NEW NASA Pulsed Plasma Drive! 14 TIMES the performance of SpaceX Raptor or BO BE-4!
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- Опубліковано 14 тра 2024
- NASA has recently invested in several different types of cutting edge propulsion. This one can get us to Mars, ROUND TRIP, in just over 100 days!
#space #nasa #marsmission
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Mr. Angry, your content just keeps on getting better and better.
yea, we love the positive news, not the angry ones.
This is the kind of stuff I wait for, from ‘Angry’. Keep it up
Totally.
Keeping in mind that NASA also funded Boeing and look at what we have gotten from that investment. I would not hold my breath
This is the kind of content that makes your channel shine.
There are so many ideas that just haven't gotten the funding until lately. The post Apollo pullback really killed our innovation in propulsion. I am glad that we did finally perfect the ion engines from the 1960s. But high thrust efficient engines kind of died when the NERVA program was cancelled. Thank Nixon for his lack of vision and the "lets spend money on Earth" people in Congress. (As I always say, the idea that money will not be spent on something you don't want, does not guarantee the money will be spent on what you do want. And Space technology always boosts the economy, delivering $10+ of benefit for every dollar spent, and continues to pay in technological advancement for decades.)
NASA knows like SpaceX, there is a big rock in space heading our way soon!
Next Generation Propulsion and future propulsion systems are a necessity for any serious exploration of even our own solar system.
It IS "Science Fiction" until it becomes "Science Fact".
Way to go Angry !.. Your level of research/details is unique and just exactly what we need , in an age of shallow and inaccurate reporting. Thank You
WoW! What an episode!
I know a kid in college studying these pulse motors!
Careful. You shouldn't tell state secrets. You never know where you will end up.
This concept could be field tested with an unmanned mission to the outer solar system, which would be beneficial for achieving Decadal Survey planetary science goals. A win win!
A nuclear/plasma derived engine that can tugboat rockets between planets is key!!!!
Thanks Mr Angry, love a good alternative propulsion episode!
Starship using the atmosphere to slow itself is a design feature. The "belly-flop" is done to reduce its cross-sectional density to increae passive speed loss to reduce the amount of propellant required for this phase.
Reduce? Density?
@@AdrianBoyko
Yup. Passive speed loss can be managed by reducing the amount of mass per square meter presented to the atmosphere as the ship passes through it.
The Starship is basically a cylinder 9m in diameter, 50m long having a dry mass of 100 tonnes, a payload of 100 tonnes and no more than 300 tonnes of fuel (25% full) for a total of 500 tonnes or 500,000 kg.
Its end-on cross sectional density is mass/cross sectional area or 500,000 kg/63.617 m**2 = 7,859.5 kg/m**2
Forward or backward, that much sectional density will keep its speed until thrust is used.
If it does the belly-flop, it presents a cross section of up to 9m x 50m or 450 m**2 if the vehicle is pitched up 90°. The flaps are mostly intended to manage that pitch up angle.
It's sectional density is now:
500,000 kg / 450 m**2 = 1,111.1 kg/m**2
That is about 1/7 of the sectional density when presented end-on and even the extremely thin Martian atmosphere can slow the craft somewhat. The landing burn will start at a lower velocity and save fuel because less delta-v will be required.
All we've done is rotate the ship 90° on its pitch axis, thereby reducing the sectional density by a factor of 7 and the atmosphere will save us fuel.
Thing is an object dose not naturally assume that kind of orientation, a tube wants to naturally enter end first, heavy end first if it has one. It remains to be seen if StarShip has the control nessary to orient itself durring entry.
@@AdrianBoyko
Yes. Reduce its density. Specifically, reduce its cross sectional density relative to its direction of travel through the atmosphere.
Starship's dry mass is 100,000 kg. It's payload is another 100,000 kg. If it arrives at Mars carrying 25% fuel, it will have 300,000 kg of fuel onboard for a total of 500,000 kg
Starship is basically a right circular cylinder of a 9 m diameter and 50 m length.
