This is so typical of Elias. He's been pinning after longing for and flirting with Lari every chance he gets, and now that he's got what he's wanted and done the dirty deed, he's not happy. He does this all the time. This kid seriously can't be happy. I'm coming to the realization that Elias really isn't a generally happy person. I think that we all missed that realization, because in the early days with Lari he was rightfully not happy because of the way Lari was treating him. So we kinda gave him a pass on it. But now, there's no reason for this constant moodiness and unhappiness with him. Its definitely wearing Miska down. I'm just getting tired of seeing his sour face. Cheer up Elias and be happy.
I am not Elias biggest fan for exactly the reasons you state that he needs to cheer up as he has not got a bad life but there was a subtle difference for a change in the conversation with Ida, he admitted he is crazy for Lari but he has Kalle. Maybe he is now apprehensive if he leaves Miska will Lari leave Kalle as he virtually pushed Lari away and in to the arms of kalle. IMO leaving Miska should be regardless of having Lari's arms to run in to but because you are not in love with someone to marry them and string them along.
Josaphine Roche Its not that I'm trying to be negative. I'm actually a big fan of the show and the two main leads. I just find it a bit hard to care for characters who are constantly moody depressed. It would be one thing if there were real reasons for his unhappiness, but there's not. The truth is that Elias has it all. For one, he lives in a loving home and has a dad who loves and accept's him completely. He has a great boy friend who actually love's him and is always thinking of him. He's got good caring and supportive friends who are always by his side. lastly, he has a bag full of money, no one knows about other Miska. What more could this kid want. I really don't think that Elias really knows what he wants. I'm certain that he really is still in love with Lari, and Lari Elias. I'm not sure Lari knows how to make his way back to Elias. I think for Lari, its an issue of not feeling worthy of Elias for all the things he's done to him. That's why he never makes the first move, its always Elias who initiates his feelings and presses into Lari. On the other hand, the only thing that's holding Elias back is most likely Miska. Clearly, Elias has no problems making advances on Lari. So going after Lari is not a problem for him. His problem is what to do about Miska. But most likely they will drag this story line on for some time before we actually see these two guys get back together. So in the mean time, we can expect a pretty lame story line and dumb plot devices until then.
TheWindyCity agree with virtually all...I just wish Lari would feel worthy (or the writers make him feel worthy) as he is better- look at the way he is helping Elias family even though Sebastian treats him like dirt and he is struggling to save his own family. I always get a little confused as I thought both made fundamental mistakes when together but apologies are always one way. Anyway, I like Kalle and Lari but am ok with Elias and Lari too but not keen on all this cheating.. again and again from both Elias and Lari- ever heard of talking!
I'm happy that Elias realises that Lari has Kalle. He's not stuck in his own little world like I was afraid he could be. I know many people don't like Elias anymore. He's still my dearest, totally imperfect, always making mistakes and acting selfishly when it comes to love. Even like this, I like him very much. But here I have a question. She transported them in broad daylight in a busy city? How in the world did that happen? Thank you MissFin for your awesome work!
Lari you win the underwear competition, yours were more imaginative. Goodness that bed is noisy and squeeky, hope the walls are thick in those apartments.
Josaphine Roche We have not seen how that crazy took Lari, we hope to see it in a flashback. I think she has been done helping at least three people, I do not think that two are enough for lifting Lari. in italiano Non abbiamo visto come quella pazza ha preso Lari, speriamo di vederlo in un flashback. Penso che lei si sia fatta aiutare da almeno tre persone, non credo che due bastino per sollevare Lari.
Only Me Elias' decision method: eenie-meenie-miney-moe my mother said to pick the very best one O-U-T spells out goes he! The director cut that from the script; some things need to remain a mystery. LOL
I have got to see how Marianna has done this. Sedating Lari and Elias is one thing but she moved them by herself, with no one seeing, how? Elias maybe, but the man mountain that is Lari? Even superheroes and magicians would marvel at that!
That reunion is far away from what i wanted. No real tenderness between them, just a mistake and the feeling of doing something wrong. Maybe that kidnapping will work for the best for them, even if all this has been written in an unbelievable way! I wait for a real conversation between the two and the expression of their true feelings!
Because it is not real love Elias and Lari BOTH need to move on they have a co dependent relationship and that is unhealthy. They are better off separate from one another.
Elias' Story I'm with you! My feeling is that both Elias and Lari feel more gratitude (and some guilt, because both Kalle and Miska have been so helpful and generous with our boys.) than love for their respective boyfriends. It would be difficult for anyone to dislike Miska. Not only is he gorgeous, but he's so sweet and generous to a fault. Kalle is more reserved but also a sweet, generous guy. With Kalle, however, one could could almost say "yes" to being his bf out of pity. He's a pretty sad guy. Maybe the happy ending will put Kalle and Miska together since they're. about to get to know each other better as they (presumably) hunt for their bf's together.They seem much more suited to each other than with Larias.
I was so sad to see the lack of interaction between the boys after their moment - i had hoped they would admit their love for one another, and hated that Elias did not respond to Lari while in bed! I felt bad for Lari... like he just keeps getting "used" by the men in his life!
That dinner....awkward! Kalle, no jet lag, no tan- when you were talking about India did you mean the Indian restaurant Ravintola Maharaja in Helsinki (it is one of my fav restaurants when I visit Helsinki as a side note)
Elias' Story I know a few people like that but they do tan in really hot countries, not just as much as us sun worshippers. I am sure if kalle had really been to India he would tan a bit more than that (note to make up...use spray tan in these story lines). Where did you live that was warm? I was serious about my recommendation of Ravintola Maharaja, amazing food. Have you been?
Elias' Story I am fairer than you probably and also find it difficult to tan, when I go to the Mediterranean I tan but not much but I have been to India and tanned- OK not as much as my friends I travelled with but you do tan. This is a Finnish soap yes, I keep forgetting as it is small details like that that the British audience would notice and if they say they are going somewhere hot they would be sprayed tanned in make-up (and I'm not going to say which soap but have worked on a British soap in post production), the British audience are a killer for continuity and detail. Also, another thing you will not find in all British soaps (except Hollyoaks which only plays a song at the beginning) is no music. Unless there is a scene and the radio is on or something you never get music coming from nowhere as it is hard to sell that to a British audience so obviously there are many cultural differences.
