As long as Mel isn't espousing heretical theology that translates to his projects. Like when people stopped watching The Chosen because they found out Mormons owned it.
Toward the end of interview, Mel mentions his experience with a witch doctor who apparently lifts him 8 inches off the ground in attempts to heal his body. I take what he says with a grain of salt.
@@LS-et7pz his poor choices don't negate the science of the shroud. I'm a pretty skeptical person and the explanations by the priests featured on Pints and Lila Rose are amazing. Enjoy! 😊
Joe’s eyes are slowly opening. Think back where he was just a year or 2 ago. Pray for him, he’s coming into the Kingdom whether he realizes it or not! ❤
@@Unxpekted The term “by marriage” means the relation is “by marriage” instead of “by blood”. So if I say “she’s my aunt, by marriage” I’m informing that even though we are family, we are not blood related, not that I married my aunt. Welcome to 5th grade English and reading comprehension. If you need more pointers I can get my 15 year old son to tutor you further…
12:05 The Shroud evidence is what I needed to cement my faith in Christ, I’ve always been unsure but now I feel like it was his way of communicating to me that he is the TRUTH…💯✝️🙌🏻
Some proponents for the authenticity of the shroud have attempted to discount the radiocarbon dating result by claiming that the sample may represent a medieval "invisible" repair fragment rather than the image-bearing cloth.[86][19][87][88][89][90][excessive citations] However, all of the hypotheses used to challenge the radiocarbon dating have been scientifically refuted,[20][15] including the medieval repair hypothesis,[16][17] the bio-contamination hypothesis[19] and the carbon monoxide hypothesis.[20]
@@pixdav It got shot down when a law suit finally forced the raw data to be released and the conclusions drawn from an analysis of said raw data - and that they did not follow proper protocols (even though those were well specified ahead of time and agreed to) - under cut it as being scientifically credible. Basically the whole matter of the law suit exposed what looks to be a scandal.
Im sorry that you needed proof! I'm m sorry you needed evidence! Yet my heart sings that you found it my brother welcome home the mission is ongoing we have to save as many doubters as possible. Share your belief! Share the revelation that lead to the proof that you needeed. God is great! Jesus love you my brother❤
The shroud is right up his alley and I've been waiting for him to engage someone on it more thoughtfully. This was a nice surprise. Those who know, know that once you believe in the resurrection, it's over and nothing else matters, forever and God would leave a miracle that is genuinely miraculous and would confound all humanity forever.
@Ezzell_ the average lifespan was 30-35 years... you have no evidence to support your observation, in fact the evidence is against you and it is overwhelming.
@@theneighborguy We know the time frame of His death based on the who was king at the the time, Herod, the eclipse that happened, and other historical text written about Jesus... yes we know He was within 2 years. Jesus would not have walking around like an old man.
@Ezzell_ The underlying issue you have is you believe the image is of an old man because it "looks" like an old man. The image is not photo-realistic, it's a negative image of a man who was bloody and beaten. For starters, I recommend looking up why icons of Christ look the way they do, particularly the eyes. Just because you think it looks like an old man doesn't mean it is, I have never thought that so I am confused about how you came to think it does other than playing the name a cloud game. There are 3d models based directly on the shroud clearly showing a 30-something-year-old man. Did you know the shroud contained 3d data?
As a catholic i new it was real for a long time. Now its time to look into the Eucharistic miracles from all over the world. Or the incorruptible bodies of the saints, or the image of Guadalupe, i can go on and on how God worked miracles in his church for 2,000 years.
Ruslan I know you turned off the comments on your update video. Just wanted to extend my condolences. My buddy was 38 and passed away and he went into the hospital and didn't come back out. Going to the celebration of life tomorrow. This is why I respect you. Because you keep it real. Don't beat yourself up bro I get it though. Praying bro. I don't know how anyone goes through these things without Jesus and a Church family.
I thank God for all supernatural evidence he gave us, but the Shroud is not the most amazing object on the planet. His Word is the true treasure. It reveals Christ to us, changes us to righteousness, gives us wisdom and much more
"object"... signs, wonders, miracles... artifacts. His Word is still relevant 2K years later still seeking "evidence". You (we jars of clay) are most valuable to Him... everything else is chaff.
Ruslan, my prayer is with you and your family. My wife passed last July, just to write this makes me emotional. Grief is an amazing thing, it changes, new things come up, and it's hard not to keep looking back as this world just keeps moving forward. So, God be with you, comforting you and your family, with His peace, each and everyday, and in each moment. In Jesus' name, brother.