Its cross sectional area, perpendicular to its longitudinal axis is
3.1416 x 4.5m**2 = 63.617 m**2
Its cross sectional density is then total mass/area or
500,000 kg/63.617 m**2 = 7859.5 kg/m**2
If the ship pitches up 90° relative to it's path through the atmosphere, its cross sectional area will be 9 m x 50 m= 450 m**2
The mass remains the same, 500,000 kg, so the cross sectional density is 500,000 kg/450 m**2 = 1,111.1 kg/m**2
The belly-flop will make the atmosphere, any atmosphere, seven times more effective slowing the Starship without burning fuel.
@@AdrianBoyko
I have replied at length four times but they keep disappearing.
The mass of the Starship will be the same, end-on or belly flop. However, the area being pushed through the atmosphere in the belly-flop is seven times the area of the base of the Starship.
The belly-flop will cause the ship to slow seven times as much as boring straight in.
How does this ship get in to space or are we building up there? Secondly, once you get to Mars, how are you landing? Do you need a set of standard rockets to land on Mars? If so then you need to store the fuel. lots of questions.
I was very impressed with your presentation. Good to see your acknowledgment of your contributors as well. It shows a mastery of your medium. You’re deeper than angry, for sure!
Try to get a live demonstration of Buehler's static pressure system.
If his extensive data is correct (thousands of tests, just a few dozen published), the Navy could possibly retrofit nuclear submarines to fly in space!
Enjoying your content because it covers a wide range of topics rather than just focusing on SpaceX.
16:08 The one snowglobe you wouldn't wanna shake for a moment of joy.
There is a phenomena beyond plasma that Ken Shoulders worked with: Exotic vacuum objects. For more on EVOs and propulsion, may I recommend the MFMP information on YT hosted by Bob Greenyer. Good stuff AA. Appreciate you.
Finally someone else who at least knows about Fractal Toroidal Moments! god's toolkit
These will never be practical unless we make major improvements to flux capacitors so that they can tolerate the increased levels of gravimetric tachyons.
Will be awesome when SpaceX starts manufacturing some of these new technologies in mass.
Rocket lab is pretty awesome too. A vast majority of their revenue isn't from launch but satellite systems.
I don't know about nuclear/plasma engines but I bet they can build other technologies.
I really appreciate and enjoy this type of content very much!!! Thank you so much for your work.
"Neutrons being fired by lasers" -- WTF?
this was my question. you have to generate a lot of neutrons to cause fission to occur. Nuclear reactors do this, lasers do not. Is there a conventional fission reactor on board to act as a neutron source? (I can imagine that working)
Yea, @angry does not always know what he is talking about.🤔
@@aaaaa5272 you can do it with a particle accellerator (and a target). Thats probably what they're doing I'm guessing.
Can we have Project Orion?
No, we have Project Orion at home
Project Orion at home:
7:03 This footage is insane!
Very interesting video
More on exotic propulsion technology please
This thing sounds like an early phase cannon or photon torpedo.
Exciting stuff coming from all directions. The Exodus drive sounds very promising, and now we have pulsed plasma! Those performance characteristics are mind-blowing. This is information-dense reporting; I had to listen twice to get everything. Very promising. You make a good point about the aerobraking with conventional rockets, which is super-risky. Exciting that this new thing is functioning with existing tech.
Very exciting. I’m getting very old. I just want to live longer to see how things work out.
I've just joined the channel ,we have some life journey elements in common and I like your channel and subject matter. Glad to have you in Britain
No tech-dev, that's how you bring things to market today
If this would be truly viable, then Lockheed Martin would build it for the Army, not for Nasa. :D
Use the raptors to get up to some sort of station where you can enter a pulsed drive vehicle to go to Mars. To my understanding the bouncing capsules are very effective in Mars.
