@@s1lliHe has actually spoken about people he worked with before and the kind of mentality that he saw with certain people especially higher ups. But yeah I'm guessing he's got NDAs too
@@dijkstra4698 you need to read "A Brief History of Time" and be aware of the movements inside Hollywood's dark underbelly. JG-L is a key player in every major event. Think 6 degrees of separation but in conspiracy terms.
Let me summarize: -CEO fired by board -Board assigns a new CEO -Second CEO tries to bring back the first CEO to his postion -Board fires Second CEO -Board assigns a third CEO -Employees technically fires the board -Third CEO successfully brings back first CEO and leaves Edit: fixed point #6
bullet #6 is wrong, investors didn't have the power to fire the board. nobody did but themselves. Third CEO and the board basically faced an entire walk out by all employees if they didn't agree to step down, so finally they did (but only by agreeing that Sam Altman wouldn't be on the board when he got his CEO spot back)
@@atrioc thank you Dr Carbonation for caring to get the FACTS to the PEOPLE. You are making the world of business and biz news exciting and digestable have a happy thanksgiving
Apparently Emmet Shear was one of the main reasons for Sam's return. When he joined the board he asked for hard evidence for the board's decision & when the board did not provide any he immediately threatened to quit as well. I suppose the board couldn't fathom appointing a 4th CEO so they caved
Where did you see that? The last thing I saw was shear saying that he asked the board about it and was comfortable with their decision (paraphrased, maybe I misunderstood)
@@hereandnow3156 "Sam Altman and members of the OpenAI board have opened negotiations aimed at a possible return of the ousted co-founder and chief executive officer to the artificial intelligence company, according to people with knowledge of the matter. Discussions are happening between Altman and at least one board member, Adam D’Angelo, said the people, who asked not to be identified because the deliberations are private and they may not come to fruition. The talks also involve some of OpenAI’s investors, who are also pushing for his reinstatement, one of the people said. In one scenario being discussed, Altman would return as a director on a transitional board, one of the people said. That the board and Altman are in communication is a significant development because until Monday, the directors largely refused to engage with the executive they fired Friday, several people have said. On Monday, the company’s Vice President of Global Affairs Anna Makanju sent a memo to staff saying the company had been in “intense discussions” with the board, Altman and new CEO Emmett Shear to unify the company. The message came after swathes of employees threatened to quit if Altman were not reinstated, among other demands. The board has come under intense scrutiny for its decision to fire Altman, saying that the CEO was not “consistently candid in his communications.” In the days since, board members and staffers have said that the removal was unrelated to “malfeasance” or “safety,” leaving an information vacuum and prompting Microsoft Corp. CEO Satya Nadella to say publicly that he has have been given no explanation. *Even CEO Shear has been left in the dark, according to people familiar with the matter. He has told people close to OpenAI that he doesn’t plan to stick around if the board can’t clearly communicate to him its reasoning for Altman’s sudden firing.* Until Friday, the company’s board consisted of Altman, President Greg Brockman, Chief Scientist Ilya Sutskever, Quora Inc. CEO Adam D’Angelo, tech entrepreneur Tasha McCauley and Helen Toner, director of strategy at Georgetown’s Center for Security and Emerging Technology. After Altman’s exit, Brockman stepped down in protest. OpenAI declined to comment on the negotiations." Source: A bloomberg article, paraphrased in this reddit thread: www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/180n3fg/ceo_shear_has_been_left_in_the_dark_and_has_told/
@@hereandnow3156 the Verge has an artist called "Sam Altman to Return as CEO of OpenAI" that mentions it but they don't put any names or anything on it
All this is the greatest thing ever for Sam's career. He went from "cool CEO" to "underdog tech legend fighting against the evil business" Edit: guys read my reply, I'm not on his side.
If you think this is not evil vs evil and somehow construe this as "legend fighting against evil", I think you need to rethink the entire society thing, dude.
@@TilDrill AI business people are now arguing that businesses are no longer liable for copyright issues because "the information is already out there". They also went back against their initial promises about compensating the sources of the AI pool (which is practically everyone). Basically, businesses are now claiming that AI should be free game which is an egregious and inherently greedy stance to take
Awesome vid Big A! Your shit is awesome, I am someone who is generally very interested in the goings on of the world but I have found that learning about anything as it happens is an absolute slog, with every media outlet click baiting things for headlines to ultimately inform me of nearly nothing. Your videos never fail to deliver information succinctly and entertainingly couldn't live without ya.
It's interesting to think what should be done in such a situation in the future. How should potentially dangerous yet expensive research be conducted to keep it safe? Maybe it should be sponsored and governed by the federal government? But even if they don't have the same financial incentives to push too fast they might have military/geopolitical ones?
@@aharonsidorov5145 federal government is a big no, they will have all the incentive to push forwards, just not making it public. A group of universities non profit might work.
@0Clewi0 yea, but then we have the same problem with funding. Maybe there just needs to be a strong congressional regulatory body that oversees private sector ai technologies.
if sam really wanted to chase the money he would have gone to microsoft with the rest of the company but he came back. That gives me faith that he still cares about AI safety
Corporate snakes 🤷♂️ it’s same people that can never grow up from high school intrigues and politics. For those people it’s natural state of things to walk over others on their way to success.
Why? There's so much money at play. We have no idea what's going on behind the scenes and who is talking to who and pressuring who. You'd be naive to not think the state and military isn't wrapped up in this too. They aren't going to let some company figure out AI independent of them and sell it to another state or let it slip. AI is likely the next big jump in tech, next to alternative energy. You'll probably see people start getting assassinated once things get better and better. Just like nuclear stuff.
An update from Reuters: Indeed, there was a breakthrough that precipitated the drama. The board did try to fire Sam over him not informing them beforehand about the breakthrough. The board only found out about it from warning letters sent from staff researchers, warning them about a breakthrough that could destroy humanity.
