Can’t t face the heat..? (leaving twitter) I like the street preachers..they deal with many uncomfortable situations and questions on Faith/Gospel in the public domain. From my observations, they stand their ground. A rave in the nave or a helter skelter in a cathedral, isn’t my kind of worship either..Thanks for your input on this Rev. Dan.
While I agree with you on yoga (in any church much less the cathedral), I am still in a state of shock over the sale of the Anglican church that sponsored my Scout group long ago was sold for a mosque. Sure they had a "de-consecration" service before they sold it but it's still wrong. Another church I attended (both of these were in BC, Canada - diocese of New Westminster) has now been closed by the diocese after 2/3 of the members left over the blessing of same sex unions in our diocese. How that was handled is THE key reason why none of my 3 children are in the faith today. That said I will always treasure Holy Communion at Westminster Abbey in 2016 (roughly 2 weeks before the Brexit vote). PS. While I'm not a fan of Franklin Graham (unlike his father), it would have required zero effort on his part to say nothing. Good on him for saying what he could for giving comfort in a nasty situation in Los Angeles. As you say giving comfort in times of crisis is an important part of Christian ministry.
I wonder whether those that are quick to say they are running from 'truth' platforms might return in the future when/if they prove popular? Similarly, one hopes and prays that the declining woke churches will return to the Bible when/if the see orthodox/conservative communities succeeding in growth/conversions?
His legacy is that he was an apologist for the Church of England, and more interested in leftist ideologies than Christianity, those ideologies are weak on child protection and do not support family values, this led to his lack of courage in exposing the child abuse that he clearly knew about.
Good morning - Rev Dan ! I don't use X or Twitter ! I prefer to pick and choose my choice ! You are one of my preferred choices and I use Snapchat with others of the Church Choir. To reveal that the Bishop of Bristol uses X is of some concern to me. Facebook was a one used in the past. I don't use them ! Personally! I respond to your posts because I listen to the points you have made and have said. I have spoken to you in honesty of how I felt about things involving the wider complications in the Church of England. And it's the case to do so and try to provide a navigation throughout the difficulties. Coming to the other issue of how a new Archbishop of Canterbury will deal with the problems in the Church of England? Is perhaps a good question indeed. And requizits in the role. Are legitimate - I would tend to reflect on this point. Justin Welby's legacy is more difficult to assess and judge and to figure out. There are maybe some things where the legacy is harder to assess. I don't hold a view that he was the worst of Archbishops or since the year 1621 as you had observed - there have been a fair amount of up and down in this matter. It seems that it has led to some changes coming through. I share your point!
Paul the Apostle was not afraid to go onto the Areopagus in Athens which was the place of conversation and debate in the Greco-Roman world. This is virtue signalling, pure and simple. Why X? I think it is obvious the real reasons for this withdrawal.
What are you exposing your heart to? What is the impact that it’s having on the way you think about yourself, on the way that you think about life? Where in social media do you go for pleasure? We’re in a completely different world when it comes to how, now, do you guard your heart. How do you keep your thoughts pure? What is it that you expose, not just your physical eyes, but the eyes of your heart, too? This tool that is enormously beneficial for good is also a powerful tool of sin and temptation, and we need to be honest about that. The church is being weakened by that, by the fact that we are now comfortable with exposing ourselves to things that we should have never exposed ourselves To.
A Cleric has a vocation. (S)he does not do it for the money. A stipend is necessary to facilitate the vocation - else how would (s)he eat ? It is there to meet needs; not without reason is it described as a 'living'. The NEEDS of a person are no different whether (s)he be a curate in training or an Archbishop. Therefore all stipends should be the same, all living accommodation to the same standard. This would limit "careerism"; very important.
Thank you, Dan. As you say, "We are called to be salt and light to the earth"; and that does not mean aligning with worldly values. In many respects and very often, the Church of Jesus Christ needs to be the opposite; and historically it has often done just that. As other commenters here have observed, Paul went to the Areopagus to engage with the pagan society of Athens. He did not allow his spirit, rightly outraged at the paganism, to drive what he said; but he engaged the paganism head-on in a forceful but loving way, by identifying in it a need and a desire for God, albeit a mis-directed desire. So we don't retreat into worldly silos just because places such as X allow the expression of things of which we disapprove, however unpleasant we find them. We deal with that via counter-argument, rooted in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Like some others here, I'm a free speech absolutist. That's not because of anything to do with current political tensions, but because free speech is one of the cardinal manifestations of liberty; and it was liberty (not the same thing as freedom) that God granted us in the Garden of Eden. All the societies that have produced the most profound and healthy flourishing of individuals and communities are those that granted liberty. I too joined the Free Speech Union recently. I wear its badge, which can be a good talking point in the pub or wherever; but I always explain the Christian-rooted reasons why I support it so strongly.
