Ich habe Wolfram persönlich in einem Vortrag kennengelernt. Er gab einen Vortrag in einer Klinik in Oberstaufen, wo er auch als leitender Psychologe beschäftigt war. Ich bin sehr dankbar in dieser Klinik gewesen zu sein und auch Ansätze zu meiner Genesung erhalten zu haben. Das genannte Buch gibt ausführliche Informationen zum Thema. Ich habe dafür jedoch viel Zeit gebraucht, um es vollständig zu verstehen.
Endlich! Habe so viele Vorträge gehört und Bücher gelesen, um mich besser zu verstehen und ändern zu können, aber dieses Thema war nicht dabei, oder nur in sehr verkürzter Weise. Danke...Danke... Danke
both Kolling and Kob are admirable! thank you! יhowever I dont understand one central point in Kolling. Semantically, shame as I am used to it, also Franz Kob seems to agree, is marked typically by our imagining what OTHERS think of us, how they evaluate us, appreciate us, etc. It is a self offence which results from the actual or imagined low esteem which OTHERS have about us. Therefore to develop it requires a sense of self, a sense of others, a complicated sense of theory of what goes on in the Other's mind concerning my value in his perception. The other can be actual (mother, friend, classmate) imagined, abstract (moral values) or even transcendentalized, (what god and Jesus think of me). But it has to be an Other. Not so according to Kollin, as I understand. Here you actually speak of any perceived sense of mutilation, or trauma, or injury, or offence, which, therefore can be traced, for example, even to the baby in the womb, who does not yet have a sense of self, or a sense of others, let alone a theory of what the OTHER thinks of him. But then, why speak of shame rather of injury? And what remains of the distinction between shame and injury, shame and offence, shame and trauma? And very importantly, where do you put an injury which does not involve a negative self evaluation? I can be traumatized by an illness and still not be ashamed of it. I can be invalidated by a car accident and not lose my self value. Some people win the paralympic competitions proudly after having experienced major traumas, -- THEY are certainly not suffering from shame?!
Die Farbgebung geht auf Don Beck und Chris Cowan zurück. Spiral Dynamics. Wurde abgeleitet aus dem Werk von Clare W. Graves. Der mit Buchstabenkombinationen arbeitete.
Ich habe Wolfram persönlich in einem Vortrag kennengelernt. Er gab einen Vortrag in einer Klinik in Oberstaufen, wo er auch als leitender Psychologe beschäftigt war. Ich bin sehr dankbar in dieser Klinik gewesen zu sein und auch Ansätze zu meiner Genesung erhalten zu haben. Das genannte Buch gibt ausführliche Informationen zum Thema. Ich habe dafür jedoch viel Zeit gebraucht, um es vollständig zu verstehen.
Endlich! Habe so viele Vorträge gehört und Bücher gelesen, um mich besser zu verstehen und ändern zu können, aber dieses Thema war nicht dabei, oder nur in sehr verkürzter Weise.
Danke...Danke... Danke
Sehr hilfreich Super❤️❤️👍
Wolfram Kölling ist super, sehr sympathisch und authentisch.
Das stimmt 😊
both Kolling and Kob are admirable! thank you! יhowever I dont understand one central point in Kolling. Semantically, shame as I am used to it, also Franz Kob seems to agree, is marked typically by our imagining what OTHERS think of us, how they evaluate us, appreciate us, etc.
It is a self offence which results from the actual or imagined low esteem which OTHERS have about us. Therefore to develop it requires a sense of self, a sense of others, a complicated sense of theory of what goes on in the Other's mind concerning my value in his perception. The other can be actual (mother, friend, classmate) imagined, abstract (moral values) or even transcendentalized, (what god and Jesus think of me). But it has to be an Other.
Not so according to Kollin, as I understand. Here you actually speak of any perceived sense of mutilation, or trauma, or injury, or offence, which, therefore can be traced, for example, even to the baby in the womb, who does not yet have a sense of self, or a sense of others, let alone a theory of what the OTHER thinks of him.
But then, why speak of shame rather of injury? And what remains of the distinction between shame and injury, shame and offence, shame and trauma?
And very importantly, where do you put an injury which does not involve a negative self evaluation? I can be traumatized by an illness and still not be ashamed of it. I can be invalidated by a car accident and not lose my self value. Some people win the paralympic competitions proudly after having experienced major traumas, -- THEY are certainly not suffering from shame?!
Kölling is top!
Die Farbgebung geht auf Don Beck und Chris Cowan zurück. Spiral Dynamics. Wurde abgeleitet aus dem Werk von Clare W. Graves. Der mit Buchstabenkombinationen arbeitete.
Jo jo jo, ich feier Herr Kölling, echt super Referent, der als Erster die falsche/krankhafte Scham entdeckt hat.
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