this is a good video to watch as where i work i most likely will be getting to use a Kramer for the first time tomorrow (friday). i work for a fertiliser company and i usually use a 8tonne linde forklift but recently this year my boss (who can train drivers) has been letting me use the Manitou's we usually have. but as we are short staffed tomorrow i got the choice of the linde which is not good at stacking 6 bags or the Kramer which i not used before so would be in the deep end but it would let me stack 6 bags (600kg bags) at a time to keep up with the line as the boss wants the Manitou so he can load trucks, he doesnt like the Kramer. we also have a JCB 560.80 i think it is for loading the hoppers as its seems the best, but the usual guy that drives the Kramer does load the hoppers from time to time as well as shunt the fertiliser when a ship comes in and tractos fill the bays. the guy that usually uses the Kramer likes it, finds the rear view camera useful and the thing is just as good as a Manitou. some guys prefer the Manitou for loading trucks as the suspension is softer, apparently. i will see how things go tomorrow lol
So if you look at three year value what is residual? What are spares costs? Service liabilities? If you trade to a current jcb where would you be? Much of this relates to the deal you do and the comfort you feel in use. So the argument sorry the discussion is a family one to a degree.
Joe you’ll get used to driving it with out using the brake pedal we have a schaffer with the same transmission and very rarely use the brake pedal, far nicer just using the accelerator pedal to drive.
Nice colour on the kramer like you overalls 😊 i had the same trouble with the scopes on my Diana i can't remember if i ever sorted it out. I got a good deal on a second hand KARL with scoop and silencer
I've driven Telehandlers on site for 25 or so years now and I too also drive by riding the brake. It's the BEST, SAFEST and ONLY way to drive. IMAO.👀🤔😀
As much as I hate to say it, That is a far nicer machine than the JCB. I used to operate a Class Scorpion 5030 which is virtually the same machine. Good bit of kit.
In my experience Kramer is a well built machine although some of the components I think feel a bit cheap. Like its built in Germany but more in the eastern part if you get what I mean. I have run various Kramer compact shovels and the main draw back in my opinion is the on road and towing performance. In the 480 loader I often operate you always run out of traction before power in low speed situations like taking a scoop out of gravel pile as an example but when you take it on the road it will never reach its claimed 40 km/h top speed unless going empty or downhill. It even says in the operators manual the machine will not reach its top speed unless in hard level ground and empty. This comes down to the way power is transmitted from the engine via oil to the transmission. Again I don't know if they have done things differently with their telehandlers. Other thing I don't like about like about most Kramer loaders is the lack of instrumentation but the have probably fixed that with that screen (as our 50 series loaders we don't even have a water temp gauge). Other than those thing they can withstand quite a lot of use and abuse at least in my experience.
Won't kramer have some sort of heath shield available for those exposed breaks? A machine that size will be used for straw stacking in Germany too right?
Brakes on the outside do still get hot when in road use especially merlos are known for setting the brakes on fire if you like the krammer try the new jcb they are far superior over the model like yours and I feel are better than krammer
Joe you should get a merlo the have a deutz engine and Olly has them and what do you think to that Olly will give Tom his tractors but probably not and Olly will do things for him but not 😢
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The brakes won't heat up because when you get used to it and drive it properly, you'll rarely ever use them.
That wave from Mick 😂😂 a man of desperation 😂😂
Joe new JCB business ❤❤❤
We have since 2022 a jcb 542-70 agrixtra and we have no problems with it.
The bucket reset feature would be good for the cutting the silage out of the clamp
this is a good video to watch as where i work i most likely will be getting to use a Kramer for the first time tomorrow (friday). i work for a fertiliser company and i usually use a 8tonne linde forklift but recently this year my boss (who can train drivers) has been letting me use the Manitou's we usually have. but as we are short staffed tomorrow i got the choice of the linde which is not good at stacking 6 bags or the Kramer which i not used before so would be in the deep end but it would let me stack 6 bags (600kg bags) at a time to keep up with the line as the boss wants the Manitou so he can load trucks, he doesnt like the Kramer.
we also have a JCB 560.80 i think it is for loading the hoppers as its seems the best, but the usual guy that drives the Kramer does load the hoppers from time to time as well as shunt the fertiliser when a ship comes in and tractos fill the bays. the guy that usually uses the Kramer likes it, finds the rear view camera useful and the thing is just as good as a Manitou. some guys prefer the Manitou for loading trucks as the suspension is softer, apparently. i will see how things go tomorrow lol
If your pre emissions control with your 9m. Spend the money and fix it up. As blue and DPF is just a nightmare
So if you look at three year value what is residual? What are spares costs? Service liabilities? If you trade to a current jcb where would you be? Much of this relates to the deal you do and the comfort you feel in use. So the argument sorry the discussion is a family one to a degree.
