Absolutely awesome cable tray install Tom (and Harry), getting it looking right and neat always takes time and shows pride in your work. Looking forward to further videos for this job, current situation depending obviously!
Hi watched many of your videos, I was a self employed Electrician in the North East before I retired, I live in Thailand now and keep my hand in helping others, you would not believe how bad the electrics are here. You have a very entertaining way of showing others. I would recommend anyone to retrain an an Electrician I did when I was 40 then set up my own business and never looked back, I’ve worked all over Europe doing electrical work. Thanks for your entertainment. I still miss it.
That looks amazing so far Tom. Hopefully you can get back to it soon enough and keep busy doing something in the mean time to stay sane. As a self employed spark myself I feel for our industry worldwide right now. We just don't do well being idle for long, it's in our nature. Coming from the US I just love seeing how electrical work varies from country to country. One of my bucket list things is to intern in Europe somewhere, perhaps the UK? I think that would be so interesting. So far I've done a spot of electrical work in Brazil, Belize, Mexico, and Canada and it's so different everywhere. So much safety instruction is needed in 3 of those 4, bet you can guess which ones... Seriously it's a wonder more don't die worldwide in our trade and the ones that interact with our work.
Every manufacturer of medium gauge tray I've ever used the joiners are always hooked over the outside!! Never seen any tray joiners on the inside and I've been in the game over 30 years lol!
Lovely tray work, no wonder people leave it on show.Hope you left drain holes in the bottom of those trunking runs at panel. I know of a huge shopping centre that was closed for ages when fire brigade water for minor fire ran into trunking and filled board.
Best part of being an electrician is installing steel containment, at the end of each day I stood staring at it like it was Picasso especially when you have basket, tray and trunking in the mix 👌
As someone who does sound system installs, please don't just install a contactor to kill power to the DJ booth if the fire alarm is triggered. Not only can this be damaging to some equipment but it will send a nice big pop through to the amplifiers which, as well as being damaging to the connected speakers, could cause panic in the event of a real emergency. Instead look at using something like this which acts as a sound level limiter (which the venue may well require to meet their licence terms) and a priority interface so that when triggered by the fire alarm it fades down the programme music level whilst enabling a priority microphone so that safety instructions can be issued. formula-sound.co.uk/system-protection-noise-control/guardian-cx4-mk3/ This approach is far safer, causing less panic to the public thus aiding their swift evacuation in a fire situation. Appreciate some of this will be out of your remit but worth liasing with the audio/visual contractors to achieve a better solution all around.
good idea but i think what typically happens in places like this is they get some cheap ass guy to come and install some speakers from wish, some dixon kak, best thing ever is what they use on the cruise ships, a 24v mute line system with some relais, so they only break the signal to the amps they run 4pin xlr and then just xlr in and out simple system i think most fire alarm systems should prob be able to output a 12v signal of some sorts. BUT if that doesnt work and they too stingy with cash only kill power to amps for speakers and dj lighting , not dj desk laptop etc. Also dedicated Earth leak and breakers for dj area only, in case some idioit splills coffee on a socket the amount of issues we get in venues... live sound every day is a new day of problems
I agree - relays in the feed from the DJ mixer to the amps to kill the music but keep the amps on. This gives the added benefit of being able to set up an emergency microphone to give announcements via the main PA.
Thanks to you I've started learning how to be an electrician as I've been a chef the last 12 years and now I think it's time I went to do something a little more exciting
I would definitely add M10 penny washer between square plate and nut in every single place, looks neater and more professional, I think. Instead of anchor you can use through bolt M10 which are quicker to fix. but overall looks great! Nice work!
Like the solution for the support of the trays at the 'Tees'. Only comment is that if the supports are anywhere near maximum centres, then you need a length of unistrut below the tray to spread the load. Unistrut endcaps - must be a realy posh place then?
That base looks more like a rectangle than a square -- very much more. A square has 4 sides equal length with 90 degree corners. A Rectangle is similar to a square, but it has opposite sides that are equal in length, but the adjacent sides have longer or shorter length - just like that base you were drilling with various holes (and then put down at 4:13).
alex cantley as a DJ I would rather the power cut happening on the speaker amplifier as the cutting of power will kill DJ equipment as the computer in the equipment don’t really like losing power
Nice looking job 👍 id probably have got an extension piggy back board for the top of the DB for contactors and timeclocks, as you’ll need it for last man out and fire alarm interfaces. And it’s easier bolting that on quickly than having to put another extension board ontop of the cross piece of trunking and having to drill out all the bushes etc.
