A 1990s Dolby Surround Pro-Logic Setup (Using Hifi VHS) | IMNC
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- Back in the 90s, Dolby Surround in the home was quite a bit different to what we're accustomed to today. Discrete 5.1 audio has become extremely affordable, but not too long ago, 4 channel Dolby Surround was considered a high end statement. In this video, I chat about a typical late 80s / early 90s Dolby Surround Pro-Logic system working in conjunction with VHS Hifi. This may feel like an ancient dead format to some, but the sound quality still blows me away.
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Fun fact: VHS, due to nuances of how it was designed, if used in a specific way, can provide some of the best audio quality possible for any tape based medium. Granted, this is using the video track areas to store audio signals, but it's still usable, for whatever purpose someone might have for such.
Semi related, but always worth mentioning.
"Please be kind, rewind."
-Blockbuster Video
I'm so glad you finally made this video! I was really looking forward to this one. You were talking about this for ages in your vlogs. Great video, Tom!
Fond memories of a similar setup. The SP50 was already the second generation, the previous RV351 looked the same but came with the original chipset with a very poor channel separation. Pro logic improved the separation considerably and for a while the home theatre systems had better Dolby chipsets than many commercial cinema processors because cinemas would not invest to upgrade the surround circuit to newer PCB Revisions unless the old one was faulty.
Cool stuff. Only minor quibble: would have loved to have seen the back of the equipment
currently i use two 2-way Aiwa wood grain speakers for the left and right channels, another 3 way aiwa speaker for the center, and two sony surround speakers and a pioneer vsx-108 pro-logic reciever
A nostalgia, i’m 35 and when I was growing up, my dad purchased a 25” Panasonic Dolby Surround Pro.Logic tv, with four external Panasonic speakers and integrated stand. I if I could, would have it back in a min, it was paired up with a matching Panasonic vcr NV-HS650, side loading, jog shuttle the works. Fantastic all in early to mid 90’s charcoal ABS plastic awesome.
Didn't know Surround Sound existed on VHS. So people made home theaters based on VHS?
As for the speakers, it isn't hard to get some speaker drums and tweeters, and build yourself a set of matching speakers.
TGOTR Yeah you wouldn't believe what started on vhs. high definition originally came on vhs as vhs tape was the only soure that could store 50gbs of data. Check out D-VHS or D-THEATER
True, discreet surround started on laserdisc. Too bad it requires a pricey demodulator to actually use.
Nigel Lawton actually HD started on laserdisc.
It was called MUSE or Hi-Vision
surround sound started in the year 1940 when Walt Disney produced his film Fantasia he invented the surround sound that he called fantasound two theaters were chosen to have this installed in them for the movie there were reports of older people saying it was way too loud
Hope that your move went well. I have a late 90's Pioneer VSX Dolby ProLogic Receiver setup with my late 80's BSR Graphic Equalizer, I'm using a number of VCR-DVD recorders (Emerson & Magnavox) with my 90's Pioneer 3-way 12'' woofer front channel speakers with my 1975 JBL Decade L25's (2-way 10"" woofer with soft dome tweeters) for the rear surround sound speakers. It rocks! Because I don't have a sub-woofer, the rear speakers which process as low as 20Hz and are wonderful in attaining smooth mid-range response as well combined with the soft dome tweeters, really add big-room dimension even in the smallest environments. I recently purchased a 5.1 surround sound speaker system which is unpowered. My Pioneer cranks enough power to the system, but because it does not include a center channel on the receiver, I'm trying to determine the best way to achieve connecting the center channel speaker to my receiver - possibly cross-wiring the front left and right into the center channel, perhaps? I'd like to hear your suggestion(s) for accomplishing this. Thanks for posting. Yes- The Matrix is a great movie , but I have another favorite for surround sound (ProLogic anyway), and it's Pink Floyd "The Wall" - especially at the beginning just when the maid opens the door to his hotel room and the music just blast right out at you as he is discovered to have trashed the place!
