Excellent conversation! We need more honest collapse wisdom like this, that moves the narrative out of the gloom and doom, without faking the funk about the dire reality of our predicament. There are benefits in collapse acceptance that open the door for more to be the "rocks in the river" and potentially redirect the torrent in ways that could help our species collapse well together, and ultimately benefit all the rest of the community of life. Much gratitude Nate and Vicki! 💚
Very insightful, glad I found this interview! I have been listening to Vicki since reading YMYL many years ago, and listening to Nate since this past December upon finding The Great Simplification. The solution(s) are difficult for the reasons mentioned in this interview, and some of the FIRE/frugal/environmental bloggers such as Jacob Lund Fisker with 'Early Retirement Extreme' and Pete with 'Mr. Money Mustache' have also been influential in spreading this message essentially using financial freedom/economic independence as the 'carrot', while deep down the book/blogs were ultimately about environmental health and improvement in efficiency of living. I think that is a good start towards creating the positive adventure as discussed in the episode. The million dollar....or rather the important question is really how to scale this and have this lifestyle of much less consumerism to become more mainstream. People can choose to become this way voluntarily, or possibly be forced to involuntarily at some point. I am grateful I found the sub FIRE group in 2016, haven't looked back. I enjoyed the analogy of the rocks in the river! Thank you, Vicki and Nate for a great discussion! More people need to watch/listen to this!
Ppl talk about collapse like it's a clearly defined moment in time. However, it's much more likely we get a series of smaller and bigger disasters, of which economy and society will recover more slowly as climate change proceeds. Large scale migrations wil ensue, and locally some groups will revolt and degrade to roguish lifestyles. Areas that will be hit will also differ from time to time, and it's hard to predict at what moment in time a prepared community will need to resort to it's own skills and resources. And I do wonder, will they be prepared to fight and keep our those rampaging bands ? When will industry no longer be able to provide tools, weapons, ammo ? As some wise old man said, predicting is tough, especially when talking about the future.
Excellent conversation! We need more honest collapse wisdom like this, that moves the narrative out of the gloom and doom, without faking the funk about the dire reality of our predicament. There are benefits in collapse acceptance that open the door for more to be the "rocks in the river" and potentially redirect the torrent in ways that could help our species collapse well together, and ultimately benefit all the rest of the community of life. Much gratitude Nate and Vicki! 💚
Wonderful holistic common sense and deeply insightful wisdom. Excellent helpful sense. Heartfelt thanks. 44:56
Very insightful, glad I found this interview! I have been listening to Vicki since reading YMYL many years ago, and listening to Nate since this past December upon finding The Great Simplification. The solution(s) are difficult for the reasons mentioned in this interview, and some of the FIRE/frugal/environmental bloggers such as Jacob Lund Fisker with 'Early Retirement Extreme' and Pete with 'Mr. Money Mustache' have also been influential in spreading this message essentially using financial freedom/economic independence as the 'carrot', while deep down the book/blogs were ultimately about environmental health and improvement in efficiency of living. I think that is a good start towards creating the positive adventure as discussed in the episode. The million dollar....or rather the important question is really how to scale this and have this lifestyle of much less consumerism to become more mainstream. People can choose to become this way voluntarily, or possibly be forced to involuntarily at some point. I am grateful I found the sub FIRE group in 2016, haven't looked back. I enjoyed the analogy of the rocks in the river! Thank you, Vicki and Nate for a great discussion! More people need to watch/listen to this!
At age sixty my retiring medical doctor told me to exercise, lose weight, eat whole food. That is what can go right. Do it.
Had to run that one back! Fire! 🏃🏾♂️
Great to hear from Nate on here!
This was a great conversation!
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Ppl talk about collapse like it's a clearly defined moment in time.
However, it's much more likely we get a series of smaller and bigger disasters, of which economy and society will recover more slowly as climate change proceeds. Large scale migrations wil ensue, and locally some groups will revolt and degrade to roguish lifestyles.
Areas that will be hit will also differ from time to time, and it's hard to predict at what moment in time a prepared community will need to resort to it's own skills and resources. And I do wonder, will they be prepared to fight and keep our those rampaging bands ? When will industry no longer be able to provide tools, weapons, ammo ?
As some wise old man said, predicting is tough, especially when talking about the future.
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My daughter is studying Well-being and sociology at Canterbury University so shall pass this helpful video for her to share 🌏
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Nate and I just want to hang out with our dogs.
Do you know anyone that would willingly decrease their standard of living in order to preserve/protect the planet/resources? I don't
Citizens lack the intellegence, leadership lacks trhe wisdom. It's over.
Why that name of channel? Post carbon? O.K., post oil, post natural gas, post coal, but not 100%! Or?