I tried to avoid the spoilers, but knew this was happening because of the spoilers in comments on earlier episodes, and not under the heading of spoilers. Anyway, I'll take a break from reading comments, as I'd like to go back to being surprised. Thanks for the upload.
Think that comment may have been removed but caught it too, keep commenting and not reading is all I can say- these comment pages are seeming shorter now-a-days and your comments, whether agree or disagree make sense..if that makes sense
Josaphine Roche Sure, that makes sense. If we start from different assumptions or different plausible interpretations of events, we can logically reach different conclusions. Both our comments will make sense, even though we can't both be right. We could, of course, both be wrong. ㋡
I also hate spoilers and hope discussions along that line stay in the "Future" posting by MissFin. For other shows, I skip the "next time . . ." clips. If I am predicting the future, it is most probably speculation since the writers only give us enough to keep it interesting.
It's good to see Lari & Elias at the end getting to spend more uninterrupted, private time together, while keeping their hands off each other. Who knew they could exercise such restraint? Seriously, I have to remind myself that the golden boys are protected by being essential to the show. In the real world, Marianna could get hit by a car, and if not found within a few days, the boys could die from renal failure caused by dehydration.
on another side note, if she keeps them chained up for days, how are they going to go to the toilet. Yes she can hand feed them, give them drinking water but going to the toilet would be an interesting one
sabinasabina2010 Exactly, and also since there are no windows, the room would soon become a Gaskammer. Not to mention the fact that, if the chains are too short, the boys can not even fuck to console themselves. in italiano Esattamente, ed inoltre non essendoci finestre, la stanza diventerebbe presto una Gaskammer. Senza parlare del fatto che, se le catene sono troppo corte, i ragazzi non possono neanche scopare per consolarsi.
sabinasabina2010 isapostolos Messing your pants, though irritating, is not likely to be fatal. There's probably ventilation despite no windows. Otherwise, lack of oxygen will kill them faster than lack of water. Of course they can't get their hands on each other. That was half my point. ;) She tasers two guys and transports them to this bomb shelter or whatever and chains them up. So unrealistic!
alwaysuseless I think the greatest torture is that of does not have sex! lol. in italiano Penso che la tortura maggiore sia quella di non poter scopare!
alwaysuseless said that already. I bet when Lari and Elias are finally found yes they will be unconscious from lack of oxygen with sweat on forehead but perfect hair and clothes still fresh...
Uh oh, twists and turns. I so wished we would see Lari and Elias realizing their love and not hide it, but it's the soap land... so I hope something good becomes of this business with Marianna! :)
As I commented in the last part I bet they both have sex, regret it, Elias will still be engaged and Lari still be with Kalle (just cheaters and liars) and both going around in circles with their partners and each other and so it is . I am not the best fan of this storyline but at least Marianna has done what quite a few have wanted to do, lock them in in a room together so they could talk deeply and honestly (instead of this shallow level talking, followed by cheating and then back to the land of Denial). However, I was thinking more of when Christian and Oliver in Chrolli got locked in by Jessica....not this lol
What if she managed to get Lari's help to carry Elias? After she used the teaser on Elias, she could have called Lari and told him that Elias had fainted in the park. He would have believed her. Then, she could have convinced Lari to go to her house (is that her house or some other place?) and, being already there, Marianna used the teaser on Lari as well. I think this a possible way to explain how she could have transported both (and especially Lari).
Purple Person I think that Lari would take him to the hospital rather than at home of the Mad! in italiano Penso che Lari l'avrebbe portato in ospedale piuttosto che a casa della Pazza!
isapostolos I also think that if Lari saw Elias unconscious he would have preferred to take him to the hospital, but if that place is in her house, I believe that with some words she could have convinced Lari to take him there. She is his cousin and he doesn't seem to be very convinced that she is as crazy as Elias thinks. Also, if that place is not in her house, she could have made him do that by threatening him with something (if the had a teaser in her bag she could also have another type of gun). I think this theory is more plausible than having her carrying two young men by herself (even if she is very tall and athletic) and that even if she is violent against her cousin, that is coherent with her mental state (she would want to get rid of anyone investigating her, regardless of being family or not).
Purple Person We do not know where is the soundproof room. It seems strange that it is at the home of Heidi, because, otherwise, the Mad where she sleeps? Somehow Heidi would notice something. I do not know if the Insane also has a gun, if she has only the taser, Lari certainly would hit her immediately, even if she is his cousin. He may think that, now, she is fine, but he knows very well that she was crazy. Maybe she has some accomplices, although it would be dangerous for her that other people know what she does. We'll see if the authors will deign to let us know the things, perhaps with a flashback, or if they leave everything to the our imagination! in italiano Noi non sappiamo dov'è la stanza insonorizzata. Mi sembra strano che sia a casa di Heidi, anche perché, altrimenti, la Pazza dove dorme? In qualche modo Heidi si accorgerebbe di qualcosa. Non so se la Folle abbia anche una pistola, se ha solo il taser, Lari sicuramente l'avrebbe colpita immediatamente, anche se è sua cugina. Lui può pensare che, adesso, lei stia bene, ma sa benissimo che era pazza. Forse lei ha dei complici, anche se sarebbe pericoloso per lei che altre persone sappiano cosa fa. Vedremo se gli autori si degneranno di farci sapere le cose, magari con un flashback, oppure se loro lasciano tutto alla nostra immaginazione!
The padded walls, chains/handcuffs, and tazer suggest lots of preplanning on Marianna's part. And I admit she's physically fit and looks capable of lifting more than most. I think she drugged them as well as tazering them because a tazer doesn't knock you out like that. But she took them in broad daylight with people around and they would both be dead weight and Lari is a big guy. I don't care how strong you are, that's a lot of dead weight to be carrying around in public during the day. She must have had something to help her move them like a car.
oh you mention the chain and padded room.. very interesting.. that takes extensive preparation and shows a premeditated move and long term planning.. doesnt look like it could be her basement or anything.. she's clearly mocking up the premise of a "padded" room to revenge Lari and Elias calling her crazy.. she inverted her reality and made them the "crazy ones"..where could she get such a room or perhaps rented a BDSM chamber? LOL
Joe Shoeman Well I just assumed she made the room padded so no one could hear them yell for help. I had a thought after posting my other comment. That she actually set the room up for Heidi, but since the boys got in the way. She put them in there instead.