Loved hearing your input on this one Zach! I recently heard about the shroud of Turin this past summer from somebody who actually got to study it and test it in person! Loving the content and praying for you Ruslan❤
Praying for you and your family Ruslan. ❤ Know God is walking with you and your family at this time. Im sorry for your pain. There's no way to avoid any of this pain. Grief can ve such a free fall.
The authenticity of the Shroud is another example of evidence for the existence of Jesus along with other relics that Protestants typically reject out of hand!
Ruslan, God put Joe Rogan on my heart long ago and he is and will remain on my prayer list! I know in my spirit that it is just a matter of when. What a platform he has in the Name, for the Name of Jesus! Love your content! God bless y’all and thank you for sharing!
I watch the full 3 hour interview with West Huff . Have you guys notice iets the only time where i have seen Joe Rogan fully engage and silent and wants to know more and more ,same happens in this interview with Mel Gibson . I believe the seed is planted in Joe Rogan. All Glory to God almigthy
@dentryn4365 i understand that .but life throws us curve ball and the next thing you know your heart will be harden againts any believes about God or Jesus . And i was there from being born again to trying to convince people that the god they pray to is evil and the bible is being used to control you and using the bible to prove my point . But now im saved by his mighty grace and repented for my sins and im free and learning and preaching the good news 😁
@ Perhaps Joe Rogan is going through some of what you mentioned, but prayer is powerful e.g. St. Monica prayed for her son Augustine for 17 years so there is always hope. You never know what will happen if he sticks with Mel Gibson.
@dentryn4365 i agree with you .with prayer everything is possible . That will be a big score for the kingdom of the Lord Jesus Christ🙌🙌. And those who will follow him .i can imagine the celebratiom in heaven 😁😁
As a person who grew up in Protestant household i thought these called “Catholic artifacts “ is rubbish and all made up by the RCC but as things developed through the years im on the tipping point the the shroud is authentic…
Regarding resurrection, look in Yogananda's book - "Autobiography of a Yogi"; there Yogananda describes how his guru visited him, a few days after the guru's death (perhaps 4o), in his room, while he was meditating, how they had a touching encounter, how Yogananda was inordinately joyfully squeezing the guru's "new" body, (created for on that occasion), and how they had a long, joyful and touching conversation.. The book also added that it is quite normal in India, for a guru to visit his disciples after death, (and the disciples are also trained to that's what they see); but we still wonder if there is a resurrection, and is there life after death, and if Jesus could be resurrected... Love from Belgrade, Serbia... 💜
@@Ezzell_it's not an old man. The hair looks white because it's a photo negative image, his hair would have been dark because it shows up as white in the photo negative. It's also a 3d body on a 2d picture (the shroud was not perfectly flat on his face, it was shaped around the face, so this distorts the image slightly. You can find a 3d replica of the man if you google it. It's the difference between the earth depicted as a sphere and on a 2d map (the map shows incorrect proportions of either the water or the land mass)
It just hit me. We NEED the two duos to come together and conversate! Taylor and Jake from the deep end and you guys. I feel like it gives off the same energy and I can’t put my finger on it but you guys getting on a podcast together would scratch my brain 💯
Many years ago I saw a presentation about the shroud where physicists were discussing the image and one of them was sure it was a singularity just like the one that created the universe.
Heavenly father, do your will. Thank you for these men for providing entertainment that is clean and informative. We pray for Joe you continue to work on his heart and for Mel you provide him with wisdom and guide him, Lord continue to reveal yourself to those who don't know you, and for us, that we continue to hunger and long to know you more, day by day. Thank you for your grace and bless this chat. In Jesus name. Amen.
We have to remember, it isn’t just the Shroud. The Sudarium of Oviedo has matching blood type O Negative. Both pieces have the same dust and pollen from the area.
Can the Bless God Summit be viewed online? I am interested in watching what is said about family & marriage and live in Canada. Cheers and God bless to all watching/reading. ✝️
I was blown away when I saw the image of what Jesus of the shroud would look like without all the trauma he was put through. I could feel the eyes looking right through me. There are two images online and both made me weep to think that this is the face I hope to see say “Well done my good and faithful servant”. There are too many things that they keep finding whether it to disprove (which they can’t) or prove. Plus it survived a fire and was wet and the image stayed. As long as we don’t worship it as an idol, who is to say. It doesn’t change my faith either way. I wish Joe would get J Warner in next. I like his biography and faith journey. He’s a cold case detective that was a staunch atheist.
