There should be laws against mega-corporations for sure, but this one is totally unnecessary and not gonna solve any real issues. The fact that every once in a while you can't charge your phone because your friend has a Lightning cable and you need a Type-C is not a real issue, it's just an unnecessary 'fuck you' to big corporations.
@760futura How is USB C flawed? It should be the standard rather than crappy proprietary ports just so Apple can make more money at the expense of the consumer and the environment.
@760futura They are free to say that. But then they can say goodbye to the European market. I hope that corpos being more powerful than governments will only be a thing of dystopian media.
The EU basically did say "just come up with a unified cable" a number of years ago. The industry responded and chose of their own valition type-c, but it was just apple refusing to play ball because they were making money
so another companies basically dumb and they dont have tecnologie like lightning ..... why the hell apple have to listen any countries they saying to them what they do ! you are just kid you want usb-c everywhere how do you know is better for all device why apple have play ball with another companies
Its just disgusting really. In every certified lightning cable, there is a tiny chip from apple that costs money. Counterfeit cables won’t work after 1 update. Apple is making huge money in this and they won’t do anymore when going the more superior usb c. Its not about the costumers, its about the money
USB C is supposed to a a uniform standard but the only thing that’s standard is the connector shape. A lot of usb C do not support the various functionalities they’re supposed to be able to support.
The EU directive is pretty flexible in that it is actually published by an apposite team working on this, which is set to re-evaluate the market and update the directive every 5 years i think, which would see the connector change if a new one is developed that has advantages. EU tried telling the market "hey, it would be nice to have everyone on the same connector so that chargers are compatible" and that's the reason why almost all android phone had mini USB, but guess who didn't jump on board and forced the law to be so prescriptive?
The EU is a lot less dysfunctional than the US when it comes to governing over things like this. I think Americans assume that these sort of choices coming from a government are always bad when they aren’t.
Yea exactly, it isn't the EU being strict because they want to be strict, it's the EU being strict because big bully Apple forced them to be strict. I mean if what Marques speculates actually happens (and I'm 90% sure it will) they will still stick to making their own proprietary products because money.
nonsense. who's coming out with a new standard when they ruined all the competition? This is how we get stuck with garbage for a long time. The standard is going to be EU approval rather than pure improvement through competition. It's like no one has lived through a government standards change and expects them to work closely with Apple and Google to come up with something. Get used to USB-C on a permanent basis
This has nothing to do with e-waste. The EU is spewing a huge number of these regulations to try to suck money out of the USA, like they have been for 80ish years. Just parasites.
This was the exact reason electronics stopped having their own types of connectors a long time ago. They were all forced to standardize to cut down e-waste, and it was better for the consumer because you could finally charge any type of device you had at a friends place cause everything was standardized.
Ikr, especially how apple doesn’t come with a charger or headphones included making you buy them packaged separately, they not even have a headphone jack forcing you to buy new wireless ones if you don’t have them already, they make their phones almost impossible to repair without going to an apple store where most of the time they’ll just tell you to get a new phone anyway, and forcing people to use a different cable for apple phones than everything else makes so much more waste as you need to buy twice as many cables! It’s so fucking hypocritical.
Wireless charging seems to be worse for the environment for now. It doesn't provide the same amount of energy as it sucks out of the wall, so much waste. Also, you still need to carry a whole charging dock, maybe mini but still. I think they have to follow and go for usbc, because wireless is not really wireless 😅
Exactly. Even though I’m happy with 15-20W charge speeds, I see no reason to make all that extra heat between the coils when I can have a nice cool connector. In fact the only times I ever even consider wanting a wireless charger are when my phone got wet and it won’t let me charge until it’s dry. But that’s infrequent enough that I’m not spending money for that scenario.
I think most people who have used wireless charging can attest to how shit it actually is, especially in Magsafe's case. Magsafe is literally less efficient, slower WIRED charging with a worse location on the phone. You don't get rid of any wires at all!
USB-C is just the port shape, the data/charging part can keep being improved in subsequent USB versions or even another protocol entirely down the line. A good example would be thunderbolt which is a different protocol to USB but uses USB-C as the standard for the physical port itself.
No, there are limits to the port itself, lightning and micro usb(standard) physically cant use the usb 3 protocol, they dont have enough pins, same for power delivery, micro usb maxes out at 15w, since without enough metal to metal contact, too much power can melt the port.
The EU gave corporations push to standardise themselves years ago without forcing them into any standard! Even you mentioned it in video before. Most of corporations moved to USBC by themselves, Apple didn't and did not proposed any better alternative. So now its a law.
I agree. I think they will get rid of the charge port and just say people have been wirelessly charging long enough that they don’t need to give you anything.
They need to supply their product with everything that it requires to keep it working. That means a cable or magsafe or whatever. I think there’s a law or something. Otherwise, they wouldn’t even give you a cable these days.
The thing is, USB-C is just a plug. The underlying technology (USB) will continue to evolve but there is nothing in sight so far that's indicating that the USB-C connector will hold future iterations of the USB protocol back. USB 4 will also use the USB-C connector and so will probably USB-B 5.
Its not "just a plug". its going to be the port on every phone for the next 5-10 years. It monopolized the global market through the law of one small geographical region. Monopolized markets are always bad. bad for prices and bad for innovation. regardless of the rest.
Not to mention iPhone wallet cases. Having my wallet and phone together and also findable is more important than using an iPhone. The wallet cases can’t use mag charging
Yes I may finally buy an android if this actually happens. Biggest problem for me is listening to music in the car, going through Bluetooth just does not sound as good as having it wired!
@@pepeshadilay lol sure, impossible, wonder why MagSafe technology communicates device ID via NFC? It is easy to imagine that non "certified" charging devices have limits imposed by Apple. Dunning-Kruger effect: you know the basics of how induction works, you think you know all the intricacies of how MagSafe (and Apple as a company) operates.
@@pepeshadilay It’s not impossible… the iPhone can do a wireless hand shake before it accepts power draw from the coils. This is actually exactly what the lightning port does as well. I don’t see you saying “pins are just copper, it’s impossible for Apple to make you use their cables” but they actually do license that connector because you need the microchip to do the handshake.
Just reminds me of classic Republican talking points & being ‘pro business’ at the expense of everyone else. ‘Keep the dang government outta business! It’s a free marketplace!’ ‘Oh, your child has suicidal ideation due to their body not matching their gender? WE GOTTA GET MORE GOVERNMENT LAWS TO STOP THIS’
@@pasta-and-heroin governments job is also to protect the people from monopolies. Apple is literally where it is because it destroyed competition that wasn't free market at all it's slimmy bro
@@pasta-and-heroin So true. We should let children who can't legally drink be able to permanently sterilise themselves from the genepool. Now that i think about it, that's pretty environmentally friendly.
But but, it interferes with the engineers vision of a perfect product. Jk, the perfect throw away phone and 20+ accessories that go with it for the next year and a half.
I agree. But two things are on my mind: 1.) A wired connection will always be faster and less prone to interference (thing about fiber connections etc) So if you film your maybe 8k HDR 120 fps with your iPhone 17, do you really want to transfer the data wirelessly ? Also I think when it comes to charging, a wired connection is always better in efficiency. I like wireless charging but a cable will always be better in this regards 2.) I just like the idea of having one cable that can serve a lot. I'm at a friends house. Forget my charger. I can charge there with my friends usb-c. This wireless charging tech from apple might be cool but... don't we all use the same plug at our outlets for every electronical device? Isn't that great?
Wired data transfer with lightning isn't even faster than wireless anymore. Still at USB 2.0 speeds. The efficiency part is a big one imo. All iPhones using 20% more power just seems extremely wasteful to me from a 'green' company
I asked for a type C cable in my school's library about 2 weeks ago and they looked at me like I was crazy! Like, what the hell, type C works for basically all new electronic devices BUT iPhones.
Airdrop will be more important than ever. Each passing year there’s less reason to plug an iPhone to a cable. I only use cables on my iPhone 13 Pro Max only when I must. I use airdrop or cloud to transfer data and I use wireless charging to charge
@@kolaveri550 airdrop cant be used for restoring/debugging, as the feature works only when the phone is on. If Apple genius bar will have to open the phone for simple troubleshooting and repair, Apple is going to punish itself. For end users it's a big bummer as they have to rely on slow magsafe charging all the time. I don't see how it is an advancement, as we will be using a big puck instead of a small pin to charge the phones. Inconveniences charging the phone in car alone is a big step back. I know there are car holders with magsafe, but those don't allow good ventilation or make the experience easy.
There are USB outlets in buses, trains, metro, cafes etc. It's very convenient to carry a small wire everywhere and charge your phone whenever you need. It would be less convenient to cary a small puck.
Then they can move to wireless charging. Like all other tech, USB-C will become outdated. Standardizing it for the long term is just as bad as previous ports, because then it creates a monopoly. Instead of carrying a puck, you'll be carrying a wire with a USB-C adapter anyways. So not much would change by requiring USB-C. It would seem that the actual reason they are requiring USB-C is because they want to have a standardized system of spying on people, so that anywhere public you plug it in, they can be ensured they have access to your data. With different ports, this becomes much more difficult, especially when they want to do it without people realizing. So in order to easily exploit connections using a standardized easy to use program, they need all devices to be using the exact same type of ports.
Also imagine not being able to use the phone while charging... Every phone has wireless charging its already an added feature. Just think what's better; being able to charge wirelessly only or being able to charge wirelessly and wired both? Of course both.
@@itsyoboigucci7578 THIS, ive been with apple my whole life but if they remove the charging port I’m switching to google or Samsung How tf do u expect me to use my phone while wireless charging. Especially if the battery has degraded and loses its charge quickly it means I can’t charge it on the go
the biggest problem is that wireless charging actually has a wire... and an extra dock that we should carry with us. and on top of that it charges the phone more slowly. That sounds like a step backwards to me
@@CaitiffFTW all files sent do and from the iDevice will be routed through Apple (c) secured servers. ensuring no illegally downloaded entertainments hit your phone
The problem is the EU did just that. A decade ago they told the industry to create a standardized cable because, at the time, literally every phone (even by the same brand) had different cables. Everyone agreed to do so. Everyone followed through on their commitment, except 1. Thus this law was created to force compliance. This law was also created in such a way that it can update with the standards but anyone that things usbc is going to be replaced in a couple of years is crazy. USB A has existed for 30 years and is still going. USB C will suffice for charging device for many years. And don't forget, the company shouting about innovation is the one using a standard that hasn't changed in a decade. That still runs a pathetic wattage at usb2 data speeds. Lightning is about money and only money.
I was going to say exactly that. I think the idea that the government shouldn't be prescriptive when it comes to tech assumes that the industry plays in good faith, when that's rarely ever true, ESPECIALLY when it comes to Apple. The fact that Apple completely discarding wired charging is a realistic prospect - despite USB-C being a great connector type with blazing fast data transfer and charging speeds even by today standards - proves that.
i am a libertarian so i disagree with the EU law. I don't believe governments have any place in mandating technology. i'm not affected by the lightning problem because i have no Apple products and I would never buy an Apple product. I think the correct solution is for everyone who doesn't like the lightning port to just not buy it.
@@tacokoneko Many people are mandated to use Apple products, and iPhones, as part of their jobs. Besides, your viewpoint assumes every consumer is perfectly rational (in the economic sense of the word) which is not the case.
@@stevethomas3502 it's prescriptive because Apple forced their hand... not the other way around, Apple decided to NOT play ball, then they are just forced to change, the cable will change with time if it's necessary, the tech industry has enough lobies in brussels to make it happen.
The EU directive already has a measure for future ports, they will change in conjunction with the USB implementers forum, of which basically all tech companies (apple included) are a part.
@@firefly323 bogus. The fact is that monopolization kills innovation. It kills price competition and hurts consumers. Nothing can get around that fact. Consumers were better off with competing standards. If not for the competition we'd have USB-A or Micro-USB as the legal standard.
@@ChrisG1392 problem is Apple never had a competing standard. Absolutely nothing changed since the forst introduction of the lightining port and is exactly the very monopoly you hate, idiot. The physical port may be ubiquitous but speeds and the things that count change, same as the HDMI standard. Everybody benefits from this providing you know the speed and application of your cables, which quite honestly isn't hard and needs a bit of reform itself.
The inefficiency of wireless charging is an interesting topic Imo. Sure, not meaningful to one person. But moving towards every phone wasting a little more energy across the world. I feel like there is a potential for it to ad up.
Yes, this is my feeling on wireless charging. Phones make the average person use less energy in the fact that they are designed to be efficient to last a long time on batteries. Reducing the efficiency by forcing wireless charging would be a bad deal.
I think USB-C is going to stick around for a long while, because it can be improved while still having the same physical form factor, which I think most people agree is leagues better than previous generations.
I mean we've had USB-A for more than 25 years now and it still remains as one of, if not, the most popular connector out there. With this law in place we could see the popularity of USB-C skyrocket and will continue to be used for a long time just like USB-A.
It will, but new innovative ports may come and the eu will miss out on this until they change their laws and means those port innovations will probably not come from europe
@FreezeFun I see what you're saying but I guess that's not the point. Imagine if in the '90 the EU had mandated USB A to be present on all devices. We wouldn't have seen lighting or USB C, and maybe smartphones would have to be 2cm thick in order to accomodate an USB A port. I'm not one for apple, but the argument that such a regulation stifles innovation is definitely a sound one.
The problem with leaving it to the engineers is you end up with different ports...if they mandated all engineers need to agree on 1 port, that might make sense. But being that the largest portion of the market uses USB-C exclusively it makes sense for everyone to just switch.
They do and its not a mandate its called an engineering standard. Standards are what make the modern world possible. Apples ditches standards whenever they want to differentiate their products to make them seem more advanced, which from an engineer's POV is just silly. However, engineers don't sell phones, marketers do. Apple is the greatest marketing company since Phillip Morris which literally sold people death.
Less efficent way of charging wasting both time and electricity to charge and heat up devices giving them lower lifespans as well. But don't worry apple isn't selling the brick in the box so the store you bought an brick from is actually the one affecting the environment negatively!
Imagine not buying a new phone until it breaks in four years because you have an otter box and screen cover. You can do this all day. No one need to live a comfortable life, but we all want to live them. You have to find a measure of what is a step too far and mag safe plugs is definitely not it and aren't going away. Those are on PCs and Macs. Oh sorry I was thinking about the magnetic plugs not wireless charging. It should never be used. Bad for the battery inefficient and destroys the battery life. Apple always has to invent their own name for already existing everything.
Given USB-C is a connector standard I doubt very much it will fall out of date in the next few years. They've already updated the specification multiple times including just recently last month. The USB type A is still kicking after 26 years, it isn't as slow as it was back then because it was improved while keeping backward compatibility. Apple will do what it does but I suspect the inconveniences of wireless might bite them more than when they went that route for the headphone jack.
Exactly, wireless always constitutes slower data transfer speeds, less reliable data transfer, it's more inefficient for charging, it's more expensive, and it in general just isn't that great. Plus, slapping a massive magnetic puck on the back of your phone is just the same if not worse then a cable and connector, because now you have this giant round thing on the back of your phone. Even with magnets aligning it, it's still a pain in the ass and makes things difficult. Apple really should just suck it up and make the USB-C iPhone everyone wants.
@@owmylehg7811agree wireless charging is ok while you thow your phone and dont use it (in car, or at night) and thats it.. 200w charging phone in 10min - that is the future.
Yeah, he and other youtubers are talking how "usb-c could be too slow in the future" while talking about lightning port that has usb 2.0 speed. Somehow they dont focus their reviews of the new iphone on the fact that it has painfuly slow port, because phones dont need that much speed. If you can live with usb 2.0 in phone now, you will for sure be happy with usb-c in 10 years.
I think what he means is before another big leap. Like how big of a leap it was going from micro to usb-c. Something that changes the form of the port, itself. Sure, USB A has went strong as a standard port, but the other end has commonly changed. Mini USB was made in 2000 That became out of date when micro USB hit the stage in 2007. The Type C replaced that one when it was officially finalized in 2014. (Of course devices still come out with these older ports because they might not be technologically advanced enough to require a type-c, but a law like this is meant to change that) As you can see, there's a trend. The last two leaps have been 7 years apart. Obviously there is the law of diminishing returns, so it might take longer and longer for big leaps to be made, but it has been 8 years since the standard of USB c was finalized. By the end of 2024, it'll be 10 years. Meaning if the trend continues, we will be overdue for another big leap, so it could happen any day from that point forward
If anything the Apple cables and phone connectors are more likely to go bad from corrosion due to tendency of super tiny junk being jammed into the iphone port. I've personally never seen a ruined USB C cable unless you purposely damaged it.