Joe you’ll get used to driving it with out using the brake pedal we have a schaffer with the same transmission and very rarely use the brake pedal, far nicer just using the accelerator pedal to drive.
Better to compare with the latest JCB. I’d love to see a hydrogen one 😝
Yeah that would be cool!
Nice colour on the kramer like you overalls 😊
i had the same trouble with the scopes on my Diana i can't remember if i ever sorted it out. I got a good deal on a second hand KARL with scoop and silencer
Hi Joe demonstrate a JCB 419 weapon
have a class scorpion same machine different badge had them for over 10 years never had issues brakes will only be used on the road so dont worry
When u havin the new cattle container 😳👌👌
Will be a long wait!
Brilliant review Joe
Best way to buy it is on 3 year purchase deal with warranty and service included covers you for repairs then upgrade at 3 years old
You MUST try a Manitou.
The joystick is amazing
Another great video joe 👍
Nice one.And interesting
All depends who signs the cheque 🤣
I've driven Telehandlers on site for 25 or so years now and I too also drive by riding the brake.
It's the BEST, SAFEST and ONLY way to drive. IMAO.👀🤔😀
you need to get a new JCB on demo to compare.
Brilliant review Joe 👍👍
Thanks 😊
Spend a week with it and you will love the transmission and the fact you wont use the brakes as much.
Kramer everyday you will get used to hydrostatic drive and love it, we are on our 3rd one, great machines our new 23 plate delivered this week
A KL 35.8T ours looks like a loading shovel, not a side boom
@ritch yeah but doesnt bend it's 4 wheel steer and telescopic too, unreal machine
You like the kramer telescopic loader, is it strange it not bending in the middle?
@@joeseels no it's so maneuverable we have some tight cattle sheds ideal for them
What's the difference in price that has to be a factor if it's significant, especially as the farm environment seems quite hard in them
My suggestion be with modern stuff buy more by dealer preference as all stuff now needs laptop occasionally at worst possible moment
As much as I hate to say it, That is a far nicer machine than the JCB. I used to operate a Class Scorpion 5030 which is virtually the same machine. Good bit of kit.
In my experience Kramer is a well built machine although some of the components I think feel a bit cheap. Like its built in Germany but more in the eastern part if you get what I mean. I have run various Kramer compact shovels and the main draw back in my opinion is the on road and towing performance. In the 480 loader I often operate you always run out of traction before power in low speed situations like taking a scoop out of gravel pile as an example but when you take it on the road it will never reach its claimed 40 km/h top speed unless going empty or downhill. It even says in the operators manual the machine will not reach its top speed unless in hard level ground and empty. This comes down to the way power is transmitted from the engine via oil to the transmission. Again I don't know if they have done things differently with their telehandlers. Other thing I don't like about like about most Kramer loaders is the lack of instrumentation but the have probably fixed that with that screen (as our 50 series loaders we don't even have a water temp gauge). Other than those thing they can withstand quite a lot of use and abuse at least in my experience.
Like the fact yhe boom sits lower
Is it the breaks or is it the handbrake
Don’t know there are two disk brakes though, one on front axel one on rear… what are they on merlo? In the axle?
Should you not be uploading instead of commenting on Joes video🤣
Won't kramer have some sort of heath shield available for those exposed breaks? A machine that size will be used for straw stacking in Germany too right?
A shield would probably fill wih straw and make things worse
I got the Kramer KT 407 2023 it's got more power then JCB .
Brilliant video
Thanks Stephen 😀
On the boom out I would say the Kramer just gets it
Buy British and I'll buy British beef.
Does it start in the cold
Brilliant comment, I like that… I believe it does 😂😂
Brilliant comment, I like that… I believe it does 😂😂
Brakes on the outside do still get hot when in road use especially merlos are known for setting the brakes on fire if you like the krammer try the new jcb they are far superior over the model like yours and I feel are better than krammer
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Joe you should get a merlo the have a deutz engine and Olly has them and what do you think to that Olly will give Tom his tractors but probably not and Olly will do things for him but not 😢
What does your dad think of Kramer?
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Its practically a copy.
Buy British
Surely you being an advocate of BRITISH BEEF you should be promoting BRITISH MANUFACTURING????
Better machines have a switch on the dashboard for the option to stop it disengaging out of gear when you touch the brakes.🤔 Modern TRASH..!
Jcb will always win,newer ones are even faster on hydraulics
@ritch doesn’t mean they all have it we have 2 jcb telehandlers all ran perfect
@ritch never had any bother,agri pro is next level ....hand throttle is perfect for bale spreaders/bucket brush etc