As for Carlisle diocese... Well their Facebook page gets about 10-15 likes and few comments... Considering there are supposed to be 12,500 weekly attenders that's like 1 in 1000 who actually notice. I actually bet pretty fed up with the (paid for) posts from the general CofE service that annoyingly pop up over-regularly which just got scrolled on by one wonders if it's really worth the bother. Maybe down south you are all more trendy and up with the times.
DAN: Please keep posting on UA-cam. This Platform makes thingseasy for old technophobes like me: and we are strangers to 'social media' in our home. Thbe Bishop of Bristol, and her Diocese, in speaking of "our values" is falluing into the Identity Politics trap;, so excellently revealed by Douglas Murray: Black people think this.....really? Women think that......really? Homosexual people think this......really? Christians think that......really? THE major consequence of Judeo-Christian belief (though not Islamic!) is that we are all valued as 'individuals', by the Creator God of Israel: and that the only "values" which we should attest are those of Jesus of Nazareth (and no; they are not the equivalent of whichever version of the Ten Commandments we choose). "Someone who "reads a texts plainly, as what it means" (as a qualification for ABC)? I take it we are all aware that our scriptures are written in a variety of languages (principally Hebrew and Koine Greek - a form of 'common' Greek propagated through the conquests of Alexander). This means we are (unless biblical scholars) reading them in TRANSLATION. Any good translation will be peppered with marginal, or foot, notes; explaining problems with defining what an expression or word could, possibly, be. The personal New Testament translation of Dr David Bently Hart provides an excellent examplke of this: sufficient to cause any reader worth his/her salt to pause; before using a specific text to condemn a greater 'sinner' than themselves! The ration between parasitic 'drone' bureaucrats, to clergy,, in Dioceses, is matched in other organisations which have been captured by Globalist-Communism: try the Teaching profession. Teachers are vastly outnumbered by "support" staff, these days. Peterborough Cathedral - though comparatively little known - deserves support; because, with Durham and Ely, it ranks as one of the greatest Romanesque (Norman) cathedrals of Europe. Back in the 1980s, living in Peterborough, I would occasionally attend services in the cathedral; and the interior is spoectacular. Rachel Reeves and the Starmer Regime's attitude to human rights, during the Chancellor's visit to Chinba, demonstrates that such 'rights' only matter, when they can be used against the indigenous Peopkle of the UK. To Parliament, 'human rights' are a moveable feast.
I watched the Ashenden and Conger show. Judge not etc. ? It was an Godly, and self-focused, self-satisfied 'look at us' pomp job. As ever. I couldn't see Jesus anywhere near them. Humility isn't their thing. Have a look if you haven't. Is this what Jesus would say?
You are making me schizophrenic. I am a trained Roman Catholic, but left the church 30 years ago from disbelief. Also, anger over the child sex scandal and the underhanded activities of the church to politically oppose gay rights in the US. But, I like listening to your videos. You have an empathetic perspective, and are consistent in your messaging. I've left some snarky commentaries on past videos, but I hope not disrespectful.
The Church of England is worrying about totally the wrong things
Should diocese quit X? This is beyond infantile. This is this sort of nonsense that prevents people from joining the church.
Great to hear the word DIOCESAN pronounced correctly ;)
Can’t t face the heat..? (leaving twitter) I like the street preachers..they deal with many uncomfortable situations and questions on Faith/Gospel in the public domain. From my observations, they stand their ground. A rave in the nave or a helter skelter in a cathedral, isn’t my kind of worship either..Thanks for your input on this Rev. Dan.
While I agree with you on yoga (in any church much less the cathedral), I am still in a state of shock over the sale of the Anglican church that sponsored my Scout group long ago was sold for a mosque. Sure they had a "de-consecration" service before they sold it but it's still wrong. Another church I attended (both of these were in BC, Canada - diocese of New Westminster) has now been closed by the diocese after 2/3 of the members left over the blessing of same sex unions in our diocese. How that was handled is THE key reason why none of my 3 children are in the faith today.