@@MrMega200 yeah. All of my friends' iphone cables got broken several times, mine also. Had no problem with my Type-C cables so far. So if they're talking about E-waste....
yea and not standardizing cabling and ports creates more ewaste because households will need more different types of cables rather than reusing the same on for different devices. of course they'll say anything for their bottom line
Actually they gave the phone manufactorers time to unify their ports. However, since the outcome was apple:"great you can all use our outdated port", everyone else:"wtf - use USB-C", the EU decided its gonna be USB-C.
Yes the EU just forces apple to comply on what all other manufacturers allready agree on. But i think there is a different outcome possible. While compliing with usb charging they could not use Usb functions like data transfer. And instead use Altmode to impliment bs like lighning over Usbc for "security" reasons and continue to skim profits of 3rd party manufacturers. Apple is just evil and needs to go down sooner rather than later.
That’s still not a useful approach. The law could have been worded differently as to require specific standards that would no be met by outdated ports or use some kind of majority system. Just prescribing one port for what is realistically going to be decades is dumb
@@KP3droflxpEU and the US are a lot different. EU officials actually listen to professionals, so if there's a new and better standard they'll implement it fast. ' The reason they specify USB C is that legal terms have to be specific so they can be enforced effectively and to prevent loopholes.
Yep. The lightning port is already way too slow to transfer a ProRes video, and they expect people to do that via Bluetooth or Wi-Fi? Or what about accessories?
I guess it depends how you use your phone. I barely ever use the port for anything-I charge and sync everything wirelessly-but I'm not trying to transfer raw high-quality video from my phone or connect it to some peripheral that only accepts a lightning connection.
As if it's not embarrassing enough to charge a phone via cable in the public, now we'll get to see these clunky, wireless pucks being thrown into the mix for extra shame.
You peripherally touched on it, but I think the real reason we won't see a USB-C iPhone is because they wouldn't be able to charge any sort of licensing fee for a universal standard like they do with the Lightning port. On the other hand, Magsafe is still a proprietary product, so they can keep on charging manufacturers 10% for participating their special walled garden.
I agree, we can't leave it up to companies, nor can we leave it up to government, neither can be trusted to do the smartest thing for everyone. So the best is always a compromise between money driven forces and all the other interests such as the environment and forced obsolescence.
The Mr.Brownlee agrees with is not right in any sort of way "TechCompanys should decide with their own Egineers how to achieve a goal of Regulators", for me that just sound likes saying, lets bend the rules till its fits for us. A company like Apple is happily using the USB-Standard on all their Macs, but yea surely for the Environment, let's keep the lightning port and cables. It does not make sense. Its like many Companies with were new claims to be C02 neutral, without any regulation for this claims. The EU might be clunky, and sometimes not up to speed, but at least sometimes, they stop these horse poo. I just visualize people in 2024 sitting their, with there wireless chargingpads connected with a usb-c cable to charge their phones, like I had to for weeks, because my usb-c port was permanently jammed. I see all the advantages with phones, that you can't use while charging and please no internet anymore, I just want a safe connection with the Applenet, that offers me interconnected services from all over the world, while charging me for charging my phone, but give me discount if idll do that continuously over night. blaaaa for the environment.
@@klubstompers The cable that pluges into a wireless charging pad/puck would have to be USB-C, but if they make their own proprietary wireless charging standard, they can still charge licensing fees based on that. And if there is no port to charge the phone, then consumers would have no choice to use a proprietary charger which leaves iPhone users right were they started... Apple's walled garden.
I always roll my eyes when these companies pretend to care about e-waste. If their concerns were genuine, they wouldn't insist on releasing new phones every year. At this point, the "improvements" are so minor year-to-year that it's unnecessary - people could easily go at least 2 years between phones, and that alone would give a drastic reduction in e-waste. I get myself a new phone every 5 years or so, and that's usually only because I'm effectively forced to if I want to use newer software. I don't view a phone as a fashion accessory, or even an essential item, and my life doesn't revolve around it. I'd probably still be on my HTC Desire S if I knew newer software would be usable.
Agreed. They should make them so that they're more customizable. Ie. Ability to upgrade an existing phone without having to buy a completely new phone. (storage capacity)
@@T2MARA There was a project trying to do exactly that a few years back - you may have heard of it - Phonebloks. Lots of companies showed an interest, Google got involved and created Project Ara... then in true Google fashion, they killed it after 2 years. Because why sell modules for a reasonable price, when so many people are happy to pay a fortune every year for a whole new phone that's very slightly better than the one they already have? The first thing that's needed is to kill this perception that a phone is a must-have fashion accessory that the likes of Apple and Samsung have drilled into everyone; I mean, who really _needs_ a phone that folds? 🤷♂
@@zbarba The Fairphone is a step in the right direction, but it's not on the level that Phonebloks aspired to be. Yes, you can replace components if they fail, which is great - but you can only replace like-for-like. They're now on Fairphone 4, which uses different parts from the previous versions, and several parts for those older phones are now discontinued... so you're still forced to upgrade the entire phone at some point. The (admittedly idealistic) concept behind a fully modular product like Phonebloks wasn't just that you'd be able to replace failed components with working ones, but that it would be _upgradeable_, with newer, better cameras/processors/batteries/screens etc. that fit into the same chassis - so there wouldn't be any need for a "Phonebloks 2", you'd just buy newer components as and when they were available and slot them in to the existing phone body. That said, they (Fairphone) have only released 4 phones in 9 years, which is more or less one every 2 years, and that is _definitely_ something to be commended.
great video, small comment: First time the EU voted on charging cable standards they did leave it up to the engineers. Look where that got us, all other phone manufacturers agreed on a standard, micro USB. That later became USB-C. Apple? Not so much. So yes, in principle I agree government shouldn't be that strict, but Apple themselves forced their hand here.
Also, the research shows that at the moment USB-C is just a form factor. With that same form factor and different controller configurations we can have almost endless results. Not saying that USB-C form factor is perfect and that it doesn't need changing, but performance creep is not a fear anymore. Look at thunderbolt, USB-4 and all the other USB-C standards...
The problem with wireless charging is that it heats up the phone REALLY bad, even if I close all my apps, turn down my brightness, and put my phone in low power mode while it’s charging. The technology just isn’t there yet to justify going completely portless, plus I prefer having a faster wired charger anyways
It gets even worse when using a protective case (necessitated by the fact phone companies insist on using either luxury aluminium that scratches easily or luxury glass that breaks when it falls).
Wireless charging is planned obsolescence. Nothing wears out a devices battery as much as heat. It's also wildly inefficient compared to wired charging.
Wow, Apple actually gave in, Its crazy to see that there was so much behind just this simple change. Guess we aren't there just yet technology wise to switch to a complete port less iPhone.
My biggest problem with iPhone getting rid of the charge port entirely is that every phone is going to copy them after a few years just like they did with the Headphone jack and expandable storage. I REALLY do not want to lose my USB-C port on my phone in like 2027 or something
Power banks now won’t work. So any situation that was handy means your gonna have a dead phone battery. At the bar, well the bartender can’t help you and just let you plug in etc… wireless charging is cool as an option but not if it’s the only option.
EU has been fairly good about regular reviews of laws, as in if they write into the law that they will revisit it every x years they actually do that. It’s also quite a different process from the US where laws seem to very much be forever laws that nobody actually touches ever again.
You have to consider the opportunity cost though. Is it worth it to constantly go back and re-visit laws instead of considering new ones? And how many laws can you plan to re-visit before it becomes too much?
Curious as to the process you expect the next generation cable to be designed by. EU teams up with tech or tech collaborates? Hint: neither are happening. Five years will pass and nothing new will come out because there will be no collaboration.
Biggest problem with wireless charging: I often hold my phone in my hand while it is charging via cord, especially at night when the phone is depleted. Trying to do this with MagSafe sounds maddening.
it is absolutely possible though. The magsafe "magnet" thing is still at the end of a chord, and they can make the chord longer to accomodate people that want to be able to use the phone while it is charging. I don't believe they are going to exculsively magsafe, but for other reasons than this. This one seems like not a real issue.
@@mutedmutiny9542 oh I see what you mean, a little mag connected to the cord on the wall that magnets to the middle of the back of your phone. Would look like a hockey puck ig
@@Jeremy-bt8lo yeah they make them like that already, I have a few because I think they come with the Apple Watch, but they work for any other MagSafe devices too.
The biggest problem is that it wastes more energy. At the current stage it uses about 75% more energy. 1MM phones that can charge at 15W/h would use 11.25 GW/h more per charge. Just so you don't have to plug it in?
@@mutedmutiny9542 I don’t have a model with MagSafe yet, but the magnet on the watch charger is so weak that if I’m holding the watch I have to press the magnet to the back to keep it from falling off while I’m handling it. Maybe the MagSafe is a stronger bond, though
One thing I think isn't being mentioned nearly often enough about this law is that it also mandates USB-C on laptops from 2026, which I think could be even more important than iphones. Laptop manufacturers are still treating USB-C charging as a premium feature for high-end laptops only when it's meant to be the new standard for all of them. I, for one, can't wait for the death of shitty barrel chargers. Maybe this would have been solved by 2026 regardless, but they've bungled this so far so who knows if they'd voluntarily fix it any time soon.
Yeah the barrel chargers are dogshit, but the Macbooks Magsafe charger is the GOAT, so for me personally, I REALLY hope they don't need to switch back to USB-C for the Macbooks. When they first stopped using magsafe it really sucked, and now that it's come back it's so much better in everyway.
@@therealjp1116 the law does not prohibit apple from implementing magsafe though. The law only required devices that can be charged via wires to be able to use USB-C. In macbooks, the thunderbolt port is USB PD compatible and you can use usb-c to charge your macbook if you don't want to use the mag safe. So with that, it means apple already complied even before it was enforced. However for those other device manufacturers like hp, dell that does include usb-c on their laptops but does not support PD, this law will enforce it.
The problem Iv always had with wireless is that its the exact same as wired. you still have a wire coming from the wall ito the phone, only now you have to make sure not to accidently bump the phone when its charging. Its just not better in anyway IMO....
The advantage of wireless is being able to plonk your device down in vaguely the right spot on a surface without also having to specifically plug it in - a *very* small advantage to be sure, and also doesn't really apply to the standard MagSafe charger where you've got a hockey puck stuck to the phone hanging loose just like a normal cable, but it is technically there.
Exactly, wireless charging is utterly useless. It still uses a wire, has slow charging, and can't transfer data at any viable speed. No idea why people are so down for it. Baffles me how people will give up all the benefits just to save 1 calorie of effort by not having to plug in the wire
Type C has to be the "unified charging standard" because it is the most common standard we have now. Its very hard to enforce laws that don't have specific details defined, because anyone could claim their proprietary cable is the standard.
Actually i heard from his podcast That Eu told apple and gave them new standards to comply to 🙄 but they didnt so they choose usb c so they can force them into complying So i dont know why Apple is acting like the victim here
What I think people always overlook is the fact, that wireless charging is also wired, only the place where you put your charger changes to the back of the Phone. In my opinion the advantages are marginal...
Yup, exactly. It's not really wireless at all. You still have to connect your phone to the end of a wire. Really, it's just a new type of port/connector. Just, it's a lot slower and larger than a USB-C connector.
3:58 - So, everything has been changed to USB-C. I truly believe they will always, and I mean ALWAYS have a port available as a backup. The AirPods case was also changed to USB-C.
We used to have different electrical outlets in our homes before they were standardized. All other electronics manufacturers decided to use USB-C, Apple refused and forced the EUs hand
Patently untrue. Currently, every country has its own standard. There are certain things that hold true in multiple countries, like Britain's 3-prong outlet being adopted in other countries -- they use the same deal in Singapore. However, my country uses the two-prong flat pin, and I've still seen electronics and appliances that have the 2 rounded pins. There are also 3-pins, both with flat and rounded pins. Some flat pins are angled. This is the reason why you have to buy _universal_ outlets which can accommodate everything --- well, at least _almost_ everything but the UK standard, which requires its own outlet.
Is it just me or does yourself and so many other here lack common sense…….. My iPhone charger is USB-C with a lightning port adapter, been like this for years…….
@@tears2040 are you talking about an iPad or some other device? Cause currently there are no unmodified iphones with usb c connector, or are you being sarcastic?
I'm sure you don't remember this but when I graduated in 01', I remember that just about every single cell phone had its own unique changing plug. I think it went by manufacturer, but even then some same brands had a different plug. I thought it was the greatest thing when the first mini USB plug started showing up on a lot of new products.
The USA car charging dock market is in complete Chaos because their companies want propriotary plugs, in Europe the Government legislated for the use of standardised ports... hence why the USA has a problem with charging stations and Europe doesnt
Hi there, great video as always! But, if I may, I think you forgot one detail, again pushed by the EU: repairability. If your iPhone dies, or any other smartphone, basically every diagnostic test is made by attaching the device to the testing machine, or computer, or whatever...by cable. Going "full wireless" or "cable-less" would go against (part of) the EU laws of repairability...
How do you diagnose a smartwatch then? You connect it to another device via wifi. Or if not then it's dead. But the point is that there are already many devices that are already portless and are not against the EU law.
My only issue with MagSafe is I need a LoveHandle loop on the back of my phone to help me hold it and that interferes with the charging puck. A lot of cases are not MagSafe compatible too. I’d love to reduce the holes in my phone, but needing the majority of the back to be basically clear-ish is asking a lot imo
What's great about using USB-C is that as long as the next changes don't change the connector, a USB 4 or 5 or 6 cable and charger will be backwards compatible.
Exactly. USB-C has already evolved since its inception. By making that connector the standard, it ensures that progress is directed towards it, rather than dispersed across a bunch of proprietary connectors, just for the sake of locking people to their thing. There really should be far more regulated standardisation like this, but it is tricky to know when to bring it in. Electric vehicle charging could have really done with it early on yet still doesn't really have it (though thankfully there's not been too much diversification). It's not difficult to make a forward looking standard with redundancy now that can be used in the future. Eventually things will need a clean-sheet redesign as it becomes too difficult to fit the latest stuff into decades old form factors, but that can be worked on for several years with industry groups to bring it about.
Yup, the new thunderbolt protocol will use the same USB-C connector and get double the speed of the protocol that came before it. I think MKBHD misses this point. And realistically the transfer speeds of new thunderbolt standards are way higher than anyone is going to need for consumer gadgets anytime soon. Maybe one day data transfers will be so intensive that USB-C connectors won’t cut it, but that day isn’t any time soon. Standardizing on one connector for consumer gadgets is a great thing
@@ChrispyNut in Europe there is also a unified standard for electric car charging connectors. This means that any electric car can use any charging station
Our apps would take too long to run wireless only. So we should get either a very robust wireless solution or move to USB-C, which is a very welcome change. Not to mention high res videos, take forever to transfer so we need higher speeds!
@@azero79 if you own a cellular phone, there are apps on that phone. Apps don't magically appear out of thin air, people have to make them. Did you really not know that?
It’s just kinda ridiculous that we’ve gone from companies actively wanting and trying to improve their technology, to having governments literally force companies to make “improvements” they should’ve made a long time ago.
What? It was about taking more money the whole time. It just got harder to improve things so they found ways to make more without improving anything. Like Adobe or Autodesk.
We are talking about Apple here... They genuinely have held tech back for decades now. I remember them patenting rectangles with curved edges, then suing other tech companies that made products shaped like rectangles with curved edges... Or how about when they stole Qualcomm's chipset tech, gave it to intel, had them produce a new chip from it, then patented it... yeah, that happened.
@@chumbaman777 I agree that the patenting and other moves have been evil/annoying/stupid. But I don‘t see how they have held tech back for decades. First of all they have only been relevant for ~2 decades. (Since the iPod) And only been market dominating for ~15 years. During which we have seen an insane boom in technology unlike anything before. Doesn‘t look like holding back, to me.
@@leonmuller8475 1. 2 decades is still decades 2. Before that they were relevant with the iPod they had Macintosh computers. 3. Macintosh (and Windows) as an idea was stolen from Xerox who had already built a gui and everything for their system before the ideas for Windows and Macintosh became a thing. Xerox was showing off this idea and looking for investors when Bill Gates and Steve Jobs stole it. 4. A boom in the market doesn't mean that the technology itself has taken a step forward. 5. I would call what Apple does masked innovation. They do not invent. Basically they take something someone else invented and change the color of the gui etc etc. 6. I want you to list technological breakthroughs that they have made in the past 20 years. Then tell me if these breakthroughs are worth billions of dollars or have really done much for the tech industry as a whole. Off the top of my head I can think of 3.