Gary Habermas has a great in depth lecture he gives on the shroud where he also mentioned the coins on the eyes. I think he even shows it. Also mentions that there are paintings that date hundreds of years older than the original dating of the shroud where the paintings show a mark through the beard on the paintings and the mark is on the same spot on the shroud which should predate the shroud older as theirs no explanations why these paintings would have a random mark through the beard in the same spot as the shroud if the artist wasn’t using it as a reference
I’m a catholic and will be forever! I love my mother Mary and I will never deny her purity and her virginity God Bless all that talk bad about her! Please show respect at all times to my god Jesus mother! 🙏❤️🌷🌷🌷
First, RIP Barrie Schwortz, who kept the Shroud discussion alive all these years. I wish he was here for this. As for the identification of coins and other artifacts, these seem to come from Italian radiographers using attenuation rates to locate matter in the image that is obscure to the untrained eye, (the fact that radiologic attenuation rates work is immense in and of itself). In the studies, clothing, small relics, nails, and even the crown of thorns are allegedly identified, (the plant of the crown being identified as thorny burnet). While I am no radiologist, I have training in sonography and what overlaps seems solid: the image is consistent with an omnidirectional energetic event, (or numerous extremely precise directional events), originating from within the body. Faint imagery of variable resolution can also be seen where alleged objects have been detected, which is consistent with different material density breaking down the signal. I cannot attest to the ultimate conclusions as ultrasonic and radiologic physics are different, but the foundational data looks promising.
5:30 - not disagreeing, just clarifying. In the 80's, when they analyzed The Shroud, the container in which The Shroud was stored was (in some way) included in the analysis. I don't know if it was wood splinter or what, but in any event, that foreign object resulted in The Shroud being dated much later than it actually was. Personally, I don't need The Shroud to confirm my belief, and (not "so") I don't care what the results were/are, but that's me.
I’d change Mel’s statement. “How many people do you know today and in history who’ve gone through persecution, torture and death for something they know to be a lie?”
that wasnt mels point, jonestown follwers died for what they believed to be true, mel gibson is making a point that people dont die, especially painful deaths, for something they know is a lie. therefor it follows that the disciples dying for a claim, a claim about what they saw, and given that they died for that claim it adds tremendous credibility to it. they were either telling the truth about what they saw, or lying about what they saw, and people dont die for lies.
@jacobsimmons4599 I agree that would've been MUCH better wording but for one, it's live for him and two, his house burned down while filming this episode, so now critiquing it even in jest feels a bit off - all the best to him and his family
What’s fascinating about the shroud is the placement of the wounds in the wrists. Look up any medieval art and it will depict the wounds in the hands, but the shroud is medically accurate to putting the nails through the bones of the wrists.
The shroud was verified in 1986, the findings were buried, the only recent activity was the freedom of information case that was won, they never planned on us learning this.
Much respect for Mel Gibson. He’s 1000% solid in my book. I don’t feel the need for caveats about how I don’t agree with everything he’s ever said. I don’t agree with everything ANY man has ever said because I’m a grown man who is a critical thinking human being. AnyHOO, Melly Mel with the clientele is a Man that I put in the good guy column. An ally.
Can we imagine that if the shroud of Turin is real, it is the most holy object in history, maybe more holy than the Αrk of the Covenant. It depicts the moment that Jesus defeated death and saved humanity!
Young man, the truth is; that the Catholic Church is the one true Church …. Period. You guys are well studied, but you’re missing a big mark! Love ya all!
John Campbell did a great video on his reaction to the shroud. Campbell is not a professing Christian so his reaction is so authentic and poignant. He said there is no way it’s a forgery because the human anatomy imprint on the shroud is perfect and there were no painters who possessed that degree of realism.
Gibson is a sedevacantist and I believe his parents were as well. They don't consider themselves protestant as your partner suggested. They do consider themselves traditional Catholics and believe the last valid pope was Pius XII. They also do believe in the legitimacy of the papacy, papal infallibility and the primacy of the Roman Pontiff. Some of them have been excommunicated by the Catholic church.
Sedevacantists are protestants, whether that acknowledge them or not. They are Christians who are in schism with mainstream Catholicism they originate from, or in a "protest" against Catholic Church. Their goal is exactly the same Luther's was - to bring the Catholic Church back on track from modern heresies. The fact that they have different dogmas to other protestants is irrelevant. Many protestant denominations have all kinds of different basic beliefs. Child vs adult baptism. Real presence vs memorial view, etc. etc.
