s a bully.
Should a drug addict and alcoholic stop restricting themselves from consumption as well? Aren’t they told the exact opposite? They’re advised to stay as far away as possible-even from ppl that consume. Same goes for explicit content when you’re trying to have a healthy sex life with your spouse. It’s been proven that porn is harmful to our brain and our relationships.
@@aliMS137 Did we even watch the same video? Mickey used evidenced-based research to form her argument, while Paul and Morgan resorted to body shaming because they lack the capacity to use logic. They're weak-willed, judgmental, and honestly the LEAST "Christian" Christians I've ever had the displeasure of hearing about. They're a mockery of healthy Christianity and religious/spiritual culture.
This lady made an entire video in an arrogant, condescending attitude and said “I think there’s a lot of things Paul can’t comprehend,” but it’s Paul that is entitled and arrogant? Okay, that makes a lot of sense.
“Extreme restriction leads to suffering and can also lead to addiction.” That’s not necessarily true for everyone or even most people. That approach (“extreme” restriction) might work for Paul, and he shouldn’t have some arrogant, condescending lady making a response video to him lecturing him about how he’s wrong to think that approach works. And the only “control” P&M advocate for is self-control, and that’s a good thing to promote.
Again, this lady made an arrogant, condescending video about how Paul is wrong to restrict certain things (e.g. junk food and shows with nudity), and if she’s gonna make snarky, condescending comments about Paul being wrong about restricting junk food, then she shouldn’t be surprised when someone points out the obvious (she is fat). Maybe, if she didn’t come in all high and mighty, preaching about how Paul is so dumb and wrong, and how she’s so obviously 🙄 better, then maybe, you could criticize Paul for mentioning the obvious. But in reality, she threw a punch and couldn’t take any back.
My goodness! I guess YOU watched a different video because Morgan wasn’t even in video. 😅
What I said completely went over your head. This “therapist” is not giving therapist, it’s giving bully.
Evidence-based? Common sense would tell you that if you’re trying to stay sexually pure, you should probably stay away from explicit content. You don’t even need to go to college to know that-just logic! 😉
She was coming from a place of hate towards Christian beliefs, nothing else. That’s why she’s making fun of Paul and being condescending. How professional of her.
@@carissas.7644Agreed! Many Christians lack common sense… there’s no love like Christian hate, straight up..
"Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience." Col. 3:12 . Disregarding people you may have hurt with your platform is not compassionate, the comment about Mickey's weight was not kind, the sarcastic "you're forgiven" bit was not humble (not to mention you promoting your merch the first thing in the video), and using your platform to "call out christians'" is not gentle. Please, Paul, if you are a follower of Jesus as you so vehemently claim to be, set aside your emotions for a moment and reflect in your quiet time on some of the things you just said.
Awww I feel for Morgan. She must have a lot of things she wrestles with in her inner world, part of her wanting to be honest and real about how she feels and what beliefs really reflect herself and wanting to appease her husband/church/family and ‘be a good Christian, woman, mom, leader.’ There isn’t much room for her to deviate, explore, and express differences and what her true needs are. There’s so much pressure on her and her discomfort (at times) seems quite visible. I wonder if parts of her love and hate what Mickey highlights about Paul.
She's just as homophobic/transphobic as her husband ..who cares..
she doesn't really seem very smart IMO, so I doubt it, but who knows.
I’m genuinely curious if she was making the same exact content as you, and agreeing with everything you say would you mention her weight? Or just ignore it?
And ya it is fucking weird a grown ass man….Christian/ religious/ or not, Can’t watch a fantastical show that shows boobies a few times without going down satans path 😂. Just say you lack impulse control or lack any of the tools to see a boob and move on. Of course if you have porn addiction issues evaluate that.
And then you use her own example very naively. What does a fat person do when there’s thousands of food ads all day? She can’t block it. It’s all around us. 😂 just like a fat person can watch a McDonald’s commercial and keep it moving, you should be able to see a tit and not feen for a place to put your peen
I’m really glad I unsubscribed from P&M because there’s zero self-reflection or humility and willingness to learn or do better.
The Lord’s name is being used in vain.
Oh Paul, you are proving Mickey correct when you act like such a man child. But I digress, what qualifies you and Miss Morgan to give people advice on what to watch and what not to watch?? I’d be super interested in what your thoughts are on that. I can’t fathom being as young as both of you are and having a soapbox telling anyone what they SHOULD do. I don’t know why I’m giving free advice but if it’s as simple as movies or shows maybe you can say your RECOMMENDATIONS are xyz….you may come across less arrogant. Unless your audience is made up of preteens which I suspect…🤔
Holier than thou. The only thing that’s ironic is that you have a channel to “spread the word of god” but you are the furthest from him. Becoming self-aware of your pride & ego could help you spread the word a lot better. Praying for you 🙏🏻
I will say I’m wildly mad I gave y’all a click and a view but good night nurse.