Thanks MissF!!!! Well, Marianna did one thing right. She made sure Larias can't get away from each other, at least for a little while... Yay!!!!!,.... sorry the crackpot kidnapped them and all, but for now,...Larias is together. Larias, forever!!!!
I've been hooked up with this series but hmmm...u should try watching aaron story line in emmerdale too.. but let me warn you..prepare your eyes.. anyways.. tnx for uploading..
Elias is to immature for me. Maybe he should see a shrink about his issues and constant mood changes. Either he is bipolar or the most narcissistic person ever. Were Kalle and Lari broken up? If not all these people are cheaters.
Oh noooo. This started out so wonderfully (for the boys), and just got progressively worse! What a horrible was to end the clip.....especially as we embark on the holiday season - it should be joyous and uplifting - even in soap opera landia!! : (
I'm not going to pick apart the plot points as some have done in the comments but I am going to say HOLY SHEE-IT, after a few days of rather boring goings on with the story things are really beginning to "heat up" !!
***** Plus Lari went to find out what all the noise was in the next room. No other distractions here. Bit like when they first did it, when Lari was with Ida.
Does Lari's "it's better if we stay mum about it" mean that they would sleep with each other again? and they are not even trying to stop this? I doubt Lari's anger on the dinner is because of the shane and struggle between Kalle and Elias rather than not being able to travel. Kalle looks very attractive and handsome (at least to me) when he suddenly shows up in the kitchen. Does Kalle have a fan website?
i'm a big fan of elias and lari however the fist scene it took me half an hour to recover from the shock like jzzzzzzzzzzzzesssss someone call for help and they way elias respond to lari when he said are you okay i was like f*cking shitttttttt no he's not lol that must have been awkward and the k return holly heaven i need a moment to take all this in
was kind of disappointed in the make out scene there's been scenes where its way more passionate, but cant wait for the next scenes, Thanks for subbing :)
This has taken a sharp turn. I think this Soap has "jumped the shark" like the show "Happy Days" did with Fonzi waterskiing and jumping over a shark in the water. I will continue to watch - but I feel this will become a bit tiresome.
Quite ridiculous. Unless having the mental condition Marianna has gives you spiritual powers to teleport a sleeping body I don'tknow how she managed to carry them both without and accomplice. Also, have they been chained together for the storyline sake? Why is Elias still thinking of Miska if he in love with Lari, like after the slept together??
Elias wavers because he's not certain if Lari is reliable. They're both acting like virtually having an extramarital affair. Miska was the rock mooring Elias, while Lari just so happens to be incapable of taking care of anybody, hardly himself. Lari is pinning on Kalle to take care of him. It's a mess. But there is a physical infatuation. They've been "proverbially" chained together for the storyline sake, lol. The chains symbolize it.
Joe Shoeman The two boys have never stopped to love each other. Only Elias has denied to himself, for a long time, that still loved Lari. Now he's finally realizing this, and seeing that Lari has become as he wanted it to be, has decided to return with him. Unfortunately Lari, also because of Elias, began a relationship with Kalle. Relationship which fortunately is just beginning, and already suspended, because of the behavior of Kalle. Actually Lari does not cheating Kalle, it is he who would go on to see how it would go with Kalle. Also because he is not yet certain that Elias has finally decided to leave Miska. For these reasons did not want to correspond fully to Elias, but then, evidently, decided that it was better to go ahead, like yesterday. Elias wants to return with Lari, but has not yet decided how to dissolve the engagement to Miska, in fact after sleeping together, is stunned and takes off the ring, while sliding it back then. A very unkind behavior towards Lari, and the situation is exactly the opposite of their first fuck at the beginning, although for entirely different reasons. Lari is now definitely more mature than Elias, and is able to take care of himself and of Elias. To him Elias can to moor very firmly, just that finally decides completely that Lari is certainly the love of his life. And I think that, after their captivity, he will surely understand it, this is the function of this stratagem. in italiano I due ragazzi non hanno mai cessato di amarsi. Solo Elias ha negato a se stesso, per lungo tempo, che continuava ad amare Lari. Adesso sta, finalmente, rendendosi conto di questo, e vedendo che Lari è diventato come lui voleva che fosse, ha deciso di ritornare insieme a lui. Purtroppo Lari, anche per colpa di Elias, ha iniziato una relazione con Kalle. Relazione che per fortuna è solo all'inizio, e già sospesa, a causa del comportamento di Kalle. In realtà Lari non sta tradendo Kalle, è lui che vorrebbe proseguire per vedere come potrebbe andare con Kalle. Anche perché non è ancora sicuro che Elias sia finalmente deciso a lasciare Miska. Per queste ragioni non aveva voluto corrispondere pienamente a Elias, ma poi, evidentemente, ha deciso che forse era meglio andare avanti, come ieri. Elias vuole ritornare con Lari, ma non ha ancora deciso come fare per sciogliere il fidanzamento con Miska, infatti dopo aver dormito insieme, è attonito e si toglie l'anello, pur infilandolo nuovamente poi. Un comportamento molto poco gentile nei confronti di Lari, e la situazione è esattamente opposta alla loro prima scopata all'inizio, anche se per motivi completamente diversi. Lari è adesso sicuramente più maturo di Elias, ed è in grado di prendersi cura di se stesso e di Elias. A lui Elias può ormeggiarsi molto saldamente, basta che finalmente decida completamente che Lari è certamente l'amore della sua vita. E penso che, dopo la loro prigionia, lui lo avrà capito sicuramente, è questa la funzione di questo stratagemma.
Marco Zanlorenzi Lari has always known, and Elias is already well advanced. The problem is that chained as they are, will be a little difficult to put into practice! ha ha. in italiano Lari l'ha sempre saputo, ed Elias è già a buon punto. Il problema è che incatenati come sono, sarà un poco difficile metterlo in pratica! ha ha.
isapostolos I will watch again, but, at first glance, I think that long chain between them will allow "action." Moving clothing (we have to put them back to look as if nothing happened) should be possible with the assistance of your "partner," even if their respective hands were chained closer. If Marianna did not care if they died, she would have chained them in a manner that would not allow so much as a kiss; as we head towards the Winter break, is is nice to see Marianna does not seem to have have plans for a quick death. Terrorizing the boys might be the initial goal; with an ultimate goal of slow and painful death.