That said I will always treasure Holy Communion at Westminster Abbey in 2016 (roughly 2 weeks before the Brexit vote).
PS. While I'm not a fan of Franklin Graham (unlike his father), it would have required zero effort on his part to say nothing. Good on him for saying what he could for giving comfort in a nasty situation in Los Angeles. As you say giving comfort in times of crisis is an important part of Christian ministry.
I think bluesky needs more Christian outreach than twitter/X. I don't think that's why CoE is heading there though.
I wonder whether those that are quick to say they are running from 'truth' platforms might return in the future when/if they prove popular? Similarly, one hopes and prays that the declining woke churches will return to the Bible when/if the see orthodox/conservative communities succeeding in growth/conversions?
@@PhilipShepherd
Excellent comment. Agree 👍
His legacy is that he was an apologist for the Church of England, and more interested in
leftist ideologies than Christianity, those ideologies are weak on child protection and do
not support family values, this led to his lack of courage in exposing the child abuse that
he clearly knew about.
Leaving twitter? just following the woke hysteria.
Yeah, really. It’s twee and a little alarming that this guy thinks the CofE circa 2025 is interested in anything resembling historical Christianity.
I have greatest respect for Musk. Perhaps they don’t like the truth ?
Good morning - Rev Dan ! I don't use X or Twitter ! I prefer to pick and choose my choice ! You are one of my preferred choices and I use Snapchat with others of the Church Choir. To reveal that the Bishop of Bristol uses X is of some concern to me. Facebook was a one used in the past. I don't use them ! Personally!
I respond to your posts because I listen to the points you have made and have said. I have spoken to you in honesty of how I felt about things involving the wider complications in the Church of England. And it's the case to do so and try to provide a navigation throughout the difficulties.
Coming to the other issue of how a new Archbishop of Canterbury will deal with the problems in the Church of England? Is perhaps a good question indeed. And requizits in the role. Are legitimate - I would tend to reflect on this point.
Justin Welby's legacy is more difficult to assess and judge and to figure out. There are maybe some things where the legacy is harder to assess. I don't hold a view that he was the worst of Archbishops or since the year 1621 as you had observed - there have been a fair amount of up and down in this matter. It seems that it has led to some changes coming through. I share your point!
Paul the Apostle was not afraid to go onto the Areopagus in Athens which was the place of conversation and debate in the Greco-Roman world. This is virtue signalling, pure and simple. Why X? I think it is obvious the real reasons for this withdrawal.
What are you exposing your heart to? What is the impact that it’s having on the way you think about yourself, on the way that you think about life? Where in social media do you go for pleasure? We’re in a completely different world when it comes to how, now, do you guard your heart. How do you keep your thoughts pure? What is it that you expose, not just your physical eyes, but the eyes of your heart, too? This tool that is enormously beneficial for good is also a powerful tool of sin and temptation, and we need to be honest about that. The church is being weakened by that, by the fact that we are now comfortable with exposing ourselves to things that we should have never exposed ourselves To.
All the major denominations have incredible numbers of non-frontline staff. 'Church management' has become a career option!
The merely catholic one was a bit brutal. But hard to disagree.
This week I joined The Free Speech Union ... Am I swimming with the new tide?
It's on my birthday list to join!
Excellent! I joined a few months ago. I explain why in my long comment here.
@@saintwatson1 When is your birthday?
@@PhilipShepherd next month! I have wondered if it supports Christians.
@@saintwatson1 100% The website has a page and vid devoted to Religious Freedom of Speech
George Abbot shot the gamekeeper my mistake and was distraught! he spent the rest of his life mourning the man and often fasting in reparation.
No!
A Cleric has a vocation. (S)he does not do it for the money. A stipend is necessary to facilitate the vocation - else how would (s)he eat ? It is there to meet needs; not without reason is it described as a 'living'. The NEEDS of a person are no different whether (s)he be a curate in training or an Archbishop. Therefore all stipends should be the same, all living accommodation to the same standard. This would limit "careerism"; very important.