Your inability to form any type of a “rebuttal” is showing when all you can hold on to is that someone is fat
Also, do you speak for ALL Christians? Of course she doesn’t speak for ALL therapists (although she should imo)
Your feelings got hurt, you reacted, and now ya look absurd because you missed the plot. Mayhaps…can I suggest some legit therapy from a license professional. Or just pray about it, whatever works my dude.
"That's sin, bro!" You're so out of touch
Paul reminds me of my uncle but without the class.
Paul you got dunked so hard
You ARE fundies!! LMAO!! 😂😂😂 I used to be one too (for well over 40 years), and now you are it. 💯% I'm baffled as to why/how you would deny this. Most at my former (fake, ridiculous, controlling) pentecostal church wore it as a badge of honor, saying it just means "We believe the literal, inspired, perfect WURD of GAAWwD!!" 😂😂🤣 (Which is the main lie... they have ZERO fundamental understanding of how the bronze-age book of myths was put together to begin with. 😂
You know I always find comments like this revealing. Because people who are truly happy with the decisions that they have made do not make comments like this. Happy people move on.
@mikaeladonegan2430 LMAO! Nice try at telling people with opinions different from yours to just shup up and move on. Sorry, not falling for your attempted censorship. 😉 I'm 100% happy with my choices. If I wasn't, I'd change them... duh. 🙄
@@HappyHeathen-JDI'm convinced you are actually a young teenager and not a grown adult.
@mikaeladonegan2430 Well that just proves.youll believe anything without evidence. Born in the early 60s and a grandma. But I really don't give a shit what you are "convinced" of.
You “personally wouldn’t recommend” watching the full video that would give context for the clips you’re showing and Mickey as a person?
Tell me you’re a fundamentalist without telling me you’re a fundamentalist…
Am I the only one that understood food was an example?????
It speaks volumes that you are so quick to judge someone based off their appearance. Your comfort making judgments based off appearances is incredibly pathetic, non Christ like, and incredibly sad to see. It’s okay to disagree with someone but it’s not okay to speak down on others. Let’s do better.
If you guys would make some videos of serving the poor and feeding the homeless, maybe people would start to understand the love of God.
Exactly. I’m not religious and I probably spend more hours per week doing charity work than these two. They’re just narcissists.
@@arielrodriguez968 I’m just gonna say it, I don’t think it’s both of them. I think it’s one of them in particular.
@@chronicallygilliann Honestly, yeah. I do think Morgan though is a perfect example of a victim who also perpetuates harm though.
That's called virtue signalling. You will call them out for showing off their morals. They can't win with you people.
@@arielrodriguez968 Nice virtue signalling behind a keyboard.
Question paul: if you say not everyone should tackle these topics as intensely as you are then why does it seems in your videos you are telling people they should view it as you are?
Upon further reflection, after them mentioning views were down a few weeks ago. I can understand why Paul made this video. Topics like this get a TON of traction. It was A smart strategy. They know they will get Mickey’s audience as well.
What a lot of people here shaming Mickey, don’t know, is she has Chronic Pain… she has medical conditions….. but go off.
Have the day you deserve.
Bigotry and ignorance. Just leave. Please. And way to go deleting the comments you don't agree with.
He’ll apparently only be responding to those that affirm him and his undeserved, overinflated ego or don’t directly criticize him.
Wow, you got 2.5 mins in before you had to make a comment on her looks. You realize you talking for over two minutes about her weight only demonstrates you need to put her looks down to try to make a real point, right? Her video covered so much about your video, but you only spent 20 mins discussing what she said and your focus was literally to say....she must not resist food, so she's wrong? Her entire video is extremely detailed and nuanced, and yet your only defense of yourself was "fat person bad".
Just another way American Christianity has become unrecognizable.
Less than two minutes before he mocked her name.
And don't forget, had to get that "Shiny Happy People" reference in there
He is right. She doesn't act like a professional therapist. A real professional threapist wouldn't attack others on the Internet like that. And funny therapist think they are perfect yet she needs therapy. Her not being about to control her eating is another behavior problem. The thing people can have their own opinions and morals on life which she is saying they cannot.
Paul was balanced in his response, including his critique of her weight. I on the other hand did make fun of her weight.😂 Don't lie about Paul's response
The way you say “fundies” is so creepy, I’m shook. Giving me real American horror story clown vibes.
I really think you should take a time off UA-cam and reflect on if you are truly being Christ like. Please.
What does it mean to be Christlike?
Humble, serving and LOVING.