@@cabobs2000 Well yes, but Apple's entire brand IS innovation. That's supposed to be one of their core values. So their "innovation" (really just re-branding already-existing technology) stagnating is huge for apple and their brand. The reason people feel dissapointed and lied to is that this company promised to make their products better and more innovative. In reality, Apple consumers are faced with being ignored when it comes to implementing features they want, overpriced products that are nowhere near cutting-edge in concept or performance, an ecosystem that makes it incredibly difficult to transition out of Apple and a company that ACTIVELY makes it impossible to fix any issues on their hardware. You're right, Apple has had these issues fromt he beggining, but they're becoming more apparent now as the "wow factor" wears off from having something Apple like 20 years ago. It's like when you start noticing all the faults in you girlfriend after the honeymoon phase wears off and they start to become real issues
this isn't just about charging, it affects anything that needs to plug into the port, from external batteries to docks and accessories, all of which can be made multiplatform with relative ease if there is just one physical interface type to deal with. this way you can use your wired headphones on both your ipad and your iphone without the need for adapters and dongles, you only need one cable to charge both your macbook and your iphone and wireless keyboard and mouse.
My car. I will need to buy a new car in order to use Bluetooth CarPlay. My car is a mid-tier 2021 model and I can only use CarPlay with a Lightning cable. Given the choice of buying an car and buying a new phone, I won't lose any sleep over the decision.
@@mihirojha4475 Hi, Mihir. It has USB-A and I use a USB-A to Lightning cable. My car will not do wireless CarPlay, so if my phone has no cable ports, I won't be able to use it with my car's display.
@@eshafto ohh, okay. Yeah, even my dad's car (which is now 10 years old) has the USB A port, which is great as it's still a relevant port. Thank you for clarifying!
This has been said for a long time anyway. When they announced this possibility years ago, even I said they were more likely to go wireless than usbC and everyone said it was not possible lol
I wanted to say "What about troubleshooting over the cable when the device won't turn on?" , and it just popped to me, Apple will probably make you bring the phone in for absolutely every little reason and enjoy service costs and insurance money, they could simply connect to the phone directly through the motherboard, which would cancel your warranty if you did it yourself.
I love how MKBHD thinks that apple is going to "give you the Mag safe charging puck in the box" They're probably going to give you nothing but the phone in the box and you have to buy the magsafe puck separately
It depends on how much they want to push MagSafe. The added cost to them for the industry to accept MagSafe as the new standard (which they have patented and get a cut off MagSafe certified products like the lightning cable I am sure) may be a net benefit
Whilst preaching about the environment... but yeah it's why I've been unsubscribed from him for a while now he just seems to shill apple and either naively or willfully ignores reality
A couple of others have already raised this in comment chains, but the big obstacle I see here is CarPlay-they've made a huge push in this regard and at this point the vast majority of new/late model cars have CarPlay support, but only via wired connection in most stock head units and budget to mid-range aftermarket alternatives. Given how few people actually upgrade their car's stock media systems and the age of the average car, going wireless without a CarPlay solution would be a tough sell.
Interestingly enough Apple has already patentend a magsafe charger to also have data transfer, so then you'll just plug in the mag safe connector to your car.
Car manufacturers are already expanding car play's usage to the instrument panel. I'd imagine going forward that car play won't just be an add-on, but a core component of the vehicle which would off load some of the data for phones.
Big issue is i have a wireless carplay head unit but i can't use it because my new car (along with many new cars) has a weird oversized media centre with wired carplay and it won't fit. Car manufacturers will have to release new models with wireless support or go back to using a standard size unit.
I kinda did too, but magsafe/anywireless charger is so inefficient that i'd rather plug in for 15min than wireless charge for 2 hours. Except apple didnt give us faster charging.....
I agree with letting the industry figure out a unified solution to charge port standards, but that already happened. EU had such a law in place for a decade, but since the industry didn't manage to unify the standard by itself, EU went ahead and made it explicit on what the standard should be. Great video as always, but I wish you added this history from the EU side.
Actually, the industry managed this just fine. Well, most of the industry at least. Except for Apple. The EU stance has been (since 2009!) that they would prefer an industry driven solution over a prescriptive law and that they would only write that law if that didn't happen. Apple is the main reason this became law in the first place...
@@foobar8894 This, it's even weirder that Apple would complain and give "it would increase e-waste" as an excuse, considering they currently have a mismatch of ports across their devices with MacBooks and iPads adopting USB-C and Thunderbolt while iPhones and AirPods are still stuck with Lightning, forcing you to have two types of cables with you if you want to travel and charge.
@@G1NZOU Especially when 5 years ago they release a macbook pro that ONLY has thunderbolt type C ports, when type A was still an everyday use for almost everyone, talk about creating e-waste. Everyone was forced to buy dongle for everything they needed to plug in. And great... I'm now happy they pushed everyone to USB-C and thunderbolt on USB-C, because it is superior. But then they spout this hypocritical nonsense about changing the port would create too much e-waste, blah, blah. The first year they take away the type A charging block in the box, they also start including a type C to lighting? WTF? I can charge everything I own with one cable except the iphone, and the airpods. I have to keep buying special cables just for them (because BTW apple lighting cables have a pretty short lifespan, anyone have an apple branded cable that isn't frayed at the strain relief) They can do what they want, but I am absolutely sick of hearing the e-waste argument.
@@jeffmattheson yeah, it's backwards as hell. I really like being able to take my USB-C phone charger and charge both my phone and my Bose headphones, it just makes sense.
I have wireless charger for the past 3 years for android and 90% of the time I use wired. It is just efficient, one cable for all my devices when I travel. Apple just doesn't want to give that flexibility it seems :)
@@Adolar andriod already have wireless, it's just any phone aren't still there to go portless due to inefficiency of wireless charging, it loses most energy to heat and slow charging too, also data transfer speed is a other thing. Idk how they gonna get better speeds without wired but hey we gotta wait and see.
@@Adolar many android phone has wireless charging but the brand also knew they don't use it so many chose not to include it to maybe put something else in plus wireless charging = u need to buy extra wireless charging pad android phone don't even include it in the box
USB literally means Universal Serial Bus, so the EU regulations are more pointed in the direction of getting tech companies to use the port/cable that is designed to be a standard solution to all electronics. The "C" part of "USB C" in the regulations is just there because currently USB C is the latest version of said standardized technology. Obviously the regulations will evolve when technology evolves, so read the regulations like this: we want all technology to have the SAME port/charger. That's a clear win imo and will definitely have larger impact on sustainability then Apples ungrounded claims.
They are just saying that to dissuade people, they could have switched to USB C years ago. They didn't want to switch because of MFI certification. They claimed it would create a lot of ewaste, but that e-waste wouldn't exist if they simply switched earlier.
@@k4rim799 You mean a company with common sense, I've never seen or heard of a company worth anything that doesn't make their lawyers + 10 others check speechs well in advance
The moment you said apple wants to remove the charging port completely I had to look up if it waste power. The result I found may be a little dated, but we lose 20-30%. Also most of the power lost is converted to heat which can further slow down charging as it will slow down to protect the battery from heat dmg.
@Jedaro a lot of apple users are "business" kokain junkies with not much time (except showing of their iphone) at hand, so only being able to charge it wirelessly slow or not even at all ("can I charge my iphone here? no?") is going to hit them:D
@Jedaro well I do speak of experience here too (for all of it:D) I provide lightning chargers on the table/on the seats of our weekly hold em gathering (as much as I hate that already, but when I installed them I wasn't aware of the BS statement lightning is gonna become...) but I for sure won't provide whatever wireless BS apple is cooking these days just because they decided to avoid the ALREADY INSTALLED charger EVERONE ELSE ON THE FIN PLANET BUT THEM uses. god, how much I disrespect this company these days.
One issue with wireless charging is the inefficiency. I'd be interested to see if it's worse environmentally through more unnecessary energy use. It's also a lot slower. Plus, it heats the device up which probably degrades components faster.
Yeah, another problem is Apple leads the industry for some reason. Samsung make fun of them, and then do the same thing in a year or two. With 4 billion active smartphone users charging their phones every day, 40% efficiency wireless vs 95% efficiency gallium nitride chargers is going to have an insane environmental impact. Wireless charging encourages not using a case which is going to increase replacements. I'm pretty sure this is intentional, apple wants to do this because it will increase their bottom line. Phones will last a year before the battery goes caput lol
@@jimj2683 WTF are you talking about? there are on avg 1+billion iPhone, if each of them takes 15w for wireless but its only 40% efficient that means you are pulling an extra 22.5W overtop of what a cable would pull (37.5W from the wall). that is 22,500 MW of extra power that needs to be generated. if it takes 2 hours to charge the phone that is 45GWh per day extra, this is 1/4 of the entirety of Canada's power grid. Zero effect on the environment? you clown, where is your power coming from?
@@jimj2683 look up transfer efficiency on the wireless power consortium. It is not 0.(however many zeroes)1%. You're speaking out of your expertise. The MagSafe isn't two free coils with vacuum or ferromagnetic material in-between. There is bound to be loss due to misalignments and basically whatever material the iPhone and charger is made of. Neither is it significantly convenient as compared to walking around a room while having your device charging from air waves. You simply do not care. That doesn't mean others shouldn't. Edit: It is also not negligible on global environment scales. Single use plastics were negligible in the past and way more convenient, as a species, shouldn't we have learnt our lesson? Real world efficiency of wireless charging is not just slightly more inefficient than wired charging. It is significantly more inefficient than wired charging.
They’ve moved the base iPad over to USB-C now. I get Magsafe is a thing, but if they’re going through the effort to move everything else to it, they may already have the customers who already own a USB-C cable because of their iPads
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense for them to keep just the iphone on its own connector when literally everything else uses usb-c, even their other things.
@@thekwoka4707 the iphone is the core of their ecosystem, keeping iphone on a proprietary charging system makes it so that you still need to rely on apple for charging the core of your apple devices which is smart from a business perspective
@@DvanceI agree as I don’t really transfer any info from my phone aside from upgrading to a new phone so if they made wireless charging way better it’d be nice to have a port less phone so I don’t have to worry about the port getting damaged or dirty
8:24 "the problem is mandating USB-C instead of giving an overall goal like unified charging" That was 2009. In *Anno Domini Two Thousand And Nine*, the EU came an official agreement with almost all major phone manufacturers to standardize charging. They chose not to make it an official law for the exact same reasons you mentioned. They tried to do the right thing, and Apple took that as permission to clown on us for 15 years straight.
@@foobar8894 There's already a de facto standard for wireless charging-Qi charging. The iPhone has supported it for more or less as long as it has supported wireless charging at all.
You could be right about magsafe, but I think you're wrong about the dates. All the press release about the law say it applies to "products sold in 2025" which is very different from "new products released in 2025". Apple probably wants to have a last-gen phone to sell at a discount in Jan 2025, which would mean releasing a compliant phone in 2023. I couldn't find the relevant section of the statute to confirm this though.
Or they could just only sell the newest phone in the EU, and say blame your leaders...Many other companies don't sell the older version of their product at a discount.
I like the idea of making a standard port, like has anyone been in a situation where you forgot your charger and your friends are using android... the pain
The thing with a portless iPhone is that the port doesn’t just function as a charging port. You can use it to connect adapters that allow for card reader, thumb drive and usb mic connections, to name only a few use cases. While the market for adapter users might sound small, I see each of these benefitting budget-minded podcasters, video bloggers and micro-bloggers (TikTok, IG), so it’s certainly something they should consider. If they came up with a wireless port adapter to replace these older adapters, that would be a brilliant solution.
I know a lot of devices already use wi-fi for transfer. Printers, cameras, etc, so that's definitely one way. I for one have a Canon camera, and while I use USB-C to take photos from the camera to Mac, if I'm on my phone (Android), I use an app to connect to the camera, and can use it as a remote, or transfer files. And while printers still use wifi, it's a bit different. With a printer (at least ones I've used), you connect it to the same network as the computer or phone (like your home wi-fi, or office network), and it finds the devices on your network, where cameras create a wi-fi signal that you find in your settings, and then connect to it as if it were your network. The main drawback is that you can't use wi-fi for internet if you're using it for file transfer, but most of us have big enough data plans that it doesn't matter. I could see a mic being an issue as wireless charging does make a hum that could get in the way, but most bluetooth headsets and speakers have mics built in, so that might be the way to go.
I shoot with my DSLR and use a card reader adapater to transfer photos to my phone right on location quickly. Don’t want to see a world where I can’t do that.
The interesting part of this whole thing to me is that Apple already includes USB-C in the iPad already. One of their highest selling products behind their smartphones. I don’t see the transition to wireless charging happening within the next two years so essentially they’re forced to comply
Apple would rather fuck loyal customers over than be on the same level as other companies. Thats just an unfortunate reality..... Two years is more than enough time for them to say fuck it and switch it up much like phones coming with no headjack so that a year later they could sell the fuck out of air pods. They claim this shit is innovation but its bullshit marketing to sell even more of their own products. NOT TO MENTION the MFI thing he was talking about that they made millions off of because of the exclusivity. If you wanted to make money you had no choice but to fork some over to apple. They would not willing give something like that up.
This confuses me too, however I think iPad being USB-C is mainly for compatibility to their Mac series of laptops and desktop systems. If you've got a Mac Pro 5K and want to use your iPad Pro as a 2nd screen, 1 cable connects it and also charges the iPad at the same time. Of the people that own iPhones, only a select percentage own an iPad and a smaller percentage of that also own a Mac. Most iPhone people I know use Windows.
@@dylandajhharwood5566 Nah, I guess 20-25% of iphone people use MacOS. The rest use windows .. Maybe you aren't from America or never seen the scenario there..(ofcourse windows is better). Funny how people keep whinning about ecosystem when Samsung is the best phone for compatibility with windows due to Samsung-microsoft partnership.. And the latest cross platform quick share which allows them to get quick share like speed (or nearby share and air drop like speed) for cross platform file transfer..even Samsung to iOS..
@@dylandajhharwood5566 USB-C also allows creators to hook up external hard drives to the iPad, and I don't think anyone needs that on an iPhone. lol. I'm kind of peeved that I'll have to toss all of my lightning chargers. Why not just leave the iPhone the way it is? I just find the whole thing ironic, complaining that people have to get new chargers, but then forcing people to get new chargers.
I liked the Lightning port when it came out as it was robust and could be plugged in in any direction. But today it's just annoying how many different cables you have to pack when you travel. Yes the USB-C port will at some point also be old and not up to the latest features - but at least its a sturdy connector, can be plugged in in both directions, can be used to charge any phone, any tablet, powerbanks, laptops, headphone etc. so I need one (!) cable in my luggage, backpack, car, desk or similar. By adding wireless charging we are at the same situation again that I have just another cable I have to buy and lying around everywhere (or take everywhere). So wireless charging is an additional thing which is nice but still annoying in day to day use in combination with other devices which need to be charged.
@@Utubesuperstari dont think i ever had seen the usb c itself broken (And i use really old phone). The cable itself on the other hand usualy made out of guano i saw being broken a lot.
@Noah Raines they make the cable side of the connector weaker. It's easier and cheaper to replace a cable than to open up the phone and change that connector.
For that specific goal (reducing e-waste right now, not in 10 years), governments HAD to be very prescriptive. We already have a better charging cable that's used by basically everyone except Apple. We already have the industry standard, it's just that one company refuses to use it because money. I'm pretty sure if Apple was on USB-C, this law wouldn't exist. It wouldn't need to. They refused to use the best technology to preserve their 10% on everything Lightning, so we just forced them 🤷♂ We'll have all the time to move on from USB-C whenever it's obsolete, but we're not there yet.
This was a very solid critical analysis of the media coverage over this situation. I suspect a lot of consumers would prefer USB-C. As a tinkerer, I greatly prefer devices that have ports capable of data transfer. Wireless data transfer is fine, but it may require a certain level of integration with the Operating System to use, whereas a wired data connection can open the doors for things like modifying the iPhone. Apple hates it, but some people like to experiment.
I’ve been contemplating switching to android for years now, but if they did this, I would absolutely bite the bullet and go for it. I have so many apps and devices (typically for audio) that require wired connections that it would actually be a downgrade.
@@whoknows4122 the hell you on about? I've used samsungs since the Galaxy S4 (S4, Note 7, S7, S9+, S22 Ultra), and not had any notable lag issue with any of them
Like Ali Chehab said, data transfers and debugging/restoring is going to be interesting. It’s possible that if they drop lightning and go solely MagSafe for charging they could add a variation of iPads Smart Connector for data transfers and debugging purposes. However I don’t know everything about the EU USB-C dilemma and it wouldn’t be a viable option.
The thing with apple is that the users having no accessible port to restore the phone is not a problem for them. They'd prefer you not to touch it and send the phone to them to fix anyway.
@@SyukriLajin But it'd get a big problem, because everyone who wants to restore their iPhones or even need a repair that could be done with iTunes, woud go to their Stores; that's a great amount of people. If they're busy with actual demand, imagine with this... I guess they wont do that.