Hmmm. Did you get paid? I got stuck with two hospitality projects owning me £13k from December as I left their invoices till everything was done and didn't bill monthly like youre supposed to. Neither are opening now.... I'm still hoping that once they get their Business Rate Relief grants, I'll be paid. Thought about that chat you had washing the van one sunday video, recounting how you were left owing thousands in 2008 and you wouldn't get another credit account. Thought of that, as my life flashed before my eyes that night they said "avoid pubs restaurants and bars...."
I don't usually use unistrut but according to Flamco and Hilti your bottom struts are upside down. Tray is looking good, nice eye for detail, maybe some shorter bolts for the next time though ;)
We did something similar with DJ booth from memory we took a cable to the booth power and but went in and out of a normality closed contactor then when the fire alarm triggered it opened the coil and isolated the sockets however I’m sure you’ve done it now 😂😂
@@thomasnagy Haha not surprised with the amount of anal sparks on the page. I wonder if you remember me, we had a phone as I was asking for your advice as my apprenticeship wasn't covering the range of work I was wanted and was being used as a labourer. 3 years or so later I'm now qualified and running my own commercial shop fits 👍 You actually mentioned me in one of your first ever vids but sadly it's been taken down! 😁
Nice looking job there Tom. I like the blue work bench. Macalister?? I would like to.have one but I'm typically on large sites and can only bring a certain amount of my own gear n tools as we have to share a lock up box. I love it when u get a nice bit of work like that and u can crack on for a few months.
As a HVACR guy , 1st thing I thought was : Not too many windows , they better get their HVAC game on point if they don't want crazy hot temperatures and no air to breathe , man I hope they took that into consideration .
Hi Thomas ,great videos keep up the good work, just wondering the T joints and the 90 bends etc on tray do you make your own, you should do a video on how to make bends etc,I know it's hard graft making them as I've done it my self on a job not long ago where I couldn't get hold off any t pieces and 90 bends on a weekend,a video would be much appreciated for other viewer's too , thanks
Fuck mee man i can seriously admire your dedication 💪 It's seriously fucked up after everything that happened and the work you've put back in and finally scoring a huuuge job and now the rug is being pulled again. I think you might be to stubborn to quit 😉 keep it up.
Awsome tray work! How did you pick up expeariance with the tray, did you just pick it up from scratch, or have you picked it up from working with other sparks? Cheers.
I find it quite funny that people want to speak to you, and always expect you to turn up at their job. If they jump on a virgin plane do they expect Richard Branson at the wheel, 😂😂, that is when he owned most of it.
Its part of the existing communal alarm. I think it stays where it is for the moment. I have to run in all the new cabling and then link my new panel to the existing building panel so they can talk.
Cant wait to see the finished result... Question... does this come under critical work needing to be done? Thats not a dig but a genuine question about how you're working it
Great to see you doing well mate I’ve followed from the start. I run an electrical contractor myself & do same work as you - how did you land this commerical fit out ? Marketing or word of mouth ?
@@thomasnagy yes that's the current dilemma at the moment mate. That's best case scenario. I hope it's the case though. Keep us posted on that that job when it kicks off again.
Paxolin is a cheap and nasty insulating board made from resin impregnated paper that used to be used for printed circuit boards before glass fibre boards became common.
Hey Tom, great video! May you explain why there were all these yellow CEE connectors (usually used only for 110V systems) used? I mean, do you have 110V power in the UK as well? greetings from Germany! :)
That is indeed 110v. Site work should be 110v for safety reasons in the UK. There will be a 240/110v isolation transformer(s) dotted around with temporary cables and sockets + lighting.
Guten Abend! Centre tapped earth 55V-0-55V (110V line to line) is used on sites for safety reasons. If a cable became damaged, the risk to life is reduced because a line to earth fault would be at 55V. Professional power tools are usually available in a 110V variant with yellow IEC 60309 connector fitted.