„But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control.“ Galatians 5, 22-23
@@PaulandMorganyou run a whole UA-cam channel about what it apparently means and you are asking someone else that question? Lmfao sad
@@PaulandMorgan Resisting the temptation to make endless petty video responses in order to get clicks on your channel and then calling it ministry, for example…
This comment section proves how much help the U.S needs, the so called therapist calls them “childlike” but have an issue with Paul pushing back; you guys want Christians to have no backbone and give no response to circumstances that needs clarification.
The author of the horrible comments underneath this video chooses to not understand what’s being said by Paul, sexual contents is a pandemic that’s overtaking the culture of America, most things are about “sex, sex, sex,” that’s perversion…not because sex is wrong, God created it but to have it as the expression of what this country represents is repulsive. VERY REPULSIVE. Someone doesn’t even need to be a Christian to be annoyed by how much sexuality has become the beacon of this generation, no therapist can overshadow God’s Word and cancel His intents. Americans are just toooo prideful to shuttttt their mouths and yield to wisdom, they open their mouths even when nothing is coming out of it.
This therapist is as ignorant as ignorance can be!!! Everything she said is contrary to God’s Word, and will not stand the test of time. Sexual immorality is a real issue on this land, it’s necessary for us to guard our hearts; there needs to be boundaries.
Ephesians 4:29 "Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear." I'm not even a Christian, but even I know the entire point of Jesus was to be kind to others. That's it. Petty, juvenile, name calling and belittling is a tacky look. You're a grown adult, ACT LIKE IT.
I think you both make good points when it comes to restrictions. Some people may be able to demonstrate self-control when it comes to sexual content, food, or whatever their vice may be, but for some, they may have to completely cut that thing out in order to practice control. However, I do not appreciate how you attacked her weight. As someone who works in the healthcare field, I am a strong promoter of healthy diet and exercise, but I think it’s wrong to shame someone for their size because you don’t know where someone is at in their weight-loss journey or how the many factors that influence body size are affecting their ability to lose weight. I’m very disappointed that the conversation turned from a response to her views on your beliefs to an attack on her body size. I think this was a very immature and un-Christian-like response on your part.
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This clearly illustrated how firmly you believe in anecdotes over evidence.
"anec-data" is NOT data, Paul.
I almost liked this video thinking I was on Mickey's channel 😂
I think you criticizing her looks takes away from any other argument.
We all have our own struggles and need to do what works for us.
Not criticizing her looks, highlighting the irony and that she may not want to speak on that.
@@PaulandMorganyou literally criticized her looks not once, but twice in the video
@@virginianielsen3480
crit·i·cize
/ˈkridəˌsīz/
verb
1.
indicate the faults of (someone or something) in a disapproving way.
I didn't hear any disapproval or naming of any faults. Saying someone is overweight, when it is objectively the case, is in no way disapproving of their inherent value as an image bearer
@@virginianielsen3480 Since when was the truth a "critique", genius? If the truth hurts that much, then cry me a river. lol
She's a fake "therapist" giving advice on food and what have you, yet is not one whose in any position to talk about it, considering her appearance and how she's not really "taking care of" herself. Also, she mocked Paul for being less intelligent, which is ironic since I doubt she looked at the mirror lately. She's as unintelligent as she is lost, just as you are. ;)
@@virginianielsen3480at the beginning of the video he was talking about the signage and what was in her background. Not her physical appearance. Perhaps that was your understanding because you, yourself are insecure and/or that was your own subconscious talking. Plus his point about her weight is valid.
Why are you wearing pink I thought it was a girls color
I really shouldn't have given you a views or engagement but I gotta ask ( as a former Catholic, now atheist) if there is a God, why, why, why would he care so much about what is done with your gentials or watching other people do stuff with their gentials??? Like logically, not quoting scripture ( which most of the time is misinterpreted and mistranslated anyway) explain to me why that would matter.
And to be more clear also your body as whole
God cares because he made us, he made genitals with specific function and purpose, and homo/trans movement defy that purpose. People say "If it doesn't affect you, why do you care?" Hmm excuse me?!! YES, we should care about what others do behind closed doors, because it not only affects them, it affects the community, the whole country. When we let one part of society decline, this has a real effect on the entire society.
@@InfoLunixHe created us ALL, regardless of who we are or what genitals we have, what faith we have or DONT have, in HIS imagine. There is no defiance with God, if so, this would mean God makes mistakes, and made a mistake in his creations, which would render him as a being who is in fact NOT all omnipotent and not all powerful. Therefore LGBTQ people are just as valid and just as LOVED by God. You're no true Christian if you fill your heart with such narcissistic vitriol and hate towards all humans.