@@logicbugs9452I think a link would get marked spam but it's a Reuters article from a couole days ago titled "OpenAI researchers warned board of AI breakthrough ahead of CEO ouster, sources say", you should be able to google it from there
22:30 IF any single person at OpenAI saw something that truly "pulled the veil back" it almost 100% WOULD be Ilya Sutskever. He is the engineer and nerd that (should) know more about the inner mechanisms more than anyone at the company.
If ilya really 'saw past the veil' and thought Sam was putting humanity at risk with his recklessness, why would he later retract his decision? A little investor backlash and he's willing to let humanity burn? Lol. If he really believed there was some huge risk, he would go down with the ship, fighting to keep Sam off the helm all the way. The fact that he backed off so quickly, at the slightest bit of pressure, tells me that he didn't really believe what he was saying. It was all simply to make himself look good and get some extra clout at the company. When he realized his actions were actually making him look bad and reducing his clout, he made a u-turn. Otherwise, why put the fate of the world at risk because of a bit of drama? Surely, living through a AI apocalypse would be a worse fate than losing a job and some money because of his spat with sam. He was hardly at risk of starving on the streets. If he really believed it mattered, he had all the resources to fight for it. Which he didn't.
@@zetaforever4953I don’t think you understand. AGI is a possible threat, not a sure fire threat. You’d be likely to push a button that has a 1% chance of saving 400 people. But what if pushing that button ends your career. That 1% is looking a lot less likely when you have to face consequences.
@@zetaforever4953 I think Ilya would rather have Sam back than have all the IP and staff in the hands of Microsoft, so that threat may've worked on him.
@@timothyking3398hmm true good point. Still I think if it was a dire finding I think there would be some kind of leak about it by now by some concerned employees or maybe Ilya himself
@@timothyking3398 umm, what had he expected when he ousted sam? That the man would remain unemployed for the rest of his life? He would obviously have joined some other tech giant and taken his knowledge with him. And even if all the employees didn't go with him, one of the chief engineers of open ai would have. Ilya knew all this when he ousted sam, so either this was the most poorly planned world-saving strategy in existence, or saving the world wasn't his goal to begin with.
Everytime something happens this story sounds more and more like the scenario of a movie were AI travel back in time to manipulate history and ensure it's own creation.
If Elon Musk actually took over Open AI, he would definetly have "founder of Open AI and inventor of Chat GPT" in his X bio right now. (Or he would have driven the company into the ground and renamed it X AI 12 after his son.)
nah he had obsession with X way before his son was born lmao more like he named his son after his X obsession i think he already had a company called X back in the day around the paypall stuff
At least the non-profit side of things has survived! My biggest worry was Microsoft having a total monopolistic absorption OpenAI leaders and talent. Plus I wanna see a business model like this succeed!
But it's not non-profit, in 2018 OpenAI opened an LLC in its name (created by San Altman), unless you were being sarcastic which is hard to tell in comments
@@Vysair They probably didn't, else the original comment would've made more sense for them. The best part is the reply is essentially repeating what 8:54 said. Anyone who watched the video knows there's a non-profit AND for profit company.
@@justjuniorjaw If your half clean, and half covered in mud that means your dirty right? If Open AI exists "partly" to return investors money 10X then that's that.
I was waiting for you to make it man I knew you would, it was wild seeing this happen in real time on twitter 🤣 Alternative title: how ChatGPT's founder got fired from his own job and unfired in 3 days
I think the reason the board members wouldn’t give the reason isn’t because of something behind the scenes, but the actual DevDay itself. As they were investors in OpenAI, which was originally founded quite literally because they felt that the people researching AI were being reckless, the sudden recklessness of Sam deciding “hey fuck it nevermind about being cautious let’s make AI everything and monetize the shit out of it” may have come as a surprise to the board members, who in an act of altruism decided that the best course of action would be to remove him immediately. This is supported by the idea that they believed they were working on making AI safe, the fact that they felt surprised by DevDay, and yknow one of the board members is literally a part of an “altruist movement”. The reason they can’t outright say this is because they have 10 BILLION dollars worth of investment and coming out and saying “hey sam was trying to make everybody rich and we didn’t like that” wouldn’t exactly be a great marketing move so instead they just say that he was being dishonest. This also explains why Sam’s closest employees didn’t exactly see anything wrong with Sam’s actions. The CEO of an AI company wants to make more AI tools, why would an AI developer be opposed to that? This also explains why they hired Twitch’s old CEO, who was staunchly opposed to rushing new AI developments. He was a safe bet for the time being. But idk it’s just a theory
They thought they were being altruistic, but they were actually only being petty. Because if illya (who knew the most about AI and was apparently most scared of AGI being mishandled), really thought Sam was putting humanity at risk with his recklessness, why would he later retract his decision? A little investor backlash and he's willing to let humanity burn? Lol. If he really believed there was some huge risk, he would go down with the ship, fighting to keep Sam off the helm all the way. The fact that he backed off so quickly, at the slightest bit of pressure, proves that he didn't really believe what he was saying. It was all simply to make himself look good and get some extra clout at the company. When he realized his actions were actually making him look bad and reducing his clout, he made a u-turn. Otherwise, why put the fate of the world at risk because of a bit of drama?
@@hastyscorpion oh yeah you’re right but that’s not very important, I was more speaking to the fact as to why the board members refuse to give the reason they fired him
we aren't back to where we started: 1) the board is stuffed with Sam's suits 2) OpenAI will pursue profit/revenue more aggressively 3) The 'safety' element of the non-profit board will be basically eliminated. Expect more growth at all costs, with safety taking a backseat.