Hypatiakitten - the 110V AC supply is a actually from a transformer with a centre tapped secondary (55-0-55) with the centre tap connected to mains earth. So if the insulation of a cable gets damaged, the maximum shock voltage between a conductor and earth is 55V AC.
just a note, paxolin is classed as a carsenogenic and is now banned on most industrial sites and replaced with composite fire rated plates. Use at least a mask when cutting, jigging and drilling it mate 👍
Thomas, you shouldn't show your temporary wiring arrangements. Electricians are very sensitive, and have more hormones flying around than an Ibiza club night. There will be tear stained copies of the 18th Edition all over the Country!
Have you tried Bosch "multi construction" drill bits? You can drill tiles, wood, brick, metal, all sorts maybe they would last in whatever the F*** Paxolin is? They are comparatively expensive, but I would say the length of time they last actually makes them really good value for money. Drill straight through steel trunking into brick, fit the plug and screw down - no messing job done!
0:27 That startled the crap out of me. I thought he was falling down the stairs!
Lol! It does sound like it
Absolutely awesome cable tray install Tom (and Harry), getting it looking right and neat always takes time and shows pride in your work. Looking forward to further videos for this job, current situation depending obviously!
Hi watched many of your videos, I was a self employed Electrician in the North East before I retired, I live in Thailand now and keep my hand in helping others, you would not believe how bad the electrics are here. You have a very entertaining way of showing others.
I would recommend anyone to retrain an an Electrician I did when I was 40 then set up my own business and never looked back, I’ve worked all over Europe doing electrical work.
Thanks for your entertainment. I still miss it.
Nice trapeze work (Tray hangers).
Love the hand gestures. 😂 particularly the bar area
That looks amazing so far Tom. Hopefully you can get back to it soon enough and keep busy doing something in the mean time to stay sane.
As a self employed spark myself I feel for our industry worldwide right now. We just don't do well being idle for long, it's in our nature.
Coming from the US I just love seeing how electrical work varies from country to country. One of my bucket list things is to intern in Europe somewhere, perhaps the UK? I think that would be so interesting. So far I've done a spot of electrical work in Brazil, Belize, Mexico, and Canada and it's so different everywhere. So much safety instruction is needed in 3 of those 4, bet you can guess which ones... Seriously it's a wonder more don't die worldwide in our trade and the ones that interact with our work.
Every manufacturer of medium gauge tray I've ever used the joiners are always hooked over the outside!!
Never seen any tray joiners on the inside and I've been in the game over 30 years lol!
"stuff on the turntable". made me laugh :)
Lovely tray work, no wonder people leave it on show.Hope you left drain holes in the bottom of those trunking runs at panel. I know of a huge shopping centre that was closed for ages when fire brigade water for minor fire ran into trunking and filled board.
Tom, Although we use Eaton boards they do a trunking to D.B. Interface and saves all the time with paxillin
Best part of being an electrician is installing steel containment, at the end of each day I stood staring at it like it was Picasso especially when you have basket, tray and trunking in the mix 👌
This build looks really interesting - can't wait to see more of it.
Good luck Tom👍
That tray work is incredible! Proper job!
As someone who does sound system installs, please don't just install a contactor to kill power to the DJ booth if the fire alarm is triggered. Not only can this be damaging to some equipment but it will send a nice big pop through to the amplifiers which, as well as being damaging to the connected speakers, could cause panic in the event of a real emergency. Instead look at using something like this which acts as a sound level limiter (which the venue may well require to meet their licence terms) and a priority interface so that when triggered by the fire alarm it fades down the programme music level whilst enabling a priority microphone so that safety instructions can be issued.
formula-sound.co.uk/system-protection-noise-control/guardian-cx4-mk3/
This approach is far safer, causing less panic to the public thus aiding their swift evacuation in a fire situation. Appreciate some of this will be out of your remit but worth liasing with the audio/visual contractors to achieve a better solution all around.
good idea but i think what typically happens in places like this is they get some cheap ass guy to come and install some speakers from wish, some dixon kak, best thing ever is what they use on the cruise ships, a 24v mute line system with some relais, so they only break the signal to the amps they run 4pin xlr and then just xlr in and out simple system i think most fire alarm systems should prob be able to output a 12v signal of some sorts.