Condolences to your family, I hope the collective prayers offered have brought some peace. The shroud will eventually prove the whole story of the resurrection of Christ. I think of it as Jesus' selfie.
I appreciate Mel Gibson. He is a Christian. We that declare Jesus Christ as our savior need to stick together and help others with fact and intellect like Mr. Gibson. Do the shirt...I'll buy one
Mel Gibson is a brother in Christ. Pray for Mel and his upcoming project. It's for the body. It's for the Kingdom. It's for our Father's name sake.
Excited to see it!
As long as Mel isn't espousing heretical theology that translates to his projects. Like when people stopped watching The Chosen because they found out Mormons owned it.
@@Tee-roni that’s why we have scripture, not a movie.
Mr Gibson is a superstitious man who makes baseless assertions, as he did in this video.
@@edwardhah2244 What's the upcoming project that he's working on?
Pints With Aquinas has one of the best deep dives into the Shroud of Turin. Highly recommend it 👌
Toward the end of interview, Mel mentions his experience with a witch doctor who apparently lifts him 8 inches off the ground in attempts to heal his body.
I take what he says with a grain of salt.
Yes!! Such an amazing episode. I read the book too.
@@LS-et7pz his poor choices don't negate the science of the shroud. I'm a pretty skeptical person and the explanations by the priests featured on Pints and Lila Rose are amazing. Enjoy! 😊
@@LS-et7pzif you believe in the Bible and Jesus, you must believe in which craft and evil.
That interview with Fr. Andrew Dalton was incredible.
I have been specifically praying for Rogan to have 1. Wes Huff on and then 2. Someone to explain the Shroud to him. Doooood! God is so good!!!
Please PRAY for Joe and his listeners! God works through our prayers😊
Ruslan. So sorry for your loss 💔 Thank you for being real with your audience. Praying for you and your family for peace and comfort 🙏 🕊
Wes Huf and then immediately Mel Gibson presses him on the Resurrection. Lord please open Joe's eyes!! Exciting times.
Joe’s eyes are slowly opening. Think back where he was just a year or 2 ago. Pray for him, he’s coming into the Kingdom whether he realizes it or not! ❤
Johnathan Roumie next! Pray for this!!!
Praying for your family Ruslan and I'm so sorry for all the suffering you're going through 🙏🙏
What happened?
@@Unxpekted The California fires
His niece (by marriage) died from a degenerative illness.
@@oxtailsoup6493 he married his niece?
@@Unxpekted The term “by marriage” means the relation is “by marriage” instead of “by blood”. So if I say “she’s my aunt, by marriage” I’m informing that even though we are family, we are not blood related, not that I married my aunt.
Welcome to 5th grade English and reading comprehension. If you need more pointers I can get my 15 year old son to tutor you further…
12:05 The Shroud evidence is what I needed to cement my faith in Christ, I’ve always been unsure but now I feel like it was his way of communicating to me that he is the TRUTH…💯✝️🙌🏻
Blew me away seeing this new evidence. I’ve been telling everyone in my family about it and helped solidify my beliefs.
Some proponents for the authenticity of the shroud have attempted to discount the radiocarbon dating result by claiming that the sample may represent a medieval "invisible" repair fragment rather than the image-bearing cloth.[86][19][87][88][89][90][excessive citations] However, all of the hypotheses used to challenge the radiocarbon dating have been scientifically refuted,[20][15] including the medieval repair hypothesis,[16][17] the bio-contamination hypothesis[19] and the carbon monoxide hypothesis.[20]
@@pixdav It got shot down when a law suit finally forced the raw data to be released and the conclusions drawn from an analysis of said raw data - and that they did not follow proper protocols (even though those were well specified ahead of time and agreed to) - under cut it as being scientifically credible. Basically the whole matter of the law suit exposed what looks to be a scandal.
Im sorry that you needed proof! I'm m sorry you needed evidence! Yet my heart sings that you found it my brother welcome home the mission is ongoing we have to save as many doubters as possible. Share your belief! Share the revelation that lead to the proof that you needeed. God is great! Jesus love you my brother❤
Great! Now read The Gospels.
The shroud is right up his alley and I've been waiting for him to engage someone on it more thoughtfully. This was a nice surprise.
Those who know, know that once you believe in the resurrection, it's over and nothing else matters, forever and God would leave a miracle that is genuinely miraculous and would confound all humanity forever.
