What a wonderful film and an amazing craftsman. The pride he took in his work was so clear to see. I'm going through these Ken Hawley videos and loving each and every one. I did a little bit of research into Albert. Born 16th January 1895 (!) in Sheffield, a true Victorian. He married Elsie in 1922, they lived in Hillsborough, Sheffield and had one daughter. Elsie died in 1973. As Albert says, he 'retired' (at the age of 85!) to the seaside town of Bridlington and lived there for ten years. He died in 1989 at the age of 94. One technical thing that amzed/impressed me. As far as I used them in my engineering days, 'lump' hammers were a standard 4lb, but the hammer Albert was energetically wielding looked bigger than that. Amazing strength and precision combined - just wonderful to see and hear his work.
What an inspiration. My great grandfather was born 1899 and was a stone mason, a craft that is all but truly lost, and I did it for a summer and decided it was a craft I wouldn’t be keeping alive either. Into my 20s I was drawn to the forge, and today I do my best to keep the cutler’s tradition alive. If, when I die, I am half as good at the craft as this man, I will be overjoyed. Thank you for sharing.!
I still have a Sheffield 'Bowie ' knife in my workshop that finds numerous uses on an almost daily basis. Still has the original sheath it came in. It was a gift from a workmate 30 years ago and he'd had it for years also. Things made in Sheffield had a deserved name all around the world and this man is one of the reasons why.
That was truly fabulous! Absolutely wonderful to see one of the original craftsman, see how he worked and what he produced. Great to hear his comments about piece work and making 2 over to the dozen for "breakages". I wonder who benefitted from the extra 2?? And his comments about how he started as child and was apprenticed to his grandfather til he was 21. The blades he made were only little tiny ones, and one thought "Oh he's only used to making pen knife blades, that's probably all he could do". Then at the end he just blew me away with the two massive bowie knives and a skinning knife which looked a bit awkward, until he unfolded it!!! So he really knew his onions. Great shame it's all gone. Crafts like this still survive in various countries like Japan, but here......"not so much". I would have loved to take up the reigns from him and be apprenticed to him, but I was only 8 at the time. And didn't know he existed. although I wasn't far away in Solihull at the time. Ah well.
As an amateur knife / sword / axe maker I can confirm that this guy is incredibly good at his job - if I ever get to be 10% as good as him I'll be happy.
Astounding craftmanship. In his day he had to make 100's of blades all exactly the same. Try it sometime, making two item's the same ain't easy. Was surprised at the size of the hammer he used for the little blades. Another excellent video, thanks.
I knew a skilled man from Sheffield In his 50's, back in the 80's, he came down to London, to teach us welding, he came down because they were shutting all the works down, and demolishing every thing, he told me that the skilled people who had learnt their skills from generations of knowledge and experience, were trying to get jobs, just to survive, doing anything, and were going to end up in their graves with all their knowledge, what a waste.and shame. once " the workshop of the world " now the UK is mainly a nation of consumers of foreign stuff, made not to last., and with built in Obsolescence.. not good. thanks for the video, I remember a true story about a" little mester " who even the skilled japanese wanted to meet over here, to learn from him, but either the council, or the government would not le it happen, due to the " little mester " not having paper qualifications or something irrelevant, if you know anything about it, please fill me in, thanks.for doing a great job.
@@manchagojohnsonmanchago6367 With respect how old are you? If you've lived any time at all on this planet you'll know that loss of any culture is incremental & often only appreciated after decades have passed, by which time, it's too late. Ken Hawley fortunately recorded this passing at a time when home/DIY filming was expensive & rare. To quote Joni Mitchell - Don't it always seem to go, That you don't know what you've got, Till it's gone.
That’s the crap we have to deal with in society ow.. paper work and written qualifications.. They destroyed Britain and Europe killed itself! Falling on the sword of bureaucracy and over regulation..