I hope that the authors want to show us what happens during the captivity, in the next week. I would not want they to leave us in anguish, during Christmas, as after the shooting, for the entire summer! in italiano Spero che gli autori vogliano mostrarci cosa succede durante la prigionia, nella prossima settimana. Non vorrei che loro ci lascino nell'angoscia durante il Natale, come dopo la sparatoria, per tutta l'estate!
Life got a bit hectic for me last spring, so I didn't watch this or Chrolli or others from when Moose was 'broken' into until around September / October time. I only had to wait seconds while the episodes each side of the summer break. I'm planning on being quite busy myself over Christmas so hopefully the time will pass quickly.
Okay my earlier prediction wasn't exactly right but I suppose I was close. Something did happen to Elias. But now Lari too. I want to say my reasons for their 'hookup' earlier but I don't want to offend anyone else's opinion so I will keep my thoughts to myself.
Marianna should have just kidnapped Elias instead of the both of them. With both of the guys suddenly missing without a trace, it is sure to raise some suspicions from their beloveds. At least if she had just taken Elias, it might have taken a little more time for people to catch on that Elias disappeared. The only person that might have noticed is Sebastian. Everyone else is in their own world for some reason or another. I doubt that Lari would have noticed for awhile. He might have took the time to repair with his boyfriend. Since Miska was not spending time with Elias, he might not have taken note of the fact that his bf was gone. What do you guys think?
I think Ismo may notice Lari's disappearance. I get the impression he's looking out for Lari like a father would, knowing that he wasn't always there for Kalle at a similar time in his life.
***** That's to assume that Lari would have noticed that Elias was missing. As it turns out, Lari has a lot to process right now. That should be the first thing that he worries about, not his friend's sudden disappearance. Having Elias go missing for a little would be the perfect angst, seeing as though not too many people are fans of Elias atm, I doubt any of his friends would have realized he was gone.
Elias' Story kalle come home is fast hope when the true come out kalle can understand that lari was hurt and forgive him.like when kalle call lari. Is boyfriend.
So Mariannna is very dangerous who would stop her. Is larias understand they should return to eachother? will Miska and Kalle get closer? Who help Mariana? she couldn't take 2 guys by herself.. there was car there...
to lari and elias ... i really hopeless with this ... i'm happy that both of you kissed again but i know it's not too long ... from now i only support miska and elias ... i start to leave lari ... i hate lari forever ... MISKA and ELIAS will be amazing couple
@Pau R - Exactly ! You have hit the right nail ! Perhaps this would give some thoughts to the Director. Most intelligent observatin with such illogical script
HOLY MOSES!!! When did the anorexic turn into a full figured gal...to put it mildly? Never mind the fact that the story line took a ridiculous turn...tased in the middle of the day on a public street and ....what...dragged to the trunk of a car by a crazy woman, taken to some dump to be chained up until....uh......... Dumb.
Can this be any more unrealistic. I understand writer have to drae out the suspense but really this secretivness of Elias with his dad is stupid. Even if Sebastian knew the truth, they still dont have enough evidence to out Marriana away. but they coild work together at getting more to stop her.
in brod day light she did this with no one seeing a thing i would reely like to know how she pull that of. and now lari and elias is going to get even closer that before beause in a time like this there true feeling will come out they'll have to face the truff.
Picked up on Elias' story recently and am already hooked :p Please keep on posting and translating.
This is so typical of Elias. He's been pinning after longing for and flirting with Lari every chance he gets, and now that he's got what he's wanted and done the dirty deed, he's not happy. He does this all the time.
This kid seriously can't be happy. I'm coming to the realization that Elias really isn't a generally happy person. I think that we all missed that realization, because in the early days with Lari he was rightfully not happy because of the way Lari was treating him. So we kinda gave him a pass on it.
But now, there's no reason for this constant moodiness and unhappiness with him. Its definitely wearing Miska down. I'm just getting tired of seeing his sour face. Cheer up Elias and be happy.
I am not Elias biggest fan for exactly the reasons you state that he needs to cheer up as he has not got a bad life but there was a subtle difference for a change in the conversation with Ida, he admitted he is crazy for Lari but he has Kalle. Maybe he is now apprehensive if he leaves Miska will Lari leave Kalle as he virtually pushed Lari away and in to the arms of kalle. IMO leaving Miska should be regardless of having Lari's arms to run in to but because you are not in love with someone to marry them and string them along.
Josaphine Roche Its not that I'm trying to be negative. I'm actually a big fan of the show and the two main leads. I just find it a bit hard to care for characters who are constantly moody depressed. It would be one thing if there were real reasons for his unhappiness, but there's not.
The truth is that Elias has it all. For one, he lives in a loving home and has a dad who loves and accept's him completely. He has a great boy friend who actually love's him and is always thinking of him. He's got good caring and supportive friends who are always by his side. lastly, he has a bag full of money, no one knows about other Miska. What more could this kid want.
I really don't think that Elias really knows what he wants. I'm certain that he really is still in love with Lari, and Lari Elias. I'm not sure Lari knows how to make his way back to Elias. I think for Lari, its an issue of not feeling worthy of Elias for all the things he's done to him. That's why he never makes the first move, its always Elias who initiates his feelings and presses into Lari.
On the other hand, the only thing that's holding Elias back is most likely Miska. Clearly, Elias has no problems making advances on Lari. So going after Lari is not a problem for him. His problem is what to do about Miska.
But most likely they will drag this story line on for some time before we actually see these two guys get back together. So in the mean time, we can expect a pretty lame story line and dumb plot devices until then.
TheWindyCity agree with virtually all...I just wish Lari would feel worthy (or the writers make him feel worthy) as he is better- look at the way he is helping Elias family even though Sebastian treats him like dirt and he is struggling to save his own family. I always get a little confused as I thought both made fundamental mistakes when together but apologies are always one way. Anyway, I like Kalle and Lari but am ok with Elias and Lari too but not keen on all this cheating.. again and again from both Elias and Lari- ever heard of talking!
He still kinda cheated on Miska? And accused him of cheating? Like wha-
Elias something that is dear to you is a cat, an aunt, a teddy bear. something that drives you crazy is a lover.
Josaphine Roche And who would not become crazy for having Lari as a lover?
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E chi non diventerebbe pazzo per avere Lari come amante?
isapostolos what is the saying 'once you go Lari you can't go back' ...well it is something close lol
Holy!!! How the hell did she carry Lari and Elias!?! Can't wait to see whats next.