You think that apple actually debugs their phones? My iphone broke because of a software update. When I took it to the apple store, they just gave me a new phone and didn't even transfer my data...
I remember a time where I had tons of different charging cables. There where the old barrel plugs from Nokia, the weird ones from Sony-Ericsson, another special one from Alcatel, etc. and at some point Nokia introduced a new style of connector. It was messy and there was a lot of e-waste. Back then, the EU had plans to reduce e-waste, so they talked to the industry and told them to all agree on a common connector type, which didn't really work of course until the EU told them, that if they don't agree on a standard on their own, they will pass legislation which will force them to do so. That helped and all manufacturers agreed on using the same style of charger for their phones, USB micro B. But that was only limited to smartphones, tablet sometimes still used proprietary charging ports and a lot of other electronic devices as well. Some at least used USB mini B receptacles but I have seen some odd ones which where definitely USB but which I can't even recognize. But the big elephant in the room was Apple. They persistently refused to align with the other manufacturers and baked their own cake. While they always talked about technical limitations and how they couldn't charge their phones as quickly if they hadn't used their proprietary lightning connector, about how the data transfer rate would be lower and how they wouldn't be able to make their devices as thin, other manufacturers have proven that they can to all those things. As lightning is proprietary with the patents and designs owned by Apple, they could exercise some level of control on accessories. They could ask for license fees and when that didn't work they introduced their mfi certification program. So they have a big financial interest in sticking to their own connector instead of switching to the open standard USB type C connectors. And I think that's the main reason for their reluctance to switch to it. One of the arguments Apple still brings up against USB-C is that it will cause a lot of e-waste if all of their customers need to switch to new peripherals now. But that happened already when they switched from their old 30-pin dock connector towards the lightning one. They never complained about e-waste back then. And as you mentioned in your video, lightning is quite old and is becoming more and more oitdated. So if it weren't for the EU, I wouldn't have been surprised for Apple to introduce a new proprietary standard in the future. Even as a non-Apple user I'm looking forward to this new regulation as it will also affect other areas. My next wireless earbuds will be chargeable via USB-C, so no need to carry an extra USB micro B cable just for them. I will be able to attach the Logitech unifying receiver dongles to my smartphone without issues. And I'm already enjoying that I can charge my laptop and my phone with the same charger.
Its even funnier that they say "going USB-C will produce a lot of e-waste", like come on, isnt going portless do the same thing? People upgrading from 11-14 will have to throw away the lightning cables, which is guess what? E-waste. I love how hypocritical they are. It's e-waste if it hurts their revenues. It's innovation if it adds to their revenue sources.
USB B (micro and then mini) technically was enforced by Android, aka Google. There was nothing mandatory about chargers. Obviously even now, all of this could have been avoided by enforcing smartphone recycling: you get a new one, if you hand in the old one. As well as the charger! Give the old one,get a new one! Also, no tablets at that time, only some failed attempts from Microsoft. Moreover, YES until some years ago, USB C had limitations that lightning could easily overcome. It's a silly attempt from EU, that once again focusing on the problem and not the solution.
Exactly, the EU already gave phone companies a chance to figure out a standard amongst themselves and Apple didn't play ball. The EU is only mandating because Apple gave them no other choice.
USB-C will be a mainstay for many, many years. It's a dynamic standard that's near the limits of what's possible for a compact connector while still remaining durable enough to withstand abuse. USB Type A has sufficed for nearly 20 years before C came along, and that was during a time where innovation was moving much quicker and consumer demands where higher for such an interface. The USB-C port already far exceeds the needs of any consumer smartphone and likely will for the foreseeable future. The only viable reason I can't think of USB-C being the optimal connector for small consumer electronics for the next 20 years is A. size and cost of implementation on extremely cheap products and B. durability. A barrel jack plug will always outlast a USB-C plug.
the great thing with barrel jacks being more durable is, you can have both! i am writing this on a dell rugged laptop that can be charged with usb c for convenience on the go so that i only need one charger and with a replaceable barrel jack at home and at work where i can just have chargers ready. and of cause you can and apple actually at least used to in macbooks make usb c plugs replacable to prevent that from becoming an issue.
1. They'll also need to improve wireless transfer speeds to that people transfer the sweet GBs of ProRes videos to their Mac without pulling their hair off. And pray also that the transfer doesn't get cut off suddenly withou you knowing. 2. Wireless charging will mean people have to get used to holding the phone and charger together to use the phone. 3. Many accessories that need the port will no longer work.
This was the logical next step and the world will be better off for it. The latest USB specifications (USB4) support 240W (48V @ 5A) for charging and 120Gbit/s for data transfer. That's more than enough juice to power a gaming laptop and much faster speed than any consumer broadband connection in the developed world. The universal connector will eliminate the need to have a different cable for every device, and best of all... it's backwards compatible which means a newer cable will always work with an older device and vice versa. This will lead to some confusion in the short term, but people will adapt. Newer standards and better naming conventions will continue to improve USB for decades to come. Apple is just upset because they're gonna lose out on some millions, but they need to suck it up and get aboard with the program. E-waste is a massive problem worldwide.
Apple is SURRRE one to talk about e-waste, considering that: A. They do less about it compared to other tech companies, actually, they just brag about what they do (which half the time saves THEM money, cough cough charger in box) way dispositionately more. Their ad budget is probably destroying the planet more than they are helping it lmao B. Their accessories and cables are literally designed with maximum planned obsolescence in mind. Their cables are well known to dicintigrate into dust after a few years, and their accessories are all made to die, and not have replaceable batteries. It doesn't have to be like this. Some wireless buds ex. Sony's, and MOST Bluetooth headphones except for Apple's overpriced and overrated tin cans, are designed to have replaceable batteries. And some smart watches like the Galaxy Watch line are held together with... Not permanent adhesive designed intentionally to destroy the watch if you try to open it, but... *Gasp* SCREWS. Easily removable ones. And yet the GW series are thinner and sleeker than Apple Watches with longer battery life. So I don't wanna hear any BS about permenant adhesive making things thinner and better.
@@trashofthefourthquarter1142 Haha yeah true, it can be as bad as worse than 50% efficiency. Half your electricity is just... Going into the void. (Well becoming heat mostly, to be exact) Makes it even more hypocritical that they want to push this as the future... For no real reason other than it looks kinda neat and, of course, "courage" (aka, makes us more money on accessory sales)
I think they WILL update the law as the technology evolves. Appliances like fridges and vacuum cleaners have energy labels in the EU - those are updated from time to time, too, to keep up with technological advancements. What gets an A label today will only get a B or C label after the next update.
@@MikeSpille the thing is the EU actually proved they update regulations. The energy regulations have ready been updated at leat two times. There was the first regulation with categories A-F, then they updated it with the A+ and A++ categories, and a couple of years ago they completely revamped the regulation with new standards with categories A-G. The EU is not your average government. They are ahead of most governments when it comes to technology. So yes, expect them to revise the standard after some years.
I feel like another thing to consider with wireless is the vehicles that only offer wired CarPlay. A lot of people have purchased or upgraded cars due to the convenience of car play and I feel that could really mess things up for the people that regularly use car play.
That is true. One of my reasons buying the car I did was because of that. But I do think they make an adapter to plug into your car that you pair with your phone to use CarPlay wirelessly. Never tried it though and it would suck to buy it but there’s still a way to have it
At the same time, I think that mandating usb type-c could breed a lot of innovation and investment into the type c connector. I’m not sure how close we are to the technical limits of what we could make a type c connector do, but tbh I don’t think there are any Apple products affected by this that could ever possibly be stifled by this new rule. I think Apple just doesn’t like the precedent it sets, and doesn’t like losing their MFI program money.
My MacBook Pro charges just fine with a USB-C, and I can also use it to drive a couple monitors. The connector is fine, Apple themselves are using it, heck they were the ones pushing for it when they removed USB-A from MacBooks. Refusing to put it on the iPhone (when the iPad has it) would just show how petty they are. My MacBook charger will charge my Thinkpad (from 2017), my Android phone, my Android tablet, but it won't charge an iPhone. So dumb.
Or more likely, stagnate since they cannot go out of the box and think different, like many small companies are want to do.. Your boxed into a single way now, and to even change it you have to get legislators off their ass and change it.. how 'easy' do you think that will be.. NOT - I get people may not like apple, but this SUCKS for innovation.. and is a horrible president because it doesn't JUST impact big companies..
@@yessitsme6884 USB-C is not as durable of a connector as lightning. The advantages that USB-C has over lightning are of very marginal utility on a phone. Apple is just using the connectors that make the most sense for each product. Use the more durable connector on the product whose ports get abused more. Use the higher bandwidth and wattage connector on devices that benefit a lot from more bandwidth and wattage.
It’s just a connector that you can add any function to. How it’s implemented is what matters. So Apple can make it the fastest, bestest, most amazing data transfer miracle cable on the market if they want that also only does the absolute base level usb2.0 charging and data transfer with non Apple devices. Edit. Hell they could probably even add an Mfi cert to a usbc cable as long as it was to implement some sort of Apple specific function.
It gives real satisfaction to see Nations saying "no" to these mega-corporations. I want more of it.
There should be laws against mega-corporations for sure, but this one is totally unnecessary and not gonna solve any real issues. The fact that every once in a while you can't charge your phone because your friend has a Lightning cable and you need a Type-C is not a real issue, it's just an unnecessary 'fuck you' to big corporations.
Politicians aren't engineers and the government doesn't make anything
@760futura How is USB C flawed? It should be the standard rather than crappy proprietary ports just so Apple can make more money at the expense of the consumer and the environment.
@760futura They are free to say that. But then they can say goodbye to the European market. I hope that corpos being more powerful than governments will only be a thing of dystopian media.
And to see the big corporations then complain about being regulated. It's really the best
The EU basically did say "just come up with a unified cable" a number of years ago.
The industry responded and chose of their own valition type-c, but it was just apple refusing to play ball because they were making money
As I have, and will ALWAYS say, FUCK APPLE!!
so another companies basically dumb and they dont have tecnologie like lightning .....
why the hell apple have to listen any countries they saying to them what they do !
you are just kid you want usb-c everywhere how do you know is better for all device
why apple have play ball with another companies
Its just disgusting really. In every certified lightning cable, there is a tiny chip from apple that costs money. Counterfeit cables won’t work after 1 update. Apple is making huge money in this and they won’t do anymore when going the more superior usb c. Its not about the costumers, its about the money
USB C is supposed to a a uniform standard but the only thing that’s standard is the connector shape. A lot of usb C do not support the various functionalities they’re supposed to be able to support.
@@Dmxravin USB C has a lot of substandards which are opt-in and makes everything more complicated.
The EU directive is pretty flexible in that it is actually published by an apposite team working on this, which is set to re-evaluate the market and update the directive every 5 years i think, which would see the connector change if a new one is developed that has advantages. EU tried telling the market "hey, it would be nice to have everyone on the same connector so that chargers are compatible" and that's the reason why almost all android phone had mini USB, but guess who didn't jump on board and forced the law to be so prescriptive?
This. You framed my thoughts perfectly. It's only the MFI program revenue that they're thinking of.
The EU is a lot less dysfunctional than the US when it comes to governing over things like this. I think Americans assume that these sort of choices coming from a government are always bad when they aren’t.
yeah, kinda disappointed he skipped that, he's too big of a youtuber to omit facts like that
Yea exactly, it isn't the EU being strict because they want to be strict, it's the EU being strict because big bully Apple forced them to be strict. I mean if what Marques speculates actually happens (and I'm 90% sure it will) they will still stick to making their own proprietary products because money.
nonsense. who's coming out with a new standard when they ruined all the competition? This is how we get stuck with garbage for a long time. The standard is going to be EU approval rather than pure improvement through competition. It's like no one has lived through a government standards change and expects them to work closely with Apple and Google to come up with something. Get used to USB-C on a permanent basis
It's stupid that they argue about e-waste. Requiring an entirely different cable for their products is much more wasteful than standardizing.
This has nothing to do with e-waste. The EU is spewing a huge number of these regulations to try to suck money out of the USA, like they have been for 80ish years. Just parasites.
Let’s not mention how anti-repair apple is.
This was the exact reason electronics stopped having their own types of connectors a long time ago. They were all forced to standardize to cut down e-waste, and it was better for the consumer because you could finally charge any type of device you had at a friends place cause everything was standardized.
Ikr, especially how apple doesn’t come with a charger or headphones included making you buy them packaged separately, they not even have a headphone jack forcing you to buy new wireless ones if you don’t have them already, they make their phones almost impossible to repair without going to an apple store where most of the time they’ll just tell you to get a new phone anyway, and forcing people to use a different cable for apple phones than everything else makes so much more waste as you need to buy twice as many cables! It’s so fucking hypocritical.
Not to mention, they’re cables are weaker and much more susceptible to damage as well!
Wireless charging seems to be worse for the environment for now. It doesn't provide the same amount of energy as it sucks out of the wall, so much waste.
Also, you still need to carry a whole charging dock, maybe mini but still. I think they have to follow and go for usbc, because wireless is not really wireless 😅
Exactly. Even though I’m happy with 15-20W charge speeds, I see no reason to make all that extra heat between the coils when I can have a nice cool connector.
In fact the only times I ever even consider wanting a wireless charger are when my phone got wet and it won’t let me charge until it’s dry. But that’s infrequent enough that I’m not spending money for that scenario.
I think most people who have used wireless charging can attest to how shit it actually is, especially in Magsafe's case. Magsafe is literally less efficient, slower WIRED charging with a worse location on the phone. You don't get rid of any wires at all!
No energy is wasted at all. ALL DEVICES pull current as needed. The only thing that is wasted is your time.
You also have to take off your case every single time you want to do it
@@firesurfer wireless charging is like 40-50% efficient. Meaning if you want to charge your 3000mAh battery, you will pull 6000mah at least.
USB-C is just the port shape, the data/charging part can keep being improved in subsequent USB versions or even another protocol entirely down the line. A good example would be thunderbolt which is a different protocol to USB but uses USB-C as the standard for the physical port itself.
people seem to miss that point
You make an excellent point
I wouldn’t be surprised if apple just have all future iPhones in the EU to have a USB C adapter that would be funny
this
No, there are limits to the port itself, lightning and micro usb(standard) physically cant use the usb 3 protocol, they dont have enough pins, same for power delivery, micro usb maxes out at 15w, since without enough metal to metal contact, too much power can melt the port.
The EU gave corporations push to standardise themselves years ago without forcing them into any standard! Even you mentioned it in video before. Most of corporations moved to USBC by themselves, Apple didn't and did not proposed any better alternative. So now its a law.
Apple didn't because they're waiting to go portless. It's the logical nextstep
@@alvareo92 Not even in 5-10 years. Wireless is still too slow
@@alvareo92
Since 2014?
@@Znarffi Wireless charging still wastes 50% of its energy to heat
@@mobimaks yeah if they do that all their talk of going green is bullshit (it already is but would be even more so)
5:23 I wouldn't be surprised if apple had the bright idea of not even adding a magsafe charger to their iPhone boxes at all.
I agree. I think they will get rid of the charge port and just say people have been wirelessly charging long enough that they don’t need to give you anything.
They need to supply their product with everything that it requires to keep it working. That means a cable or magsafe or whatever. I think there’s a law or something. Otherwise, they wouldn’t even give you a cable these days.
"e-waste"
You know they're going to
The thing is, USB-C is just a plug. The underlying technology (USB) will continue to evolve but there is nothing in sight so far that's indicating that the USB-C connector will hold future iterations of the USB protocol back. USB 4 will also use the USB-C connector and so will probably USB-B 5.
This exactly.
Its not "just a plug". its going to be the port on every phone for the next 5-10 years. It monopolized the global market through the law of one small geographical region. Monopolized markets are always bad. bad for prices and bad for innovation. regardless of the rest.
@@ChrisG1392 Lol
@@ChrisG1392 Do you know what "monopolized" even means?
@@ChrisG1392 "one small geographical region"... you do realize that the EU is bigger than the US??
It would be truly aggravating of Apple to ditch C and just go wireless. Compromising charging speeds, data transfers, accessories, etc. Crazy
Not to mention iPhone wallet cases. Having my wallet and phone together and also findable is more important than using an iPhone.
The wallet cases can’t use mag charging
they are that vain, and their fanbase is that gullible.
its gonna be so frustrating if we have to live with portless iphones for the newer models.
@@chedderburg That's a very good point in favor of keeping wired charging.
Yes I may finally buy an android if this actually happens. Biggest problem for me is listening to music in the car, going through Bluetooth just does not sound as good as having it wired!
I wouldn't be surprised if they made the phone not charge unless it were using an official mag safe charger
Bitch they anit gon even put one in the box and its gon be 140 and you can’t use anything else
That's impossible
That's not how induction works
@@pepeshadilay lol sure, impossible, wonder why MagSafe technology communicates device ID via NFC? It is easy to imagine that non "certified" charging devices have limits imposed by Apple.