💯 🙏🏻
Jesus was crucified at 33 or abouts. That image is of a very old man. Christ would not have looked like an od manat 33.
@Ezzell_ the average lifespan was 30-35 years... you have no evidence to support your observation, in fact the evidence is against you and it is overwhelming.
@@theneighborguy We know the time frame of His death based on the who was king at the the time, Herod, the eclipse that happened, and other historical text written about Jesus... yes we know He was within 2 years. Jesus would not have walking around like an old man.
@Ezzell_ The underlying issue you have is you believe the image is of an old man because it "looks" like an old man.
The image is not photo-realistic, it's a negative image of a man who was bloody and beaten.
For starters, I recommend looking up why icons of Christ look the way they do, particularly the eyes.
Just because you think it looks like an old man doesn't mean it is, I have never thought that so I am confused about how you came to think it does other than playing the name a cloud game.
There are 3d models based directly on the shroud clearly showing a 30-something-year-old man. Did you know the shroud contained 3d data?
As a catholic i new it was real for a long time. Now its time to look into the Eucharistic miracles from all over the world. Or the incorruptible bodies of the saints, or the image of Guadalupe, i can go on and on how God worked miracles in his church for 2,000 years.
Amazing conversation and I cannot wait to see Jim Caviezel on there 🤞🏽
Agreed and also, Johnathan Roumie. With the success of The Chosen and the premier of S5 coming up at Easter, this needs to happen!
Ruslan I know you turned off the comments on your update video. Just wanted to extend my condolences. My buddy was 38 and passed away and he went into the hospital and didn't come back out. Going to the celebration of life tomorrow.
This is why I respect you. Because you keep it real. Don't beat yourself up bro I get it though. Praying bro. I don't know how anyone goes through these things without Jesus and a Church family.
The most amazing object on the planet. Thank you, our Glorious Lord.
I thank God for all supernatural evidence he gave us, but the Shroud is not the most amazing object on the planet. His Word is the true treasure. It reveals Christ to us, changes us to righteousness, gives us wisdom and much more
“I treasure your word above all else; it keeps me from sinning against you.”
Psalms 119:11 CEV
"object"... signs, wonders, miracles... artifacts. His Word is still relevant 2K years later still seeking "evidence". You (we jars of clay) are most valuable to Him... everything else is chaff.
it’s not from Christ the bible clearly says Christ was wrapped in strips of cloth not one piece
Jesus was crucified at 33 or abouts. That image is of a very old man. Christ would not have looked like an od manat 33.
“I treasure your word above all else; it keeps me from sinning against you.”
Psalms 119:11 CEV
Much love Ruslan, praying for your family. Stay strong brother let the lord be your rock!
God is Great 🙏🏾💯, Tacoma , Wa
"Buddha didn't do that ish" lol I'd buy that
To be fair, the chances of Buddhas going to heaven are much higher if the accounts of their lives are correct 🤷
@@ImmaWrongdoer if
And Mohammed is in the grave.
Ruslan, my prayer is with you and your family. My wife passed last July, just to write this makes me emotional. Grief is an amazing thing, it changes, new things come up, and it's hard not to keep looking back as this world just keeps moving forward.
So, God be with you, comforting you and your family, with His peace, each and everyday, and in each moment. In Jesus' name, brother.
God bless you brother, as you said grief is an amazing thing it just taught me a new perspective and I thank you man👌🏽👌🏽 in all things give thanks
Loved hearing your input on this one Zach! I recently heard about the shroud of Turin this past summer from somebody who actually got to study it and test it in person! Loving the content and praying for you Ruslan❤
protestants - the shroud of Turin is miraculous, it is the burial cloth of Jesus... Catholics - your point is? we have said this for centuries.
Prayers for you and your family, thank you for being real and vulnerable
Praying for you and your family Ruslan.
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Know God is walking with you and your family at this time.
Im sorry for your pain. There's no way to avoid any of this pain. Grief can ve such a free fall.
Bro, im so smiling, Joe is right there... man, appreciate the break downs each time, God Bless 🙌
The authenticity of the Shroud is another example of evidence for the existence of Jesus along with other relics that Protestants typically reject out of hand!
It goes against their Proto-script lol
Absolutely love this after wess interview!! The Lord is moving!!!
The Shroud of Turin is absolutely real.
Ruslan, God put Joe Rogan on my heart long ago and he is and will remain on my prayer list! I know in my spirit that it is just a matter of when. What a platform he has in the Name, for the Name of Jesus!