The last scene confirms it, someone quickly go and wake up Ida, she is dreaming again.
I'm happy that Elias realises that Lari has Kalle. He's not stuck in his own little world like I was afraid he could be.
I know many people don't like Elias anymore. He's still my dearest, totally imperfect, always making mistakes and acting selfishly when it comes to love. Even like this, I like him very much.
But here I have a question. She transported them in broad daylight in a busy city? How in the world did that happen?
Thank you MissFin for your awesome work!
Lari you win the underwear competition, yours were more imaginative. Goodness that bed is noisy and squeeky, hope the walls are thick in those apartments.
I hope so too. Elias is a little horny thing. When with Lari he can't wait to get naked. I wonder who's the top in their love story?
How did a girl manage to lift and carry two young men, one of whom is large and heavy?
I just asked the same thing and with no one noticing? Come on, Lari is a man mountain!
Actually, with the right technique it's doable.
17orca7 in broad daylight????? In a park?????
Elias' Story doable but not buying it and they would be dead weight too, that is even harder...just chalking it down to soapland again
Josaphine Roche We have not seen how that crazy took Lari, we hope to see it in a flashback. I think she has been done helping at least three people, I do not think that two are enough for lifting Lari.
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Non abbiamo visto come quella pazza ha preso Lari, speriamo di vederlo in un flashback. Penso che lei si sia fatta aiutare da almeno tre persone, non credo che due bastino per sollevare Lari.
And the engagement ring goes back on- throw my hands up in the air
Only Me Elias' decision method: eenie-meenie-miney-moe my mother said to pick the very best one O-U-T spells out goes he! The director cut that from the script; some things need to remain a mystery. LOL
I have got to see how Marianna has done this. Sedating Lari and Elias is one thing but she moved them by herself, with no one seeing, how? Elias maybe, but the man mountain that is Lari? Even superheroes and magicians would marvel at that!
That reunion is far away from what i wanted. No real tenderness between them, just a mistake and the feeling of doing something wrong. Maybe that kidnapping will work for the best for them, even if all this has been written in an unbelievable way! I wait for a real conversation between the two and the expression of their true feelings!
Maybe both Lari and Elias realize they are NOT meant to be together!
Because it is not real love Elias and Lari BOTH need to move on they have a co dependent relationship and that is unhealthy. They are better off separate from one another.
Elias' Story I'm with you! My feeling is that both Elias and Lari feel more gratitude (and some guilt, because both Kalle and Miska have been so helpful and generous with our boys.) than love for their respective boyfriends. It would be difficult for anyone to dislike Miska. Not only is he gorgeous, but he's so sweet and generous to a fault. Kalle is more reserved but also a sweet, generous guy. With Kalle, however, one could could almost say "yes" to being his bf out of pity. He's a pretty sad guy. Maybe the happy ending will put Kalle and Miska together since they're. about to get to know each other better as they (presumably) hunt for their bf's together.They seem much more suited to each other than with Larias.
I was so sad to see the lack of interaction between the boys after their moment - i had hoped they would admit their love for one another, and hated that Elias did not respond to Lari while in bed! I felt bad for Lari... like he just keeps getting "used" by the men in his life!
I completely agree, like a haphazard rushed sex act without emotional implications..
The show's cinematography and just the use of filming and editing techniques are improving over the episodes, you can really notice it
That dinner....awkward! Kalle, no jet lag, no tan- when you were talking about India did you mean the Indian restaurant Ravintola Maharaja in Helsinki (it is one of my fav restaurants when I visit Helsinki as a side note)
LOL you're so funny!
crying with laughter
Elias' Story I know a few people like that but they do tan in really hot countries, not just as much as us sun worshippers. I am sure if kalle had really been to India he would tan a bit more than that (note to make up...use spray tan in these story lines). Where did you live that was warm? I was serious about my recommendation of Ravintola Maharaja, amazing food. Have you been?
Elias' Story I am fairer than you probably and also find it difficult to tan, when I go to the Mediterranean I tan but not much but I have been to India and tanned- OK not as much as my friends I travelled with but you do tan. This is a Finnish soap yes, I keep forgetting as it is small details like that that the British audience would notice and if they say they are going somewhere hot they would be sprayed tanned in make-up (and I'm not going to say which soap but have worked on a British soap in post production), the British audience are a killer for continuity and detail. Also, another thing you will not find in all British soaps (except Hollyoaks which only plays a song at the beginning) is no music. Unless there is a scene and the radio is on or something you never get music coming from nowhere as it is hard to sell that to a British audience so obviously there are many cultural differences.
Elias' Story totally agree with you.some people cannot become tan no matter how many hours they spend under sun!
I tried to avoid the spoilers, but knew this was happening because of the spoilers in comments on earlier episodes, and not under the heading of spoilers. Anyway, I'll take a break from reading comments, as I'd like to go back to being surprised. Thanks for the upload.
Think that comment may have been removed but caught it too, keep commenting and not reading is all I can say- these comment pages are seeming shorter now-a-days and your comments, whether agree or disagree make sense..if that makes sense
Josaphine Roche Sure, that makes sense. If we start from different assumptions or different plausible interpretations of events, we can logically reach different conclusions. Both our comments will make sense, even though we can't both be right. We could, of course, both be wrong. ㋡
alwaysuseless lol..yeah it is that saying, "Two wrongs don't make a right." Look we agree! keep commenting.
I also hate spoilers and hope discussions along that line stay in the "Future" posting by MissFin. For other shows, I skip the "next time . . ." clips.
If I am predicting the future, it is most probably speculation since the writers only give us enough to keep it interesting.
Awwnnn They are so cute walking together
WOW this is shocking you usually do not see women being violent towards men on television! Marianna is crazy!
coocoo crazy
I have seen that many times. It’s not a miracle.
I hope this is the beginning of the end for Marianna.I couldn't stand her before she kidnapped Elias and Lari,now I really want her put away forever.
It's good to see Lari & Elias at the end getting to spend more uninterrupted, private time together, while keeping their hands off each other. Who knew they could exercise such restraint?
Seriously, I have to remind myself that the golden boys are protected by being essential to the show. In the real world, Marianna could get hit by a car, and if not found within a few days, the boys could die from renal failure caused by dehydration.
on another side note, if she keeps them chained up for days, how are they going to go to the toilet. Yes she can hand feed them, give them drinking water but going to the toilet would be an interesting one
sabinasabina2010 Exactly, and also since there are no windows, the room would soon become a Gaskammer. Not to mention the fact that, if the chains are too short, the boys can not even fuck to console themselves.