BUT if that doesnt work and they too stingy with cash only kill power to amps for speakers and dj lighting , not dj desk laptop etc. Also dedicated Earth leak and breakers for dj area only, in case some idioit splills coffee on a socket
the amount of issues we get in venues... live sound every day is a new day of problems
You beat me to it, this is definitely the way to go.
I agree - relays in the feed from the DJ mixer to the amps to kill the music but keep the amps on. This gives the added benefit of being able to set up an emergency microphone to give announcements via the main PA.
Thanks to you I've started learning how to be an electrician as I've been a chef the last 12 years and now I think it's time I went to do something a little more exciting
Thanks Tom
I would definitely add M10 penny washer between square plate and nut in every single place, looks neater and more professional, I think. Instead of anchor you can use through bolt M10 which are quicker to fix. but overall looks great! Nice work!
Like the solution for the support of the trays at the 'Tees'. Only comment is that if the supports are anywhere near maximum centres, then you need a length of unistrut below the tray to spread the load. Unistrut endcaps - must be a realy posh place then?
Using paxolin, good job. I would've anchored those tray studs straight into the ceiling, looks good though.
Haha, awesome title!
Great videos
Nice to see Paxolin being used, proper old school. Looks like a good job, much better than house bashing 👍
Back in the day my boss was to tight to buy manufactured trunking 90 degree bends, had to make them up our selves, I quite enjoyed it.
That base looks more like a rectangle than a square -- very much more. A square has 4 sides equal length with 90 degree corners. A Rectangle is similar to a square, but it has opposite sides that are equal in length, but the adjacent sides have longer or shorter length - just like that base you were drilling with various holes (and then put down at 4:13).
It would be interesting to see some detail on the fire alarm cut off for the DJ booth when you eventually do it thanks
alex cantley as a DJ I would rather the power cut happening on the speaker amplifier as the cutting of power will kill DJ equipment as the computer in the equipment don’t really like losing power
@@benjaminpaulmooney6845 Don't you use a UPS?
Will it involve a contractor again. 😂.
It's actually really simple. You just run the circuit through a contactor and have the signal cable coming from the fire alarm interface usually.
Nice looking job 👍 id probably have got an extension piggy back board for the top of the DB for contactors and timeclocks, as you’ll need it for last man out and fire alarm interfaces. And it’s easier bolting that on quickly than having to put another extension board ontop of the cross piece of trunking and having to drill out all the bushes etc.
Beautiful work on those cable trays. Blows me away.
Hmmm. Did you get paid? I got stuck with two hospitality projects owning me £13k from December as I left their invoices till everything was done and didn't bill monthly like youre supposed to. Neither are opening now.... I'm still hoping that once they get their Business Rate Relief grants, I'll be paid. Thought about that chat you had washing the van one sunday video, recounting how you were left owing thousands in 2008 and you wouldn't get another credit account. Thought of that, as my life flashed before my eyes that night they said "avoid pubs restaurants and bars...."
Just seen this and need to ask, did you ever get paid mate?
Love the channel !!!
Great video as usual, can't wait till everything back to normal. Have you reviewed that foldable work bench, can't see what make it is?
I don't usually use unistrut but according to Flamco and Hilti your bottom struts are upside down. Tray is looking good, nice eye for detail, maybe some shorter bolts for the next time though ;)
Great job
Gastro pub thing?Sounds good,hey honey wanna go down to the Gastro pub thing? 😂😂😂😂
My descriptions could use a little work at times. But i kind of like it this way....i think a gastro pub is basically a posh snob bar
We did something similar with DJ booth from memory we took a cable to the booth power and but went in and out of a normality closed contactor then when the fire alarm triggered it opened the coil and isolated the sockets however I’m sure you’ve done it now 😂😂
Check out Gripple will save you hours over traditional unistrut nut and bolts.
Especially when levelling and sub tier trays work.
hi can you show your van and all your stuff? And how do you fit your cb radio? ragards!
Nice trunking work, mate, it sort of matches the Air-con lines.