@GB-vw6kr God made us in His image, but also gave us free will, hence an opportunity to make mistakes. God also has an opportunity to make mistakes but he never does because he is perfect. We are not. You are essentially saying that since we are made in God's image that we should all be God. It doesn't work that way.
You should look in to deprogramming
You’re always saying your not a fundie and never give any examples on how you are not. I have also heard you multiple times question people’s salvation like you’re God. Which I’m pretty sure is a sin. You’re indirectly saying if people don’t agree with your form of Christianity then it’s automatically wrong and not Christian. It’s also extremely loving and Christian of you to bring up her weight to try and discredit her.
Innocent until proven guilty. Prove Paul and Morgan are fundies.
That’s not a sin. But they usually, if not always, say they’re not questioning someone’s salvation. That’s just not truthful.
He also referenced her weight because it was a part of her argument. You can’t talk about what healthy boundaries with food is, and not actually enforce those boundaries yourselves so since it’s not working for her, neither will the “causal approach” to sexual content. It’s a fair argument.
@@HOLINESSTOJESUS just because someone is overweight doesn’t automatically mean they have unhealthy boundaries with food. 🤦🏼♀️
@@HOLINESSTOJESUS how is questioning whether someone is Christian or not different than questioning their salvation?
Do you ever talk about abuse in your videos? It's a serious problem in the church. I've seen some of your videos and you say if you're really struggling in your marriage, just keep pushing through? And that you HAVE to have sex with your husband? You should never be forced to have sex with someone. If you are being forced, even if it's by your husband, that's still rape! You never bring that up? If your husband is beating you, isolating you, emotionally manipulating you, you're supposed to 'keep together'? I really think you need to talk about it. It's a serious problem in the church. People are shocked when church abuse stories are revealed, I don't understand why people are shocked, when the church just makes it so easy for perpetrators to gather future victims. If the system makes it easy for perpetrators, then there's something wrong with the system.
Paul, as someone who is interested in health and wellness, you should know there are women out there that struggle with hormonal disorders and such that make losing weight nearly impossible (PCOS, insulin resistance, etc.). Your comment has no grace or understanding for that, especially because you don't know her. It seems being on this platform has made you comfortable with making those types of comments that others have made about you. I encourage you not to give into that worldly way of addressing others. Philippians 2:3-4 - "Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others."
Which hormones turn salads into body fat? Please name them.
I was on a medication that took away the insomnia I’ve had for decades. But it turns out the side effects are changes in metabolism, increased hunger, and binge eating. My doctor didn’t tell me so, and when I told him how much weight I’d gained, he still didn’t mention it. I got a second opinion, and the doctor immediately weaned me off the meds to put me on a different one.
If you don’t have a medical background or have never experienced an eating disorder or similar symptoms, then you have no clue what you’re talking about. I used to think it was as easy as “put the fork down”, but gnawing hunger and anxiety are completely overwhelming. I tried so many things to get the binging under control and got depressed when I couldn’t stop. I was so angry when I learned that the medication was the one making me this ravenously and anxiously hungry. I’m a disciplined person. I have an engineering degree and a tough job. I’m no stranger to buckling down to get things done. And yet I found myself with zero self-control. I was constantly putting myself down, talking myself back up, feeling guilty, lying to myself. And it’s not as easy as not buying the food… because you convince yourself that this time it’ll be ok because this time you have a new method to control yourself. And then when you fail, you feel bad for failing and stupid for having talked yourself into it. I have never felt so hopelessly out of control in my own body. I tried fleeing from food, and it just creates bad habits and anxiety. Now that I’m off the meds, I’m trying to repair my relationship with food, and I am NOT taking the anxiety-inducing restriction approach.
I’m so, so happy to be off those meds. But you know what? I get it now. I understand why people struggle so much to lose weight and “put the fork down”, as I would’ve said in the past. The mind is an incredibly powerful and incredibly weak thing all at the same time. Anyone who makes fun of a fat person willy nilly is quite possibly making fun of someone with an eating disorder or physical condition. And we haven’t even talked about the socio-political aspect of the obesity pandemic. That’s a whole other reason for being fat that’s largely outside of people’s control. It’s a serious issue that deserves respect, not fat shaming.
I think it’s sick that someone with an alleged nutritionist background would stoop so low. It shows a huge lack of knowledge and empathy. Being honest and strict with someone isn’t the same as being an asshole, and I really hope he wasn’t an asshole to his clients.
@@GreroSalads contain calories. Calories consist of fat, carbohydrates and protein, all of which can be converted to body fat. Some people struggle with conditions such as hypothyroidism, PCOS, an imbalance of cortisol (a HORMONE), taking certain medications, and so many more conditions. These conditions alter the way your body burns and/or converts calories to body fat. In addition to the hormone cortisol, in the case of PCOS, your body becomes resistant to insulin (another HORMONE), which causes your pancreas to make an excess amount of it, excessively promoting fat storage.