Dunning-Kruger effect: you know the basics of how induction works, you think you know all the intricacies of how MagSafe (and Apple as a company) operates.
@@pepeshadilay It’s not impossible… the iPhone can do a wireless hand shake before it accepts power draw from the coils. This is actually exactly what the lightning port does as well. I don’t see you saying “pins are just copper, it’s impossible for Apple to make you use their cables” but they actually do license that connector because you need the microchip to do the handshake.
Apple had enough time to let their engineers "figure it out". I'm happy about the regulations and want more of them.
Just reminds me of classic Republican talking points & being ‘pro business’ at the expense of everyone else.
‘Keep the dang government outta business! It’s a free marketplace!’
‘Oh, your child has suicidal ideation due to their body not matching their gender? WE GOTTA GET MORE GOVERNMENT LAWS TO STOP THIS’
@@pasta-and-heroin governments job is also to protect the people from monopolies. Apple is literally where it is because it destroyed competition that wasn't free market at all it's slimmy bro
@@pasta-and-heroin So true. We should let children who can't legally drink be able to permanently sterilise themselves from the genepool. Now that i think about it, that's pretty environmentally friendly.
But but, it interferes with the engineers vision of a perfect product. Jk, the perfect throw away phone and 20+ accessories that go with it for the next year and a half.
By the way I'm an ANDROID user,but I still think the regulation sucks
I agree. But two things are on my mind:
1.) A wired connection will always be faster and less prone to interference (thing about fiber connections etc)
So if you film your maybe 8k HDR 120 fps with your iPhone 17, do you really want to transfer the data wirelessly ?
Also I think when it comes to charging, a wired connection is always better in efficiency. I like wireless charging but a cable will always be better in this regards
2.) I just like the idea of having one cable that can serve a lot. I'm at a friends house. Forget my charger. I can charge there with my friends usb-c.
This wireless charging tech from apple might be cool but... don't we all use the same plug at our outlets for every electronical device?
Isn't that great?
apple will 100% say instead of using wire transfer, use our cloud. Give us money and we give you cloud space.
Wired data transfer with lightning isn't even faster than wireless anymore. Still at USB 2.0 speeds.
The efficiency part is a big one imo. All iPhones using 20% more power just seems extremely wasteful to me from a 'green' company
I asked for a type C cable in my school's library about 2 weeks ago and they looked at me like I was crazy! Like, what the hell, type C works for basically all new electronic devices BUT iPhones.
Airdrop will be more important than ever. Each passing year there’s less reason to plug an iPhone to a cable. I only use cables on my iPhone 13 Pro Max only when I must. I use airdrop or cloud to transfer data and I use wireless charging to charge
@@serchnogues3880 America I guess(
Data transfers and debugging/restoring situations are what I'm more interested in looking at if they go wireless.
Airdrop lol
Removing charging port is just f**d up
@@kolaveri550 And if youre transferring to something thats not apple? Such as a windows pc?
agreed 100% but it's not apple if they don't do something outrageous just because "They Can".
@@kolaveri550 airdrop cant be used for restoring/debugging, as the feature works only when the phone is on. If Apple genius bar will have to open the phone for simple troubleshooting and repair, Apple is going to punish itself. For end users it's a big bummer as they have to rely on slow magsafe charging all the time. I don't see how it is an advancement, as we will be using a big puck instead of a small pin to charge the phones. Inconveniences charging the phone in car alone is a big step back. I know there are car holders with magsafe, but those don't allow good ventilation or make the experience easy.
There are USB outlets in buses, trains, metro, cafes etc. It's very convenient to carry a small wire everywhere and charge your phone whenever you need. It would be less convenient to cary a small puck.
Then they can move to wireless charging. Like all other tech, USB-C will become outdated. Standardizing it for the long term is just as bad as previous ports, because then it creates a monopoly. Instead of carrying a puck, you'll be carrying a wire with a USB-C adapter anyways. So not much would change by requiring USB-C. It would seem that the actual reason they are requiring USB-C is because they want to have a standardized system of spying on people, so that anywhere public you plug it in, they can be ensured they have access to your data. With different ports, this becomes much more difficult, especially when they want to do it without people realizing. So in order to easily exploit connections using a standardized easy to use program, they need all devices to be using the exact same type of ports.
Also imagine not being able to use the phone while charging...
Every phone has wireless charging its already an added feature.
Just think what's better; being able to charge wirelessly only or being able to charge wirelessly and wired both?
Of course both.
@@itsyoboigucci7578 THIS, ive been with apple my whole life but if they remove the charging port I’m switching to google or Samsung
How tf do u expect me to use my phone while wireless charging.
Especially if the battery has degraded and loses its charge quickly it means I can’t charge it on the go
@@itsyoboigucci7578 I use my phone while on a magsafe puck all the time. The puck stays attached to the phone
the biggest problem is that wireless charging actually has a wire... and an extra dock that we should carry with us. and on top of that it charges the phone more slowly. That sounds like a step backwards to me
And, what about data transfer?
It is a step backwards. Apple should just adopt USB-C.
@@CaitiffFTW all files sent do and from the iDevice will be routed through Apple (c) secured servers. ensuring no illegally downloaded entertainments hit your phone
and the wireless charging station will have to have a usb c port...
And them there Iphones die fast
The problem is the EU did just that. A decade ago they told the industry to create a standardized cable because, at the time, literally every phone (even by the same brand) had different cables. Everyone agreed to do so. Everyone followed through on their commitment, except 1. Thus this law was created to force compliance. This law was also created in such a way that it can update with the standards but anyone that things usbc is going to be replaced in a couple of years is crazy. USB A has existed for 30 years and is still going. USB C will suffice for charging device for many years. And don't forget, the company shouting about innovation is the one using a standard that hasn't changed in a decade. That still runs a pathetic wattage at usb2 data speeds. Lightning is about money and only money.
I was going to say exactly that. I think the idea that the government shouldn't be prescriptive when it comes to tech assumes that the industry plays in good faith, when that's rarely ever true, ESPECIALLY when it comes to Apple. The fact that Apple completely discarding wired charging is a realistic prospect - despite USB-C being a great connector type with blazing fast data transfer and charging speeds even by today standards - proves that.
I don’t blame the EU for taking action, but it’s a poorly worded law imo. Too prescriptive.
i am a libertarian so i disagree with the EU law. I don't believe governments have any place in mandating technology. i'm not affected by the lightning problem because i have no Apple products and I would never buy an Apple product. I think the correct solution is for everyone who doesn't like the lightning port to just not buy it.
@@tacokoneko Many people are mandated to use Apple products, and iPhones, as part of their jobs. Besides, your viewpoint assumes every consumer is perfectly rational (in the economic sense of the word) which is not the case.
@@stevethomas3502 it's prescriptive because Apple forced their hand... not the other way around, Apple decided to NOT play ball, then they are just forced to change, the cable will change with time if it's necessary, the tech industry has enough lobies in brussels to make it happen.
The EU directive already has a measure for future ports, they will change in conjunction with the USB implementers forum, of which basically all tech companies (apple included) are a part.
Thank you! This also kind of invalidates the only argument against it.
@@firefly323 yeah, everyone likes to crap on the EU, but they are the best in terms of regulations; setting the standards for the world.
@@firefly323 bogus. The fact is that monopolization kills innovation. It kills price competition and hurts consumers. Nothing can get around that fact. Consumers were better off with competing standards. If not for the competition we'd have USB-A or Micro-USB as the legal standard.
@@ChrisG1392 Did you read what they said? like at all? I bet you're American.
@@ChrisG1392 problem is Apple never had a competing standard. Absolutely nothing changed since the forst introduction of the lightining port and is exactly the very monopoly you hate, idiot. The physical port may be ubiquitous but speeds and the things that count change, same as the HDMI standard. Everybody benefits from this providing you know the speed and application of your cables, which quite honestly isn't hard and needs a bit of reform itself.
this didnt age well
They still can go full port less in 2017 :)
@@meg6pat Apple to invent time travel, confirmed.
No… no it didn’t. Except we might get port-less iPhones soon. That could definitely happen.
lol thankfully
The inefficiency of wireless charging is an interesting topic Imo. Sure, not meaningful to one person. But moving towards every phone wasting a little more energy across the world. I feel like there is a potential for it to ad up.
Yes, this is my feeling on wireless charging. Phones make the average person use less energy in the fact that they are designed to be efficient to last a long time on batteries. Reducing the efficiency by forcing wireless charging would be a bad deal.
It super annoying that companies are pushing worse technology because it looks cool. It takes zero effort to plug in a USB-c cable.
cause that couldn't be said for most things that use electricity
@@xe-wf5iv yeah surely it can't be anywhere near as good as a 2m cable with a 33w charger
nah they are all about the environment, right? they would never make a move that increases iPhones consumption of energy by 25%, right?
I think USB-C is going to stick around for a long while, because it can be improved while still having the same physical form factor, which I think most people agree is leagues better than previous generations.
Thanks. Everyone was waiting for you to weigh in before we made a decision.
@@MondoMiami Common small brain response
Yup.
@@MondoMiami cope?
@@MondoMiami Who's "we"
I mean we've had USB-A for more than 25 years now and it still remains as one of, if not, the most popular connector out there. With this law in place we could see the popularity of USB-C skyrocket and will continue to be used for a long time just like USB-A.
It will, but new innovative ports may come and the eu will miss out on this until they change their laws and means those port innovations will probably not come from europe
Eventually though it will hold back innovation.
Yes, assuming it’s not updated frequently which is likely, but I’d rather be optimistic that maybe they’re turning a new leaf
@@9852323 Cuz Apple has been very inovative for the past 15 years without this law😂 SFU
@FreezeFun I see what you're saying but I guess that's not the point. Imagine if in the '90 the EU had mandated USB A to be present on all devices. We wouldn't have seen lighting or USB C, and maybe smartphones would have to be 2cm thick in order to accomodate an USB A port.
I'm not one for apple, but the argument that such a regulation stifles innovation is definitely a sound one.
The problem with leaving it to the engineers is you end up with different ports...if they mandated all engineers need to agree on 1 port, that might make sense. But being that the largest portion of the market uses USB-C exclusively it makes sense for everyone to just switch.
They do and its not a mandate its called an engineering standard. Standards are what make the modern world possible. Apples ditches standards whenever they want to differentiate their products to make them seem more advanced, which from an engineer's POV is just silly. However, engineers don't sell phones, marketers do. Apple is the greatest marketing company since Phillip Morris which literally sold people death.
imagine all those MagSafe cables that need much more resources to be made instead of usual cables, really great for the environment
Less efficent way of charging wasting both time and electricity to charge and heat up devices giving them lower lifespans as well.
But don't worry apple isn't selling the brick in the box so the store you bought an brick from is actually the one affecting the environment negatively!
Has nothing to do with MagSafe
Imagine not buying a new phone until it breaks in four years because you have an otter box and screen cover. You can do this all day. No one need to live a comfortable life, but we all want to live them. You have to find a measure of what is a step too far and mag safe plugs is definitely not it and aren't going away. Those are on PCs and Macs.
Oh sorry I was thinking about the magnetic plugs not wireless charging. It should never be used. Bad for the battery inefficient and destroys the battery life. Apple always has to invent their own name for already existing everything.
LOL
What about plugging to the computer for data
Given USB-C is a connector standard I doubt very much it will fall out of date in the next few years. They've already updated the specification multiple times including just recently last month. The USB type A is still kicking after 26 years, it isn't as slow as it was back then because it was improved while keeping backward compatibility. Apple will do what it does but I suspect the inconveniences of wireless might bite them more than when they went that route for the headphone jack.
+1
Exactly, wireless always constitutes slower data transfer speeds, less reliable data transfer, it's more inefficient for charging, it's more expensive, and it in general just isn't that great. Plus, slapping a massive magnetic puck on the back of your phone is just the same if not worse then a cable and connector, because now you have this giant round thing on the back of your phone. Even with magnets aligning it, it's still a pain in the ass and makes things difficult. Apple really should just suck it up and make the USB-C iPhone everyone wants.
@@owmylehg7811agree wireless charging is ok while you thow your phone and dont use it (in car, or at night) and thats it.. 200w charging phone in 10min - that is the future.
Yeah, he and other youtubers are talking how "usb-c could be too slow in the future" while talking about lightning port that has usb 2.0 speed. Somehow they dont focus their reviews of the new iphone on the fact that it has painfuly slow port, because phones dont need that much speed. If you can live with usb 2.0 in phone now, you will for sure be happy with usb-c in 10 years.
I think what he means is before another big leap. Like how big of a leap it was going from micro to usb-c. Something that changes the form of the port, itself. Sure, USB A has went strong as a standard port, but the other end has commonly changed.
Mini USB was made in 2000
That became out of date when micro USB hit the stage in 2007.
The Type C replaced that one when it was officially finalized in 2014.
(Of course devices still come out with these older ports because they might not be technologically advanced enough to require a type-c, but a law like this is meant to change that)
As you can see, there's a trend. The last two leaps have been 7 years apart. Obviously there is the law of diminishing returns, so it might take longer and longer for big leaps to be made, but it has been 8 years since the standard of USB c was finalized. By the end of 2024, it'll be 10 years. Meaning if the trend continues, we will be overdue for another big leap, so it could happen any day from that point forward
I love how apple uses the term e-waste. They can make it mean literally anything they want it to mean.
If anything the Apple cables and phone connectors are more likely to go bad from corrosion due to tendency of super tiny junk being jammed into the iphone port. I've personally never seen a ruined USB C cable unless you purposely damaged it.
@@MrMega200 yeah. All of my friends' iphone cables got broken several times, mine also. Had no problem with my Type-C cables so far. So if they're talking about E-waste....
More like iWaste
@@johnybaby2 good one xd
yea and not standardizing cabling and ports creates more ewaste because households will need more different types of cables rather than reusing the same on for different devices. of course they'll say anything for their bottom line
Watching this on my 15 pro max while plugged into Samsung usb-c charger
Actually they gave the phone manufactorers time to unify their ports. However, since the outcome was apple:"great you can all use our outdated port", everyone else:"wtf - use USB-C", the EU decided its gonna be USB-C.
do you have a link for your source i cant seem to find anything about that. just curious btw
Yes the EU just forces apple to comply on what all other manufacturers allready agree on.
But i think there is a different outcome possible. While compliing with usb charging they could not use Usb functions like data transfer. And instead use Altmode to impliment bs like lighning over Usbc for "security" reasons and continue to skim profits of 3rd party manufacturers. Apple is just evil and needs to go down sooner rather than later.
That’s still not a useful approach. The law could have been worded differently as to require specific standards that would no be met by outdated ports or use some kind of majority system. Just prescribing one port for what is realistically going to be decades is dumb
@@KP3droflxpEU and the US are a lot different. EU officials actually listen to professionals, so if there's a new and better standard they'll implement it fast. '
The reason they specify USB C is that legal terms have to be specific so they can be enforced effectively and to prevent loopholes.
The "charging" port isn't really only for charging, I don't know why this keeps getting overlooked
Guess they'll expect everything to use bluetooth
I almost never use the port, not even for charging, so not having a port at all wouldn't be a big problem for me...
I would not be able to use my Flir thermal camera anymore without the lightning port or a adapter to USB-C 😢
Yep. The lightning port is already way too slow to transfer a ProRes video, and they expect people to do that via Bluetooth or Wi-Fi? Or what about accessories?
I guess it depends how you use your phone. I barely ever use the port for anything-I charge and sync everything wirelessly-but I'm not trying to transfer raw high-quality video from my phone or connect it to some peripheral that only accepts a lightning connection.
Making everyone carry the wireless charging adapter instead of a simple cable would be such a huge step back
So... it sounds exactly like something Apple would do
As if it's not embarrassing enough to charge a phone via cable in the public, now we'll get to see these clunky, wireless pucks being thrown into the mix for extra shame.
Evolving backward since tim cook
Yeah
@@ammarharith5512 I dont really see any problem with charging a phone with a cable in public o.O
You peripherally touched on it, but I think the real reason we won't see a USB-C iPhone is because they wouldn't be able to charge any sort of licensing fee for a universal standard like they do with the Lightning port. On the other hand, Magsafe is still a proprietary product, so they can keep on charging manufacturers 10% for participating their special walled garden.
I agree, we can't leave it up to companies, nor can we leave it up to government, neither can be trusted to do the smartest thing for everyone. So the best is always a compromise between money driven forces and all the other interests such as the environment and forced obsolescence.