Fun Fact: 100k Newtons is 22,481 lbs force. Just a hair less than the venerable Pratt & Whitney F100 Reheated thrust turbofan used in the F15 and F-16 fighters. That is respectable indeed for a non-chemical motor, because it can fire for 10 times as long! (ʘ_ʘ)
It seems like the best engine
It's not just the flight time. It's the length of the length and placement of the launch and return windows.
Nothing scintillates the mind quite like the length of lengths
Well, the Earth to Mars distance constantly changes. Length equals not length.
NASA material proves this ;•) so then we have:
+length = -length
Now fill this into the right formula, and we have the UFOdrive. Mars in 10min.
Great video! Plasma drive!? Is it me or have there "coincidentally" been a lot more revelations about fuel, drives, anti-gravity, witnesses with clear uap pics, more govt admission of sightings & programs, etc. Is this what controlled disclosure looks like?
Definitely great innovative propulsion system,
Unfortunate side is it'll take 25 years of testing before it will be implemented into any human transportation star ships
Do you have any information on whether they are looking to use a phased array magnetic field for the nozzle instead of a fixed cage as shown? It would have the advantages of speed and directionality for controlling the plasma.
It's exciting to finally see actual research going into this. Now hopefully, congress won't decide to hamstring NASA. I missed Apollo by 8 years, and I want to see something great happen during my life. Something other than wars and recessions.
Republicans have been gutting NASA's research budgets.
Stay angtry at space!Love the content, space rockets are still Sci-Fi but we need the positive news...
Starship can deliver all the cargo on the slow in advance , Just he is this tech to move the crew
Keep in mind the faster you get going the more difficult it is for your craft to ram into dust and micro meteorites. A mote of dust is nothing, but hit at a certain percentage of light speed and you got kilo tons of blasts in the front end also.
Southern England? How about Texas and Florida! I missed it because of clouds though.
Music is 👌
They could pre-ship extra fuel and supplies before they sent explorers. That way they could make sure they had everything they needed arrived before they people landed. No unforeseen disasters because one of the necessary supply modules failed to make the trip intact. They could also take longer to get there vs a manned module.
Yes, pre-shipping supplies is quite easy too....
They can be sent by Ballistic Capture, which requires no arrival burn or engine of any kind once launched.
It can also be launched in a wider variety of launch windows, most of the year round.
Your gear is just waiting for you in orbit when you arrive.
But it takes around a year to get there so forward planning is required (as always in space missions)
How about an electromagnetic launcher on the moon? It's hard to do on earth, but a moon maglev launch would work great, I think.
Need to do an update on the development of Buzz Aldrins "magnetic plasma drive"... I know NASA made a scale prototype that worked... But haven't heard anything more. It seemed very promising.
Too bad. If promising, then OK. But "very" promising gets stolen by National Security. So sad.
Hmmm, this would be nice IF we manage to get enough energy to have the pulse rates be in hertz, instead of minutes per pulse, so something like 100hz or 100 pulses per second would be a nice start...
NASA will also be testing a newly developed anti-static drive, which has been described as a newly discovered force of physics.
Orion light!
YO EASE THE ANGRY PRON GEETAR BACKGROUND MUZAK
we already have the tech its called the TR3B
Uranium fission? Of course, what could go wrong 😑
Hey Angry, can you link the sources for these? Not that I don't believe you but I just googled neutron lasers and all I got was stuff about Warhammer 40K lol. Would love to read about how they are controlling the neutrons since they are electrically neutral they have previously been undirectable and travel in whatever direction they are traveling in until they hit something. Directable neutrons is a huge deal!!
Yeah like the VASIMR, you remember?
I recently read that vasimr only needs 210 million to get to space. That’s small change for nasa. Why can’t NASA get its bureaucratic blank together? Instead they waste so much time and money with all these other programs. They need to pick a plan, consolidate and go for it!
@@FilmsSilentNASA's budget is continually a second thought in Congress. Really seems like it doesn't matter who's in power, surprisingly. Make sure your representative in Congress knows NASA is a priority for you!