Not to mention the genetic impact on weight that obesity twin studies have shown (the genetic contribution to BMI is ~60-80%)
@@Greroshort answer: cortisol, insulin, estrogen, thyroid hormones, glucocorticoids, etc.
And Paul should know this if he really is certified in weight loss. It’s like obesity 101
@@Grerodo you think Jesus would approve of the way you’re speaking ?
What’s that saying, Paul? Hurt dogs will hollar?
Someone made this point earlier but I’m echoing it again so you maybe you’ll deign to read and respond - if being overweight is ‘ungodly’, explain why this ‘Christian’ nation is 70% overweight with a 39% obesity rate for adult Americans? If a believer gains weight via an accident, pregnancy, biological ailment, are they going to hell? Do they lose less value in your eyes? Didn’t your savior preach acceptance and focusing on the uplifting the countenance of people? Why you so focused on Mickeys weight, you hypocrite?
Gluttony is sinful, which can be done at any weight. By far it’s not the worst sin, but overindulgence hurts us. Weight gain as a result of pregnancy, or physical ailments aren’t a result of gluttony, so I don’t believe that’s sinful. Many Americans live willingly in sins that are far worse and more destructive than gluttony, so I don’t think that’s a fair argument. Gluttony, like all sins, isn’t going to send someone to hell as long as they accept Jesus as their savior.
it;s almost like...he's just being a jerk
@@gangrene11 exactly! That’s all he’s capable of doing - defaulting to weight insults like a child.
@@FeechLaMannas even though it is no one's business but her own, Micky explained everything she went through regarding her weight and her relationship with food. And Paul STILL brings it up. He's not even listening at this point.
Does Morgan ever appear in this saga between you and the therapist? Because…I would have loved to see her reaction when your go-to to discredit a woman was to include her weight and size.. is Morgan allowed to read comments?👀😂 because yikes I would be embarrassed if my husband was doing something like this online.. and honestly you had me until weight was brought up. Came across as very..ungodly? Especially as a husband.. whether Morgan admits it to herself or you, your comments like that could cause unintentional fear within her to constantly look a certain way. As a godly man, you should always be conscience of uplifting your wife.. hating on other women for their appearance just isn’t a good look.. hope the best for you and your family ❤️
This couple is the opposite of godly. Paul is a narcissist & Morgan is a pushover. I’m so tired of these types of people spreading their toxic messages… honestly pushed me further away from church than closer.
Oh my god I can't believe you dedicated A THIRD OF THE VIDEO to bullying Mickey for her appearance. Not very Christ-like of you, Paul. This is literally just you being butthurt and bullying someone for it.
@@coyotes79 he literally, in the video, makes the thinly-veiled argument of: you say that food can/should be enjoyed in moderation and that's the clinical consensus on it, but you're still fat, so [clearly that's wrong and you're wrong about it and thus wrong about porn too].
@@coyotes79 Unsolicited comments on anyone's weight is, at best, rude. There is also stigma involved here because he made assumptions concerning her eating habits. Assumptions which, in truth, are incorrect. It is these assumptions and the inability to ever be able to respond to them and be believed that is bullying. Such assumptions are made even worse because of the beauty standards to which women are expected to either conform or be labeled inadequate, undesireable, a failure. Paul's relentless obduracy to unchecked opinions and beliefs about himself as an authority seem to block any introspection. He himself stated in reference to Morgan's postnatal weight that he hoped she'd lose the excess and get back to her skinny self soon. That sort of statement is callous, selfish, and an excellent example of verbal abuse. It is not loving his wife as Christ loves the Church. It is not honoring and cherishing her.
Paul sounds like the liberal snowflakes he criticizes so much. Always so bothered and so sensitive.
doesn't sound bothered or sensitive. The little bit of frustration is because people speaking against Christianty who have no idea what it is but think they do, is frustrating. he did great. she did not. her disdain was dripping. she was defending her way of life. but she wasn't attacked. she is condemned. I pray she sees it!
paul can’t believe…wait for it…a woman! called him out
Lol anyone’s allowed to call me out I’m allowed to give me rebuttal. I don’t care the sex
@@PaulandMorganbut you literally were talking about her weight as a rebuttal. That's some grade school stuff. She never said she was a fitness expert - she is a mental health professional
Embarrassing response bro 🙏🔥🔥🔥🗣️💯
I thought it was solid :)
@@PaulandMorganI don’t doubt that, Paul :)
@@PaulandMorganthe woman in the video has no right to tell Christian's how to follow the bible when she herself does not follow the bible.
