Why Didn't History Record The "Rapture" In 66-70 AD? Pt 9
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- More contextual considerations along with a look at 2 Timothy 3:1-7. The "last days" were in the first century leading up to Jerusalem's destruction. This demands a pre-70 AD authorship of Revelation.
Before I was full preterist, Jeremiah 31:31-34 always stuck out to me and never seemed to leave my thoughts. Now that I see the light of preterism, it all makes sense as to why that was. God Bless!
“Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”
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“Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”
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here see 1 John 2
Jeremiah said
I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts;
John said
I write to you, young men,
because you are strong,
and the word of God lives in you,
Jeremiah said
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord:
John said
As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit-just as it has taught you, remain in him.
Jeremiah said
for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord:
John said
I am writing to you, dear children
I am writing to you, fathers,
I am writing to you, young men,
because your sins have been forgiven on account of his name.
because you know him who is from the beginning.
because you have overcome the evil one
because you know the Father.
Jeremiah said
for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”
John said
because your sins have been forgiven on account of his name.
John said
I am writing to you, dear children
I am writing to you, fathers,
I am writing to you, young men,
John was writing to them because John was under the inspiration of the Spirit and he was proclaiming the fulfillment of Jeremiah's prophecy
that is WHY John was writing to them.
Peter stood up and said I’m in the wrong spot. Now that was funny.
Because the rapture hasnt happened yet?
@@cameronwalker294 Of course it has, the Bible tells us it did.
@@BecamePneuma I’m confused. The word ‘rapture’ doesn’t appear in the Bible.
@Triumph_of_the_Sky You are correct! 1 Thess 4:17 states a " sudden catching up together" which in Greek is 'harpazo" and in Latin is "rapiemur". The so-called rapture comes from the Latin.
@@CAREYLOU316 it implies a 'gathering together' in the sense of a mutual inclusion they would share in.
sometimes I get 'caught up' in the chat threads and can go on for days chatting with someone. And some chatthreads I do not get 'caught up' in.
The Christians in Thessalonica were 'caught up' together with Christ in His victory over their mutual enemy(OC Judea)
1 Thes 4
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
The first thing to understand is that Paul is speaking a prophecy from God the Father. The HS in Paul is moving Paul to write the Lord's prophecy down for the church in Thessalonica to help them get through that tribulation and persecutions they were getting from their own people and also from the Jews. The God who gave Paul this prophecy to speak is the same God who knows the day and the hour of the judgment they were awaiting.
God the Father knows the day and the hour of the coming of Christ on the clouds of heaven(judgment)and God says that some of those Thessalonians would still be alive at the coming of the Lord.
that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord
Paul was writing this letter to the Thessalonians to help them through the time they were going through, he was giving them this information so they would come to understand the victory was about to come for them and this was to comfort them in their time of sorrow.
This prophecy was not given for anyone else but that first century church.
It did. After the premillenial idea was released in the 60-70s, the account gradually faded into oblivion and eventually disappeared altogether.
Pastor Gallaghor i have to Correct you on the 4:49 it is not So much the Left as it is the World Economic Forum and the Fact that LA is due to Become a smart city in 2028
No one can rob me of Jesus Christ. No one can rob me of the blessed hope. All Glory to Jesus Christ.
Nobody is trying to rob you of Jesus Christ or the blessed hope. The rapture is not the blessed hope, being with Christ forever when we die is the blessed hope.
Jim,
The way you have to twist and turn the scripture to make a current rapture fit the narrative has never made sense to me! Thank you for sharing what I believe is the truth! Please keep up the good news! It’s making more of an impact than you know!
I almost never directly respond to comments due to time constraints...but seeing I am here anyways let me make this observation if I may. Based on your first statement, I presume you are a CBV preterist? If so, I have to say, the CBV view seems like the king of all twists and turns! Yikes. My view of the gathering of the saints seems to me very straight forward and natural. Now, maybe I have misjudged your position. But I am glad you join us, and I appreciate your cordial perplexity. Nice to see! I do get tired of seeing preterists forever debating each other and forming their camps of thought, oftentimes with a little too much bitterness and one upmanship. I do think that many CBV folks have crossed a dangerous line when it comes to regeneration and the gospel. In all seriousness, it does worry me. But... glad you're here! And if I am having any impact, I would know little of it. I do not do Facebook and the whole social media free-for-all group thing. You can learn some stuff that way but I do not think the constant bickering is really healthy. So... peace brother!