I have a Yamaha ATS-1050 soundbar. While it CAN do discrete Dolby Digital, I keep it on Pro Logic II mode. I love Pro Logic II!!!
Awesome! Love old-school audio! :)
I have this kind of system when I was a kid 30 years ago a I love it so much it makes me love watching movie till this day.
I have a 5.1 system in my room with a 2015 denon s910w atmos receiver, but my living room still has a 1996 kenwood dolby pro logic system and it still sounds great.
We are basically the same age I'm 22. Got a lot of memories of VHS! My mum said I used to cry & get scared when a tape finished like when it went black and abit fuzzy! How embarrassing :) Anyway great video as always!
I have the same pre-amp, but mine is the Philips branded RV450. I've got it hooked into a set of late 90s Cambridge Soundworks 5.1 computer speakers via 3 RCA->3.5mm cables. Youd be surprised by how many devices that put out stereo actually downmix DPL. Even my motherboard has an option for it.
Now this is proper vintage, the way I like it!
+Daniël's Tech & Music Channel I know I have a few on here that'd prefer proper vintage 70s gear but this sort of era is right up my street for this sort of thing, glad you like it :)
@@ItsMyNaturalColour Dolby Surround Pro logic ii like Sonic Heroes and Sonic Adventure DX Director's cut and Dolby Pro logic ii Shadow the hedgehog and Sonic Riders. I see you have an Audio processor.
@@ItsMyNaturalColour I wanna see the setup with your speakers
great video Tom! At first I thought that the topic was going to be boring but little did I know :P Well done m8
As somewhat of a "home video snob", I can't imagine a day when you spent good time and money on a great home theater setup, just to have to watch a movie in low quality VHS. Blu Ray and 4K have really spoiled me.
So awesome Tom. I don't personally have a use for a set up like that, but it would be awesome to hear in person. I have 3 surround sound set ups. Being away at College, I have my Logitech Z906 set up with me. It does an amazing job with surround sound in my opinion and it's compact enough to have in a small living room. At my parents house, I have a Yamaha receiver with Harmon/Kardon speakers and subwoofer and that is actually a 7.2 channel set up. And then in my Attic, I have an Epson projector along with a Sony receiver and some Polk Audio full sized fronts, KLH rears and a Bose sub. Definitely the worst sounding out of the three set ups but still sounds great for what it is and considering I paid less than $100 for all the equipment apart from the projector. Anyways, awesome video as always, can't wait to see what happens in the new house!!!
+gmancarini1 Thanks so much for the comment! Really glad you like it. Your setups sound fantastic, really good stuff. I'm hoping to run 2 surround setups at my new place, both in the living room. One will be a modern 5.1 system for Blu Ray, streaming and gaming and the other will be what you see here or a very similar version of what you see here for older sources. I may have explained that in the video but anyways, I'll be making vids on this stuff so hopefully you'll catch those :)
Same VHS was a big part of my childhood my mom didnt buy a dvd player until 2005.
Great video Tom. I too love the VHS format; especially in terms of sound. 2 Movies spring to mind; Meat Loaf's 'To Hell and Back', and the Tina Turner autobiographical film "what's love got to do with it". The latter film in particular is not only an incredible movie but also features some incredible rock and blues music so if you don't have it I'd pick up a copy. I'm not sure if it supports Dolby, but either way it sounds stunning especially on VHS.
In terms of rear speakers, personally I'd grab a pair of Wharfedale Diamond 9.0s as they can be had new for next to nothing and have that vintage sound and the 'kick' you're looking for while also being very small. If you really wanted vintage, pretty much any of the Technics models from between 1980 and 1984 will give you the sound you're after and a sound that matches your SB-3030 fronts. Out of interest, will you be using the JVC A-X2 in the home hi-fi setup?
Apparently this technology can also be applied to audio cassette. Although it seems to be even rarer than Quadraphonic on 8track and Vinyl.