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Esattamente, ed inoltre non essendoci finestre, la stanza diventerebbe presto una Gaskammer. Senza parlare del fatto che, se le catene sono troppo corte, i ragazzi non possono neanche scopare per consolarsi.
sabinasabina2010 isapostolos Messing your pants, though irritating, is not likely to be fatal. There's probably ventilation despite no windows. Otherwise, lack of oxygen will kill them faster than lack of water. Of course they can't get their hands on each other. That was half my point. ;) She tasers two guys and transports them to this bomb shelter or whatever and chains them up. So unrealistic!
alwaysuseless I think the greatest torture is that of does not have sex! lol.
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Penso che la tortura maggiore sia quella di non poter scopare!
alwaysuseless said that already. I bet when Lari and Elias are finally found yes they will be unconscious from lack of oxygen with sweat on forehead but perfect hair and clothes still fresh...
I'm quite satisfied with the direction in this episode, seems like the writers may have found their ground again! Good for them!
Thank you Miss Fin
From San Francisco
SHIIIIT, Marianna made this storyline thrilling.
wow...my jaw drop for the entire video
OMG soo many feelingssss :O
Uh oh, twists and turns. I so wished we would see Lari and Elias realizing their love and not hide it, but it's the soap land... so I hope something good becomes of this business with Marianna! :)
Great way to start the weekend!
this Marianna girl is your typical crazy soap opera girl who can make your blood boil. 😂
As I commented in the last part I bet they both have sex, regret it, Elias will still be engaged and Lari still be with Kalle (just cheaters and liars) and both going around in circles with their partners and each other and so it is . I am not the best fan of this storyline but at least Marianna has done what quite a few have wanted to do, lock them in in a room together so they could talk deeply and honestly (instead of this shallow level talking, followed by cheating and then back to the land of Denial). However, I was thinking more of when Christian and Oliver in Chrolli got locked in by Jessica....not this lol
someone looks confused like, the look that you see when you know you love them but not sure how you want to take things in.
Is this the part where Miska & Kalle start to fall in love???
What if she managed to get Lari's help to carry Elias? After she used the teaser on Elias, she could have called Lari and told him that Elias had fainted in the park. He would have believed her. Then, she could have convinced Lari to go to her house (is that her house or some other place?) and, being already there, Marianna used the teaser on Lari as well. I think this a possible way to explain how she could have transported both (and especially Lari).
Purple Person I think that Lari would take him to the hospital rather than at home of the Mad!
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Penso che Lari l'avrebbe portato in ospedale piuttosto che a casa della Pazza!
isapostolos I also think that if Lari saw Elias unconscious he would have preferred to take him to the hospital, but if that place is in her house, I believe that with some words she could have convinced Lari to take him there. She is his cousin and he doesn't seem to be very convinced that she is as crazy as Elias thinks. Also, if that place is not in her house, she could have made him do that by threatening him with something (if the had a teaser in her bag she could also have another type of gun). I think this theory is more plausible than having her carrying two young men by herself (even if she is very tall and athletic) and that even if she is violent against her cousin, that is coherent with her mental state (she would want to get rid of anyone investigating her, regardless of being family or not).
Purple Person We do not know where is the soundproof room. It seems strange that it is at the home of Heidi, because, otherwise, the Mad where she sleeps? Somehow Heidi would notice something. I do not know if the Insane also has a gun, if she has only the taser, Lari certainly would hit her immediately, even if she is his cousin. He may think that, now, she is fine, but he knows very well that she was crazy. Maybe she has some accomplices, although it would be dangerous for her that other people know what she does. We'll see if the authors will deign to let us know the things, perhaps with a flashback, or if they leave everything to the our imagination!
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Noi non sappiamo dov'è la stanza insonorizzata. Mi sembra strano che sia a casa di Heidi, anche perché, altrimenti, la Pazza dove dorme? In qualche modo Heidi si accorgerebbe di qualcosa. Non so se la Folle abbia anche una pistola, se ha solo il taser, Lari sicuramente l'avrebbe colpita immediatamente, anche se è sua cugina. Lui può pensare che, adesso, lei stia bene, ma sa benissimo che era pazza. Forse lei ha dei complici, anche se sarebbe pericoloso per lei che altre persone sappiano cosa fa. Vedremo se gli autori si degneranno di farci sapere le cose, magari con un flashback, oppure se loro lasciano tutto alla nostra immaginazione!
Wow, what a sudden twist! Never expected the kidnapping.
The padded walls, chains/handcuffs, and tazer suggest lots of preplanning on Marianna's part. And I admit she's physically fit and looks capable of lifting more than most. I think she drugged them as well as tazering them because a tazer doesn't knock you out like that. But she took them in broad daylight with people around and they would both be dead weight and Lari is a big guy. I don't care how strong you are, that's a lot of dead weight to be carrying around in public during the day. She must have had something to help her move them like a car.
oh you mention the chain and padded room.. very interesting.. that takes extensive preparation and shows a premeditated move and long term planning.. doesnt look like it could be her basement or anything.. she's clearly mocking up the premise of a "padded" room to revenge Lari and Elias calling her crazy.. she inverted her reality and made them the "crazy ones"..where could she get such a room or perhaps rented a BDSM chamber? LOL
Joe Shoeman Well I just assumed she made the room padded so no one could hear them yell for help. I had a thought after posting my other comment. That she actually set the room up for Heidi, but since the boys got in the way. She put them in there instead.
eleanor7
ah Heidi, right, that's what she's had it done prior
Yess! Kalle's back!!!
I missed that beautiful face 😍
Thanks MissF!!!!
Well, Marianna did one thing right. She made
sure Larias can't get away from each other, at least for
a little while... Yay!!!!!,.... sorry the crackpot kidnapped
them and all, but for now,...Larias is together. Larias, forever!!!!
is that a morningwood u got there @6:19 elias?
I think lari should tell kella what happens he may understanding and forgive lari
I've been hooked up with this series but hmmm...u should try watching aaron story line in emmerdale too..
but let me warn you..prepare your eyes..
anyways.. tnx for uploading..