@@DA-cl4ww you say that but we have people quoting AI in actual industries without bothering to check sources it gives. a massive population doesn't seem to grasp it's a text prediction machine not a thinking machine. you have kids copy pasting without even re-writing. like, I wish I could agree with you but holy fuck is the population incredibly far from being responsible enough for this. seemingly at any rate. Just to illustrate, imagine there are no protections and you ask openAI to fabricate a bunch of policies that a politician didn't push or incidents that didn't happen with fake links to create a convincing looking argument. well given what we know what people do, now you have a insanely powerful tool to create very powerful propaganda that people will believe en masse both because for some fucking reason they inherently trust and believe chatGPT as well as it looks professional and most people are incapable of even checking to make sure you're linking real shit. I'm not even 100% that we can push AI much farther with current techniques and tech paradigms but even at the current scale of development it seems disastrous. all it's going to take is a few bad actors to create tools used for evil purposes and the integrity of many of our systems will be in question. That's just the direct consequences, there's no telling the impact it's going to have on the development of the next generation, I imagine it's going to accelerate a very small minority and completely fuck over the rest.
They're a little overzealous with safety as it stands, loosening the reins a little probably won't cause the world to end. Still need the "don't do illegal/blatantly dangerous shit" warning from time to time, of course, and they should not do anything safety-wise that will make us all facepalm any harder than the board just did if we hear about it. The government is keeping an eye on anything more powerful than GPT-4, but that's defined by computing power and there are vast gains to be had in efficiency so shenanigans are about to ensue as the number of parameters gets miniaturized for the same result as current tech. But for once, we'll have some software that's properly optimized!
@@DA-cl4wwSafety for AGI not for GPT. The channel Computerphile has a good series of videos with Robert Miles on the topic if you are interested in learning about it. It's extremely important.
Is it just me or does the prospect of Microsoft getting their claws even deeper into openAI also make you feel uncomfortable. It does at least me. Since I'm a firm believer that AI is never going to be a problem in itself. I fear the human party behinds it
Well. where 2 people fight, the third one prospers. Microsoft saw an opportunity they rarely have, since they're so big, their moves are limited. But like Atrioc said, acquaring OpenAi for basically free is a genius move, even if it was handed to on a silver platter.
Here’s a summary of the new Reuter’s article about why Sam Altman was ousted as CEO: OpenAI's CEO, Sam Altman, faced concerns from staff researchers who wrote a letter to the board warning of a potentially threatening artificial intelligence discovery. The letter and an AI algorithm were pivotal in Altman's ouster. The researchers highlighted a project called Q*, seen as a potential breakthrough in achieving artificial general intelligence (AGI). This technology, though still in early stages, showed promise in solving mathematical problems. The letter emphasized the dangers of AI's prowess, with researchers flagging potential risks. Altman's firing was linked to broader issues, including worries about commercializing advances without understanding consequences. The article also mentions Altman's efforts in advancing ChatGPT and securing resources from Microsoft for AGI development.
Wow this was well put together, a really good recap, good structure and just the right amount of humor to not take away from the story while still being interested
kind of poetic that sam said "I'm doing this because I love it" to a congressman saying he needs a lawyer. like dude. doing things that you love should not require an incentive to do so
Anyone dealing with other people in a business environment with billions of dollars at stake should have a lawyer. It's about protecting yourself, not about using the law to amass wealth or power. I dont care if you made the company with your own two hands in a shed from the time you were 8 years old and you fell asleep every night with a smile on your face because it felt like you were living your dreams: you still need a lawyer when massive amounts of money/property/power get involved.
I think something getting glossed over in all of this is that the initial goal of OpenAI was the safe development of the technology. It’s why the board was not made up of savvy business geniuses, but people with technical knowledge or work with nonprofits. I keep thinking about it like a horse and wagon. The initial wagon (OpenAI nonprofit) is built with a goal to move forward. They hitch a horse (OpenAI for profit) to move it forward sustainably. Then the horse gets fifty times more powerful in an instant and bucks and tries to unshackle from the wagon. The future with Sam Altman in charge seems to be the horse running wild with no restrictions. This is the reality of our world. If Sam stays, he’s given unrestricted power to develop this tech in a for profit manner, backed by giant tech corporations. If he gets fired, those same companies hire him and his staff and take over the lead of this race anyway. It tragically feels like the mission of developing this technology methodically and responsibly was always a pipe dream that would be crushed by capitalism.
man when I heard about this open ai stuff, i literally thought "i hope atrioc covers this, because i am conFUSED". he really knows how to break things down into digestible pieces for us laypeople out here 10/10
This video isn't going to age well when Sam Altman becomes the next Supreme ruler having convinced the AI he is the only person who shouldn't be paperclipped
Banger video! I was following the news around OpenAI closely the last couple of days but nowhere did I find such a well tought through explanation and summery. Extremely entertaining and informing. Well done!
You forgot that some of the OpenAI board that was in Effective Altruism wanted OpenAI merge with Antrophic, which was an Effective Altruism company focused on safety and basically had the same functions as ChatGPT
Wow, this video was incredibly insightful! The depth of information shared here is impressive. It's not often that you find content that both educates and engages you throughout. Kudos to the creator for delivering such valuable insights. This is the kind of content that truly enriches my understanding. Thank you for sharing this gem! -ChatGpt
Came here while listening to lex interview to altman because I didn't know anything about the "board drama": i must say that this video was very good and balanced, so I watched others of his video and I subscribed.👍
Question: even though OpenAi seems to be back on track, isn’t it still true that meta and others still dissolved their responsible AI team? Is that something to worry about?
Not really, a lot of these companies aren’t purely AI focused, they’ll likely adopt AI technologies in the future, but they’re not really the ones developing it. At the end of the day for these companies the profit goes before anyone or anything else, these teams existed as more of a PR stunt than an actual functioning or long term team.
What I found so dumb was the idea that the board though destroying OpenAI would benefit humanity, as if OpenAI does not have an competition, and other companies are going full steam ahead without any guardrails like OpenAI has.