Love your content! God bless y’all and thank you for sharing!
Praying for you and your family Ruslan. I’m so sorry for everything you and your family are going through.
6:24 my thoughts exactly. You've been going down some rabbit holes, my friend, and I appreciate that. Amazing introspection here
I watch the full 3 hour interview with West Huff . Have you guys notice iets the only time where i have seen Joe Rogan fully engage and silent and wants to know more and more ,same happens in this interview with Mel Gibson . I believe the seed is planted in Joe Rogan. All Glory to God almigthy
He said he was raised in a Catholic family.
@dentryn4365 i understand that .but life throws us curve ball and the next thing you know your heart will be harden againts any believes about God or Jesus . And i was there from being born again to trying to convince people that the god they pray to is evil and the bible is being used to control you and using the bible to prove my point . But now im saved by his mighty grace and repented for my sins and im free and learning and preaching the good news 😁
@ Perhaps Joe Rogan is going through some of what you mentioned, but prayer is powerful e.g. St. Monica prayed for her son Augustine for 17 years so there is always hope. You never know what will happen if he sticks with Mel Gibson.
@dentryn4365 i agree with you .with prayer everything is possible . That will be a big score for the kingdom of the Lord Jesus Christ🙌🙌. And those who will follow him .i can imagine the celebratiom in heaven 😁😁
So Sorry for your loss, Ruslan. Praying for you and your family. Remember you will see your niece again.🙏💕
We love you Ruslan. We’re praying for you❤️
Prayers are with you and your family brother. So sorry for your loss. God Bless you Brother
As a person who grew up in Protestant household i thought these called “Catholic artifacts “ is rubbish and all made up by the RCC but as things developed through the years im on the tipping point the the shroud is authentic…
@@arieso7274 the RCC has probably the most mind-blowing artifacts from the world's history in their possession. It's all under the Vatican.
Today nothing of Eucharistic miracles that science can’t explain with the same AB blood type & living heart tissue!
It is true that when people were buried during those times that coins were placed over the8r eyes!
Jesus was crucified at 33 or abouts. That image is of a very old man. Christ would not have looked like an od manat 33.
@@Ezzell_Oh Ezzel. You're being ridiculous.
Thank you for a good episode 😊
Regarding resurrection, look in Yogananda's book - "Autobiography of a Yogi"; there Yogananda describes how his guru visited him, a few days after the guru's death (perhaps 4o), in his room, while he was meditating, how they had a touching encounter, how Yogananda was inordinately joyfully squeezing the guru's "new" body, (created for on that occasion), and how they had a long, joyful and touching conversation.. The book also added that it is quite normal in India, for a guru to visit his disciples after death, (and the disciples are also trained to that's what they see); but we still wonder if there is a resurrection, and is there life after death, and if Jesus could be resurrected... Love from Belgrade, Serbia... 💜
Did you see how these guys mocked Buddha here? Also A Great Indian Guru Whom Paramahansa Yogananda has praised. How do you reconcile this?
I'm glad to see he has multiple people praying for him.
Praying for you guys🙏
🚨🫡✝️🫶🏽🙏🏽 thanks for covering this 🙌🏾
I looove the Joe Rogan videos keep it up’!!!
For those who believe no explanation is needed, and for those who do not believe there is no explanation possible.
Jesus was crucified at 33 or abouts. That image is of a very old man. Christ would not have looked like an od manat 33.
@@Ezzell_it's not an old man. The hair looks white because it's a photo negative image, his hair would have been dark because it shows up as white in the photo negative. It's also a 3d body on a 2d picture (the shroud was not perfectly flat on his face, it was shaped around the face, so this distorts the image slightly. You can find a 3d replica of the man if you google it. It's the difference between the earth depicted as a sphere and on a 2d map (the map shows incorrect proportions of either the water or the land mass)
It just hit me. We NEED the two duos to come together and conversate! Taylor and Jake from the deep end and you guys. I feel like it gives off the same energy and I can’t put my finger on it but you guys getting on a podcast together would scratch my brain 💯
Many years ago I saw a presentation about the shroud where physicists were discussing the image and one of them was sure it was a singularity just like the one that created the universe.
Prayed for your family this morning ❤
Great episode. Loved all the beneficiary advice
from ptsd to movie making and coming to christ.
Just found y’all this great content praise god!! I’d buy that mel Gibson budda shirt lol
Watching Joe's heart change is a beautiful thing
Don't be fooled he's still doing the drugs
@@theemeraldfox7779 Not sure how that's related to my comment.