Crazy to think when I first subscribed you had 6 subscribers! Nice install mate, looks good 👍
mad isn't it. i have alot of grey hair now though
@@thomasnagy Haha not surprised with the amount of anal sparks on the page. I wonder if you remember me, we had a phone as I was asking for your advice as my apprenticeship wasn't covering the range of work I was wanted and was being used as a labourer. 3 years or so later I'm now qualified and running my own commercial shop fits 👍
You actually mentioned me in one of your first ever vids but sadly it's been taken down! 😁
Nice looking job there Tom. I like the blue work bench. Macalister?? I would like to.have one but I'm typically on large sites and can only bring a certain amount of my own gear n tools as we have to share a lock up box. I love it when u get a nice bit of work like that and u can crack on for a few months.
Tidy job Tom.
When are you going to do review about bosch tools?
Good job on containment! Well played
Not enough supply for commercial kitchen and bar
How do you know that?
Id also like to know. Unless he got the spec for kitchen which i haven't got yet
As a HVACR guy , 1st thing I thought was : Not too many windows , they better get their HVAC game on point if they don't want crazy hot temperatures and no air to breathe , man I hope they took that into consideration .
Hi there tomas feel bad for guys like you who work for them selfs, all the best hope you are well and isolation is not bee too hard on you👍
Hi Thomas ,great videos keep up the good work, just wondering the T joints and the 90 bends etc on tray do you make your own, you should do a video on how to make bends etc,I know it's hard graft making them as I've done it my self on a job not long ago where I couldn't get hold off any t pieces and 90 bends on a weekend,a video would be much appreciated for other viewer's too , thanks
U do a relly good job on here mate
Your vidoes are the only thing keeping me sane as I stare at the 4 walls.
Fuck mee man i can seriously admire your dedication 💪
It's seriously fucked up after everything that happened and the work you've put back in and finally scoring a huuuge job and now the rug is being pulled again.
I think you might be to stubborn to quit 😉 keep it up.
Tom you Legend, Keep up the good content!
“Those unistruts are Strong as anything”. We know you wanted to say “strong as f@ck”
Another great vid lad💪🏻👍🏻🔥
Cheers me laddo
what's special about paxolin, is it fireproof, or a really good insulator etc ?
The previous fire alarm install looks terrible 😂😂 Who looked at that and thought "wow I've done a great job"
I should be asleep. But Thomas uploaded. FUCK! GUESS I'M NOT SLEEPING THEN!
Why didnt you anchor the rods straight into the ceiling instead of suspending them off pieces of strut?
What fire alarm system are you installing
Love the smell of paxolin in the morning
Awsome tray work! How did you pick up expeariance with the tray, did you just pick it up from scratch, or have you picked it up from working with other sparks?
Cheers.
Spent my entire apprenticeship doing tray and pipe ;-)
Hey Tom, I didn’t see a earth fly lead from the banjo on the supply SWA going to the earth bar. Other than that looks tidy.
Tray looks smart as fuck! Nice job
Damn you a fast on those stairs.😜 Stay safe.🙏🏻 With love from Denmark.❤️🇩🇰
What fire alarm system are you fitting?
Do you have shunt trip breakers in the UK?
Thomas,, what van are you running at the moment?? I was going through your old videos,, the one where you broke down,,, hope it's a Nissan,
I’m sure you have mentioned it before, what is that work bench you have?
What is the point of the plate u cut for base of the board ???
what’s happened to the Thomas Nagy branded workwear?
Im not convinced it's gonna be a big seller in this current climate; but it'll happen...
thomas nagy I’m sure it would sell well, but don’t think it’d go down well on site
What is the reason or purpose for using Paxoline when installing a three phase dB?
Some heavy duty tray work there buddy and time and cost that will cost a pritty penny
where did you get the flat bends for the 4x4 trunking Tom ?
Tom do actually get enough work on card payments that it's worth paying £30 per month rather than a pay as you go card machine?
What sort of cable are you running? Armoured in the tray and then glanded into the trunking to the dis board?
I think so.
Why use Square washers? Same principal as square dowlighters, having to square them all up with each other. Round washers would be so much easier.
I think it's just a 'thing' - unistrut uses square washers
I had to go round once i tightened all the nuts to square the washers ;-)
What cable are you running in out of curiosity. It's hardly going to be singles cus of the tray. Hightuff? Flex? Just wondering
I’d imagine some variation of lsf cable
I find it quite funny that people want to speak to you, and always expect you to turn up at their job.
If they jump on a virgin plane do they expect Richard Branson at the wheel, 😂😂, that is when he owned most of it.
that FP is shocking lol
Its part of the existing communal alarm. I think it stays where it is for the moment.