@@PaulandMorgan solid shit 💀
Embarrassing for sure
Of course every true Christ follower will not agree with what she had to say but commenting on her weight was truly not necessary. I think that was a bit personal and not kind in any way. We never know what people are going through and as Christians we are meant to always meet people in love. It saddened me that you went there instead of explaining how intuitive eating may not work for all people if that’s what you wanted to get at.
She disrespected Paul by making a comment on his intellect and his comprehension, yet you never brought that up. lol
Is he "wrong" to though? She IS obese, lives an unhealthy lifestyle, and is a poor role model.
@@yusufalsanadwhat happened to not taking revenge? How are we setting example by acting in the same way as thoes who don’t believe? Tit for tat just isn’t it
@@yusufalsanadtit for tat isn’t exactly a Christlike response. Imagine attacking people every time they said something that wasn’t nice about you. I thought we as Christians are supposed to be better than that.
Does the Bible teach you to be patronizing and condescending, Paulie? Your awful attitude makes me want to run far away from your faith. Great job evangelizing, bro.
Why can’t you remember people’s names?!
yikes
This is cringe inducing to watch. And I don’t mean the licensed therapist. I haven’t watched Paul and Morgan vids in years. Today they popped in my mind and I decided to revisit them with the hopes of that some evolution, enlightenment, some form of positive change had come into their thinking. Sadly it seems the same old song and dance.
Paul, I don’t agree with a lot of the arguements she used (I even commented disagreeing with her), but I don’t think she was giving “health/diet advice”. She was using a metaphor to illustrate her point and was talking about taking care of children in the example, even if you are going to be literal about it. It feels like you were looking for an excuse to jump to insult her appearance and as someone who watches you guys a lot it felt like a low blow you didn’t need to make for your point.
She was though, somewhat.
@cappylover192 yeah, so what? You don't know why she is overweight...she can tell everyone what the diet advice is if she want too. No matter if she doesn't eat like that nor how much she weight, it wouldn't change the way what the diet advice is
@@cappylover192 she was not in any way giving diet advice. It is hard for me to comprehend how dense you people are.
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I’m Christian, but I am actually beginning to understand and see why secular people mock evangelicals. It’s the attitude that Paul has. It’s totally uncalled for. He missed the point entirely. I don’t agree with a lot of what she said either, but I don’t agree with how Paul handled this situation. As Christians, we’re supposed to be a good witness. This ain’t it.
She was using the health metaphor to support her argument. She never said she was personally on a diet. Its disgusting how you jumped on that point so you could insult her.
I think his point was if you want to look like her, follow her food advice. If you want to live like her (not in a God-honoring way), by all means follow her advice.
@@sarahderuiter4023 I didn't say that I disagree with what he's saying. All I'm saying is that it was uncalled for to call her heavy when that wasn't relevant. He didn't need to do that to discuss his point.
@@afeleymaduro9765 she brought it up. It was relevant to her point and relevant to his.
Fat people can become dietitians, nutritionists, etc because they’re not telling you how to live like they do, they’re telling you what evidence-based research says you should do for your own situation and for your own goals. The doctor’s health is irrelevant. Someone in a wheelchair could be an exercise trainer. Someone without kids could be a pediatrician. A man can be a gynecologist. Your average guy could be an Olympic trainer or a football coach. If you have the education and textbook knowledge, you can teach the subject, and it doesn’t matter what your own situation is.
Yes, you gain a little something by having personal experience, but you have to understand… as a woman, I am only familiar with my own experience of being a woman. A male gynecologist is familiar with the experience of hundreds upon hundreds of female patients. He has heard countless stories, treated countless conditions, and spent years studying all sorts of subjects. He probably has a better understanding of what it’s like to be a woman than I do, and I AM a woman. 😅
So the lesson here is: don’t judge people by how they look!!! If your nutritionist or therapist or whatever has the degree and experience helping hundreds of clients, then it shouldn’t matter if they’re fat themselves. It doesn’t nullify their knowledge.
@2:35 Genuinely, I don’t know what you mean. Are you commenting on her weight and implying that a fat person can’t be trained to help people overcome their harmful beliefs? Im very confused
Would you let someone who has a negative net worth, who’s broke and living paycheck to paycheck give you financial advice?
@@anon_c3po If said someone had a professional background in financial advising and the majority of financial advisors agreed with him based on empirical, longitudinal data, I would take his advice, yes.
@@anon_c3podepends, is he broke because he doesn’t know shit about finance? Or is he broke for another reason, for example, a shitty economy or medical bills or something? I work in aerospace, and I hardly do anything aerospace-related in my personal life. I can’t even fly the planes I’ve worked on. You’re over-simplifying the question.