It has some similarities in overall shape (tube with magnetic nozzle with plasma in it), but the plasma generation is radically different. Also NASA not really interested in VASIMR anymore because other technologies like HALL thrusters improved enough to match many of it's performance goals, but have far lower mass, power needs and are simpler.
Radiation shielding with electromagnetic.
I wonder if the magnetic nozzle is just to direct the plasma, or if it is also used to accelerate the plasma.
A laser can be used to create neutrons via ablation of a neutron rich material, a powerful laser though. It may be better to have a neutron source with nanotubes guiding them to a concentration point. I do see Firstlights fusion concept as having an idea though but instead of using fusion materials using a fission core material instead.
Just generate a magnetic field around the ship.
Good day
Nice vid. Favorite part @ 2:06-2:07.
"Mars!"
I wish you would show your anger a bit more. Maybe a grunt or smashing something once in a while.
Thank you
I'll believe it when I see it .
You gotta remember...this is NASA we're talking about. They are Excellent at ideas and research.
But it's building the actual hardware, and the Software as well, that NASA falls short on. Now, if Elon
was to take the NASA research, build the actual hardware and develop the software....We'd HAVE something!
Yeah let’s approach that idea tentatively, I mean, is this the same Elon whose cares we’re just recalled because the gas pedal easily got stuck? Haha and he’ll never live down that fateful glass durability test.
Idk if Elon is going to keep his sanity.
Elon is quickly proving himself to be a crazy man who hid it really well.
If NASA was allowed to take any risks, had the budget to start things from scratch (avoiding the SLS problems), and wasn't subject to the whims of Congress, I suspect the USA would've made all of the milestones they hoped for. Trying to run NASA like a business is working out about as well as it would if the USA went to a pure mercenary defense strategy- yes, it's cheaper, but you can't trust the results.
@@soupstheman143 - It could be the one who just achieved 49 orbital launches in 2024 alone. He's capable but "off center". He has been developing a nuclear rocket since 2016 so I wouldn't count him out on this one. I think Musk will get people to mars before anyone else. As to Tesla, if you gave me one I would probably sell it to buy something else.
@@rocroc You can't exactly just ignore the engineering failures with the Cybertruck. That was something Elon himself specifically pushed through over the objections of Tesla's engineers. Why would the two companies be so different with the same guy at the top? It's because SpaceX has Elon for just PR.
Love to believe it. NASA is a jobs program now, results are incidental and may be thwarted if they go against that purpose.
I agree, NASA makes money on the 'appearance' of wanting to go to mars'.
NASA makes money on the 'appearance' of searching for life on mars.
Thats not true. Or, only true for their major project. But NASA has a lot more going. You can look for yourself. They've got a web page.
@@MichaelWinter-ss6lx Actions speak louder than web pages…
How long will it takes for China to duplicate the plasma pulse drive technology and then push the envelope much, much further ?
@@verypleasantguy About 20 hours after NASA as they are overrun with moles.
They could use software defined radio and AI to control the pulses through a signal.
This would always be my plan, if i were to create a mission to Mars. Create some sort of first stage with a more efficient form of propulsion (some form of nuclear propulsion, like fission or fusion, or something like this, as long as it (significantly) decreases the overall travel time), call it an MTS (or Mars Transfer Stage), and attach a (refueled ?) starship to it (which would become the second stage), to decrease the travel time, and in doing so, decrease the risk to the crew on board. Once in time, you manage to achieve some self sufficiency on mars, and are capable of producing propellant on Mars (or even better yet, Phobos), you could create a version that is specifically designed for transfer duty, transporting people to and from Mars, meaning you could have a variant that does no longer require heat-tiles or control-surfaces, that will dock with a Mars bound (and refueled) starship, that will transfer crew both to and from Mars.
It would be amazing...if only NASA could GET to space. Lot of good it does down here.
Every able-bodied person serving a lifetime prison sentence should be able to volunteer to go to Mars and work on building a habitat for future human permanent settlement.
