Every Cancelled Metal Gear Solid Game
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- In this video, Did You Know Gaming takes a look every cancelled metal gear solid game, ranging from the series origins as simply Metal Gear, all the way to scrapped ideas surrounding Metal Gear Solid 4 and beyond.
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Research/Writing by BadHumans
Additional Writing by Dr Lava
Video Editing by TheCartoonGamer
Narration by Remix
Sources/Further Reading:
Hidechan Radio, episode 148
Konami Magazine, Volume 2 (Arc_Hound's translation: www.tumblr.com...)
Policenauts Pilot Disk (3DO)
The Document of Metal Gear Solid 2
GamePro Presents Handheld Video Games (Winter 1999 edition)
Consoles+ Magazine, issue #90
Gamers Republic Magazine, issue #13
Steven L. Kent's book "The Ultimate History of Video Games Vol 2"
GamesTM Magazine (UK), Holiday 2011 issue
GamesTM Magazine (UK), Mar 2013 issue
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We have more Metal Gear content coming up in the next few weeks, voiced by a certain someone whose name rhymes with Dated Later.
Looking forward to it :D
Heck yes
Keeping us waiting huh?
If you want to improve the channel, do like the DidYouKnowGaming that I have known since the 2010s, not like now with worse script that is so lazy to listen to
I can't believe you got Mated Baiter back again. He's usually so busy now
"You walk around the world to recruit troops from other PSP users you meet in the real world."
So Streetpass 5 years before the 3DS.
Why is everyone in the comments saying this? The PSP wasn't able to do that. Especially given the quote from Kojima, it sounds pretty specific to you playing with others, and then "connecting" in that way would add their character to your world. He said nothing at all that indicated a Streetpass-like feature. The PSP didn't automatically connect to other systems in the way that Streetpass did.
@@svenbtb Japan have a feature where your phone/device automatically connected to a public AP (Access Point). That's why it is called AP mode. The AP "should" able to collect data and share with other, but highly depended on the provider and prob a pain to works with.
Instead we got an amazing port of mgs 3 that unfortunately runs at 10fps on the 3ds
I can't believe that Platinum Games developed MGRR in 9 months, it must have been pure hell, that's probably why they were very reluctant with Kojima when he mentioned MGRR2
“It’ll have nanomachine robot zombies! I’ll write the story!”
“Uh no…no thank you”
"No man who loves cardboard can be evil" The ghost of solid snake
*Looks at Big Boss commiting War Crimes casually on the side*
True true
Re: MGS4 on the 360. it would've been hilarious considering Otacon's joke about not having to switch discs to change levels lmao
We could have had games starring the Boss, MGS Rising 2 and other beautiful titles but instead we got metal gear survive. Worst timeline
And a pachinko machine! 😂
I mean, there are timelines where these games didn’t exist at all.
Thanks Kojima for wasting so much money in licensing popular 80s music and too many little details.
MGSV is awful outside of important missions
@@Kimarnic you got an anime profile picture. Your opinion is invalid
@@KimarnicI wouldn't say it's "awful". It's the best-playing game in the series as far as controls, its gameplay and many elements of its design are very customizeable to your liking, and it's a great game to play when you just want to pop something in and just kill a few hours relaxing. You could do FAAAAAR worse.
I think a better term here is "not for you". ^^
At least that scouting in Normandy presumably helped with Death Stranding, so it wasn’t wasted
I’m dying at the Snake’s Revenge LCD
“I’ve got rations!… (Gets hit) OoOOoOooh” 9:31
Forever sad that we didn't get to see Raiden rescue Sunny.
I still make my eggs sunny side up to this day
I have been wishing for MG1 and 2 remakes for a long time, it's sad to learn Kojima wanted to make those but couldn't
Yeah, this was the gut-punch of the video. I think every fan was thinking those would be next to make it full circle after Phantom Pain.
So in an alternate timeline, "Armstrong" pulls out Raiden's guts and crushes his jaw, oh my f-cking goodness.
jaw crushing scene would’ve gone insane
“If you don’t know about World War Two, but have seen the opening scene of saving private Ryan…”
Lol
Isn't Zanzibar Land Metal Gear 2? Metal Gear 1 is Outer Heaven.
I think Zanzibar was 1 and outter haven 2 I could be mistaken
You're correct.
@@HeyhoBrandotechnically bb calls zanzibar land outer heaven in mg2 so both are oh
@@willvermillion1025 it could be a Phantom Pain thing, where they made Mother Base in the same spot and still called it the same base name, same Name Different place for this.