The Mr.Brownlee agrees with is not right in any sort of way "TechCompanys should decide with their own Egineers how to achieve a goal of Regulators", for me that just sound likes saying, lets bend the rules till its fits for us. A company like Apple is happily using the USB-Standard on all their Macs, but yea surely for the Environment, let's keep the lightning port and cables. It does not make sense. Its like many Companies with were new claims to be C02 neutral, without any regulation for this claims. The EU might be clunky, and sometimes not up to speed, but at least sometimes, they stop these horse poo.
I just visualize people in 2024 sitting their, with there wireless chargingpads connected with a usb-c cable to charge their phones, like I had to for weeks, because my usb-c port was permanently jammed. I see all the advantages with phones, that you can't use while charging and please no internet anymore, I just want a safe connection with the Applenet, that offers me interconnected services from all over the world, while charging me for charging my phone, but give me discount if idll do that continuously over night. blaaaa for the environment.
Changing the connector on a wire from lightning to magnet, does not skirt the law. It is still wired charging, so must be USB-C.
@@klubstompers The cable that pluges into a wireless charging pad/puck would have to be USB-C, but if they make their own proprietary wireless charging standard, they can still charge licensing fees based on that. And if there is no port to charge the phone, then consumers would have no choice to use a proprietary charger which leaves iPhone users right were they started... Apple's walled garden.
You don't have to charge your iPhone through MagSafe, so it doesn't hold water. The QI standard is as generic as USB-C.
I always roll my eyes when these companies pretend to care about e-waste. If their concerns were genuine, they wouldn't insist on releasing new phones every year. At this point, the "improvements" are so minor year-to-year that it's unnecessary - people could easily go at least 2 years between phones, and that alone would give a drastic reduction in e-waste.
I get myself a new phone every 5 years or so, and that's usually only because I'm effectively forced to if I want to use newer software. I don't view a phone as a fashion accessory, or even an essential item, and my life doesn't revolve around it. I'd probably still be on my HTC Desire S if I knew newer software would be usable.
Agreed. They should make them so that they're more customizable. Ie. Ability to upgrade an existing phone without having to buy a completely new phone. (storage capacity)
@@T2MARA There was a project trying to do exactly that a few years back - you may have heard of it - Phonebloks. Lots of companies showed an interest, Google got involved and created Project Ara... then in true Google fashion, they killed it after 2 years.
Because why sell modules for a reasonable price, when so many people are happy to pay a fortune every year for a whole new phone that's very slightly better than the one they already have?
The first thing that's needed is to kill this perception that a phone is a must-have fashion accessory that the likes of Apple and Samsung have drilled into everyone; I mean, who really _needs_ a phone that folds? 🤷♂
@@ParanoimiaUK they do exist, check out Fairphone
@@zbarba The Fairphone is a step in the right direction, but it's not on the level that Phonebloks aspired to be. Yes, you can replace components if they fail, which is great - but you can only replace like-for-like.
They're now on Fairphone 4, which uses different parts from the previous versions, and several parts for those older phones are now discontinued... so you're still forced to upgrade the entire phone at some point.
The (admittedly idealistic) concept behind a fully modular product like Phonebloks wasn't just that you'd be able to replace failed components with working ones, but that it would be _upgradeable_, with newer, better cameras/processors/batteries/screens etc. that fit into the same chassis - so there wouldn't be any need for a "Phonebloks 2", you'd just buy newer components as and when they were available and slot them in to the existing phone body.
That said, they (Fairphone) have only released 4 phones in 9 years, which is more or less one every 2 years, and that is _definitely_ something to be commended.
A lot of things are released annually, like cars for example. It doesn't mean you have to buy a new one every year.
I am so glad you were wrong
great video, small comment:
First time the EU voted on charging cable standards they did leave it up to the engineers. Look where that got us, all other phone manufacturers agreed on a standard, micro USB. That later became USB-C. Apple? Not so much.
So yes, in principle I agree government shouldn't be that strict, but Apple themselves forced their hand here.
Apple should be sanctioned for their shit. Their producing more e waste then 70% of the whole industry...
Also, the research shows that at the moment USB-C is just a form factor. With that same form factor and different controller configurations we can have almost endless results. Not saying that USB-C form factor is perfect and that it doesn't need changing, but performance creep is not a fear anymore. Look at thunderbolt, USB-4 and all the other USB-C standards...
This. Apple themselves are to blame for the law
Forced their hand? If Apple does that and there are still droves buying Apple, then why are people of yours or their likes representing these people?
@@teerificbitch Irrelevant. My point is simple: MKBHD says government should go easier. They did. It didn't work, they step up their game.
Can’t believe that there are people who actually prefer the lightning port
apple fanboys that's it
Those people only own a single tech product, the iPhone. Essentially tech illiterate people.
mostly vain people
I don’t prefer either. It charges my phone over night. That’s it.
People who say this always seem to agree USB-C isn't rugged or durable enough which confuses me because lightning is such a weak wire
The problem with wireless charging is that it heats up the phone REALLY bad, even if I close all my apps, turn down my brightness, and put my phone in low power mode while it’s charging. The technology just isn’t there yet to justify going completely portless, plus I prefer having a faster wired charger anyways
It gets even worse when using a protective case (necessitated by the fact phone companies insist on using either luxury aluminium that scratches easily or luxury glass that breaks when it falls).
There's wireless adaptive charging
@@archiemisc that's still inherently less efficient and gets worse with more distance to the phone (because of a protective case).
When you say “it heats up the phone really bad” Apple hears “more frequent phone purchase”💰
Wireless charging is planned obsolescence. Nothing wears out a devices battery as much as heat. It's also wildly inefficient compared to wired charging.
Wow, Apple actually gave in, Its crazy to see that there was so much behind just this simple change. Guess we aren't there just yet technology wise to switch to a complete port less iPhone.
And it happened because the people voted for it. Make your voice be heard.
My biggest problem with iPhone getting rid of the charge port entirely is that every phone is going to copy them after a few years just like they did with the Headphone jack and expandable storage. I REALLY do not want to lose my USB-C port on my phone in like 2027 or something
if the charging speeds can keep up, then i dont mind it, 1 less port to clean dust out of.
@@niajef yea, so if your phone is low on juice, your shit out of luck in so many different situations.
@@DailyMynt wait what?
No they wont. I can guarantee that. If apple ditches the port they will lose millions of customers. Other companies wont follow that.
Power banks now won’t work. So any situation that was handy means your gonna have a dead phone battery. At the bar, well the bartender can’t help you and just let you plug in etc… wireless charging is cool as an option but not if it’s the only option.
EU has been fairly good about regular reviews of laws, as in if they write into the law that they will revisit it every x years they actually do that. It’s also quite a different process from the US where laws seem to very much be forever laws that nobody actually touches ever again.
he never mentioned that, shame
must be nice to have a modern functioning democracy instead of just like, the decaying corpse of one.
Yeah people don't consider the fact that EU laws are constantly be updated and revised
You have to consider the opportunity cost though. Is it worth it to constantly go back and re-visit laws instead of considering new ones? And how many laws can you plan to re-visit before it becomes too much?
Curious as to the process you expect the next generation cable to be designed by. EU teams up with tech or tech collaborates? Hint: neither are happening. Five years will pass and nothing new will come out because there will be no collaboration.
Biggest problem with wireless charging: I often hold my phone in my hand while it is charging via cord, especially at night when the phone is depleted. Trying to do this with MagSafe sounds maddening.
it is absolutely possible though. The magsafe "magnet" thing is still at the end of a chord, and they can make the chord longer to accomodate people that want to be able to use the phone while it is charging. I don't believe they are going to exculsively magsafe, but for other reasons than this. This one seems like not a real issue.
@@mutedmutiny9542 oh I see what you mean, a little mag connected to the cord on the wall that magnets to the middle of the back of your phone. Would look like a hockey puck ig
@@Jeremy-bt8lo yeah they make them like that already, I have a few because I think they come with the Apple Watch, but they work for any other MagSafe devices too.
The biggest problem is that it wastes more energy. At the current stage it uses about 75% more energy. 1MM phones that can charge at 15W/h would use 11.25 GW/h more per charge. Just so you don't have to plug it in?
@@mutedmutiny9542 I don’t have a model with MagSafe yet, but the magnet on the watch charger is so weak that if I’m holding the watch I have to press the magnet to the back to keep it from falling off while I’m handling it. Maybe the MagSafe is a stronger bond, though
This didn't age well.
You won't age well.
@@mazdaxc90 He already hasn't aged well
One thing I think isn't being mentioned nearly often enough about this law is that it also mandates USB-C on laptops from 2026, which I think could be even more important than iphones. Laptop manufacturers are still treating USB-C charging as a premium feature for high-end laptops only when it's meant to be the new standard for all of them. I, for one, can't wait for the death of shitty barrel chargers. Maybe this would have been solved by 2026 regardless, but they've bungled this so far so who knows if they'd voluntarily fix it any time soon.
Yeah the barrel chargers are dogshit, but the Macbooks Magsafe charger is the GOAT, so for me personally, I REALLY hope they don't need to switch back to USB-C for the Macbooks. When they first stopped using magsafe it really sucked, and now that it's come back it's so much better in everyway.
@@therealjp1116 you can still use USB C for the new MacBooks that have MagSafe
@@therealjp1116 the law does not prohibit apple from implementing magsafe though. The law only required devices that can be charged via wires to be able to use USB-C. In macbooks, the thunderbolt port is USB PD compatible and you can use usb-c to charge your macbook if you don't want to use the mag safe. So with that, it means apple already complied even before it was enforced.
However for those other device manufacturers like hp, dell that does include usb-c on their laptops but does not support PD, this law will enforce it.
@@iamwisdomsky ahhh you guys are right! My bad, I completely forgot about that haha!
@@purpledrank2922 you're right dude! I forgot, my bad haha!
The problem Iv always had with wireless is that its the exact same as wired. you still have a wire coming from the wall ito the phone, only now you have to make sure not to accidently bump the phone when its charging. Its just not better in anyway IMO....
This is what I feel as well, you're gonna need wires anyways, might as well go with the faster option
Magsafe solves the bumping problem, but yeah, it's still not truly wireless... Taking the wires out of the equation entirely is a whole other level
The advantage of wireless is being able to plonk your device down in vaguely the right spot on a surface without also having to specifically plug it in - a *very* small advantage to be sure, and also doesn't really apply to the standard MagSafe charger where you've got a hockey puck stuck to the phone hanging loose just like a normal cable, but it is technically there.
Exactly, wireless charging is utterly useless. It still uses a wire, has slow charging, and can't transfer data at any viable speed. No idea why people are so down for it. Baffles me how people will give up all the benefits just to save 1 calorie of effort by not having to plug in the wire
The benefit I see is that you don't have to pull out the cable of the charger very often
"I don't think they ever will [make a usb-c iPhone]"
THAT DIDN'T AGE WELL
The port is not just used for charging though. The phone still needs to be able to connect to a computer for troubleshooting or recovery.
and for wired earphones too, incase buds run-out of battery
they might use a separate port/pin connector just for data (not for charging)
This is an important issue, I don't know why nobody is talking about it.
They'll say just go to apple service centre and spend some time and money on new motherboard ⚰️
You can do it wirelessly quite easily. With a Mac at least.
Type C has to be the "unified charging standard" because it is the most common standard we have now. Its very hard to enforce laws that don't have specific details defined, because anyone could claim their proprietary cable is the standard.
Actually i heard from his podcast
That Eu told apple and gave them new standards to comply to 🙄 but they didnt so they choose usb c so they can force them into complying
So i dont know why Apple is acting like the victim here
@@story-teller657 Because they're a company playing their cards, but consumers have theirs and the market should reflect that, via governments.
What I think people always overlook is the fact, that wireless charging is also wired, only the place where you put your charger changes to the back of the Phone. In my opinion the advantages are marginal...
Yup, exactly. It's not really wireless at all. You still have to connect your phone to the end of a wire. Really, it's just a new type of port/connector. Just, it's a lot slower and larger than a USB-C connector.
Had to scroll way too far to find this comment
@@oh-totoro yeah hardly comparable to a wireless in the sense of an AM/FM radio receiver.
3:58 - So, everything has been changed to USB-C. I truly believe they will always, and I mean ALWAYS have a port available as a backup. The AirPods case was also changed to USB-C.
We used to have different electrical outlets in our homes before they were standardized. All other electronics manufacturers decided to use USB-C, Apple refused and forced the EUs hand
@@wishunter9000 not sure about the former but the latter part surely was
@@wishunter9000 If you look at EU history, it is. Apple is the reason the law was made.
Patently untrue. Currently, every country has its own standard. There are certain things that hold true in multiple countries, like Britain's 3-prong outlet being adopted in other countries -- they use the same deal in Singapore. However, my country uses the two-prong flat pin, and I've still seen electronics and appliances that have the 2 rounded pins. There are also 3-pins, both with flat and rounded pins. Some flat pins are angled.
This is the reason why you have to buy _universal_ outlets which can accommodate everything --- well, at least _almost_ everything but the UK standard, which requires its own outlet.
Is it just me or does yourself and so many other here lack common sense……..
My iPhone charger is USB-C with a lightning port adapter, been like this for years…….
@@tears2040 are you talking about an iPad or some other device? Cause currently there are no unmodified iphones with usb c connector,
or are you being sarcastic?
I'm sure you don't remember this but when I graduated in 01', I remember that just about every single cell phone had its own unique changing plug. I think it went by manufacturer, but even then some same brands had a different plug. I thought it was the greatest thing when the first mini USB plug started showing up on a lot of new products.
apple was also the first company to introduce a true smartphone into the market
Laptops were even worse.
@@Nihghtbot and the last major phone company to die on the hill of using a shitty proprietary port, good to see somebody's forcing it
The USA car charging dock market is in complete Chaos because their companies want propriotary plugs, in Europe the Government legislated for the use of standardised ports... hence why the USA has a problem with charging stations and Europe doesnt
@@JuanAristi the us has a problem with charging stations because the majority of the people here don't want to pay for that trash.
Hi there, great video as always! But, if I may, I think you forgot one detail, again pushed by the EU: repairability. If your iPhone dies, or any other smartphone, basically every diagnostic test is made by attaching the device to the testing machine, or computer, or whatever...by cable. Going "full wireless" or "cable-less" would go against (part of) the EU laws of repairability...
Apple could have magsafe charging and still keep the lightning port for diagnostic but won't charge the phone just to be dicks
Great point
How do you diagnose a smartwatch then? You connect it to another device via wifi. Or if not then it's dead. But the point is that there are already many devices that are already portless and are not against the EU law.
@@s-plus
I agreed with D.E. Until I read your comment. You are right Sergey
@@s-plus better point
My only issue with MagSafe is I need a LoveHandle loop on the back of my phone to help me hold it and that interferes with the charging puck.
A lot of cases are not MagSafe compatible too.
I’d love to reduce the holes in my phone, but needing the majority of the back to be basically clear-ish is asking a lot imo
When Marques said, “It’s tech-in’ time!” it truly was a moment of time.
It was certainly a thing that happened
Not just a moment, one of the moments of all time
Kid named finger
People really still find the Morbius memes funny 😶
My favorite part was when Marques said "It's tech-in' time!" and tech-ed all over the room.
What's great about using USB-C is that as long as the next changes don't change the connector, a USB 4 or 5 or 6 cable and charger will be backwards compatible.
Exactly. USB-C has already evolved since its inception. By making that connector the standard, it ensures that progress is directed towards it, rather than dispersed across a bunch of proprietary connectors, just for the sake of locking people to their thing.
There really should be far more regulated standardisation like this, but it is tricky to know when to bring it in.
Electric vehicle charging could have really done with it early on yet still doesn't really have it (though thankfully there's not been too much diversification). It's not difficult to make a forward looking standard with redundancy now that can be used in the future.
Eventually things will need a clean-sheet redesign as it becomes too difficult to fit the latest stuff into decades old form factors, but that can be worked on for several years with industry groups to bring it about.
Yup, the new thunderbolt protocol will use the same USB-C connector and get double the speed of the protocol that came before it. I think MKBHD misses this point. And realistically the transfer speeds of new thunderbolt standards are way higher than anyone is going to need for consumer gadgets anytime soon. Maybe one day data transfers will be so intensive that USB-C connectors won’t cut it, but that day isn’t any time soon. Standardizing on one connector for consumer gadgets is a great thing
@@ChrispyNut in Europe there is also a unified standard for electric car charging connectors. This means that any electric car can use any charging station
Usb-c is just the connector, the internal wiring will change with the new usb 4 and beyond specs but the physical connector will stay the same.
@@isawrooka4 Crap, yea, you're quite right. Thank you for the correction, I'll amend my comment.
Our apps would take too long to run wireless only. So we should get either a very robust wireless solution or move to USB-C, which is a very welcome change. Not to mention high res videos, take forever to transfer so we need higher speeds!
What apps
@@iPhone5244 We develop various apps for iOS. Thus have a ton of test devices that we have to run tests across, which can be a bit of a pain.