13:36 if the man is sinned was revealed who was it? When antichrist who Jesus and Daniel spoke of sit in the temple and demand worship?
There are plenty of candidates for the man of lawless during the time Paul said he was living in.
Paul informed the Thessalonians in person as to who was restraining the man of Lawlessness.
2 Thessalonians 2:5-6
Do you not remember that when I was *still with you I told you these things?*
6 And now *you know what is* restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time.
He didn’t tell you because you were not one of the ones who were alive and would remain until the second coming (1 Thess. 4:15-17).
Daniel does not mention the antichrist, that is an assumption. Either way, it does not matter because Daniel’s 490 year prophecy ended with the destruction of Jerusalem and the second temple. There is no prophecy of a third physical, earthy temple. We are well passed 490 years, so unless you believe Daniel was a false prophet, then the 70 Weeks is already fulfilled,
Jesus did not say that the man of sin or the antichrist would sit in the temple. He did say that the disciples would see the abomination of desolation that Daniel spoke of and that they should flee Jerusalem when they did. Luke tells us that the abomination of desolation was the armies surrounding Jerusalem. Jesus also, said that it would take place in their generation.
Funny how, in their generation the armies surrounded Jerusalem, the Christians fled to Pella (what gave them the idea to do that) and Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed, but that is not what Jesus was talking about right? Just a coincidence I suppose.
Did you remove links I shared to other preterist pastors?
No, I didn't. I do not fiddle around with editing comments. Could UA-cam have done that for some reason? When I set up this channel I never read anything about how they operate. I am clueless to that stuff. But I did pick the option for moderate editing on their part. I thought that was just for editing out vulgarities and obvious nonsense... but I wouldn't think that was it. So, I don't know what happened to your links. At any rate, thanks for listening! I do enjoy many of your comments. Nice to hear a friendly "voice" once in a while in a sea of dispensational nay-sayers.:) But hey...dispy contrarians... glad you show up and listen too! I want you to listen in. I do understand your bewildered frustration at times. It sort of goes with the territory when you first hear stuff like this. I get it. But just try and not throw so many stones. I mean, I don't mind you throwing stuff, just try and make it something softer if you can. I know I've got a hard noggin but... come on!😏
@ wasn’t throwing stone. Just trying to figure out what happened. I really didn’t think it was you but I had to ask cause I sure can’t ask screwtube. The person was young in preterism and want links to other teachings. I sent him over half dozen and they all got intercepted. Carrion.
@@pauldmckee Don't think Pastor was referring to you throwing stones, but rather the dispensational nay-sayers. I also enjoy your comments, by the way, If you're ever in Rhode Island, would love to have you join us for Sunday service.
@ I almost moved to Rhode Island in 1982 but the Lord directed me to Las Vegas where he called me to follow Him. I’m back in ohio since 1986 where I started.
You have 2 things you cannot fit so therefore it cannot have happened
1 When did the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God?
2 When did And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders hid in caves telling the rocks to fall on them and hide them from Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb?
that OC temple of God was in Jerusalem, that Paul said the 'son of perdition' would sit in.
The prophecy was fulfilled while that temple still existed, that temple does not exist today and never will exist again.
@@ophiuchus9071 Great who was it that sat in that temple and declared themselves to be god??
And why are all you guys making claims but dont feel you have to provide details
really weird, do a lot of people just take your word for it
I literally can say Donald duck sat inhere in 68 ad and would have provided more then you or the other guys who is claiming the kings and generals and rich men hid in caves from the lamb in 70 AD and also does not feel he has to provide any details as I should just accept it as true
Funny how Jesus said dont just believe people
“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand.
26 “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.
it is of the land not of the earth.
@@ChristCenteredEschatology while I disagree with that
What difference does it make?
It still doesn’t somehow make the scripture fit 70 AD
It still doesn’t put kings Richmond, commanders, and mighty men into caves hiding from the lamb
@@ChristCenteredEschatology while I disagree with that, what difference does it make?
It still doesn’t put kings commanders, generals, mighty men, and Richmond into caves, hiding from the lamb
Alot of people think that what is happening in isreal now is what jesus said in mathew 24 can revelation repeat itself
No, the idea of “dual fulfillment” is a dead end and riddled with serious problems.