Outer Heaven is a recurring ideal, not a location. The first game's Outer Heaven was in Galzburg, Africa. The second game's Outer Heaven was in Zanzibar Land. The third game's Outer Heaven was in Shadow Moses Island.
Some of My biggest disappointment in my gaming life is that mgs5 was never fully completed and that we will never have a much needed remake of the old metal gear 1 and 2(not the solid titles)
mgsv is complete. Kojima has stated in multiple interviews that he's happy with how the game turned out. you can have your opinion but
@@mokatwhat about the cut out mission 51: kingdom of flies. Doesn't that make the game incomplete.
@@Slavic_Snake no not really, it's just something that didn't make it into the game, there's still a massive amount of game to play. mgs 2 had a bunch of stuff removed and that game is a masterpiece
@@mokat yeah but every plot point is completed in mgs2 by the end. In mgs5 you see Eli escape with Sahelanthropus in the game and then... nothing. Game doesn't follow it up it just leaves it like that, so it kinda is unfinished.
@@Slavic_Snake that's fair.
have you heard the phantom pain theory?
it's the theory that the game's story was intentionally left unfinished to give players the feeling of something being missing
I myself kinda agree but also think it's a bit copium
Kojima actually wanting a hand in mgr2 and the business denying it feels like the opposite timeline to Kojima always getting brought back to the metal gear projects at konami
"You either die a hero..."
They really only tore him off of anything that wasn't Metal Gear, it seemed.
Platinum Games waving off Kojimas ideas was annoying too. PG was using the mans IP....fun lil game. But it was no MGS story lol.
After death stranding it’s pretty obvious that kojima was carried by his writing team most of the time. Like george lucas and Star Wars once kojima was in charge no one could tell him no.
@@willvermillion1025this is wrong statement...
Kojima always like to discuss his idea with his team he is not some kind of person who think too highly of himself.
Death stranding wasn't a bad game... But people compare it to metal gear all the time..
Kojima just want to try new things... And death stranding did sell will enough to get a sequel and ir got high praise from critics... Just this game isn't for everyone...
The fact that mgs4 has never been ported is a shame but the fact that it’s just stuck on the ps3 not even playable on ps4 or 5 is stupid
Soon my boy…..
10:58 That dry delivery had me CACKLING. Fantastic.
I love your videos. Great journalism as usual. I was here for the modest beginnings, and I'm glad to see how your videos went from, understandably, pop facts to actual journalism and research.
Very well done, definitely a top tier channel.
Everyone's Metal Gear reminds me of StreetPass on the 3DS. Considering the fact that the people you've met IRL manifest themselves in-game. Kojima predicting the future again.
portable ops is so shafted these days, but it must have been cool back in the day. you could get soldiers streetpass style, you could also get them from literally just detecting a wifi access point with your psp; and if you had the GPS addon then you could also get some pokemon go-style by going to specific places. somewhere on this website theres a video from like 2006 where 3 guys are just driving around neighborhoods getting new soldiers for the game from every house's wifi point
Kinda surprised they didn’t try to throw in any streetpass features into Snake Eater 3D
@@InvaderIceStrike Would’ve been cool, like how they’ve used the 3DS camera for camos. I'm not sure if it was time constraints, or hardware reasons (remember this could barely run on 3DS to begin with).
If Solid: Rising was ever attempted again, it could be renamed: “Metal Gear Rising: Origins.”
The projects I really wanted to see through were the Cobra Unit's WWII game and the remakew of Metal Gear 1 & 2, especially after the ending of The Phantom Pain, encountering Venom Snake as it appeared in the final cinematic of that game but now as the final boss of MG1 would've been amazing
I still want the Cobra game
It'll be nice to see MGS Rising, cause I'd really like to see how'd the gameplay was going to be, and how the story would've looked like for Raiden's transformation from human to cyborg.
Fans reverse engineered the original Metal Gear on the MSX and someone called h0ffman took that code and made his own Amiga port, including his own pretty badass soundtrack ..so at least the Amiga got its port in the end ;)
25:14 ouch…that hurts. The MSX games deserve remakes the most. Knowing Kojima was aware and was considering it before his departure…god that hurts 😭
Kojima getting ghosted by Platinum for a game that would’ve been a sure success, then the Konami debacle, and then creating the mess that is death stranding. Hmmmm. Boss?
$125 is an expensive board game? Just wait till you see Warhammer
I can't even watch a video about unreleased Metal Gear games now without hearing Mr. Hayter in my head.
“That’s an expensive board game” cries in Warhammer 40K
That "Minna Metal Gear" idea sounds awesome! A Metal Gear/Animal Crossing chimera that relies heavily on social life and connectivity, what's not to love?