First of all, thanks for the amazing MM :) Secondly, I think you'd really enjoy learning about a similar CEO situation that happened to the current Market Basket CEO, and all the drama it entailed!
I choose to believe that at least having the company back in Sam’s hands will make sure that there are some ethics instead of 0 ethics within the company
Greg Brockman tweeting "we are so back" just makes me think of the it is over meme chart. And according to that chart, in a few days the state of Open AI will be "it's over (real)".
Only point I would add is that the board had three additional members who were Sam supporters who had recently stepped away from the board. It’s possible the four board members who voted him out had wanted to for a while but didn’t have the votes until the other three members resigned.
Larry Summers (at least from what I've gathered from reading Matt Stoller's substack BIG (about monopolies) seems to lean on the lobbyist side of a government connection (aka very corporation leaning), if it's of relevance. This retelling is great, thanks for saving me from having to read everyone's reckons to find out what happened. Also, jokingly, I feel like I just watched some high-paid techbros' fantasy of what people unionising should have looked like (except it's actually games of thrones for power between all very powerful people and largely driven by some form of another of profit, ego, or cult of personality). Getting 700 PEOPLE to agree to resign, that fast, for one person/their leader, is... an interesting phenomenon actually
Amazing video, the defintion of infotainment. Sharing with my friends who were curious about this drama. If Big A's career was a capped-profit that only allowed a 100x return for investors id be throwing in $10bil fast af boi
one of your best videos ive ever seen i think. such a great summary. this whole ordeal is an absolute shitshow. im terrified what the actual reason he was fired aka what theyre actually up to with ai. scary stuff
Super high quality recap. The fact that you religiously read Sam’s blog when you were 19 and worked for the twitch CEO gave you a lot of street cred
Some of the best content ever, literally does so much research love ur stuff big a
For real. This was his best work IMO.
atrioc was actually pretty high up in silicon valley pre exit. extreme wealth of inside info as well
@@kapeozium4956 Starting it a decade ago shows real journalism chops
@@s1lliHe has actually spoken about people he worked with before and the kind of mentality that he saw with certain people especially higher ups. But yeah I'm guessing he's got NDAs too
I've never seen a CEO get fired and returns with enough clout amongst shareholders to fire those board members lol
That's wild
Reminds me of Suits or another Show that had kinda the same scenario lol.
reports of his death were greatly exaggerated it seems
Charisma 20
Napoleon
CEO any% is honestly a banger joke. Glad he has a sense of humor
Say what you want about Emmet, that tweet was fire.
He may not be a top tier gamer, but he's still a gamer.
Might be one of the best tweets if seen in a very long time lmfao
It's funny that you never mentioned Joseph Gordon-Levitt's role in all of this. He's the one in the shadows, beneath the sheets, the mistery player.
made me laugh :)
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i literally do not get this joke lol
@@dijkstra4698 you need to read "A Brief History of Time" and be aware of the movements inside Hollywood's dark underbelly. JG-L is a key player in every major event.
Think 6 degrees of separation but in conspiracy terms.
1:23 @@dijkstra4698
Let me summarize:
-CEO fired by board
-Board assigns a new CEO
-Second CEO tries to bring back the first CEO to his postion
-Board fires Second CEO
-Board assigns a third CEO
-Employees technically fires the board
-Third CEO successfully brings back first CEO and leaves
Edit: fixed point #6
The boba 🧋
you could mention how essentially 90% of the employees stiff-armed the company into bringing back Altman
bullet #6 is wrong, investors didn't have the power to fire the board. nobody did but themselves. Third CEO and the board basically faced an entire walk out by all employees if they didn't agree to step down, so finally they did (but only by agreeing that Sam Altman wouldn't be on the board when he got his CEO spot back)
@atrioc this was a great stream and video, been following you long time now and you are my fave youtuber rn
@@atrioc thank you Dr Carbonation for caring to get the FACTS to the PEOPLE. You are making the world of business and biz news exciting and digestable have a happy thanksgiving
Apparently Emmet Shear was one of the main reasons for Sam's return. When he joined the board he asked for hard evidence for the board's decision & when the board did not provide any he immediately threatened to quit as well. I suppose the board couldn't fathom appointing a 4th CEO so they caved
Where did you see that? The last thing I saw was shear saying that he asked the board about it and was comfortable with their decision (paraphrased, maybe I misunderstood)
@@hereandnow3156
"Sam Altman and members of the OpenAI board have opened negotiations aimed at a possible return of the ousted co-founder and chief executive officer to the artificial intelligence company, according to people with knowledge of the matter.
Discussions are happening between Altman and at least one board member, Adam D’Angelo, said the people, who asked not to be identified because the deliberations are private and they may not come to fruition. The talks also involve some of OpenAI’s investors, who are also pushing for his reinstatement, one of the people said.
In one scenario being discussed, Altman would return as a director on a transitional board, one of the people said.
That the board and Altman are in communication is a significant development because until Monday, the directors largely refused to engage with the executive they fired Friday, several people have said.
On Monday, the company’s Vice President of Global Affairs Anna Makanju sent a memo to staff saying the company had been in “intense discussions” with the board, Altman and new CEO Emmett Shear to unify the company. The message came after swathes of employees threatened to quit if Altman were not reinstated, among other demands.
The board has come under intense scrutiny for its decision to fire Altman, saying that the CEO was not “consistently candid in his communications.” In the days since, board members and staffers have said that the removal was unrelated to “malfeasance” or “safety,” leaving an information vacuum and prompting Microsoft Corp. CEO Satya Nadella to say publicly that he has have been given no explanation.
*Even CEO Shear has been left in the dark, according to people familiar with the matter. He has told people close to OpenAI that he doesn’t plan to stick around if the board can’t clearly communicate to him its reasoning for Altman’s sudden firing.*
Until Friday, the company’s board consisted of Altman, President Greg Brockman, Chief Scientist Ilya Sutskever, Quora Inc. CEO Adam D’Angelo, tech entrepreneur Tasha McCauley and Helen Toner, director of strategy at Georgetown’s Center for Security and Emerging Technology. After Altman’s exit, Brockman stepped down in protest.