I have total respect for this man and the thousands of other skilled workers who made this country great. So saddened by the loss of the craftsmanship and knowledge that we have lost.
I bought an 8 inch Bowie knife in a secondhand shop in Plymouth over 40 years ago, and sadly lost it ( stolen ) within 5 years. ...... I lived on a country estate, and it would chop down a branch without worrying about it. Maybe Albert Craven forged the blade! ....... What a Gentleman - a True Englishman!
Thank you so much for uploading this, as a metal worker (and Yorkshireman) who's made a few blades, very poorly in comparison to this gent, for the love of it, and a lover of blades and the ancient legacy of craftsmanship they represent since I got my first penknife as a lad, this little film is a real treat. Thanks again.
I first watched this video about a year ago and was fascinated by it - great, humble craftsman 🏅 In the last 5 minutes, he shows off some of his amazing work - I wonder how many missed that? I would have loved to meet him and learn some new skills 🔥 🗡 I will visit the museum and take a tour of Sheffield soon... Thanks for sharing, Gus
Lovely man , hard won craftsman skills , not happy with shoddy work . I really hope in these days of mediocre, second class products that some get inspired to learn by the sweat of their labour . Great film 👍🏴
He could write an instructional manual or a video of what’s important, where others would desire such to retain what he knows! If well made or well written, marketed or advertised, it should sell!
I would say that the small tail he forged in serves two purposes. 1. Something to hold on to when forging the tang to keep the tongs away from the hammer blows. 2. To hold the blade when heat treating the blade. The tongs act like heatsinks.
I saw him at Abbydale industrial museum in around 1976 and 1977 he said that the little tang was for the grinder to true up his wheel before grinding the blade. He used to give away blank blades, I watched the demonstrations several times on each visit and had a chat between demonstrations, he gave me his hammer to hold the handle of which fitted my hand perfectly, it was amazingly steerable. I still have the 2 blades made a year apart, you cannot see much difference between the little tails
These UA-cam knifemakers who toss about taking weeks to make a single knife would shit their pants at the idea of doing two gross in a day -- and that's 14 to every dozen in that two gross!
Sorry to bring this back from the dead. Does a gross in this video mean 144? That's uncanny. Even with a 16 hour day is there really enough time to forge that many blades?
@steve-ey3rx A Gross is 12 dozen, so normally taken to be 12x12=144. In this specific case, he says his customer initially defined a 'dozen' as 14 (to cover breakages!), so his 2 gross at that time would have been 2x12x14=336 blades in a day . Astonishing, isn't it?
@@clemclemett5312 Astonishing? I'd say "incredible". :) 336 blades in 12 hours is what, two and a half minutes per blade? Did we see him make any blades in two and a half minutes?
@@steve-ey3rx We saw him draw and refine a tang in six or so blows, and form a complete blade profile from the red hot steel blank including forging the bevel in literally a minute flat... Do you really think for the purposes of filming he was working anywhere close to full production speed? He said in his prime, when he was at the peak of his capacity those were his output numbers - there is hard proof of these numbers because that is how he was paid, by the numbers produced and provided to the customers who certainly would not have paid for anything they were not receiving...
@boatbeard7767 , yes, they were paid on " piece work", which meant that they were paid by the number of pieces that they produced. I did that too for a time, if you were quick and motivated you could make better money than some one working on flat pay, but you had to be on top speed day after day.
in iran the pen knives that were inspired by english pocket knives are still forged this way, as are the larger folding knives probably inspired by knives from the spanish and portugese
The large dredger is Gypsy Race which is also the name of a small river that runs into Bridlington harbour, I remember this boat from the 70s 80s when boat fishing there
@@iddqds Fishing boats at the time we used were all owned by three brothers, Arthur, Neil and Ted Newby and were called Three Brothers, Two Sisters, White Heather and Sportsman
Now the new age so called "blacksmith " smack some steel a few times so they can claim hand forged the spend 4 hours on a grinder shaping and polishing 😅
I assure you that every blade this fellow forged was sent down the line to another fellow who was just as proficient and skilled as a grinder and polisher. This craft is still very much alive, with new makers earning Mastersmith and Journeyman smith stamps every year. They spend many hours at a grinder. Also, there is a whole other methodology that is stock removal making. Some of the greatest knifemakers and knives in the world have never struck or felt a hammer blow.