James Dudley Smith's list would exclude all other than our dear lord Jesus Christ and he'd be to radical for the CofE
Thank you, Dan. As you say, "We are called to be salt and light to the earth"; and that does not mean aligning with worldly values. In many respects and very often, the Church of Jesus Christ needs to be the opposite; and historically it has often done just that. As other commenters here have observed, Paul went to the Areopagus to engage with the pagan society of Athens. He did not allow his spirit, rightly outraged at the paganism, to drive what he said; but he engaged the paganism head-on in a forceful but loving way, by identifying in it a need and a desire for God, albeit a mis-directed desire.
So we don't retreat into worldly silos just because places such as X allow the expression of things of which we disapprove, however unpleasant we find them. We deal with that via counter-argument, rooted in the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Like some others here, I'm a free speech absolutist. That's not because of anything to do with current political tensions, but because free speech is one of the cardinal manifestations of liberty; and it was liberty (not the same thing as freedom) that God granted us in the Garden of Eden. All the societies that have produced the most profound and healthy flourishing of individuals and communities are those that granted liberty. I too joined the Free Speech Union recently. I wear its badge, which can be a good talking point in the pub or wherever; but I always explain the Christian-rooted reasons why I support it so strongly.
As for Carlisle diocese... Well their Facebook page gets about 10-15 likes and few comments... Considering there are supposed to be 12,500 weekly attenders that's like 1 in 1000 who actually notice.
I actually bet pretty fed up with the (paid for) posts from the general CofE service that annoyingly pop up over-regularly which just got scrolled on by one wonders if it's really worth the bother.
Maybe down south you are all more trendy and up with the times.
The plural of Diocese is dioceses. One Diocese. Two dioceses. However, the pronounciation is different: one dio-sis. Two dio-seez.
No one cares
exactly!!! oooh, the diocese of Winchester is doing this and that! Elon will be trembling!
DAN: Please keep posting on UA-cam. This Platform makes thingseasy for old technophobes like me: and we are strangers to 'social media' in our home. Thbe Bishop of Bristol, and her Diocese, in speaking of "our values" is falluing into the Identity Politics trap;, so excellently revealed by Douglas Murray: Black people think this.....really? Women think that......really? Homosexual people think this......really? Christians think that......really? THE major consequence of Judeo-Christian belief (though not Islamic!) is that we are all valued as 'individuals', by the Creator God of Israel: and that the only "values" which we should attest are those of Jesus of Nazareth (and no; they are not the equivalent of whichever version of the Ten Commandments we choose). "Someone who "reads a texts plainly, as what it means" (as a qualification for ABC)? I take it we are all aware that our scriptures are written in a variety of languages (principally Hebrew and Koine Greek - a form of 'common' Greek propagated through the conquests of Alexander). This means we are (unless biblical scholars) reading them in TRANSLATION. Any good translation will be peppered with marginal, or foot, notes; explaining problems with defining what an expression or word could, possibly, be. The personal New Testament translation of Dr David Bently Hart provides an excellent examplke of this: sufficient to cause any reader worth his/her salt to pause; before using a specific text to condemn a greater 'sinner' than themselves! The ration between parasitic 'drone' bureaucrats, to clergy,, in Dioceses, is matched in other organisations which have been captured by Globalist-Communism: try the Teaching profession. Teachers are vastly outnumbered by "support" staff, these days. Peterborough Cathedral - though comparatively little known - deserves support; because, with Durham and Ely, it ranks as one of the greatest Romanesque (Norman) cathedrals of Europe. Back in the 1980s, living in Peterborough, I would occasionally attend services in the cathedral; and the interior is spoectacular. Rachel Reeves and the Starmer Regime's attitude to human rights, during the Chancellor's visit to Chinba, demonstrates that such 'rights' only matter, when they can be used against the indigenous Peopkle of the UK. To Parliament, 'human rights' are a moveable feast.
His legacy is: Gospel betrayal and wokeology
I watched the Ashenden and Conger show. Judge not etc. ? It was an Godly, and self-focused, self-satisfied 'look at us' pomp job. As ever. I couldn't see Jesus anywhere near them. Humility isn't their thing. Have a look if you haven't. Is this what Jesus would say?
You are making me schizophrenic. I am a trained Roman Catholic, but left the church 30 years ago from disbelief. Also, anger over the child sex scandal and the underhanded activities of the church to politically oppose gay rights in the US. But, I like listening to your videos. You have an empathetic perspective, and are consistent in your messaging.
I've left some snarky commentaries on past videos, but I hope not disrespectful.