OpenAI declined to comment on the negotiations."
Source: A bloomberg article, paraphrased in this reddit thread: www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/180n3fg/ceo_shear_has_been_left_in_the_dark_and_has_told/
Makes sense because if they previously fired a CEO for no reason, why would they not fire you for no reason?
@@hereandnow3156 the Verge has an artist called "Sam Altman to Return as CEO of OpenAI" that mentions it but they don't put any names or anything on it
Atrioc showing the shittalk amongst old coworkers about their old friend and boss being CEO of a $100b company just makes perfect sense 💀.
All this is the greatest thing ever for Sam's career. He went from "cool CEO" to "underdog tech legend fighting against the evil business"
Edit: guys read my reply, I'm not on his side.
If you think this is not evil vs evil and somehow construe this as "legend fighting against evil", I think you need to rethink the entire society thing, dude.
@HolyAvgr no, I don't believe it, but it seems most people do. Honestly, this might be a repeat of the other famous Sam who blew up in 2023.
@@HolyAvgr Can you explain evil vs evil? Like what evil things have both parties done?
huh? Sam is the pro business side of this.
@@TilDrill AI business people are now arguing that businesses are no longer liable for copyright issues because "the information is already out there". They also went back against their initial promises about compensating the sources of the AI pool (which is practically everyone). Basically, businesses are now claiming that AI should be free game which is an egregious and inherently greedy stance to take
Awesome vid Big A! Your shit is awesome, I am someone who is generally very interested in the goings on of the world but I have found that learning about anything as it happens is an absolute slog, with every media outlet click baiting things for headlines to ultimately inform me of nearly nothing. Your videos never fail to deliver information succinctly and entertainingly couldn't live without ya.
All that happened was that AI Safety took a huge L. Now Sam will have even less restraints pushing forward to AGI.
It's interesting to think what should be done in such a situation in the future.
How should potentially dangerous yet expensive research be conducted to keep it safe?
Maybe it should be sponsored and governed by the federal government?
But even if they don't have the same financial incentives to push too fast they might have military/geopolitical ones?
@@aharonsidorov5145 federal government is a big no, they will have all the incentive to push forwards, just not making it public. A group of universities non profit might work.
@0Clewi0 yea, but then we have the same problem with funding.
Maybe there just needs to be a strong congressional regulatory body that oversees private sector ai technologies.
@@aharonsidorov5145Like FTC or FCC
if sam really wanted to chase the money he would have gone to microsoft with the rest of the company but he came back. That gives me faith that he still cares about AI safety
It's hard to get rid of a CEO that investors like
+ Employees
It also helps that like 90% of all the employees at the company also really like that CEO too.
what's more is that each employee are personally interviewed by sam himself
Most of the rest of humanity has the incentive to support the board.
We need to join this drama and flip the board again
he is liked across the board
It's incredible how many times founders betray each other.
A tale as old as time
Reminded me a little bit of glass onion
It honestly makes more sense for us in this case atleast. Usually it's a selfish motive, but this time there's an overlying non-profit Vs profit
Corporate snakes 🤷♂️ it’s same people that can never grow up from high school intrigues and politics.
For those people it’s natural state of things to walk over others on their way to success.
Why? There's so much money at play. We have no idea what's going on behind the scenes and who is talking to who and pressuring who. You'd be naive to not think the state and military isn't wrapped up in this too. They aren't going to let some company figure out AI independent of them and sell it to another state or let it slip. AI is likely the next big jump in tech, next to alternative energy. You'll probably see people start getting assassinated once things get better and better. Just like nuclear stuff.
I love the comprehensive update, this has been incredible helpful! (Can’t wait for an update)
I just realized I had an aneurysm while writing this or something. Why did I say update twice…. 🤦♀️
@@iamdnorth you also said "incredible helpful" instead of "incredibly" :P
@@albingrahn5576 I didn’t even notice that… no idea what happened in my brain when I was writing that comment.
Atrioc is so good at this style of content man, flows so brilliantly, funny but enthusiastically knowledgable on the topic.
10/10
An update from Reuters:
Indeed, there was a breakthrough that precipitated the drama. The board did try to fire Sam over him not informing them beforehand about the breakthrough. The board only found out about it from warning letters sent from staff researchers, warning them about a breakthrough that could destroy humanity.
I would love a link or the name of the article!
@@logicbugs9452I think a link would get marked spam but it's a Reuters article from a couole days ago titled "OpenAI researchers warned board of AI breakthrough ahead of CEO ouster, sources say", you should be able to google it from there
@@logicbugs9452 "OpenAI researchers warned board of AI breakthrough ahead of CEO ouster, sources say"
@@logicbugs9452 still no source
22:30 IF any single person at OpenAI saw something that truly "pulled the veil back" it almost 100% WOULD be Ilya Sutskever. He is the engineer and nerd that (should) know more about the inner mechanisms more than anyone at the company.
If ilya really 'saw past the veil' and thought Sam was putting humanity at risk with his recklessness, why would he later retract his decision? A little investor backlash and he's willing to let humanity burn? Lol. If he really believed there was some huge risk, he would go down with the ship, fighting to keep Sam off the helm all the way.
The fact that he backed off so quickly, at the slightest bit of pressure, tells me that he didn't really believe what he was saying. It was all simply to make himself look good and get some extra clout at the company. When he realized his actions were actually making him look bad and reducing his clout, he made a u-turn.
Otherwise, why put the fate of the world at risk because of a bit of drama? Surely, living through a AI apocalypse would be a worse fate than losing a job and some money because of his spat with sam. He was hardly at risk of starving on the streets. If he really believed it mattered, he had all the resources to fight for it. Which he didn't.