Thank you so much for uploading this, as a metal worker (and Yorkshireman) who's made a few blades, very poorly in comparison to this gent, for the love of it, and a lover of blades and the ancient legacy of craftsmanship they represent since I got my first penknife as a lad, this little film is a real treat. Thanks again.
No gym bunny muscles😂 no tats(for tadgers)no unnecessary swearing, just a man doing skilled work 😊
What a wonderful film and an amazing craftsman. The pride he took in his work was so clear to see. I'm going through these Ken Hawley videos and loving each and every one.
I did a little bit of research into Albert.
Born 16th January 1895 (!) in Sheffield, a true Victorian. He married Elsie in 1922, they lived in Hillsborough, Sheffield and had one daughter. Elsie died in 1973. As Albert says, he 'retired' (at the age of 85!) to the seaside town of Bridlington and lived there for ten years. He died in 1989 at the age of 94.
One technical thing that amzed/impressed me. As far as I used them in my engineering days, 'lump' hammers were a standard 4lb, but the hammer Albert was energetically wielding looked bigger than that. Amazing strength and precision combined - just wonderful to see and hear his work.
I've just found them too. What an amazing resource. My son is at Uni in Sheffield, so different now, but the heritage is amazing.
i thought the same about that hammer. it looks really heavy yet he uses it in with seemingly no effort at all.
Fantastic, what skills we have lost over the years. True craftsmen
What an inspiration. My great grandfather was born 1899 and was a stone mason, a craft that is all but truly lost, and I did it for a summer and decided it was a craft I wouldn’t be keeping alive either.
Into my 20s I was drawn to the forge, and today I do my best to keep the cutler’s tradition alive. If, when I die, I am half as good at the craft as this man, I will be overjoyed.
Thank you for sharing.!
I still have a Sheffield 'Bowie ' knife in my workshop that finds numerous uses on an almost daily basis. Still has the original sheath it came in. It was a gift from a workmate 30 years ago and he'd had it for years also. Things made in Sheffield had a deserved name all around the world and this man is one of the reasons why.
Was that the “cowbowie” knife ?
That was truly fabulous! Absolutely wonderful to see one of the original craftsman, see how he worked and what he produced. Great to hear his comments about piece work and making 2 over to the dozen for "breakages". I wonder who benefitted from the extra 2?? And his comments about how he started as child and was apprenticed to his grandfather til he was 21. The blades he made were only little tiny ones, and one thought "Oh he's only used to making pen knife blades, that's probably all he could do". Then at the end he just blew me away with the two massive bowie knives and a skinning knife which looked a bit awkward, until he unfolded it!!! So he really knew his onions. Great shame it's all gone. Crafts like this still survive in various countries like Japan, but here......"not so much". I would have loved to take up the reigns from him and be apprenticed to him, but I was only 8 at the time. And didn't know he existed. although I wasn't far away in Solihull at the time. Ah well.
As an amateur knife / sword / axe maker I can confirm that this guy is incredibly good at his job - if I ever get to be 10% as good as him I'll be happy.
Now there's a fellow that knew his craft. Respect.
This guy is just one of many amazing craftsmen who made Britain great !
And for decades now the political class who have no skills have been destroying it.
Astounding craftmanship. In his day he had to make 100's of blades all exactly the same. Try it sometime, making two item's the same ain't easy. Was surprised at the size of the hammer he used for the little blades. Another excellent video, thanks.