What about eating Pork or Shrimp?
Hebrews 1:1-2 they were living in the last days because they were living in the age of Grace we're still in that age therefore we are also living in the last days
@@danksta7103 No because Hebrews was written prior to 70 AD. The last days ended in 70 AD
Not only that, but John said that he was living in the last hour! So that clearly indicates that by the time John wrote that, he was far closer to the parousia. Thus, for John, "the time was FAR SPENT"... and "the DAY WAS AT HAND". Now, if Jesus still has not come 2,000 years later, that relative time distinction of the last days vs. the last hour would have no meaning. So, Mr. danksta7103... try and keep an open mind. This comes "line upon line, precept upon precept." 🙂
If all things have come to pass as you say, why did Israel become a nation again in 1948? How could National Israel be saved back in the first century even though they weren’t even a nation?
They are no longer God's chosen people. How could they return when God said they can only return if they turn back to him. They hadn't done that in 1948 and they still haven't today. The New Covenant has nothing to do with physical land or ethnicity and the Old Covenant is no longer standing.
@@ChristCenteredEschatology Where does Scripture say that God’s chosen people are no longer God’s chosen people? Where does it say they can only return back to the land of Israel if they turn back to him? If the dead in Christ were resurrected in the first century, who then were the 144,000 of Rev. 7:4? As a Preterist, do you actually believe all the Trumpet and Bowl Judgements were carried out on the earth way back then without there being any recorded history of it? Honestly!
@@MrGonia1 Here is my response to your first question:
Where does Scripture say that God’s chosen people are no longer God’s chosen people?
*Israel’s Prophesied End*
The foundational prophecy for all prophecy is Deuteronomy 32, which foretells Israel's latter end. Come, let us reason together:
Acts 3:22-23
For Moses truly said to the fathers, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear in all things, whatever He says to you. And it shall be that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.’
This is a direct fulfillment of Deuteronomy 18:15-19.
Jesus referred to the first-century Jews as evil, adulterous, unrepentant, and wicked, fulfilling Deuteronomy 32:5, 20. (The only city in a covenant marriage relationship with God was Jerusalem.) Peter reaffirms this in Acts 2:40, which follows his declaration that the events of Pentecost were the fulfillment of Joel 2:28ff.
Israel’s end was also prophesied in Daniel 9:24-27 and Daniel 12:1-7. Jesus clearly situated Daniel’s 70 weeks and Daniel 12:1-7 within the lifetime of His original first-century audience.
If Old Covenant Israel did not-or does not-come to an end, then God is a covenant breaker. The end of Old Covenant Israel is directly tied to the creation of a new heavens and a new earth. (See Isaiah 51, especially verse 6, to connect the dots.)
Isaiah 65:15-17
You shall leave your name as a curse to My chosen;
For the Lord God will slay you,
And call His servants by another name;
So that he who blesses himself in the earth
Shall bless himself in the God of truth;
And he who swears in the earth
Shall swear by the God of truth;
Because the former troubles are forgotten,
And because they are hidden from My eyes.
“For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth;
And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.”
*So who are God’s elect people today?*
Ephesians 2:14-22
For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.
Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.
Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Christ.
The short answer is: all who are in Christ. (I have a two-part video series called “Who’s Who?” that provides the long answer.)
There is no longer a distinction between Jew and Greek:
Colossians 3:11 (also 2:28)
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all.
@@MrGonia1
Here is my response to your second question:
1. Acknowledge Their Sin
Israel had to recognize and confess their disobedience and the resulting covenant curses:
Leviticus 26:40-42
“But if they confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their fathers, with their unfaithfulness in which they were unfaithful to Me, and that they also have walked contrary to Me, and that I also have walked contrary to them and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if their uncircumcised hearts are humbled, and they accept their guilt-then I will remember My covenant with Jacob, and My covenant with Isaac, and My covenant with Abraham I will remember; I will remember the land.”
This passage emphasizes confession, humility, and acceptance of guilt as prerequisites for restoration.
2. Repentance and Wholehearted Return to God
Israel needed to turn back to God with all their heart and soul, obeying His voice:
Deuteronomy 30:1-3
“Now it shall come to pass, when all these things come upon you, the blessing and the curse which I have set before you, and you call them to mind among all the nations where the Lord your God drives you, and you return to the Lord your God and obey His voice, according to all that I command you today, you and your children, with all your heart and with all your soul, that the Lord your God will bring you back from captivity, and have compassion on you, and gather you again from all the nations where the Lord your God has scattered you.”