@@zetaforever4953I don’t think you understand. AGI is a possible threat, not a sure fire threat.
You’d be likely to push a button that has a 1% chance of saving 400 people. But what if pushing that button ends your career. That 1% is looking a lot less likely when you have to face consequences.
@@zetaforever4953 I think Ilya would rather have Sam back than have all the IP and staff in the hands of Microsoft, so that threat may've worked on him.
@@timothyking3398hmm true good point. Still I think if it was a dire finding I think there would be some kind of leak about it by now by some concerned employees or maybe Ilya himself
@@timothyking3398 umm, what had he expected when he ousted sam? That the man would remain unemployed for the rest of his life? He would obviously have joined some other tech giant and taken his knowledge with him. And even if all the employees didn't go with him, one of the chief engineers of open ai would have. Ilya knew all this when he ousted sam, so either this was the most poorly planned world-saving strategy in existence, or saving the world wasn't his goal to begin with.
I think what we learned from all of this is that the AI solution to the paper clip problem is justified
Right? It seems like humans fucked it up every step of the way 😂
Not quite but essentially yes. It wouldn't turn us all on it's own incentive into paperclips but would have no qualms at all to do it if ordered.
Everytime something happens this story sounds more and more like the scenario of a movie were AI travel back in time to manipulate history and ensure it's own creation.
I'd watch
Holy shit this is my headcanon now
soon we can ask AI to produce that movie for us. And who would be better suited for that? :D
or we fked up even more so we time-travelled back to fk up less
Hahaha, damn.
If Elon Musk actually took over Open AI, he would definetly have "founder of Open AI and inventor of Chat GPT" in his X bio right now. (Or he would have driven the company into the ground and renamed it X AI 12 after his son.)
The world is not ready for XGPT 😂🤣
Or Better yet, just name it Open Grok.
Because Hitchhiker references are so funny.
nah he had obsession with X way before his son was born lmao more like he named his son after his X obsession i think he already had a company called X back in the day around the paypall stuff
At least the non-profit side of things has survived! My biggest worry was Microsoft having a total monopolistic absorption OpenAI leaders and talent. Plus I wanna see a business model like this succeed!
But it's not non-profit, in 2018 OpenAI opened an LLC in its name (created by San Altman), unless you were being sarcastic which is hard to tell in comments
@@btkb1427did you also watches the whole video?
@@Vysair I was replying to the comment not the video
@@Vysair They probably didn't, else the original comment would've made more sense for them.
The best part is the reply is essentially repeating what 8:54 said. Anyone who watched the video knows there's a non-profit AND for profit company.
@@justjuniorjaw If your half clean, and half covered in mud that means your dirty right? If Open AI exists "partly" to return investors money 10X then that's that.
As soon as you see a +30 minute run time, you know its gonna be good
I was waiting for you to make it man I knew you would, it was wild seeing this happen in real time on twitter 🤣
Alternative title: how ChatGPT's founder got fired from his own job and unfired in 3 days
I think the reason the board members wouldn’t give the reason isn’t because of something behind the scenes, but the actual DevDay itself.
As they were investors in OpenAI, which was originally founded quite literally because they felt that the people researching AI were being reckless, the sudden recklessness of Sam deciding “hey fuck it nevermind about being cautious let’s make AI everything and monetize the shit out of it” may have come as a surprise to the board members, who in an act of altruism decided that the best course of action would be to remove him immediately.
This is supported by the idea that they believed they were working on making AI safe, the fact that they felt surprised by DevDay, and yknow one of the board members is literally a part of an “altruist movement”.
The reason they can’t outright say this is because they have 10 BILLION dollars worth of investment and coming out and saying “hey sam was trying to make everybody rich and we didn’t like that” wouldn’t exactly be a great marketing move so instead they just say that he was being dishonest.
This also explains why Sam’s closest employees didn’t exactly see anything wrong with Sam’s actions. The CEO of an AI company wants to make more AI tools, why would an AI developer be opposed to that? This also explains why they hired Twitch’s old CEO, who was staunchly opposed to rushing new AI developments. He was a safe bet for the time being.
But idk it’s just a theory
A game theory
They thought they were being altruistic, but they were actually only being petty. Because if illya (who knew the most about AI and was apparently most scared of AGI being mishandled), really thought Sam was putting humanity at risk with his recklessness, why would he later retract his decision? A little investor backlash and he's willing to let humanity burn? Lol. If he really believed there was some huge risk, he would go down with the ship, fighting to keep Sam off the helm all the way.
The fact that he backed off so quickly, at the slightest bit of pressure, proves that he didn't really believe what he was saying. It was all simply to make himself look good and get some extra clout at the company. When he realized his actions were actually making him look bad and reducing his clout, he made a u-turn. Otherwise, why put the fate of the world at risk because of a bit of drama?
Sam altman said "pulling back the veil" not the board
@@hastyscorpion oh yeah you’re right but that’s not very important, I was more speaking to the fact as to why the board members refuse to give the reason they fired him
@@hastyscorpion ok I edited it thanks 🙏
i was more invested in this than the entire SBF situation this was hilarious
It used to be: "you cant fire me, i quit" but here it turned into: "you cant fire me, you're fired" 💀
we aren't back to where we started:
1) the board is stuffed with Sam's suits
2) OpenAI will pursue profit/revenue more aggressively
3) The 'safety' element of the non-profit board will be basically eliminated. Expect more growth at all costs, with safety taking a backseat.
"Safety" A text autocomplete saying bad words is not the end of the world.
better than microsoft owning it i would imagine
@@DA-cl4ww you say that but we have people quoting AI in actual industries without bothering to check sources it gives. a massive population doesn't seem to grasp it's a text prediction machine not a thinking machine. you have kids copy pasting without even re-writing.
like, I wish I could agree with you but holy fuck is the population incredibly far from being responsible enough for this. seemingly at any rate.