Although I don't think it'd been successful in the mid 2000s, today it'd be possible to pull off such idea successfully.
Too bad Konami is allergic to cool ideas.
That type of game COULD work as a mobile
title.
They're allergic to things that will ACTUALLY make money.
Metal Gear Survive is proof of that.
7:04 I have the suspicion, even though this would've been before 5 came out, that this was where the idea of MGS Survive stemmed from.
A proper remake/reimagining of the original 2 MSX games is all I’ve ever wanted…here’s hoping that some day someone can take on that monumental task and do it justice…the stories of those games are so integral to the entire series canon and I’d kill to see what a modern version of them would look/play like
MGRR 10/11 years later. I personally think it’s one of my favorites. Manly due to the OST and boss fights!
Probably the only MG game you've ever played
That tease on more unrealised Kojima's ideas, looking forward to that video. Thanks for the fine work DYKG ✌🏼
im sorry but stopping to explain the invasion of Normandy using Saving Private Ryan has to be the most ridiculous thing I've heard.
A huge amount of American children are literally illiterate, they’re more likely to have seen a movie or played a roblox d-day map than have basic knowledge of ww2.
According to surveys, most Americans can't even find Iraq or Afghanistan on a map. So when I was writing this video, I figured it was probably necessary to provide context for Normandy for the (probably high) percentage of viewers unfamiliar with WW2. Still got the problem of "well what if those people haven't even heard of Saving Private Ryan," but at that point I'm at a loss how to provide context in ~5 seconds. Can't have the video suddenly become a WW2 history lesson.
nah, he was just talking about normandy, and then just saying like: " you know, like where saving private ryan takes place!"
Just cuz it's common knowledge to you, doesn't mean everyone knows it. And the further from the event we get, the less relevant it becomes. That's just the nature of time
kept you waiting huh?
Good to see you venom snake.
I still want a WW2 Era game in the series. The Philosophers coming together, more backstory and time with the Cobras, etc.
It's a real damn shame Kojima will never remake the original Metal Gear MSX games.
I would have love the gray fox rising game first and then the raiden one as rising 2.
Finally, something besides pokemon or nintendo related content.
I'm sad we never got to play Metal Gear Crossing. 😢
Do we really need to explain what Normandy was?
Most Americans can't find Iraq or Afghanistan on a map. So probably yes.
eh might be nice for some of the kids watching who might have not gotten to that part of history class yet.
17:16 - Zanzibar was the setting of Metal Gear 2. The original game was set in the fortress of Outer Heaven.
You can easily tell this video was made in collaboration with two real Metal Gear experts such as Arc_Hound and BadHumans, bravi 👍 (if this is the result maybe I should consider the idea of giving advices to people on Twitter more often than I usually do...🤔)
But then they messed up the name of the location of the first game in the script.
I like to think that Kojima is making money to buy back the MGS rights and fulfill his dream. I want a game featuring the Boss
15:00 also except Portable Ops… don’t forget about that one.
For me, the most interesting ideas were the Sorrow Sandbox Game, The Minna’s Metal Gear, although I have no clue how It would’ve worked and The Coop Boss Fights Game, which would be amazing, because it would make those boss fights feel and play different than solo and also, would be the first real coop experience in the series, that would certainly atract new players to franchise.
Peace walker ignored
@@mobious01 Peace Walker has coop? I Never played it, being honest.
17:21 - jfc that is some nightmare fuel that I was not expecting
Yo, I’m going to meet David Hader next week. I’m so excited and I was thinking about canceled metal gear games last night.
Middle Gear games are good, but I've always been more of a fan of Beginning Gear games. Not sure why they keep making End Gear games, though.
Who's David Hader?
If you meet him, ask him about David Hayter, actor, screenwriter, and all-around nice guy.
Another great video, guys!
Great content DYKG!
Great vid overall but just wanted to mention at 15:58, you guys say MG NES was developed by the same company that was going to make the Amiga port, Banana Development. This isn't correct, the NES version was handled internally at Konami by a different team. This was confirmed in interviews with Kojima. Charles didn't work on the NES version.
I believe MGS4 will come to series x/s and ps5 if Konami launch a Vol 2. They can fit peace walker and twin snakes as well.
I remember being more excited for metal gear solid rising than anything else in the world. I would sit in class and daydream about what would happen in the game all day long.
"Hidechan" is pronounced "Hee-deh-chahn," guys...not "Hyde-chan."
Furthermore, the original Metal Gear takes place in Galzburg, Africa, not Zanzibar Land, as 17:17 claims.
Metal Gear for NES was ported by Konami in Japan. The information that Charles Ernst did the NES port is completely wrong.