@@anon_c3po No, but there are many who have voted for one before. (Sincerely not serious.. I just really wanted to contribute my immediate thought. This explanation seems appropos of the discussion though :) )
"Do you not see and understand that whatever goes into the mouth passes into the abdomen and so passes on into the place where discharges are deposited? But whatever comes out of the mouth comes from the heart, and this is what makes a man unclean and defiles him." This is all sounding mighty Pharisaical, my dude. Also I know many people in larger bodies who have healthier relationships with food and movement than some of my skinniest friends. Something to consider before making assumptions about someone else's body and their relationship to food!
Paul: advocates against watching shows with nudity
Progressive, arrogant, condescending “licensed therapist” on YT: actually, restricting certain things like junk food and shows with nudity is actually unhealthy because it creates a scarcity mindset that makes you want it more.
Paul: how’s that working for you?
Some random person on the internet: yOu sOuNd mIgHtY pHarisAiCaL mY dUdE
This video has been out for a little bit now so I kind of doubt my comment will be seen but you know what the heck. I know what Paul and Morgan would say in response to me because I used to be very much like them in their beliefs and world view. They will say I was never a real Christian. But I’m going to say what I’m going to say anyway. I used to be heavily into religion and I was so miserable. And I felt guilty and ashamed to admit to myself that I was miserable because I felt I was sinning by being miserable. I felt like everything I thought, said, and did was a sin. I felt guilt all day every day for every little thing I was doing. The more I read the Bible, the worse I felt because it felt like everything was bad. I wouldn’t let myself listen to music that really wasn’t even saying anything bad simply because it wasn’t “Christian”. I hated myself. Christians will say “have hope and be free” but how are you free if you’re miserable? They’ll say that you don’t do works to go to heaven and just believe in Jesus, but then they will continuously tell you how everything you’re doing is wrong or bad and if you are doing this, this, and this you’re not a real Christian and you’re going to hell. I lived in constant fear. I couldn’t do it anymore. It’s too heavy of a weight to carry all the time. My point is I get what Micky was saying in her video. I sometimes wonder if Christians would even be Christian if they weren’t scared of hell. The things God does in a bible… just think of a human did those things we would all be appalled. Like if a dictator said go kill children and women like in the Bible. Or if someone said I’m going to kill the first born child of everyone here. Or if you don’t love me I’m going to kill you. We would think they were a psychopath. But it’s okay if god does it? And yeah the answer is always god is so much smarter than us and we don’t understand his ways. Blah blah blah. It’s not doing it for me anymore. It doesn’t sit well with me. I don’t have any hate toward Paul and Morgan because I know they think they are helping people and aren’t intending to do harm. But I’m glad I’m not a part of that belief system anymore.
I've had these exact conversations with friends in person. I'm still figuring out what my belief system looks like post-deconstruction, but there are so many toxic, limiting beliefs associated with Christianity that I passionately reject now.
@13:28 It’s not just her that is saying that restricting and forbidding certain foods- it’s the majority of mental health professionals who work with people who have a poor relationship with food. So her weight has nothing to do with it. It is very rude of you to call out her weight when she is just repeating the consensus of her profession.
Should a drug addict and alcoholic stop restricting themselves from consumption as well. They’re told the opposite -they need to stay as far away as possible. Same goes for explicit content if you’re trying to have a healthy sex life with your spouse. It’s been proven that porn is harmful to our brain and our relationships. Her example was an awful take.
@@aliMS137 Actually, hyperfocusing on not trying to relapse or drink often leads to relapse. And in fact, a lot of mental health professionals understand that relapse is a necessary part of recovery in order to get better. So, while mental health professionals advise against taking substances when one is an addict, they are not going to make a person feel bad for relapsing. It is not a moral failing.
Furthermore, as someone who struggled with an ED, I can attest that this is indeed true. Once I learned how to intuitively eat, I got better. Once I stopped restricting and stopped seeing foods as good or bad, I got better. I’m not going to talk about porn or sexual content, because that’s not what my original post was about. It was simply highlighting Paul’s very ignorant take.
It's rude of them, but unsurprising given how incredibly toxic the rest of this channel is. They continue to run directly into the points that Mickey makes while simultaneously MISSING those points, all because of their alleged godly intentions. They have no factual, realistic basis for their arguments, which is why they resort to fat-shaming and other low-intellect attacks. They clearly lack any ability to reason and use logic, otherwise they wouldn't double-down on their god-fucking-AWFUL takes.
@@lilren2021 you’re really going off the rails. Paul never argued that people should hyper-focus on anything. It’s just common sense to stay away from explicit content if you’re trying to stay pure. It’s that simple. Everyone has different battles and certain things affect people differently. No one should be made fun of for having personal convictions and avoiding certain things.
It’s not rude to call out her weight, it’s a basic general observation. Saying that it’s rude is you implying there’s something wrong with her weight. There’s nothing wrong with her weight, it’s just reality of her choices and/or preexisting conditions. Weight is neutral and generally (not always) but generally a result of your habits.