Just to illustrate, imagine there are no protections and you ask openAI to fabricate a bunch of policies that a politician didn't push or incidents that didn't happen with fake links to create a convincing looking argument.
well given what we know what people do, now you have a insanely powerful tool to create very powerful propaganda that people will believe en masse both because for some fucking reason they inherently trust and believe chatGPT as well as it looks professional and most people are incapable of even checking to make sure you're linking real shit.
I'm not even 100% that we can push AI much farther with current techniques and tech paradigms but even at the current scale of development it seems disastrous. all it's going to take is a few bad actors to create tools used for evil purposes and the integrity of many of our systems will be in question. That's just the direct consequences, there's no telling the impact it's going to have on the development of the next generation, I imagine it's going to accelerate a very small minority and completely fuck over the rest.
They're a little overzealous with safety as it stands, loosening the reins a little probably won't cause the world to end. Still need the "don't do illegal/blatantly dangerous shit" warning from time to time, of course, and they should not do anything safety-wise that will make us all facepalm any harder than the board just did if we hear about it. The government is keeping an eye on anything more powerful than GPT-4, but that's defined by computing power and there are vast gains to be had in efficiency so shenanigans are about to ensue as the number of parameters gets miniaturized for the same result as current tech. But for once, we'll have some software that's properly optimized!
@@DA-cl4wwSafety for AGI not for GPT. The channel Computerphile has a good series of videos with Robert Miles on the topic if you are interested in learning about it. It's extremely important.
Is it just me or does the prospect of Microsoft getting their claws even deeper into openAI also make you feel uncomfortable. It does at least me. Since I'm a firm believer that AI is never going to be a problem in itself. I fear the human party behinds it
I feae that IA starts interacting with every sector of capitalism
Well. where 2 people fight, the third one prospers. Microsoft saw an opportunity they rarely have, since they're so big, their moves are limited. But like Atrioc said, acquaring OpenAi for basically free is a genius move, even if it was handed to on a silver platter.
god this was such a well done video and uploaded literally just as the ai explosion was first starting. incredible work dude.
I had watched 5 channels trying to explain the whole situation. This has to be the funniest and best explanation of it! 😂
Here’s a summary of the new Reuter’s article about why Sam Altman was ousted as CEO:
OpenAI's CEO, Sam Altman, faced concerns from staff researchers who wrote a letter to the board warning of a potentially threatening artificial intelligence discovery. The letter and an AI algorithm were pivotal in Altman's ouster. The researchers highlighted a project called Q*, seen as a potential breakthrough in achieving artificial general intelligence (AGI). This technology, though still in early stages, showed promise in solving mathematical problems. The letter emphasized the dangers of AI's prowess, with researchers flagging potential risks. Altman's firing was linked to broader issues, including worries about commercializing advances without understanding consequences. The article also mentions Altman's efforts in advancing ChatGPT and securing resources from Microsoft for AGI development.
This might be one of the wildest videos I've seen this month. Can't believe it actually happened
awesomely done, thanks for synthesizing the drama
Wow this was well put together, a really good recap, good structure and just the right amount of humor to not take away from the story while still being interested
kind of poetic that sam said "I'm doing this because I love it" to a congressman saying he needs a lawyer. like dude. doing things that you love should not require an incentive to do so
Anyone dealing with other people in a business environment with billions of dollars at stake should have a lawyer. It's about protecting yourself, not about using the law to amass wealth or power. I dont care if you made the company with your own two hands in a shed from the time you were 8 years old and you fell asleep every night with a smile on your face because it felt like you were living your dreams: you still need a lawyer when massive amounts of money/property/power get involved.
He cannot comprehend this because of how corrupt he is 🤣
sama loves power. Robert Moses and many others have used the trick of not getting paid and being "money clean".
This is gonna get made into a movie and be like The Social Network 2.0
Written by..... CHATGPT5.
Netflix: smell like M O N E Y
OpenAI really dodged the bullet that is Emmett Shear
He wanted no part of this mess either, not without proof of some kind of wrongdoing that the board could not provide.
Wow Big A doesn’t even moo a single time in the video. Must have cut it out from the stream. Crazy amount of work from the editors.
I think something getting glossed over in all of this is that the initial goal of OpenAI was the safe development of the technology. It’s why the board was not made up of savvy business geniuses, but people with technical knowledge or work with nonprofits.
I keep thinking about it like a horse and wagon. The initial wagon (OpenAI nonprofit) is built with a goal to move forward. They hitch a horse (OpenAI for profit) to move it forward sustainably. Then the horse gets fifty times more powerful in an instant and bucks and tries to unshackle from the wagon. The future with Sam Altman in charge seems to be the horse running wild with no restrictions.
This is the reality of our world. If Sam stays, he’s given unrestricted power to develop this tech in a for profit manner, backed by giant tech corporations. If he gets fired, those same companies hire him and his staff and take over the lead of this race anyway. It tragically feels like the mission of developing this technology methodically and responsibly was always a pipe dream that would be crushed by capitalism.
gotta make a part 2
Besides the craziness of this situation, I think this is one of atriocs best videos ever. Awesome job editors 👍
man when I heard about this open ai stuff, i literally thought "i hope atrioc covers this, because i am conFUSED". he really knows how to break things down into digestible pieces for us laypeople out here 10/10
This video isn't going to age well when Sam Altman becomes the next Supreme ruler having convinced the AI he is the only person who shouldn't be paperclipped
Sheeesh, new flannel for the update part 🥶. You can see the confidence in Atrioc! That's what a quality flannel can give you. Great vid!
Banger video! I was following the news around OpenAI closely the last couple of days but nowhere did I find such a well tought through explanation and summery. Extremely entertaining and informing. Well done!