I used Dolby Pro Logic/II for all my VHS tapes but still i want a setup like yours
Dakota Watson why? Pro logic 2 is way better
a good pair of technics speakers are the technics SBHD50A' s there actually bookshelf speakers from the 90s (5'' drivers) but I own a pair and they sound fantastic, a lot of bass for the size and quite a good overall response, I think they'd sound quite nice as surround speakers.
they may be a little later like the early 00's with slightly smaller drivers, just now they sound great.
Was it possible to get 5.1 Dolby digital in this era or was everything being up mixed from stereo, when I was a kid my dad had a sick 5.1 system with a laserdisc player and a 60in rear projection TV. I thought that it was all native Dolby digital at the time, turns out laserdisc doesn't carry a 5.1 mix. BTW my dad was such a ball back then we didn't even own a VHS player
only piece u missing is Lazerdisca
I have an AKAI VS-G2DPL VCR which does everything all on its own, as it has a built-in Dolby Surround Pro Logic amplifier :-P
I just happened upon a laserdisc player, I need to get one of these retro setups.
+chad bullis That is totally awesome. A processor like this would go perfectly with a laserdisk player, those things had stunning audio. Get your Dolby on man!
That test tone reminds me of the THX testing on some vhs and dvds lol
Hi Tom. I know you want to stay with Technics as far as surround and what not, might I suggest looking into a set of vintage Bose Acoustimass 5 series 2 or 3 speakers? Either that or take a look at the vintage Acoustimass 3 series 2 or 3's. I would say go with the 5's because the cubes swivel to direct sound in whatever direction you want while the 3 only have single cubes. Plus having the included Acoustimass Bass Module will give you even more low end. Just a thought.
Love the vids and i cant wait for the uploads of your move!!
+Cameron Shoudt I've got a Vlog coming out over the next couple of days that'll explain the moving scenario :)
ItsMyNaturalColour Ok cant wait! And you have moved already right?
+Cameron Shoudt Unfortunately not, there've been some delays.
ItsMyNaturalColour Wow that sucks you have had tons of delays already,do you know what you will be moving now?
+Cameron Shoudt All will be clear in the Vlog, it'll be the same place, just another delay. Moving house isn't easy :/
im getting bored we need more IMNC like a really long one!!! :)
The remote control looks like some scientific calculator. :)
HI LOVE THIS OLD GEAR i got a old sony DVP-NS700V it's got all this in the unit. i don't have a vhs any more i did have a Dolby Surround like you got i used to have
a box that decode the hifi out ot the RF so you got hifi stereo this came out before hifi stereo vhs came out. i love the old hi-fi old gear i know all about the drop out
of the audio on the vhs lot of time it was the tapes there's alot of ace get around on ebay it's hard getting vhs units fixed
Is there a video where you talking about the history of this set?
Excellent presentation.
it might b cool to run your n64 and older consoles from this set up as well since some 64 games supported that style pro logic
+blindpcguy Excellent idea! I know that Donkey Kong 64 supports Dolby as well as a few others, there's a list somewhere online, I'll see what I can do about running N64 audio through this lot :)
yeah would be great and more aproperite for the time also had an idea for your rear channels get a splitter and hook the rears up to both systems or even all 4 main channels you c ould use speaker splitters and hook your main rears up to both systems oh and got a 1,1 mac pro off eBay today for dirt cheap
Even UA-cam supports Dolby Pro Logic
The pro logic test videos work great on my 1996 Kenwood pro logic stereo that we bought brand new when I was a baby
love these videos
+IQLOMAS Thanks!
hello Guys,I bought a vintage marantz SP50 and I have doubts about the connection.... I have a PM 80 and I have a marantz EQ551, how should I connect my SP50? the outputs of the SP are clear, but how should I connect the SP to my amplifier? in combination with the marantz EQ 551
greetings John
Try loudness button to boost bass and treble levels I use loudness all the time
I like your videos, but I wish you'd edit them a bit, 30 mins is a big commitment these days..