It is hard to resist an ex all that knowledge of each other's bodies and comfort.
COOL
SO in love with Lari. Why there is no such a quality gay guy in Holland? lol
That awkward moment when you realized that they were just going for a kiss then all of a sudden it became a rush of sex.
Elias is to immature for me. Maybe he should see a shrink about his issues and constant mood changes. Either he is bipolar or the most narcissistic person ever. Were Kalle and Lari broken up? If not all these people are cheaters.
I love lari and elias I do I've followed them all along but I feel SO BAD for kale...he is such a nice guy and he deserves so much more :(
I want Lari and Elias to get back together.
Gentlemen was it worth it? A moment of passion and then the aftermath. Oh Snap!
Oh noooo. This started out so wonderfully (for the boys), and just got progressively worse! What a horrible was to end the clip.....especially as we embark on the holiday season - it should be joyous and uplifting - even in soap opera landia!! : (
What happened to episode 270, I can't miss this.....
I guess IIda has official beaten anorexia xD
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thanks a lot miss finn , but the writers are doing a really bad job right now!!!!! :-(
I'm crazy, who cares? Thank you Mariana! I know it! I'm so happy! ahahahhahahahaahaaaa
YESSSSS they finally did it again ... another nail in the coffin that used to be E&M
I'm not going to pick apart the plot points as some have done in the comments but I am going to say HOLY SHEE-IT, after a few days of rather boring goings on with the story things are really beginning to "heat up" !!
I had my blood start running as well!
Joe Shoeman Yeah Joe and they can't use the excuse that they were drunk this time.
***** Plus Lari went to find out what all the noise was in the next room. No other distractions here. Bit like when they first did it, when Lari was with Ida.
Does Lari's "it's better if we stay mum about it" mean that they would sleep with each other again? and they are not even trying to stop this? I doubt Lari's anger on the dinner is because of the shane and struggle between Kalle and Elias rather than not being able to travel. Kalle looks very attractive and handsome (at least to me) when he suddenly shows up in the kitchen. Does Kalle have a fan website?
Ugh, go away Kalle!
I hate it when bad guys are too smart.
recipe called dingri dolma , never had though but its a mix veg(curry) of paneer and mushroom .
i'm a big fan of elias and lari however the fist scene it took me half an hour to recover from the shock like jzzzzzzzzzzzzesssss someone call for help and they way elias respond to lari when he said are you okay i was like f*cking shitttttttt no he's not lol that must have been awkward and the k return holly heaven i need a moment to take all this in
was kind of disappointed in the make out scene there's been scenes where its way more passionate, but cant wait for the next scenes, Thanks for subbing :)
omg i was waiting for this but it looks a little awkward for them right now lol
This has taken a sharp turn. I think this Soap has "jumped the shark" like the show "Happy Days" did with Fonzi waterskiing and jumping over a shark in the water. I will continue to watch - but I feel this will become a bit tiresome.
Quite ridiculous. Unless having the mental condition Marianna has gives you spiritual powers to teleport a sleeping body I don'tknow how she managed to carry them both without and accomplice. Also, have they been chained together for the storyline sake? Why is Elias still thinking of Miska if he in love with Lari, like after the slept together??
Elias wavers because he's not certain if Lari is reliable. They're both acting like virtually having an extramarital affair. Miska was the rock mooring Elias, while Lari just so happens to be incapable of taking care of anybody, hardly himself. Lari is pinning on Kalle to take care of him. It's a mess. But there is a physical infatuation. They've been "proverbially" chained together for the storyline sake, lol. The chains symbolize it.
Joe Shoeman The two boys have never stopped to love each other. Only Elias has denied to himself, for a long time, that still loved Lari. Now he's finally realizing this, and seeing that Lari has become as he wanted it to be, has decided to return with him. Unfortunately Lari, also because of Elias, began a relationship with Kalle. Relationship which fortunately is just beginning, and already suspended, because of the behavior of Kalle. Actually Lari does not cheating Kalle, it is he who would go on to see how it would go with Kalle. Also because he is not yet certain that Elias has finally decided to leave Miska. For these reasons did not want to correspond fully to Elias, but then, evidently, decided that it was better to go ahead, like yesterday. Elias wants to return with Lari, but has not yet decided how to dissolve the engagement to Miska, in fact after sleeping together, is stunned and takes off the ring, while sliding it back then. A very unkind behavior towards Lari, and the situation is exactly the opposite of their first fuck at the beginning, although for entirely different reasons. Lari is now definitely more mature than Elias, and is able to take care of himself and of Elias. To him Elias can to moor very firmly, just that finally decides completely that Lari is certainly the love of his life.
And I think that, after their captivity, he will surely understand it, this is the function of this stratagem.
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I due ragazzi non hanno mai cessato di amarsi. Solo Elias ha negato a se stesso, per lungo tempo, che continuava ad amare Lari. Adesso sta, finalmente, rendendosi conto di questo, e vedendo che Lari è diventato come lui voleva che fosse, ha deciso di ritornare insieme a lui. Purtroppo Lari, anche per colpa di Elias, ha iniziato una relazione con Kalle. Relazione che per fortuna è solo all'inizio, e già sospesa, a causa del comportamento di Kalle. In realtà Lari non sta tradendo Kalle, è lui che vorrebbe proseguire per vedere come potrebbe andare con Kalle. Anche perché non è ancora sicuro che Elias sia finalmente deciso a lasciare Miska. Per queste ragioni non aveva voluto corrispondere pienamente a Elias, ma poi, evidentemente, ha deciso che forse era meglio andare avanti, come ieri. Elias vuole ritornare con Lari, ma non ha ancora deciso come fare per sciogliere il fidanzamento con Miska, infatti dopo aver dormito insieme, è attonito e si toglie l'anello, pur infilandolo nuovamente poi. Un comportamento molto poco gentile nei confronti di Lari, e la situazione è esattamente opposta alla loro prima scopata all'inizio, anche se per motivi completamente diversi. Lari è adesso sicuramente più maturo di Elias, ed è in grado di prendersi cura di se stesso e di Elias. A lui Elias può ormeggiarsi molto saldamente, basta che finalmente decida completamente che Lari è certamente l'amore della sua vita. E penso che, dopo la loro prigionia, lui lo avrà capito sicuramente, è questa la funzione di questo stratagemma.
isapostolos
yes the hesitation of sliding the ring back and forth is unnerving .. brews so much doubt in the audience mind
Larias is back. But im sad this time. I want more of Kalle and Lari.. 😱
Finally!!! It just took forever for it to happen again.