I have to run in all the new cabling and then link my new panel to the existing building panel so they can talk.
@@thomasnagy Just annoying that someone got paid for it haha.
Cant wait to see the finished result...
Question... does this come under critical work needing to be done?
Thats not a dig but a genuine question about how you're working it
I think the clue is in the title. Plus Tomas said in the previous video he was stopping all project work and just doing maintenance.
Its all on hold now until this virus settles down
Great to see you doing well mate I’ve followed from the start. I run an electrical contractor myself & do same work as you - how did you land this commerical fit out ? Marketing or word of mouth ?
Wow Tom that tray work looks a daunting task but well done.. How long did that take to erect?
A while. a good two weeks went into it to do the trunking around the board and all the tray and hangers etc with two men
thomas nagy Excellent stuff Tom nice one mate!!
Shouldve used the longyun > bosch 😂
Is this on hold now Tom?
It is for the moment; or until this virus decides to go away or settle down again. It'll probably get picked up again slowly in a month or two
@@thomasnagy yes that's the current dilemma at the moment mate. That's best case scenario. I hope it's the case though. Keep us posted on that that job when it kicks off again.
Jøsses, its must be a freaking hazzle pulling cables in the trays, in Denmark, especially the big sites, we never close the trays on both sides...
hastle
You keep promoting my parent company 😉
What paxalin or how ever you spell it?
Paxolin is synthetic resin bonded paper (FR-2).
Get a Pice Dry man.. you'll love it
How are you uploading a much when you have less work?
Shame that job got shelved Tom, would of liked to see it through to the sign off.
It'll get finished; just not for a few months now i think
What on earth is pacsaline (sp?)?
That brown sheet between the board and the trunking. It's basically an insulator to help stop cables from chafing when entering the board.
It was a lot of work to cut out.
Paxolin is resin bonded paper. The resin is shite on any sharp tools. Blunts them quickly.
Paxolin is a cheap and nasty insulating board made from resin impregnated paper that used to be used for printed circuit boards before glass fibre boards became common.
Thomas doesn’t use penny washers Nagy he will be called on this job😉
0:27 Did you fall down the stairs and just edited to make it look sped up?
Hey Tom,
great video! May you explain why there were all these yellow CEE connectors (usually used only for 110V systems) used? I mean, do you have 110V power in the UK as well?
greetings from Germany! :)
That is indeed 110v. Site work should be 110v for safety reasons in the UK. There will be a 240/110v isolation transformer(s) dotted around with temporary cables and sockets + lighting.
240v power is not allowed on sites so we use 110v power tools via transformers.
Guten Abend! Centre tapped earth 55V-0-55V (110V line to line) is used on sites for safety reasons. If a cable became damaged, the risk to life is reduced because a line to earth fault would be at 55V. Professional power tools are usually available in a 110V variant with yellow IEC 60309 connector fitted.
Hypatiakitten - the 110V AC supply is a actually from a transformer with a centre tapped secondary (55-0-55) with the centre tap connected to mains earth. So if the insulation of a cable gets damaged, the maximum shock voltage between a conductor and earth is 55V AC.
Are You Polish mate?
just a note, paxolin is classed as a carsenogenic and is now banned on most industrial sites and replaced with composite fire rated plates. Use at least a mask when cutting, jigging and drilling it mate 👍
Thomas, you shouldn't show your temporary wiring arrangements. Electricians are very sensitive, and have more hormones flying around than an Ibiza club night. There will be tear stained copies of the 18th Edition all over the Country!
the thing is - it's actually true
Circular saw with a good carbide tipped blade works well on Paxolin 👍🏻
Ha, cut the power to the DJ desk, cheers. But my Denon SC kit has built in batteries so it carries on working if a power cable is pulled ;-)
Have you tried Bosch "multi construction" drill bits? You can drill tiles, wood, brick, metal, all sorts maybe they would last in whatever the F*** Paxolin is? They are comparatively expensive, but I would say the length of time they last actually makes them really good value for money. Drill straight through steel trunking into brick, fit the plug and screw down - no messing job done!
Paxolin is a trade name for SRBP (Synthetic Resin Bonded Paper).
Gastro area??? Good grief!!!😷😷