I've been saying for years that NASA should be investing in Electrical propulsion systems, the technology exists and we just need to scale it up into a large propulsion bus with multiple nested HALL thruster paired with large Solar arrays, the Lunar Gateway already features such a system at the largest scale we have so far achived and it's massing something like 20 tons. The technology is on the cusp of being ready for 100+ ton payloads and manned flight out to near Earth Asteroids which are going be a stepping stone to any longer duration beyond CisLunar mission. The Specific Impulse/thrust tradeoff can even be tuned and can easily hit 5k range and can produce trips to Mars in the range of 6 months but with twice the payload of conventional rockets. This is far better then any nuclear thermal concept, and while this pulsed nuclear concept looks superior due to high thrust the development cost would be far far higher then just continuing Solar Electric propulsion untill it's atleast reasonably exhausted of potential. And this pulsed nuclear plasma concept requires many many electrical support systems similar to what electrical thrusters need so you would be laying the foundationf for it, once HALL thrusters are perfected the next move is to go for a en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetoplasmadynamic_thruster which ramps up the power and thrust levels still further.
Yes, this looks more like the kind of propulsion thats needed beyond the moon. But for interstellar (!) (5:00), its about 400 years too early. One step at a time.
What about the NASA/DARPA nuke motor? How far is that one? Planned orbital test in 2027. In England, there is also a company with an orbital test planned in the same year. A fusion engine, much more powerfull than the US nuke motors.
It would be very cool, if you gave short updates on these, every time you cover a new drive.
🚀🏴☠️🎸
There's a better version of Project Orion called Medusa. It's a pulsed fission sail. Instead of a heavy pusher plate with heavy shock absorbers, you use a lightweight thin sail to catch the energy after it's diffused enough to not need shock absorbers, so that it's a gentle tug instead of a sledgehammer blow. Then you get better thrust to weight without all the mass needed to absorb the explosive shockwaves.
Elon Musk don't need NASA approbation.
At u of t we are researching how to protect astronauts against radiation through genetic therapies
Is Orion really considered part of SLS or is it just a payload?
Great Video ! Going to Mars has been possible since 1980 ! Dr. Franklin Chang-Diaz (NASA did seven space walks) designed and built the VASIMR engine that needed the power of a 200 mega watt nuclear power plant ! The VASUMR engine has the best isp til Fusion Rocket Engines are built ! The engine is a plasma ion engine that can run at different power levels. Also the engine for the NASA designed "24-Hour Lunar Shuttle" (LEO to LLO) by Stan Borowski-NASA Glenn Research Center) is another great design for an engine to go to Mars and beyond ! tjl
Coool!
What does a 200 mega watt nuclear power plant weigh?
@@EveryoneWhoUsesThisTV Not much just a few thousand tons so VASIMIR will be actually slower than a chemical rocket if launched to mars due to terrible energy efficency of 40kW/N and heavy nuclear reactor (NASA Megapower nuclear reactor has a mass around 40 tons and can deliver 2Megawatts of power for comparsion)
Send optimus to set up base
The background music is a pain in the arse.
How do you stop it at - say- Mars ?
how would this ship slow down? guessing this is just a transit ship? they still need separate surface to space vehicle?
how about making your ship a giant ring ( like LHC) and spinning up the mass to a reasonably fast speed before ejecting it out?
Sorry if it sounds knitpicky Jordan, but I think technically flight in space between Earth and Mars should be called interplanetary space flight and flight in space between Earth's solar system and another star or star system interstellar space flight. I believe the VASIMR electro-magneto plasma drive that uses Argon gas or some other ionizable gas is able to maintain thrust considerably longer than this pulsed plasma drive, which would allow for acceleration based artificial gravity for a large portion of the trip, even if only at a fraction of earth G. Doesn't ad Astra say VASIMR could get a craft to Mars in about 40 days if sufficient electric current (from a nuclear reactor) were available? Multiple options are good though.