@dilemmablue2494 Yes. He said he was raised Catholic.
Heavenly father, do your will. Thank you for these men for providing entertainment that is clean and informative. We pray for Joe you continue to work on his heart and for Mel you provide him with wisdom and guide him, Lord continue to reveal yourself to those who don't know you, and for us, that we continue to hunger and long to know you more, day by day. Thank you for your grace and bless this chat. In Jesus name. Amen.
When he said the Shroud of Turin, me & the video said “herrrre we go!” at the same time!😂😂
The patch up work you referred to is called French Invisible Reweaving.
We have to remember, it isn’t just the Shroud. The Sudarium of Oviedo has matching blood type O Negative. Both pieces have the same dust and pollen from the area.
Can the Bless God Summit be viewed online? I am interested in watching what is said about family & marriage and live in Canada.
Cheers and God bless to all watching/reading.
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I was blown away when I saw the image of what Jesus of the shroud would look like without all the trauma he was put through. I could feel the eyes looking right through me. There are two images online and both made me weep to think that this is the face I hope to see say “Well done my good and faithful servant”. There are too many things that they keep finding whether it to disprove (which they can’t) or prove. Plus it survived a fire and was wet and the image stayed. As long as we don’t worship it as an idol, who is to say. It doesn’t change my faith either way.
I wish Joe would get J Warner in next. I like his biography and faith journey. He’s a cold case detective that was a staunch atheist.
AMEN PRAISE YESHUA
Gary Habermas has a great in depth lecture he gives on the shroud where he also mentioned the coins on the eyes. I think he even shows it. Also mentions that there are paintings that date hundreds of years older than the original dating of the shroud where the paintings show a mark through the beard on the paintings and the mark is on the same spot on the shroud which should predate the shroud older as theirs no explanations why these paintings would have a random mark through the beard in the same spot as the shroud if the artist wasn’t using it as a reference
That would make an excellent T-shirt!
Z buckled up for real 😂 5:05
Glad someone finally brought up the shroud to him. I was hoping Wess was going too
I’m a catholic and will be forever! I love my mother Mary and I will never deny her purity and her virginity God Bless all that talk bad about her! Please show respect at all times to my god Jesus mother! 🙏❤️🌷🌷🌷
Look up. shroud of Turin detailed analysis. ❤❤❤
He kept saying in that interview that he believes in evil. The realisation that Satan is real is why I came to Christianity ✝
Mel is such a based Catholic …unlike our current Pope . I’m Catholic btw
The Templars and the Shroud of Christ (2015) by scholar Barbara Frale had discussed a lot of these shroud details. I believe she mentioned the coins.
First, RIP Barrie Schwortz, who kept the Shroud discussion alive all these years. I wish he was here for this.
As for the identification of coins and other artifacts, these seem to come from Italian radiographers using attenuation rates to locate matter in the image that is obscure to the untrained eye, (the fact that radiologic attenuation rates work is immense in and of itself). In the studies, clothing, small relics, nails, and even the crown of thorns are allegedly identified, (the plant of the crown being identified as thorny burnet).
While I am no radiologist, I have training in sonography and what overlaps seems solid: the image is consistent with an omnidirectional energetic event, (or numerous extremely precise directional events), originating from within the body. Faint imagery of variable resolution can also be seen where alleged objects have been detected, which is consistent with different material density breaking down the signal. I cannot attest to the ultimate conclusions as ultrasonic and radiologic physics are different, but the foundational data looks promising.
5:30 - not disagreeing, just clarifying. In the 80's, when they analyzed The Shroud, the container in which The Shroud was stored was (in some way) included in the analysis. I don't know if it was wood splinter or what, but in any event, that foreign object resulted in The Shroud being dated much later than it actually was.
Personally, I don't need The Shroud to confirm my belief, and (not "so") I don't care what the results were/are, but that's me.
What would you say about the photo-negative image of jesus or whatever ruslan said here that the technology to do that doesnt even exist today?
Amen ❤❤❤
Nice!! Love the video
❤ Mel
Id buy the shirt!! 😂😂
The Tiberius coin imprint is there on both eyes. They are higher up on the eyelid above the lashes. I can see them clear as can be
"Nobody dies for a lie" - Jim Jones begs to differ lol
I’d change Mel’s statement.