Wait, didn't they patch MGS4 with trophy support and full game installation later on?
In 2012, dunno why they didnt mention it.
Dr. Modnar in Rising is a callback to Snatcher, where there's a character Random Hajile who has deep ties to the story.
It would've been better if Konami started the 2D Metal Gear games on both arcade and console ports.
Where the games have a similar concept to both Gauntlet (1985) and Beyond Castle Wolfenstein (1984).
A RoboCop-inspired interquel between MGS2 and 4 sounds fuckin amazing. I'm glad we got the MGR:R we got, but Metal Gear Solid Rising could have been sick as hell if Kojima Productions had the coding skill to do it before the story was drastically reworked for Platinum's version
If you guys can find Rising devs, there has to be people who worked on TPP. How intentional that last act of the game was is one of the biggest mysteries that Kojima and Konami will never answer
GROUND ZEROS SOLD MORE THAN MGS3! WHAT!
People usually forget this, but the only truly super successfull Metal Gear games were Solid 1 and Solid 2, after that they kept selling less and less while their budgets kept getting bigger.
GZ was sold on PS3,PS4,Xbox1 and PC. MGS3 was sold on PS2.
@@Jose-se9puMGS3 sold 6.2 million copies since 2005. It was super successful.
Yeah since 2005. Also, that isn't really a lot. If it sold that amount in it's opening week, that's something. @@3Overhaus
@@OscarDirlwoodIt sold 3.6 million copies in the year 2005. It was a highly successful game of it's time and the numbers prove it.
120 for a board game isn't too bad. Lots of games that have lots of minis cost that much or more.
Welcome back guys....we missed you :)
Kept you waiting, huh?
When I was following Kojima religiously back in the 2000’s i remembered Kojima really wanted to make a game about The Boss and I was legitimately hyped for it. The original Rising plot was also super exciting at the time but we got Revengence instead :(….
MGS1 deserves a remake but MGS2 doesn't? Why do people act like MGS Twin Snakes doesn't exist?
Twin snakes was only on GameCube, there are ports of mgs2 to bring it to a somewhat HD state, a simple port of twin snakes to modern consoles would be good enough.
The boss rush campaign game thing reminds me of final fantasy record keeper a little bit
I love it when this guy does that deadpan humor. Yes, we really do live in the worst timeline because we didn't get the MGS Tiger Electronics game 😂
Going to get that board game!
That Kojipro concept for MGSR sounded so cool!!! I wish we got that instead of the platinum title.
Man, we really need that Metal Gear Master Collection vol. 2, MGS4 needs to be freed from the PS3 jail
Nonono, Holographic Mugged PS1 Johnny cards worth more than your house.
And the only game that (Metal Gear) Survived is the one that shouldn't have.
Thank you for reminding me that I have a Metal Gear Solid board game pre-order pending!
There's not any reason MGS4 can't be on other platforms other than for whatever reason Konami hasn't cashed in on that..yet.
I know the excuse is that it was built around the PS3's analog buttons but my only experience playing through the game was on my PS5 during the window where it was streamable on PS Now and I had no problems without the analog button presses.
4's 360 port must have only been a vertical slice, since if there was a full working game somewhere; it would definitely have leaked
No doubt about it, probably a some kind of teaser...running poorly.
If they still wanted to make a Metal Gear Rising 2, which I doubt will ever happen at all anymore unfortunately, they should've had it be what Metal Gear SOLID Rising was going to be.
That's where Kojima screwed up there: not pitching his original vision for it as a prequel to the game we got now
He didnt want Platinum to mess up the lore (that's his job), and that is why they decided to make it a sequel to MGS4
"We could have had this but Metal Gear"... Context is key to journalistic endeavors, right? Because, back in the day this was released to be competing against the Gameboy (DMG and pocket), the Sega game gear, and the Atari Lynx. (And this is only in the West, can't remember what was the case then with the Wonderswan and the Neogeo Pocket).
Ghost Babel came out for the color and it works just fine, meanwhile a Gameboy color port of Resident Evil exists but was canceled.
By omitting context, younger viewers will just form an opinion that the console was not good, but will not be aware of what it would be competing against (or how underpowered all those machines were).
@squidjam There are plenty of examples of journalistic misconduct that are worth your attention and outrage. Getting angry over an obvious joke made in a video that’s geared toward entertainment is a waste of energy.
I had it when it came out. Not good, even then. Super disappointing Christmas gift choice on my part.
Kojima seems like the kind of person who will have the broadest and least specific idea, then ask someone to develop it, and if they don't, it's their fault for not being able to realize his vision
Shame we never got the canon Metal Gear Rising. Sounds way more interesting.