Their is no way that VASIMR could produce even a noticable acceleration inside a vessel even on thouse insane 40 day trip ideas, the acceleration would be in millimeters per second and the 'fraction' would have a denominator of 10,000 which is close enough to zero for all practical purposes of health.
While always optimistic about new technology and a bright future, gonna have to put this in the pile labeled: future fantasy
We need something more than wishful thinking.
A different version of a very large nuclear powered pogo stick🚀🤡.
Maybe they could play some kind of loud thumping music that synchronised with a plasma burst during the ride to Mars to hide the engine nose, the ultimate bass music experience.
At present, the best shielding know, is polystyrene, which contains sufficient pocket of Hydrogen to absorb cosmic ray energies. This could also be adapted from water carried for the crew. H2O.
About time 🙂
When will NASA be sending a probe up with this engine to test?
The designers need to create a prototype design first. Maybe 2030?
@@TheAngryAstronaut So they're going to talk it to death and never actually do it. Typical NASA bullshit!
Scaling such a technology is the only reason i think this may take decades...in plural, this is because a mars ship is definitely supposed to be gigantic, and gigantic not only in the tanks and the reactor but also the payload section to harbour humans for those months.... And that means making such a ship as big as the starshipor even way bigger. i still see the middle of the century a realistic timeline.... I still think starship is the only one that can do it in the next decade.
NASA's doing this?
Boeing isn't involved, are they?
If we could just make antigravity, moving through space would be a lot easier. But in the meantime...
Thats easy, and known for over 100 years. Only that material science still hasn't cought up yet.
100 kN of thrust continuous equals much more than that per pulse. What’s the plan to absorb the tremendous recoil forces that would be generated? That’s a lot of structure.
i mean, performance? This is never going to get rockets into orbit but probably extremely useful for interplanetary travel. Probably high requirements for power/electricity rather than fuels.
I've always thought that there should be a difference between getting to orbit and travel between objects in space.
Instead of thinking that this will replace the raptor, think about a larger transit vehicle where spacex can dock to. Even back and forth to the moon would probably be much more efficient with this
Seems like yet another good idea, EXCEPT, I don't like pusher plates. Anything that big that moves a lot and is subject to such tremendous forces becomes a highly vulnerable single point of failure. If it fails, and it will at some point, there's no way to repair it, when you are way out in space, and you are screwed.
I'm thinking that the trajectory of development of humanoid robots in 5 years time it would be far more advantageous to send first to develop and install infrastructure. Massive data can be collected for human travel to Mars at a later date. If possible what would be cost benefit between starship vs pulsed if no humans onboard
I didn't know that you need nuclear explosions to propel this kind of rockets. I thought nuclear fuel worked in same ways as regular rocket engines.
Only question is will really use it or will it just just end up another NASA toy on a shelf
Good topic please verify this tech is legitimate.
I assume you'd have to spin the ship around at the half way point, thrust facing the destination to slow down. Are the 106 days including the deceleration?
You do a thrust manoeuvre leaving LEO and another when arriving at Mars.
@@karlthemel2678 But you need the same amount of fuel you used to speed up ad you do to slow down. No? So wouldn't that mean having to decelerate midjourney? Otherwise, you'd need far more delta v to slow down if you wait until your close to Mars.
If we are serious about going to Mars it occurs to me that we should send Construction A.I robots first along with the life supports and food stuffs needed in advance. These highly intelligent machines including digging and excavators would construct the required habitat, labs as well as launch/landing pad facilities. A separate group of A.I would be assigned to water production/reclamation/power generation and agricultural formats i.e. farms for when the Astronauts finally arrive On the Martian Surface or alternatively, Subterranean facilities. Using conventional means such as the Apollo styled missions of the late sixties and early seventies will most likely be thrawt with too many risks and challenges even if as described by this, might I add, very impressive assessment on future Stella exploration in the human race's interim future. End.
Your welcome! Glad to be of service!
Alls, you have to do to beat radiation is generate a magnetic field strong enough to engulf the spacecraft.