The worst part is the lack of B-roll. He talks about tons of features of the equipment without actually showing any of them.
Wow, I've never seen a Memorex amplifier or equalizer. I'm guessing it was probably rebadged equipment sold in either the UK or Europe in general.
Great video
Awesome 29th view 3rd like and SECOND COMMENT xD ha. Love these videos xD watching now :) VHS takes me back to xD :)
maybe you should add a subwoofer for deeper bass
What would sound better this or my Sony v444es receiver with klipsch kg4 fronts, klipsch ss.5 rears with Boston acoustics pv600 sub
How did the move go tom have you move yet
Be kind, Please rewind...
What models are his equipment? Like what's the model of his equipment
+AppleClassicGamer Processor is a Marantz SP50, EQ is an EQ-302 by Memorex, amplifier is a 404 series from Memorex. The VCR itself is an Akai VS-F510.
It would appear that every video you do is a video that you have wanted to do for a long time lol
out of 10 people I knew growing up only 1 person had a hifi vcr no one had them they were all mono in my school at home at friends houses I got a hifi vhs in 95 and I was the only one of my friends and family that had one they were not popular at all
I'm pretty sure I have some Memorex cassette tapes.
are you at your new house with jess yet??????????????
Maybe BeoVox CX50s? Or CX100?
Can you adjust the contrast? Cause as soon as I see your hand, it seems youre super white. Appreciate it, thanks.
Rear speakers? try the Technics HD-301 stuff, late 1990s small speakers with a nice neutral sound with what i think is a 5" driver, found some speakers on ebay:
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Technics-SB-HD310-Main-Stereo-Speakers-Bookshelf-Speakers-/252301596809?hash=item3abe58d889:g:qVkAAOSwe7BW0a2X
+AceVproductionsPC Found some more for £10 per pair
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TECHNICS-SPEAKERS-MODEL-NO-SB-HD310/262305374727?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140122125356%26meid%3D1aaa7ea89581446ba89c52f48929d7cd%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D252301596809
Should I upgrade my mid 2012 MacBook Pro to El Capitan. The specs are a core i5, 240gb SSD,and 16gb of ram. Thankyou
Yea I'm using it on a 2008 Mac Pro and a 2010 MacBook boot times are a little slower on my MacBook manly because it doesn't have an ssd yet, it runs perfectly on both machines without any problems your MacBook should run it fine considering mine is a core 2 due with 4gb of ram
+Luke Probert Thanks for replying I will be doing the upgrade in an hour or two. Thanks
+The Electronic Geek cool let me know how it goes
+Luke Probert It went great. Thanks
"So we are going to focus mainly on French VHS users" or something like that again eh?
If you want a easier way to play N64 gets a psp and install a emu and then you have a portable n64
+Jack Waterhouse In my experience it hasn't been very good, at least not on my system.
Tomcat12789 Mine is a bit laggy but on mario start but then it gets smooth
+Jack Waterhouse I only ever tried Zelda on mine so that might explain it.
Tomcat12789 Ahhh ok
I want a dedicated Surround Processor instead of my 7.1 Sony Reciever
and when VHS takes out Beta that was bad as Beta is better maybe your not that old to know what Beta is
the new stuff will always be trash to me i love the old stuff as i do have 2 amps i like marantz Pm-54 and the PM-65 then some new ones i dont use much but old will always be best
Tom how is the Mac Pro
+owen mason Mac Pro?
He sold it
and when VHS takes out Beta that was bad as Neta is better maybe your not that old to know what Beta is
yeah,i have 11.1 surround setup in my studio...... you are running ac3 not dolby cus your rear channels are coming out of both speakers.... also technics suck. that is all :P
I think someone may have missed the point of the video ;)
AC3 is a Dolby codec.
beta tspe correct?
+ is it Betamax the secret source ;)
thought it was a pile of xbox ones.
+me2456 guys i did the thing