You mean debugging? Completely forget about that.
what are you on about?
@@azero79 if you own a cellular phone, there are apps on that phone. Apps don't magically appear out of thin air, people have to make them. Did you really not know that?
10 months later in the iPhone 15 is out and it has USB type-c
this aged well.
It’s just kinda ridiculous that we’ve gone from companies actively wanting and trying to improve their technology, to having governments literally force companies to make “improvements” they should’ve made a long time ago.
What? It was about taking more money the whole time. It just got harder to improve things so they found ways to make more without improving anything. Like Adobe or Autodesk.
We are talking about Apple here... They genuinely have held tech back for decades now. I remember them patenting rectangles with curved edges, then suing other tech companies that made products shaped like rectangles with curved edges... Or how about when they stole Qualcomm's chipset tech, gave it to intel, had them produce a new chip from it, then patented it... yeah, that happened.
@@chumbaman777 I agree that the patenting and other moves have been evil/annoying/stupid.
But I don‘t see how they have held tech back for decades.
First of all they have only been relevant for ~2 decades. (Since the iPod) And only been market dominating for ~15 years. During which we have seen an insane boom in technology unlike anything before. Doesn‘t look like holding back, to me.
@@leonmuller8475
1. 2 decades is still decades
2. Before that they were relevant with the iPod they had Macintosh computers.
3. Macintosh (and Windows) as an idea was stolen from Xerox who had already built a gui and everything for their system before the ideas for Windows and Macintosh became a thing. Xerox was showing off this idea and looking for investors when Bill Gates and Steve Jobs stole it.
4. A boom in the market doesn't mean that the technology itself has taken a step forward.
5. I would call what Apple does masked innovation. They do not invent. Basically they take something someone else invented and change the color of the gui etc etc.
6. I want you to list technological breakthroughs that they have made in the past 20 years. Then tell me if these breakthroughs are worth billions of dollars or have really done much for the tech industry as a whole. Off the top of my head I can think of 3.
@@cabobs2000 Well yes, but Apple's entire brand IS innovation. That's supposed to be one of their core values. So their "innovation" (really just re-branding already-existing technology) stagnating is huge for apple and their brand. The reason people feel dissapointed and lied to is that this company promised to make their products better and more innovative. In reality, Apple consumers are faced with being ignored when it comes to implementing features they want, overpriced products that are nowhere near cutting-edge in concept or performance, an ecosystem that makes it incredibly difficult to transition out of Apple and a company that ACTIVELY makes it impossible to fix any issues on their hardware. You're right, Apple has had these issues fromt he beggining, but they're becoming more apparent now as the "wow factor" wears off from having something Apple like 20 years ago. It's like when you start noticing all the faults in you girlfriend after the honeymoon phase wears off and they start to become real issues
this isn't just about charging, it affects anything that needs to plug into the port, from external batteries to docks and accessories, all of which can be made multiplatform with relative ease if there is just one physical interface type to deal with. this way you can use your wired headphones on both your ipad and your iphone without the need for adapters and dongles, you only need one cable to charge both your macbook and your iphone and wireless keyboard and mouse.
exactly what i was thinking, the argument of electronics waste is complete bullshit when you produce far more bullshit than literally anyone else
My car. I will need to buy a new car in order to use Bluetooth CarPlay. My car is a mid-tier 2021 model and I can only use CarPlay with a Lightning cable. Given the choice of buying an car and buying a new phone, I won't lose any sleep over the decision.
@@eshafto your car doesn't have a USB-C interface, only a lightning cable one? Or did I just botch the entire meaning of your sentence lol
@@mihirojha4475 Hi, Mihir. It has USB-A and I use a USB-A to Lightning cable. My car will not do wireless CarPlay, so if my phone has no cable ports, I won't be able to use it with my car's display.
@@eshafto ohh, okay. Yeah, even my dad's car (which is now 10 years old) has the USB A port, which is great as it's still a relevant port. Thank you for clarifying!
You’re so good you don’t just predict the future, you provide Apple with their own solutions.
I never even thought of them removing the cable from the box and then putting just the wireless charging puck.
This has been said for a long time anyway. When they announced this possibility years ago, even I said they were more likely to go wireless than usbC and everyone said it was not possible lol
Womp womp
Usb c is here
I wanted to say "What about troubleshooting over the cable when the device won't turn on?" , and it just popped to me, Apple will probably make you bring the phone in for absolutely every little reason and enjoy service costs and insurance money, they could simply connect to the phone directly through the motherboard, which would cancel your warranty if you did it yourself.
They will make you just buy a new one every time the battery runs out soon.
I love how MKBHD thinks that apple is going to "give you the Mag safe charging puck in the box" They're probably going to give you nothing but the phone in the box and you have to buy the magsafe puck separately
It depends on how much they want to push MagSafe. The added cost to them for the industry to accept MagSafe as the new standard (which they have patented and get a cut off MagSafe certified products like the lightning cable I am sure) may be a net benefit
Whilst preaching about the environment... but yeah it's why I've been unsubscribed from him for a while now he just seems to shill apple and either naively or willfully ignores reality
That’s after they get you comfortable with MagSafe
they're obligated to provide a way to charge the device
At some point, they will start charging you 19.99 for the box itself!
A couple of others have already raised this in comment chains, but the big obstacle I see here is CarPlay-they've made a huge push in this regard and at this point the vast majority of new/late model cars have CarPlay support, but only via wired connection in most stock head units and budget to mid-range aftermarket alternatives. Given how few people actually upgrade their car's stock media systems and the age of the average car, going wireless without a CarPlay solution would be a tough sell.
Interestingly enough Apple has already patentend a magsafe charger to also have data transfer, so then you'll just plug in the mag safe connector to your car.
5$ dongle?
Car manufacturers are already expanding car play's usage to the instrument panel. I'd imagine going forward that car play won't just be an add-on, but a core component of the vehicle which would off load some of the data for phones.
Big issue is i have a wireless carplay head unit but i can't use it because my new car (along with many new cars) has a weird oversized media centre with wired carplay and it won't fit. Car manufacturers will have to release new models with wireless support or go back to using a standard size unit.
I'm guessing Apple is already testing a wireless to USB dongle for carplay that they will be happy to sell you.
“I actually believed they would make a phone without a charging cable in 2023”
I kinda did too, but magsafe/anywireless charger is so inefficient that i'd rather plug in for 15min than wireless charge for 2 hours. Except apple didnt give us faster charging.....
I agree with letting the industry figure out a unified solution to charge port standards, but that already happened. EU had such a law in place for a decade, but since the industry didn't manage to unify the standard by itself, EU went ahead and made it explicit on what the standard should be. Great video as always, but I wish you added this history from the EU side.
Actually, the industry managed this just fine. Well, most of the industry at least. Except for Apple. The EU stance has been (since 2009!) that they would prefer an industry driven solution over a prescriptive law and that they would only write that law if that didn't happen. Apple is the main reason this became law in the first place...
@@foobar8894 your comment deserves more attention.
@@foobar8894 This, it's even weirder that Apple would complain and give "it would increase e-waste" as an excuse, considering they currently have a mismatch of ports across their devices with MacBooks and iPads adopting USB-C and Thunderbolt while iPhones and AirPods are still stuck with Lightning, forcing you to have two types of cables with you if you want to travel and charge.
@@G1NZOU Especially when 5 years ago they release a macbook pro that ONLY has thunderbolt type C ports, when type A was still an everyday use for almost everyone, talk about creating e-waste. Everyone was forced to buy dongle for everything they needed to plug in. And great... I'm now happy they pushed everyone to USB-C and thunderbolt on USB-C, because it is superior. But then they spout this hypocritical nonsense about changing the port would create too much e-waste, blah, blah. The first year they take away the type A charging block in the box, they also start including a type C to lighting? WTF? I can charge everything I own with one cable except the iphone, and the airpods. I have to keep buying special cables just for them (because BTW apple lighting cables have a pretty short lifespan, anyone have an apple branded cable that isn't frayed at the strain relief) They can do what they want, but I am absolutely sick of hearing the e-waste argument.
@@jeffmattheson yeah, it's backwards as hell.
I really like being able to take my USB-C phone charger and charge both my phone and my Bose headphones, it just makes sense.
I have wireless charger for the past 3 years for android and 90% of the time I use wired. It is just efficient, one cable for all my devices when I travel. Apple just doesn't want to give that flexibility it seems :)
I also prefer wired charging, but if Apple goes portless I wonder how many android phones will follow
seems like apple just dont want to be told what to do and not to do. i love it! hahaha
@@Adolar andriod already have wireless, it's just any phone aren't still there to go portless due to inefficiency of wireless charging, it loses most energy to heat and slow charging too, also data transfer speed is a other thing. Idk how they gonna get better speeds without wired but hey we gotta wait and see.
apple LOVES "proprietary"
@@Adolar many android phone has wireless charging but the brand also knew they don't use it
so many chose not to include it to maybe put something else in
plus wireless charging = u need to buy extra wireless charging pad
android phone don't even include it in the box
Wow that subtle "I leave it below the like button" at 2:07. That was slick
USB literally means Universal Serial Bus, so the EU regulations are more pointed in the direction of getting tech companies to use the port/cable that is designed to be a standard solution to all electronics. The "C" part of "USB C" in the regulations is just there because currently USB C is the latest version of said standardized technology. Obviously the regulations will evolve when technology evolves, so read the regulations like this: we want all technology to have the SAME port/charger. That's a clear win imo and will definitely have larger impact on sustainability then Apples ungrounded claims.
Letters describe the plug, numbers the standards.
They are just saying that to dissuade people, they could have switched to USB C years ago. They didn't want to switch because of MFI certification. They claimed it would create a lot of ewaste, but that e-waste wouldn't exist if they simply switched earlier.
Apple is so strategic with every single word they say. 😅
A very smart company
100%
It’s as if they think before they speak 😱
@@k4rim799 You mean a company with common sense, I've never seen or heard of a company worth anything that doesn't make their lawyers + 10 others check speechs well in advance
@@Emerald_Forge I would say common sense is a very important type of intelligence.
The moment you said apple wants to remove the charging port completely I had to look up if it waste power. The result I found may be a little dated, but we lose 20-30%. Also most of the power lost is converted to heat which can further slow down charging as it will slow down to protect the battery from heat dmg.
that's one of the reasons they're gonna lose a massive amount of customers if they go portless. so basically they can't.
@Jedaro a lot of apple users are "business" kokain junkies with not much time (except showing of their iphone) at hand, so only being able to charge it wirelessly slow or not even at all ("can I charge my iphone here? no?") is going to hit them:D
@Jedaro well I do speak of experience here too (for all of it:D)
I provide lightning chargers on the table/on the seats of our weekly hold em gathering (as much as I hate that already, but when I installed them I wasn't aware of the BS statement lightning is gonna become...) but I for sure won't provide whatever wireless BS apple is cooking these days just because they decided to avoid the ALREADY INSTALLED charger EVERONE ELSE ON THE FIN PLANET BUT THEM uses.
god, how much I disrespect this company these days.
The only way electric power can be “lost” is by conversion to heat or motion.
I have multiple Lightening tips that make a poor connection. My ipad has USB-C and it’s bulletproof.
This video didn’t age well
One issue with wireless charging is the inefficiency. I'd be interested to see if it's worse environmentally through more unnecessary energy use. It's also a lot slower. Plus, it heats the device up which probably degrades components faster.
That inefficiency also adds quite a bit of heat, which is bad for the longevity of the phone itself, especially the battery.
Yeah, another problem is Apple leads the industry for some reason. Samsung make fun of them, and then do the same thing in a year or two. With 4 billion active smartphone users charging their phones every day, 40% efficiency wireless vs 95% efficiency gallium nitride chargers is going to have an insane environmental impact. Wireless charging encourages not using a case which is going to increase replacements. I'm pretty sure this is intentional, apple wants to do this because it will increase their bottom line. Phones will last a year before the battery goes caput lol
it has zero effect on the environment. Maybe 0.0000000000000001% which is nothing and definitely worth the convenience.
@@jimj2683 WTF are you talking about? there are on avg 1+billion iPhone, if each of them takes 15w for wireless but its only 40% efficient that means you are pulling an extra 22.5W overtop of what a cable would pull (37.5W from the wall). that is 22,500 MW of extra power that needs to be generated. if it takes 2 hours to charge the phone that is 45GWh per day extra, this is 1/4 of the entirety of Canada's power grid. Zero effect on the environment? you clown, where is your power coming from?
@@jimj2683 look up transfer efficiency on the wireless power consortium. It is not 0.(however many zeroes)1%.
You're speaking out of your expertise. The MagSafe isn't two free coils with vacuum or ferromagnetic material in-between. There is bound to be loss due to misalignments and basically whatever material the iPhone and charger is made of. Neither is it significantly convenient as compared to walking around a room while having your device charging from air waves.
You simply do not care. That doesn't mean others shouldn't.
Edit: It is also not negligible on global environment scales. Single use plastics were negligible in the past and way more convenient, as a species, shouldn't we have learnt our lesson?
Real world efficiency of wireless charging is not just slightly more inefficient than wired charging. It is significantly more inefficient than wired charging.
They’ve moved the base iPad over to USB-C now. I get Magsafe is a thing, but if they’re going through the effort to move everything else to it, they may already have the customers who already own a USB-C cable because of their iPads
But there aren’t many iPaD users compared to the iPhone
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense for them to keep just the iphone on its own connector when literally everything else uses usb-c, even their other things.
@@thekwoka4707 the iphone is the core of their ecosystem, keeping iphone on a proprietary charging system makes it so that you still need to rely on apple for charging the core of your apple devices which is smart from a business perspective
@@itsv1p3r yes, very good for them, but not for the users, don't understand why people still defend apple.
because iPad/MBP need more power for charge. Wireless charging need time for development high power charge
Look who was wrong, they did add USB-C lol
But portless would be so much more sick! Of course, Apple can't innovate that fast.
@@DvanceI agree as I don’t really transfer any info from my phone aside from upgrading to a new phone so if they made wireless charging way better it’d be nice to have a port less phone so I don’t have to worry about the port getting damaged or dirty
8:24 "the problem is mandating USB-C instead of giving an overall goal like unified charging"
That was 2009. In *Anno Domini Two Thousand And Nine*, the EU came an official agreement with almost all major phone manufacturers to standardize charging. They chose not to make it an official law for the exact same reasons you mentioned. They tried to do the right thing, and Apple took that as permission to clown on us for 15 years straight.
Indeed, and I hope the EU forces a standard for wireless charging as well if Apple insist on not playing nice.
@@foobar8894 There's already a de facto standard for wireless charging-Qi charging. The iPhone has supported it for more or less as long as it has supported wireless charging at all.
Apple does a little trolling
You could be right about magsafe, but I think you're wrong about the dates. All the press release about the law say it applies to "products sold in 2025" which is very different from "new products released in 2025". Apple probably wants to have a last-gen phone to sell at a discount in Jan 2025, which would mean releasing a compliant phone in 2023.
I couldn't find the relevant section of the statute to confirm this though.
yup
Or they could just only sell the newest phone in the EU, and say blame your leaders...Many other companies don't sell the older version of their product at a discount.
I like the idea of making a standard port, like has anyone been in a situation where you forgot your charger and your friends are using android... the pain
Don't make friends who use android.
@@saadsalman1650 Actually chew rocks for saying this
I’m the US, you unfriend people who don’t use iPhones.
^This is false. Only over the top people do that
@@Dhairyasd I'm from south africa Haha, but yea I can understand it's different worldwide
Finally it seems that they complied. The iPhone 15 now has a Type-C
I'm not going to lie your impression on how apple would present the portless iphone was spot on 😂
Well he knows what apple is like mate
The thing with a portless iPhone is that the port doesn’t just function as a charging port. You can use it to connect adapters that allow for card reader, thumb drive and usb mic connections, to name only a few use cases. While the market for adapter users might sound small, I see each of these benefitting budget-minded podcasters, video bloggers and micro-bloggers (TikTok, IG), so it’s certainly something they should consider. If they came up with a wireless port adapter to replace these older adapters, that would be a brilliant solution.
2:28 i can imagine apple putting a lightning port to the iphone 17, i just not gonna charge the phone😅 This is apple i can imagine everything.
magnetic peripheral connector that isn't used for charging takes care of that. Like on the iPad.
I know a lot of devices already use wi-fi for transfer. Printers, cameras, etc, so that's definitely one way. I for one have a Canon camera, and while I use USB-C to take photos from the camera to Mac, if I'm on my phone (Android), I use an app to connect to the camera, and can use it as a remote, or transfer files. And while printers still use wifi, it's a bit different. With a printer (at least ones I've used), you connect it to the same network as the computer or phone (like your home wi-fi, or office network), and it finds the devices on your network, where cameras create a wi-fi signal that you find in your settings, and then connect to it as if it were your network. The main drawback is that you can't use wi-fi for internet if you're using it for file transfer, but most of us have big enough data plans that it doesn't matter.