Deuteronomy 30:9-10
“The Lord your God will make you abound in all the work of your hand, in the fruit of your body, in the increase of your livestock, and in the produce of your land for good. For the Lord will again rejoice over you for good as He rejoiced over your fathers, if you obey the voice of the Lord your God, to keep His commandments and His statutes which are written in this Book of the Law, and if you turn to the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.”
These passages make it clear that restoration is contingent upon heartfelt repentance and obedience.
3. Obedience to the Covenant Commandments
Restoration required obedience to the commandments given under the Mosaic Covenant:
Deuteronomy 4:29-31
“But from there you will seek the Lord your God, and you will find Him if you seek Him with all your heart and with all your soul. When you are in distress, and all these things come upon you in the latter days, when you turn to the Lord your God and obey His voice (for the Lord your God is a merciful God), He will not forsake you nor destroy you, nor forget the covenant of your fathers which He swore to them.”
Leviticus 26:3-12 (Blessings for obedience):
If Israel obeyed God’s commandments, they would experience blessings, including prosperity in the land.
4. Humble Themselves Before God
Humble repentance is a consistent requirement for restoration:
2 Chronicles 7:14 (Although not in the Torah, it reflects the same principle)
“If My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.”
Here is what God did during the return from Babylonian captivity:
Ezekiel 20:38
“I will purge the rebels from among you, and those who transgress against Me; I will bring them out of the country where they dwell, but they shall not enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Lord.”
Israel today, and Israel in 1948, certainly still reject Christ. They did not then, and they do not now, follow the Mosaic Covenant. They can’t, because God fulfilled it and brought it to its end.
Israel today is mostly agnostic and atheistic. Those who are religious reject Christ. All the Law and the Prophets have been fulfilled; therefore, there is no Old Covenant. It was the Old Covenant that established Israel as God’s elect, and with its end, Israel lost its special status as God’s elect. They become God’s elect the same way we do:
Romans 1:16
“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.”
That is why Jesus’s words in Matthew 5:17-18 are proven to be true:
Matthew 5:17-18
“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.”
If the Law has been fulfilled, then the heavens and the earth have passed away, or Jesus was wrong.
Consider that the temple, all its vessels, and the genealogical records required for the Levitical priesthood were destroyed in 70 AD. There can be little doubt that at least a great many jots and tittles have passed from the law.
@@MrGonia1 Here is my response to question 3
"f the dead in Christ were resurrected in the first century, who then were the 144,000 of Revelation 7:4?"
First off, they weren’t the dead in Christ. They were the remnant of Old Covenant Israel. The remnant is a theme found throughout the Bible. This is the same remnant referenced in Isaiah 65:15.
The 144,000 were the first to be redeemed from mankind. If you are still waiting for them to be redeemed, then you are not:
Revelation 14:4
"These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb."
The 144,000 are the remnant of Old Covenant Israel. Paul spoke of this remnant in Romans 11, and here is what Paul said about when this remnant would be alive:
Romans 11:5
"Even so then, *at this present time* there is a remnant according to the election of grace."
This makes perfect sense because God gave John the Revelation of things that must take place shortly (as stated at both the beginning and the end):
Revelation 1:1
"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants-things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John."
Revelation 22:6
"Then he said to me, 'These words are faithful and true.' And the Lord God of the holy prophets sent His angel to show His servants the things which must shortly take place."
John also stated that the time was near, both at the beginning and the end:
Revelation 1:3
"Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near."
Revelation 22:10
"And he said to me, 'Do not seal the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is at hand.'"
Furthermore, John told the seven historical churches, which existed when he wrote, that they would be blessed if they kept the things in the prophecy, because the time was near (Revelation 1:3, beginning). Jesus reiterated this in Revelation 22:7 (the end), when He said:
"Behold, I am coming quickly! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book."
A Question of God's Promises
Is God in the business of making empty promises to people who are suffering real persecution? If you believe that He told the seven churches these things, but they were really meant for us, then you must admit that God is a promise breaker.
If God broke His promise to them, what makes you think He will keep it for you?
Total false teaching
Dont waste our time. People, READ YOUR BIBLE ! This stuff is blatant heresy!