I knew a skilled man from Sheffield In his 50's, back in the 80's, he came down to London, to teach us welding, he came down because they were shutting all the works down, and demolishing every thing, he told me that the skilled people who had learnt their skills from generations of knowledge and experience, were trying to get jobs, just to survive, doing anything, and were going to end up in their graves with all their knowledge, what a waste.and shame.
once " the workshop of the world "
now the UK is mainly a nation of consumers of foreign stuff, made not to last., and with built in Obsolescence.. not good.
thanks for the video,
I remember a true story about a" little mester " who even the skilled japanese wanted to meet over here, to learn from him, but either the council, or the government would not le it happen, due to the " little mester " not having paper qualifications or something irrelevant, if you know anything about it, please fill me in, thanks.for doing a great job.
your society was weak and it lack interest in its own culture.
@@manchagojohnsonmanchago6367 With respect how old are you? If you've lived any time at all on this planet you'll know that loss of any culture is incremental & often only appreciated after decades have passed, by which time, it's too late. Ken Hawley fortunately recorded this passing at a time when home/DIY filming was expensive & rare. To quote Joni Mitchell - Don't it always seem to go,
That you don't know what you've got, Till it's gone.
That’s the crap we have to deal with in society ow.. paper work and written qualifications.. They destroyed Britain and Europe killed itself! Falling on the sword of bureaucracy and over regulation..
Beautiful film and man thanks for showing
I have total respect for this man and the thousands of other skilled workers who made this country great.
So saddened by the loss of the craftsmanship and knowledge that we have lost.
A pleasure to watch, thank you for posting
I bought an 8 inch Bowie knife in a secondhand shop in Plymouth over 40 years ago, and sadly lost it ( stolen ) within 5 years. ...... I lived on a country estate, and it would chop down a branch without worrying about it.
Maybe Albert Craven forged the blade! ....... What a Gentleman - a True Englishman!
Thank you for sharing this treasure of a man.
I could’ve watched about another couple of hours of that. Very interesting stuff.
amazing work
Another very interesting video, thank you very much.
Glad you enjoyed it
He makes it look easy , respect !
Thank you so much for uploading this, as a metal worker (and Yorkshireman) who's made a few blades, very poorly in comparison to this gent, for the love of it, and a lover of blades and the ancient legacy of craftsmanship they represent since I got my first penknife as a lad, this little film is a real treat. Thanks again.
Amazing man. Amazing film. Thank you.
Amazing work!!
My mate was a highly skilled forger but it got him 14 years in Walton.
I first watched this video about a year ago and was fascinated by it - great, humble craftsman 🏅
In the last 5 minutes, he shows off some of his amazing work - I wonder how many missed that?
I would have loved to meet him and learn some new skills 🔥 🗡
I will visit the museum and take a tour of Sheffield soon...
Thanks for sharing,
Gus
What a lovely talented man 👍
Beeindruckend.
Schrecklich dass diese Fähigkeiten nicht als "Nationale Schätze " weitergepflegt wurden und verloren gegangen sind.
Lovely man , hard won craftsman skills , not happy with shoddy work .
I really hope in these days of mediocre, second class products that some get inspired to learn by the sweat of their labour . Great film 👍🏴
Trained at Joseph Rogers?? Rock n roll. Respect
hard man!
Awesome!
This was a man.
Great to see.
Awesome
He could write an instructional manual or a video of what’s important, where others would desire such to retain what he knows! If well made or well written, marketed or advertised, it should sell!
Wow !
forging even ricasso is truly smthing
Does anyone know why he makes that final little "tail" when he's constructing the tang?
I would say that the small tail he forged in serves two purposes.
1. Something to hold on to when forging the tang to keep the tongs away from the hammer blows.
2. To hold the blade when heat treating the blade. The tongs act like heatsinks.
I saw him at Abbydale industrial museum in around 1976 and 1977 he said that the little tang was for the grinder to true up his wheel before grinding the blade. He used to give away blank blades, I watched the demonstrations several times on each visit and had a chat between demonstrations, he gave me his hammer to hold the handle of which fitted my hand perfectly, it was amazingly steerable. I still have the 2 blades made a year apart, you cannot see much difference between the little tails
i now know why it's called the tang, it's the sound!