How could she manage to take hostage two fully grown men all by herself in broad daylight is this for real? Or am I in the twilight zone?
Credo che la prigionia farà capire a Lari e Elias i veri sentimenti che provano !
Marco Zanlorenzi Lari has always known, and Elias is already well advanced. The problem is that chained as they are, will be a little difficult to put into practice! ha ha.
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Lari l'ha sempre saputo, ed Elias è già a buon punto. Il problema è che incatenati come sono, sarà un poco difficile metterlo in pratica! ha ha.
isapostolos I will watch again, but, at first glance, I think that long chain between them will allow "action." Moving clothing (we have to put them back to look as if nothing happened) should be possible with the assistance of your "partner," even if their respective hands were chained closer. If Marianna did not care if they died, she would have chained them in a manner that would not allow so much as a kiss; as we head towards the Winter break, is is nice to see Marianna does not seem to have have plans for a quick death. Terrorizing the boys might be the initial goal; with an ultimate goal of slow and painful death.
She did this to Elias outside in the public, and how did she manage to drag him to the room???
I hope that the authors want to show us what happens during the captivity, in the next week. I would not want they to leave us in anguish, during Christmas, as after the shooting, for the entire summer!
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Spero che gli autori vogliano mostrarci cosa succede durante la prigionia, nella prossima settimana. Non vorrei che loro ci lascino nell'angoscia durante il Natale, come dopo la sparatoria, per tutta l'estate!
Life got a bit hectic for me last spring, so I didn't watch this or Chrolli or others from when Moose was 'broken' into until around September / October time. I only had to wait seconds while the episodes each side of the summer break. I'm planning on being quite busy myself over Christmas so hopefully the time will pass quickly.
Whoa that Iida girl is pretty bug :/ but still better than anorex
Okay my earlier prediction wasn't exactly right but I suppose I was close. Something did happen to Elias. But now Lari too. I want to say my reasons for their 'hookup' earlier but I don't want to offend anyone else's opinion so I will keep my thoughts to myself.
Oh shyt!! 😮😮😮
This two when they are alone together, seems that they can't keep their clothes on. I knew it !!!
Marianna should have just kidnapped Elias instead of the both of them. With both of the guys suddenly missing without a trace, it is sure to raise some suspicions from their beloveds. At least if she had just taken Elias, it might have taken a little more time for people to catch on that Elias disappeared. The only person that might have noticed is Sebastian. Everyone else is in their own world for some reason or another.
I doubt that Lari would have noticed for awhile. He might have took the time to repair with his boyfriend. Since Miska was not spending time with Elias, he might not have taken note of the fact that his bf was gone.
What do you guys think?
I think Ismo may notice Lari's disappearance. I get the impression he's looking out for Lari like a father would, knowing that he wasn't always there for Kalle at a similar time in his life.
***** That's to assume that Lari would have noticed that Elias was missing. As it turns out, Lari has a lot to process right now. That should be the first thing that he worries about, not his friend's sudden disappearance.
Having Elias go missing for a little would be the perfect angst, seeing as though not too many people are fans of Elias atm, I doubt any of his friends would have realized he was gone.
ugh elias is always absorbing everyone into his problems....even oliver ffs
Where's the 272 story of elias?
Elias' Story what did Marianna do to Sergei again?
Elias' Story kalle come home is fast hope when the true come out kalle can understand that lari was hurt and forgive him.like when kalle call lari. Is boyfriend.
Elias' Story thanks, I think this storyline is so out there that I am actually starting to enjoy it in a weird sense...that was a missing link
Elias' Story Josaphine Roche Did Marianna pretend to be Heidi? Surely, the Treatment Center would not allow the accuser to visit the accused.
Alvin Simon Really this soap's logic has long gone out the window. thought the same as you. In the words of Lari 'whatever'
I swear i cant look them in the eyes always have to stop
chain and locked up together....but still TOGETHER...somebody please lil oliver a memo,miska who
So Mariannna is very dangerous who would stop her. Is larias understand they should return to eachother? will Miska and Kalle get closer? Who help Mariana? she couldn't take 2 guys by herself.. there was car there...
to lari and elias ... i really hopeless with this ... i'm happy that both of you kissed again but i know it's not too long ... from now i only support miska and elias ... i start to leave lari ... i hate lari forever ... MISKA and ELIAS will be amazing couple
What's this about Ismo and a cat?!
Now Lari and Elias are chained together forever, like their enduring love. Who writes this crap?
oh hell no that girl is cra cra
@Pau R - Exactly ! You have hit the right nail ! Perhaps this would give some thoughts to the Director. Most intelligent observatin with such illogical script
HOLY MOSES!!! When did the anorexic turn into a full figured gal...to put it mildly?
Never mind the fact that the story line took a ridiculous turn...tased in the middle of the day on a public street and ....what...dragged to the trunk of a car by a crazy woman, taken to some dump to be chained up until....uh......... Dumb.
Can they undress themselves romantically and sensually? No? Okay. It's just that they always look like they're late for something.
To be honest, I'm glad when I see they have been handcuffed!
Look like they can be together, again
Can this be any more unrealistic. I understand writer have to drae out the suspense but really this secretivness of Elias with his dad is stupid. Even if Sebastian knew the truth, they still dont have enough evidence to out Marriana away. but they coild work together at getting more to stop her.
No! No! No! Lari is tondamn good for Elias.
in brod day light she did this with no one seeing a thing i would reely like to know how she pull that of. and now lari and elias is going to get even closer that before beause in a time like this there true feeling will come out they'll have to face the truff.
This is getting really weird. But in a good way...
Is it now a comedy?? It didn't make me laugh at all. If it is a soap opera, one of the worst. They are playing with our intelligence.
wow look at that real cheater , you did great.
Whoa is the girl who plays Ida pregnant or is she retaining fluid she looks all puffy?
Ida, no more anorexia disorder, apparently...
Why this went this way?:-(
4.34 Oliver kattoo suoraan kameraan xd
Wow that would be idiotic
WTF!
I mean, why not, right?!
Hitaan bulil niinku bingoo eka me holetta sanetta kingo
well I have been right about Elias all along he is burning up for Lari All this time now it feels more real
at least they r together...?