13:58 I'm not sure you understand irony.
LMAOOOOOOOOOOO
You being mean doesn not make you a good christian
Literally, how weak and childish to use this argument, 'you're heavy so clearly the causal approach doesn't work' knowing nothing about her experience. Rather than just saying 'I've personally never seen the casual approach work, here are some quoted or examples from my training and how the other approach works'. Absolutely appalled at his approach here and I try so hard to listen but the approaches and attitudes of having a voice do not sit well with me alot of the time and I have some clear views myself that would probably be similar to them but approached very differently kindly and effectively. ❤
Being nice is not a Christian virtue
How silly to think that stating the obvious is being “mean”. He wasn’t fat shaming or calling her names, he was responding to HER example about FOOD!!! Stop being such a snowflake.
Pau was simply stating the obvious and addressing a comment Atkins made. Truth these days is so offensive to certain people. But what remains is… why are we so offended by logic and truth? There is such a desire to be so autonomous (void of God and morality) that when truth hits us between the eyes… we choose to ignore it. Ignorance is NOT bliss. Please seek Christ for truth, clarity, and morality. He will show you why you are so offended by Paul’s “mean” response.
@@pvargas42 Mickey was using logic and truth with factual based evidence on how some of Paul’s views are harmful. And she didn’t have to attack Paul’s looks to do it. Christians like you stay offended so don’t try to twist it.
I'm not sure how I feel about response videos on any side when the focus on name clearing rather than balanced education and reducing harm on all topics covered. I hope everyone finds professional advice and care in their real life and doesn't take to heart too heavily anything anyone you don't truly know tells you whether it's good or not. Because it's not your real everyday world ❤ I'm more about spending time in silence studying and mulling on decernment and learning and think this should outweigh how much I speak and when I do ❤ Also it was not necessary to comment on her body as your argument thats a petty cruel and weak way to back yourself up, you could have easily made your point without speaking on hers or anyone's body knowing nothing about their experience. You could have easily said 'I haven't seen the casual approach work, let me know if it has'. Not 'well you're heavy so it clearly hasn't worked'. Not impressed with that approach Paul. I'm being real with you hope you appreciate that.
Here’s the thing… for someone trying to resist sexual temptation on their own strength, without the Holy Spirit.. it absolutely would cause anxiety and stress to an unhealthy level. We obey God’s word out of love for Him, and we have the Holy Spirit empowering us to resist temptation. If someone who does not know God tries to adhere to His standards, the motivation has to come from something like fear, shame, peer pressure, need for control and so forth.
Which is what makes the gospel so beautiful, and needed. 💗
This ^
Paul has a very inflated perception of his own intelligence/ intellectualism. So excited to see him try to refute someone who is actually smart, informed and educated.
Where is your nutrition verification from? An actual school or your dad?
You don’t even have the intelligence to create an actual username
Friend... Actually listen to her videos instead of just nodding in agreement with what she says. If you actually listen she does NOT address what the person actually says. She creates a strawman and then addresses that. So for example Paul says 'I used parental controls info to see what it said about the Witcher and after seeing it had possibly explicit content I decided not to watch it' (that's not exact but that's the idea) INSTEAD OF JUST ADDRESSING WHAT PAUL SAID SHE goes on a tangent impling that Paul used the Parental controls because he's in a cult and needs a parental figure to tell him what he can watch and since it said it wasn't okay with the parental controls he didn't watch it... And that's not what he said. That's not what happened. If someone with PTSD had used that same tool to see if something contained content that was triggering to them y'all would be commending them for being smart about their mental health. When someone wants to avoid sexual content for religious reasons all of a sudden it's snarkable.
The woman is foolish.
@@mikaeladonegan2430I don’t think you quite understand what a straw man argument is
According to your faith Paul, you were set free from this sexual immorality. Why are you afraid of getting “tricked” into sin when you are blameless before God? Are you saved or are you not? Why are you afraid?
Why are you being silly. We can be Saved and still struggle with our weaknesses.
Read scripture, Laura. You clearly don't. Children of Satan have no advise worth listening to about sexuality.
I might be able to answer your question, but Romans 6 does such a perfect job answering your specific question so well. Highly recommend you check it out. (Really all of Romans is a great read for this topic, but chapter 6 is a good place to start. I like the KJV, but there are other versions as well, all free online)
@@Susannah.N “shall we continue to sin so that grace abound? By no means! How can we who dies to sin live in it?” If you are saved, you are dead to sin. “It is by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourself, it is the gift of God.”
We are not saved by works and should not live in fear. “Perfect love casts out all fear.”
Read 1 Peter 4