These UA-cam knifemakers who toss about taking weeks to make a single knife would shit their pants at the idea of doing two gross in a day -- and that's 14 to every dozen in that two gross!
Sorry to bring this back from the dead. Does a gross in this video mean 144? That's uncanny. Even with a 16 hour day is there really enough time to forge that many blades?
@steve-ey3rx A Gross is 12 dozen, so normally taken to be 12x12=144. In this specific case, he says his customer initially defined a 'dozen' as 14 (to cover breakages!), so his 2 gross at that time would have been 2x12x14=336 blades in a day . Astonishing, isn't it?
@@clemclemett5312 Astonishing? I'd say "incredible". :)
336 blades in 12 hours is what, two and a half minutes per blade? Did we see him make any blades in two and a half minutes?
@@steve-ey3rx We saw him draw and refine a tang in six or so blows, and form a complete blade profile from the red hot steel blank including forging the bevel in literally a minute flat... Do you really think for the purposes of filming he was working anywhere close to full production speed? He said in his prime, when he was at the peak of his capacity those were his output numbers - there is hard proof of these numbers because that is how he was paid, by the numbers produced and provided to the customers who certainly would not have paid for anything they were not receiving...
@boatbeard7767 , yes, they were paid on " piece work", which meant that they were paid by the number of pieces that they produced. I did that too for a time, if you were quick and motivated you could make better money than some one working on flat pay, but you had to be on top speed day after day.
🙏🙏🙏
What year was this taken. Did i miss it
The film was made in 1979 and you didn’t miss it if you meant by that being on tv. It was made as part of a series only available on video
Computers and robots are killing humanity.
It is so sad that all these crafts are lost for ever due to machines.
There now are many bladesmiths working in uk again,it's a revived craft.
There is a market for hand forged knives again
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This is one for Will Steltor or Alec Steel
Does anyone still forge blades like this? Most are laser/water cut from rolls of steel, CNC ground and tumble polished.
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in iran the pen knives that were inspired by english pocket knives are still forged this way, as are the larger folding knives probably inspired by knives from the spanish and portugese
I would have liked to have forged with this good man.
anyone can read any of the boats names?
The large dredger is Gypsy Race which is also the name of a small river that runs into Bridlington harbour, I remember this boat from the 70s 80s when boat fishing there
@@MrUmpleby thank you
@@iddqds Fishing boats at the time we used were all owned by three brothers, Arthur, Neil and Ted Newby and were called Three Brothers, Two Sisters, White Heather and Sportsman
@@MrUmpleby great info. did any of them appeared here?
@@iddqds Sadly not !
Sad part is that he only enjoyed 10 years of retirement. 😢
They are folders
Как же он без гриндера и Rex 121 выживал
haha well in the past they used a water wheel and files and scrapers. the water wheel is grinding as wlel as a modern machine
What a shame their expertise has died with them.
Schrecklich
Now the new age so called "blacksmith " smack some steel a few times so they can claim hand forged the spend 4 hours on a grinder shaping and polishing 😅
I assure you that every blade this fellow forged was sent down the line to another fellow who was just as proficient and skilled as a grinder and polisher. This craft is still very much alive, with new makers earning Mastersmith and Journeyman smith stamps every year. They spend many hours at a grinder. Also, there is a whole other methodology that is stock removal making. Some of the greatest knifemakers and knives in the world have never struck or felt a hammer blow.
He was a forger?
That two gross.
Thank you so much for uploading this, as a metal worker (and Yorkshireman) who's made a few blades, very poorly in comparison to this gent, for the love of it, and a lover of blades and the ancient legacy of craftsmanship they represent since I got my first penknife as a lad, this little film is a real treat. Thanks again.