“…for folks, watching that at super familiar with World War II” saddest thing I’ve heard in a while.
"Vespa Vespa, come to me my child"
We need Metal Gear Ac!d 3
It would have been cool to see Metal Gear Rising starring Frank Jaeger
That's why Kojima is God. We'd all love a WW2 Boss/Cobra Unit game and and Frank Yeager/Cyborg Ninja game and we've all been saying it for years and years. Probably why Kojima likes those ideas. He already knows we'd want them....
I remember the teaser for Rising back in the day, and I loved it. I still loved Revengeance, but I always regretted not being able to see those events in Raiden's life. Some dialogues in mgs4 implies the core events (rescuing Sunny from the Patriots, getting his jaw destroyed, being saved and roboticized by Madnar from mg1) still happened, but it's not the same as going through them.
Kojidrone detected
Wait, wasn't the setting of the first Metal Gear in Galuade/Outer Heaven and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake was in Zanzibarland?
Galuade was Ghost Babel.
@@NeverKetamine Tell me you never played MGS:GB without telling me you never played MGS:GB.
The whole game takes place in the same place as Metal Gear. You can even find the remains of the original Metal Gear battle tank during the events of the game.
@screamingfalcon71 I don't know what to tell you, it's a very easy fact and distinction to Google. GB takes place in an alternate timeline, one in which MG1 happened in a different time and location and with completely different events. The mainline Metal Gear series doesn't have any appearance of Galuade in it, it's a location exclusive to Ghost Babel. There's a 4th wall breaking reference to Ghost Babel that mentions Galuade in MGS4 if you look at the description of the FiveSeven but that's the only reference in the mainline series.
What were you saying about having not played GB? Seems like I'm the only one that really paid attention to the details here.
@NeverKetamine And you're missing the whole point of them mentioning the wrong location.
The first game took place in the mercenary fortress Outer Heaven (in an alternate timeline, it was repurposed into Galuade, making it the same place with a new name) and not Zanzibarland, which was the location from the second game.
@screamingfalcon71 Nope, you're missing it entirely. If it's the wrong location then there's no point to it besides a simple mistake on their part. Galuade and Outer Heaven aren't the same place, they're two different locations albeit with pretty much the same narrative purpose in two different unrelated universes. It's like how Solid Snake from the AC!D games is a completely different person to the mainline Solid Snake. Same name and fill a similar role, but they're completely seperate. No idea why you're pulling up Zanzibarland, I never mentioned it myself. This conversation is quite disjointed because it's just you not understanding what I'm saying, and because of that I have no use for it. Do some googling and calm down, maybe reread what I've said a couple times until you get it.
You left out how there was going to be a MGS game for the Nokia Ngage, my source is Screwattack.
I've played that one before, it wasn't so bad. Unless there was another MGS planned for the N-gage which was canceled.
Being sociable and making connections with people IRL became CQC them and strap a balloon on. You can tell what a good guy Hideo is just from things like that, and how execs really stifle his creativity for dollars.
God, I remember hearing about Metal Gear Rising back in the day. Sounds like it would have been pretty fun.
Kojima has had some horrific ideas...
I pre-ordered the board game last summer. looking forward to it hitting the table.
A user had access to the debug mode of MGS 3D, it's a shame he didn't make it available for us to test this extra ops he had.
Same thing with the GameFAQs douche who has been gatekeeping the Peace Walker debug stuff.
No! That’s NOT Solid Snake!
Don't wanna sound like I'm moaning but Normandy was a joint Western allies offensive and not a US led or solely acted out by the US.
As a non-American this feels quite dismissive of the other nations that took part.
I know this was no way the intention but this misrepresentation, while small, can cause false narratives to occur.
The rest of the video is outstanding as always ❤
7:57 - It's "Hee-deh-chan" radio, lol. It's from his name - Hideo, not the English verb "hide" 🤣
To be fair it's reasonable to assume either given his past with stealth games.
When they don't post in 2 weeks you know they got something good cooking.
16:14 I'm confused, the text you show here explains that they made the DOS version based on the Famicom/NES version, and not that they made the NES version based on the MSX version. but then you say that they made the NES version?
It's a mistake. Ernst only worked on the DOS port, the NES port was made in-house at Konami. But it's true that the DOS version was created from scratch & based on the NES version.
I built two or three Pokemon decks that I was rather proud of and couldn't find a single person to play against.
Everyone and their mama had Magic decks though. I guess I wasn't cool enough.
Why does Kojima ignored Twins Snakes remake?
They seems to forgot the remake of 1 in GC Twin Snakes....It MGS 2 doesn't need a remake, so does Twin Snakes...