I could see a mic being an issue as wireless charging does make a hum that could get in the way, but most bluetooth headsets and speakers have mics built in, so that might be the way to go.
Or they could just not be money hungry bastards and adopt USB C on the iPhones... But I guess if you want to burn your money on the Apple branded shit
I shoot with my DSLR and use a card reader adapater to transfer photos to my phone right on location quickly. Don’t want to see a world where I can’t do that.
The interesting part of this whole thing to me is that Apple already includes USB-C in the iPad already. One of their highest selling products behind their smartphones. I don’t see the transition to wireless charging happening within the next two years so essentially they’re forced to comply
Apple would rather fuck loyal customers over than be on the same level as other companies. Thats just an unfortunate reality..... Two years is more than enough time for them to say fuck it and switch it up much like phones coming with no headjack so that a year later they could sell the fuck out of air pods. They claim this shit is innovation but its bullshit marketing to sell even more of their own products. NOT TO MENTION the MFI thing he was talking about that they made millions off of because of the exclusivity. If you wanted to make money you had no choice but to fork some over to apple. They would not willing give something like that up.
This confuses me too, however I think iPad being USB-C is mainly for compatibility to their Mac series of laptops and desktop systems. If you've got a Mac Pro 5K and want to use your iPad Pro as a 2nd screen, 1 cable connects it and also charges the iPad at the same time.
Of the people that own iPhones, only a select percentage own an iPad and a smaller percentage of that also own a Mac. Most iPhone people I know use Windows.
@@dylandajhharwood5566 Nah, I guess 20-25% of iphone people use MacOS. The rest use windows .. Maybe you aren't from America or never seen the scenario there..(ofcourse windows is better). Funny how people keep whinning about ecosystem when Samsung is the best phone for compatibility with windows due to Samsung-microsoft partnership..
And the latest cross platform quick share which allows them to get quick share like speed (or nearby share and air drop like speed) for cross platform file transfer..even Samsung to iOS..
@@dylandajhharwood5566 USB-C also allows creators to hook up external hard drives to the iPad, and I don't think anyone needs that on an iPhone. lol. I'm kind of peeved that I'll have to toss all of my lightning chargers. Why not just leave the iPhone the way it is? I just find the whole thing ironic, complaining that people have to get new chargers, but then forcing people to get new chargers.
@@CharlieEarthRoast Hard drives? Probably not. Flash drives? More likely, especially one like I have with a 1 TB capacity.
well this prediction didn't age well.
I liked the Lightning port when it came out as it was robust and could be plugged in in any direction. But today it's just annoying how many different cables you have to pack when you travel. Yes the USB-C port will at some point also be old and not up to the latest features - but at least its a sturdy connector, can be plugged in in both directions, can be used to charge any phone, any tablet, powerbanks, laptops, headphone etc. so I need one (!) cable in my luggage, backpack, car, desk or similar. By adding wireless charging we are at the same situation again that I have just another cable I have to buy and lying around everywhere (or take everywhere). So wireless charging is an additional thing which is nice but still annoying in day to day use in combination with other devices which need to be charged.
Type c definitely not sturdy lmao
@@Utubesuperstar It is if you get a decent quality one. Most cables that come standard with devices...aren't.
@@Sanquinity the connector itself isn’t that middle contact in the phones or computers is super easy to break
@@Utubesuperstari dont think i ever had seen the usb c itself broken (And i use really old phone). The cable itself on the other hand usualy made out of guano i saw being broken a lot.
@Noah Raines they make the cable side of the connector weaker. It's easier and cheaper to replace a cable than to open up the phone and change that connector.
For that specific goal (reducing e-waste right now, not in 10 years), governments HAD to be very prescriptive.
We already have a better charging cable that's used by basically everyone except Apple. We already have the industry standard, it's just that one company refuses to use it because money.
I'm pretty sure if Apple was on USB-C, this law wouldn't exist. It wouldn't need to. They refused to use the best technology to preserve their 10% on everything Lightning, so we just forced them 🤷♂
We'll have all the time to move on from USB-C whenever it's obsolete, but we're not there yet.
This was a very solid critical analysis of the media coverage over this situation. I suspect a lot of consumers would prefer USB-C. As a tinkerer, I greatly prefer devices that have ports capable of data transfer. Wireless data transfer is fine, but it may require a certain level of integration with the Operating System to use, whereas a wired data connection can open the doors for things like modifying the iPhone. Apple hates it, but some people like to experiment.
Yet another reason for them to get rid of it...
@@Tsuchimursu Yep. Disabling modifying the phone is a plus for them.
I’ve been contemplating switching to android for years now, but if they did this, I would absolutely bite the bullet and go for it. I have so many apps and devices (typically for audio) that require wired connections that it would actually be a downgrade.
Go ahead do it, just switch to a pixel. Samsung phones get soo laggy after a year
Android is da best. Probably go for Pixel or Asus (if they do well).
@@whoknows4122 the hell you on about? I've used samsungs since the Galaxy S4 (S4, Note 7, S7, S9+, S22 Ultra), and not had any notable lag issue with any of them
@@Director_Orson_Krennic not had one in Europe then? The exynos chip we get as opposed to snapdragon is utter dogshit.
@@Director_Orson_Krennic the old galaxies were absolute garbage after a year of use.
Usb-c seems like the seeable future for Apple products and I hope it can lead to even faster charging and ease of use between different devices.
Well. This aged poorly lol
Did you not watch the vid? His point was that iPhone will stop using USB altogether by 2025.
@@own4801 Did you not watch the video? He said that there will be no USB-C iPhone.
Like Ali Chehab said, data transfers and debugging/restoring is going to be interesting. It’s possible that if they drop lightning and go solely MagSafe for charging they could add a variation of iPads Smart Connector for data transfers and debugging purposes. However I don’t know everything about the EU USB-C dilemma and it wouldn’t be a viable option.
The thing with apple is that the users having no accessible port to restore the phone is not a problem for them. They'd prefer you not to touch it and send the phone to them to fix anyway.
@@SyukriLajin But it'd get a big problem, because everyone who wants to restore their iPhones or even need a repair that could be done with iTunes, woud go to their Stores; that's a great amount of people. If they're busy with actual demand, imagine with this... I guess they wont do that.
You think that apple actually debugs their phones? My iphone broke because of a software update. When I took it to the apple store, they just gave me a new phone and didn't even transfer my data...
They can keep the Lightning port for accessories and debugging/restoring, but not for charging. That way, they still comply with the EU law.
I don’t understand? How is making debugging/restore impossible a bad thing? Just simply buy another iPhone, it’s a win/win for Apple.
I remember a time where I had tons of different charging cables. There where the old barrel plugs from Nokia, the weird ones from Sony-Ericsson, another special one from Alcatel, etc. and at some point Nokia introduced a new style of connector. It was messy and there was a lot of e-waste.
Back then, the EU had plans to reduce e-waste, so they talked to the industry and told them to all agree on a common connector type, which didn't really work of course until the EU told them, that if they don't agree on a standard on their own, they will pass legislation which will force them to do so.
That helped and all manufacturers agreed on using the same style of charger for their phones, USB micro B. But that was only limited to smartphones, tablet sometimes still used proprietary charging ports and a lot of other electronic devices as well. Some at least used USB mini B receptacles but I have seen some odd ones which where definitely USB but which I can't even recognize.
But the big elephant in the room was Apple. They persistently refused to align with the other manufacturers and baked their own cake. While they always talked about technical limitations and how they couldn't charge their phones as quickly if they hadn't used their proprietary lightning connector, about how the data transfer rate would be lower and how they wouldn't be able to make their devices as thin, other manufacturers have proven that they can to all those things.
As lightning is proprietary with the patents and designs owned by Apple, they could exercise some level of control on accessories. They could ask for license fees and when that didn't work they introduced their mfi certification program. So they have a big financial interest in sticking to their own connector instead of switching to the open standard USB type C connectors. And I think that's the main reason for their reluctance to switch to it.
One of the arguments Apple still brings up against USB-C is that it will cause a lot of e-waste if all of their customers need to switch to new peripherals now. But that happened already when they switched from their old 30-pin dock connector towards the lightning one. They never complained about e-waste back then. And as you mentioned in your video, lightning is quite old and is becoming more and more oitdated. So if it weren't for the EU, I wouldn't have been surprised for Apple to introduce a new proprietary standard in the future.
Even as a non-Apple user I'm looking forward to this new regulation as it will also affect other areas. My next wireless earbuds will be chargeable via USB-C, so no need to carry an extra USB micro B cable just for them. I will be able to attach the Logitech unifying receiver dongles to my smartphone without issues. And I'm already enjoying that I can charge my laptop and my phone with the same charger.
Its even funnier that they say "going USB-C will produce a lot of e-waste", like come on, isnt going portless do the same thing? People upgrading from 11-14 will have to throw away the lightning cables, which is guess what? E-waste. I love how hypocritical they are. It's e-waste if it hurts their revenues. It's innovation if it adds to their revenue sources.
USB B (micro and then mini) technically was enforced by Android, aka Google. There was nothing mandatory about chargers. Obviously even now, all of this could have been avoided by enforcing smartphone recycling: you get a new one, if you hand in the old one. As well as the charger! Give the old one,get a new one!
Also, no tablets at that time, only some failed attempts from Microsoft. Moreover, YES until some years ago, USB C had limitations that lightning could easily overcome. It's a silly attempt from EU, that once again focusing on the problem and not the solution.
Exactly, the EU already gave phone companies a chance to figure out a standard amongst themselves and Apple didn't play ball. The EU is only mandating because Apple gave them no other choice.
@@assetaden6662 Apple is all bullshit communication wise. It's good some people can see through the bullshit.
well said. i didn't know that they were already given a chance to agree on a standard themselves
USB-C will be a mainstay for many, many years. It's a dynamic standard that's near the limits of what's possible for a compact connector while still remaining durable enough to withstand abuse. USB Type A has sufficed for nearly 20 years before C came along, and that was during a time where innovation was moving much quicker and consumer demands where higher for such an interface. The USB-C port already far exceeds the needs of any consumer smartphone and likely will for the foreseeable future.
The only viable reason I can't think of USB-C being the optimal connector for small consumer electronics for the next 20 years is A. size and cost of implementation on extremely cheap products and B. durability. A barrel jack plug will always outlast a USB-C plug.
the great thing with barrel jacks being more durable is, you can have both! i am writing this on a dell rugged laptop that can be charged with usb c for convenience on the go so that i only need one charger and with a replaceable barrel jack at home and at work where i can just have chargers ready. and of cause you can and apple actually at least used to in macbooks make usb c plugs replacable to prevent that from becoming an issue.
This didn’t age well…
1. They'll also need to improve wireless transfer speeds to that people transfer the sweet GBs of ProRes videos to their Mac without pulling their hair off. And pray also that the transfer doesn't get cut off suddenly withou you knowing.
2. Wireless charging will mean people have to get used to holding the phone and charger together to use the phone.
3. Many accessories that need the port will no longer work.
Solution from Apple: iPhone ultra will have usb C, the rest will not
I have a job which makes my phone lose 25% battery per hour. Wireless charging cannot keep up with that!
This was the logical next step and the world will be better off for it. The latest USB specifications (USB4) support 240W (48V @ 5A) for charging and 120Gbit/s for data transfer. That's more than enough juice to power a gaming laptop and much faster speed than any consumer broadband connection in the developed world. The universal connector will eliminate the need to have a different cable for every device, and best of all... it's backwards compatible which means a newer cable will always work with an older device and vice versa. This will lead to some confusion in the short term, but people will adapt. Newer standards and better naming conventions will continue to improve USB for decades to come. Apple is just upset because they're gonna lose out on some millions, but they need to suck it up and get aboard with the program. E-waste is a massive problem worldwide.
Apple is SURRRE one to talk about e-waste, considering that:
A. They do less about it compared to other tech companies, actually, they just brag about what they do (which half the time saves THEM money, cough cough charger in box) way dispositionately more. Their ad budget is probably destroying the planet more than they are helping it lmao
B. Their accessories and cables are literally designed with maximum planned obsolescence in mind. Their cables are well known to dicintigrate into dust after a few years, and their accessories are all made to die, and not have replaceable batteries.
It doesn't have to be like this. Some wireless buds ex. Sony's, and MOST Bluetooth headphones except for Apple's overpriced and overrated tin cans, are designed to have replaceable batteries. And some smart watches like the Galaxy Watch line are held together with... Not permanent adhesive designed intentionally to destroy the watch if you try to open it, but... *Gasp* SCREWS. Easily removable ones.
And yet the GW series are thinner and sleeker than Apple Watches with longer battery life. So I don't wanna hear any BS about permenant adhesive making things thinner and better.
@@datachu Wireless charging is also just really inefficient compared to wired charging
@@trashofthefourthquarter1142 Haha yeah true, it can be as bad as worse than 50% efficiency. Half your electricity is just... Going into the void. (Well becoming heat mostly, to be exact)
Makes it even more hypocritical that they want to push this as the future... For no real reason other than it looks kinda neat and, of course, "courage" (aka, makes us more money on accessory sales)
My gaming laptop has dual 330w power supplies. So I'd need three USB4 chargers instead of two regular chargers. Yay progress!
@@PsRohrbaugh that's on you for getting a laptop that requires over 600 watts of draw, no charger is designed for a laptop that stupid
My problem with portless is the limited range to access phone while charging.
Ikr I feel like an idiot using my phone while it's sitting on it's wireless charger
Yea
Aged like milk
I think they WILL update the law as the technology evolves. Appliances like fridges and vacuum cleaners have energy labels in the EU - those are updated from time to time, too, to keep up with technological advancements. What gets an A label today will only get a B or C label after the next update.
While they SHOULD keep the law updated, governments have never been good about it so I’m not sure why you have faith that they will.
@@MikeSpille the thing is the EU actually proved they update regulations. The energy regulations have ready been updated at leat two times. There was the first regulation with categories A-F, then they updated it with the A+ and A++ categories, and a couple of years ago they completely revamped the regulation with new standards with categories A-G. The EU is not your average government. They are ahead of most governments when it comes to technology. So yes, expect them to revise the standard after some years.
I feel like another thing to consider with wireless is the vehicles that only offer wired CarPlay. A lot of people have purchased or upgraded cars due to the convenience of car play and I feel that could really mess things up for the people that regularly use car play.
I was searching for this comment before I made it myself. Can’t agree more.
100% this.
That is true. One of my reasons buying the car I did was because of that. But I do think they make an adapter to plug into your car that you pair with your phone to use CarPlay wirelessly. Never tried it though and it would suck to buy it but there’s still a way to have it
If you buy a car based on the phone you use, then you have a big problem prioritizing your life
Yeah, mine is an example, but there are wired transmitters that covert the signal to wireless carplay
At the same time, I think that mandating usb type-c could breed a lot of innovation and investment into the type c connector. I’m not sure how close we are to the technical limits of what we could make a type c connector do, but tbh I don’t think there are any Apple products affected by this that could ever possibly be stifled by this new rule. I think Apple just doesn’t like the precedent it sets, and doesn’t like losing their MFI program money.
My MacBook Pro charges just fine with a USB-C, and I can also use it to drive a couple monitors. The connector is fine, Apple themselves are using it, heck they were the ones pushing for it when they removed USB-A from MacBooks. Refusing to put it on the iPhone (when the iPad has it) would just show how petty they are. My MacBook charger will charge my Thinkpad (from 2017), my Android phone, my Android tablet, but it won't charge an iPhone. So dumb.
Or more likely, stagnate since they cannot go out of the box and think different, like many small companies are want to do.. Your boxed into a single way now, and to even change it you have to get legislators off their ass and change it.. how 'easy' do you think that will be.. NOT - I get people may not like apple, but this SUCKS for innovation.. and is a horrible president because it doesn't JUST impact big companies..
@@yessitsme6884 USB-C is not as durable of a connector as lightning. The advantages that USB-C has over lightning are of very marginal utility on a phone. Apple is just using the connectors that make the most sense for each product. Use the more durable connector on the product whose ports get abused more. Use the higher bandwidth and wattage connector on devices that benefit a lot from more bandwidth and wattage.
It’s just a connector that you can add any function to. How it’s implemented is what matters. So Apple can make it the fastest, bestest, most amazing data transfer miracle cable on the market if they want that also only does the absolute base level usb2.0 charging and data transfer with non Apple devices.
Edit.
Hell they could probably even add an Mfi cert to a usbc cable as long as it was to implement some sort of Apple specific function.
The EU law is future proof on this, if a new option other than USB-C is needed, the port can change.