You forgot that some of the OpenAI board that was in Effective Altruism wanted OpenAI merge with Antrophic, which was an Effective Altruism company focused on safety and basically had the same functions as ChatGPT
16:23 Sam Altman right side: Aaron Swartz 😎
Because I’m a coffee cow
Wow, this video was incredibly insightful! The depth of information shared here is impressive. It's not often that you find content that both educates and engages you throughout. Kudos to the creator for delivering such valuable insights. This is the kind of content that truly enriches my understanding. Thank you for sharing this gem! -ChatGpt
Came here while listening to lex interview to altman because I didn't know anything about the "board drama": i must say that this video was very good and balanced, so I watched others of his video and I subscribed.👍
Question: even though OpenAi seems to be back on track, isn’t it still true that meta and others still dissolved their responsible AI team? Is that something to worry about?
Not really, a lot of these companies aren’t purely AI focused, they’ll likely adopt AI technologies in the future, but they’re not really the ones developing it. At the end of the day for these companies the profit goes before anyone or anything else, these teams existed as more of a PR stunt than an actual functioning or long term team.
Satya was looking positively giddy at 20:38 LOL
it's maybe just a little bit funny that the first time I see atrioc back in my recommended its a video about an ai company
What I found so dumb was the idea that the board though destroying OpenAI would benefit humanity, as if OpenAI does not have an competition, and other companies are going full steam ahead without any guardrails like OpenAI has.
This could make for a good movie if Sam Altman becomes a really important person. I’m thinking something like The Social Network
First of all, thanks for the amazing MM :) Secondly, I think you'd really enjoy learning about a similar CEO situation that happened to the current Market Basket CEO, and all the drama it entailed!
This is a very well structured video. Good job big A
I somehow missed all of this, so thanks for the comprehensive recap! Super impressed with the frequent content lately :)
I think Marketing Monday is some of the best content on all of UA-cam and this video is a fantastic argument in favor of that opinion.
so if we're all speed running for AGI, we're basically speed running human obsolescence. sounds good to me
Possibly the best atrioc video ever
def this or his riot vs blizzard video
Best marketing monday to date, super compelling recap.
The fact that this all happened over the weekend at breakneck speeds in an attempt at resolving it before opening bell on monday is fucking hilarious
return of the King. Been a while since I seen a Quack vid
came back and rewatched this vid and it is probably the best piece of content Atrioc has produced really solid stuff
I choose to believe that at least having the company back in Sam’s hands will make sure that there are some ethics instead of 0 ethics within the company
I've been glued to AI news for a year and you covered this the best of anyone. Thanks 👍
Everyone’s so worried about who’s first and not how’s first
Ilya looking like his minds eye is lasering out his hairline from within
Greg Brockman tweeting "we are so back" just makes me think of the it is over meme chart. And according to that chart, in a few days the state of Open AI will be "it's over (real)".
triple threat combo: oil found, diamond found, gold found
Atrioc is so good at explaining things in an easy way to consume
Goated video really liked how it played out with the “plot”line
Only point I would add is that the board had three additional members who were Sam supporters who had recently stepped away from the board.
It’s possible the four board members who voted him out had wanted to for a while but didn’t have the votes until the other three members resigned.
Larry Summers (at least from what I've gathered from reading Matt Stoller's substack BIG (about monopolies) seems to lean on the lobbyist side of a government connection (aka very corporation leaning), if it's of relevance.
This retelling is great, thanks for saving me from having to read everyone's reckons to find out what happened.
Also, jokingly, I feel like I just watched some high-paid techbros' fantasy of what people unionising should have looked like (except it's actually games of thrones for power between all very powerful people and largely driven by some form of another of profit, ego, or cult of personality). Getting 700 PEOPLE to agree to resign, that fast, for one person/their leader, is... an interesting phenomenon actually
It’s not that surprising - they all had a very compelling financial incentive to stop the non-profit board from sinking their company
WOW!! What an amazing summary and presentation! Thank you Atrioc. I was glued to this video! Keep them coming brotha.
Been looking forward to this one all weekend
Mate, this is big, thanks for covering it.
Amazing video, the defintion of infotainment. Sharing with my friends who were curious about this drama. If Big A's career was a capped-profit that only allowed a 100x return for investors id be throwing in $10bil fast af boi
31:27 "ceo any % 55:32 new record???" is genuinely the funniest tweets of this whole saga
This is SO good and well done!!!! Great job!
This tech definitely should not be put on the fast track or anywhere near capitalism in general
when I heard the slack sound I went to my slack to check if someone was pinging
This video was so packed with info
Loved it! Very detailed, you'll boom📈
Alright, Atrioc actually knows hows to use good slideshow formats. Not tons of text, just pictures and short phrases to punctuate. I have to sub now.
I think this is your best marketing monday you've made, it was interesting and enjoyable all the way through :)
As someone who does wfh, the only reason 70/770 didn't sign is because those 70 haven't opened their email since all this shit started
What’s the name of that effect when you try hard to make something not happen but your attempts of making it not happen actually makes it happen.
Streisand effect
Actually edited so fast good shit editor
very very well done, the first really indepth version of the entire story that has facts and actually explains everythign that happens
When Copernicus looked up at the stars, I bet he thought "This is is really good data for the AI 500 years from now"
This is the best episode of Succession so far
How are we not going to mention Aaron Shwartz standing right next to Sam Altman 16:27
one of your best videos ive ever seen i think. such a great summary. this whole ordeal is an absolute shitshow. im terrified what the actual reason he was fired aka what theyre actually up to with ai. scary stuff
amazing video from my fav CEO at the atrioc production company
my mom is a marketer and this shows is how I sound like I know what i’m talking about when she is talking to me.
Mad stuff, I cant wait for the Internet Historian to make a video on this in 5 years
Great video Atrioc, keep up the work! very informative
Emmett was basically Lenny from the Simpsons when he took Mr. Burns position at the power plant. The reign of Emmett is over.
Its crazy that half their execs are making the decision to go full dr phil with that hair.