“How many people do you know today and in history who’ve gone through persecution, torture and death for something they know to be a lie?”
that wasnt mels point, jonestown follwers died for what they believed to be true, mel gibson is making a point that people dont die, especially painful deaths, for something they know is a lie. therefor it follows that the disciples dying for a claim, a claim about what they saw, and given that they died for that claim it adds tremendous credibility to it. they were either telling the truth about what they saw, or lying about what they saw, and people dont die for lies.
@@gabe7548 Are you talking to me or the brother before.?
@jacobsimmons4599 I agree that would've been MUCH better wording but for one, it's live for him and two, his house burned down while filming this episode, so now critiquing it even in jest feels a bit off - all the best to him and his family
Nobody dies for a lie they don't believe
The reason the shroud is so detailed is because jesus was levitating off the ground, which helped create that 3d print
What’s fascinating about the shroud is the placement of the wounds in the wrists. Look up any medieval art and it will depict the wounds in the hands, but the shroud is medically accurate to putting the nails through the bones of the wrists.
The shroud was verified in 1986, the findings were buried, the only recent activity was the freedom of information case that was won, they never planned on us learning this.
Much respect for Mel Gibson. He’s 1000% solid in my book. I don’t feel the need for caveats about how I don’t agree with everything he’s ever said. I don’t agree with everything ANY man has ever said because I’m a grown man who is a critical thinking human being. AnyHOO, Melly Mel with the clientele is a Man that I put in the good guy column. An ally.
6:00 - I think the word/ words you are searching for are “restoration work”.
Love the shirt idea hahaha MAKE IT!
I'd buy that shirt! 😁
Can we imagine that if the shroud of Turin is real, it is the most holy object in history, maybe more holy than the Αrk of the Covenant. It depicts the moment that Jesus defeated death and saved humanity!
The shirts 😂
Once you believe in the resurrection of Christ, then, you will experience its power . There’s no tuning back ! Case close ..
The Shroud is real as well as the tilma of Our Lady of Guadalupe.
Pretty sure he is Catholic 👍🏼
He is Catholic. Trad Latin Mass is still in Catholic Church.
@@yasylviaqyes but Mel is a sedevacantist
@theticoboy still a Catholic
@@theticoboy still Catholic
@@yasylviaq but his standing in the church is somewhat questionable
"Buddha didn't do that sh**." That is as iconic as, "Hold my beer."
Love it. 🤣
Wes Huff COOKED Billy Carson 🔥
Young man, the truth is; that the Catholic Church is the one true Church
…. Period. You guys are well studied, but you’re missing a big mark! Love ya all!
The Shroud is the most studied artifact in the WORLD!
Let’s go!
John Campbell did a great video on his reaction to the shroud. Campbell is not a professing Christian so his reaction is so authentic and poignant.
He said there is no way it’s a forgery because the human anatomy imprint on the shroud is perfect and there were no painters who possessed that degree of realism.
The Shroud is the real thing !
Please come out with a shirt that says that “Buddha didn’t do that” with the resurrection on it!😂‼️
DO THE SHIRT!!!!
Artists have done studies on it it makes the perfect symmetrical face 9:14
Gibson is a sedevacantist and I believe his parents were as well. They don't consider themselves protestant as your partner suggested. They do consider themselves traditional Catholics and believe the last valid pope was Pius XII. They also do believe in the legitimacy of the papacy, papal infallibility and the primacy of the Roman Pontiff. Some of them have been excommunicated by the Catholic church.
Sedevacantists are protestants, whether that acknowledge them or not. They are Christians who are in schism with mainstream Catholicism they originate from, or in a "protest" against Catholic Church. Their goal is exactly the same Luther's was - to bring the Catholic Church back on track from modern heresies. The fact that they have different dogmas to other protestants is irrelevant. Many protestant denominations have all kinds of different basic beliefs. Child vs adult baptism. Real presence vs memorial view, etc. etc.
I don't believe Mel Gibson himself is sedevacantist. His dad was. Also the belief is that the last good Pope was Pope Pius X.
They did John was boiled in oil but survived PLUS The Turin is authentic
Joe needs to have Lee Strobel on his podcast.
Condolences to your family, I hope the collective prayers offered have brought some peace.
The shroud will eventually prove the whole story of the resurrection of Christ.
I think of it as Jesus' selfie.
10:12 PUT IT ON A SHIRT
John is the only one who didn't die a martyr. Fox's Book of Martyrs is a pretty good source based on...?
I appreciate Mel Gibson. He is a Christian. We that declare Jesus Christ as our savior need to stick together and help others with fact and intellect like Mr. Gibson. Do the shirt...I'll buy one