The Sultan CVR(T) Command Vehicle
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- Опубліковано 9 кві 2024
- One of the CVR(T) Variants Belgium used was the Sultan, the command track. Small and compact, but the one they had handy was fully equipped inside. We'll come back to the vehicle for a more in-depth look at some future point, but this I thought was interesting enough.
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Command, observation and fire control vehicles are EXTREMELY rare to see.
I was Command Vehicle Signaller in 0A in West Germany in the late 70s. It was the best job ever.
Shoutout to my granddad who transported Pattons and CVRT's in the belgian army with his Antar tank transporter. Well & the vehicle that came after the antar, forgot the name.
I know he did shorts, but I’d love a full Inside the Hatch on all the CVR(T)s.
2:21 This map would date from the Cold War era and the only city I can read on that map is Göttingen. This city was located in or near the narrow strip of land running from Aachen to Kassel occupied by the Belgian Army after WW2. A sort of buffer zone between the British and American occupation zones.
If I'm not mistaken Kassel was the last Belgian outpost before the East-German border.
Until 1956 the 16. Armored Brigade BE was in Kassel, replaced by units of 2. Jägerdivision GE. In Göttingen British MP was stationed for controlling the border at the border triangle of the British/Soviet/US Occupation Zones.
Old tanker here - served on the M60A3 - another reason to hook your mask up to the vehicle gas filter system was that the filters are made of carbon - and as that carbon filters out chemical agents it degrades. In a heavily contaminated area, your filter might degrade to the point where it stops working 😞
Of course, the tank has a MUCH larger filter than in your personal gas mask - by hooking up to the tank's filter you save your gas mask's filter and buy that much more time if you ever have to abandon the vehicle.
At least in the old M60A1, you could heat up the exhaust from the filter system - which was important for the tankers gas mask, because it uses a solid, clear face plate - if the air was too cold, it could fog up the interior of the face plate - which meant you had to take the mask off to wipe the inside of the face plate. Of course, on training exercises in the winter, we would stick the filter hose inside your uniform to stay warm. In summer, you could do the same to stay "cooler" - it wasn't chilled air, but it was better than nothing 🙂
BTW - I chuckled a bit at the "Ty Fighter Vests" - never heard of them, but I do remember when I went through Armor Officer Basic Course in 1986, the M1 was just being fielded - half of our class was trained on the M60, and half was trained on the M1 - we used to call the guys on the M1, the "Jedi Tankers" 🙂
As a tanker that also was a S2 M577 driver . My army Driver License had every thing from a School bus , 5ton 21/2 ton trucks ,Jeeps tanks so and so on .
That's right mate. We would just pop the air hose in our coveralls. Slight but welcome relief on a hot day in Grafenwohr. Never saw any special vest to do that. Allons
"Inside our shirt"? M60 tankers put them in our pants!
I love the Americanizing of the Chieftain. Coffee. Grin.
"I _always_ have coffee when I watch radar!"
i would love to take a look on how this command vehicle actually did the commanding , like how do they keep track of everyone and command and relay information to soldiers on the battlefield ,do they have objectives or something ? how does it integrate with the rest of the platoon or whatever its commanding
almost no one talks about that stuff
By phone lines probably.
Having used both the FV432 variant in this role, and then Sultan, the former was much preferred. Arriving in Fallingbostel, and on taking over the Command Troop, we discovered of the three Sultans, one had no radiator, another was awaiting a replacement gearbox, and the third couoldn't be used because most of the threads for the bolts fixing the glacis plate to the hull were stripped, and so it wouldn't stay in place. This was a common problem with the CVR(T) series.
0:45 coffee?! I know the UK and Ireland don't have the best history, but there's no need for that
It's a Belgian Sultan. You think they'd be drinking tea?
Good point about the respirator and the effort of breathing with an NBC filter in the way.
It's called "The work of breathing", and is a big consideration in Intensive Care when it comes to getting patients to breath on their own after artificial ventilation.
Positive Pressure helps reduce the work, but does cause blood pressure to drop...
Thanks Nick.
"...if you were in a really advanced military, like the U.S. was a while ago"
If you listen closely, you can hear the distant sound of *"C'mon man!"*
We had those in our flight suites as well.
You forgot on the US tank units they had a air heating option. It was perfect for when the damn igniter took a shit on your heater.
Hey Chieftain! I have a question, I know you have discussed your hearing protection when in a tank, the Bose headset. I do not recall much if any discussion on tinnitus and preventing/dealing with that as a tank crew. Could you talk about that please?
We all suffer from it, and I believe it's an automatic 10% disability rating from the VA.
Ear plugs should go under the headsets always. Not many tankers do it. Inside the tank, the gun isn't actually that bad; constantly forgoing hearing protection because the gun isn't firing is what leads to a lot of it. The tank breaks 80dB pretty easily.... the engine is 110dB, so if the hatches are open, you're damaging your ears pretty quick.
In theory, it's easier to keep your ears safe in armor; infantry has louder, more often used weaponry, and due to the nature of combat, can't always use their earpro. The handset, noise discipline, and hearing safety is an oxymoron.
@ryanj610 sortof. The -10 has a table on it with how long it is safe to wear CVC, CVC with earplugs, CVC with active noise reduction, and CVC with ANR and earplugs. So for example, it's nearly five hours a day at a constant 30mph with ANR and no earplugs. I never spent five hours at 30mph!
I never wore the earplugs as (1) my tank had Vic3 with ANR, and (2) I have enough trouble hearing the radio as it is.
Whaaaat?
The 'tie fighter cooling vest' was work bu CH124 Sea King pilots while in the Persian Gulf.
I think you've found your vehicle.
You look pretty comfortable.
Cheers
Nice Video. Short, but it had quite a few interesting bits of Knowlegde.
Batteries are included 😊
Put in an oven (and air conditioner) and you could run a mobile pizza place out of it.
With drones to deliver the pizzas.
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The Queen Mary was a large ocean liner. Large vehicles were called Queen Mary after the liner.
Nicknamed the ice cream van in our Pltn.
It would be amazing if you could show us the commander/gunsights and reticles while you do these videos, especially on ww2 era tanks.
ever do a scarcen ？i remember them as a kid during the riots in northern Ireland.think the sides opend up.
Did the Canadians call the M577 the ‘queen Mary’ in reference to the cruise liner? As in, it’s huge?
yes
Interesting that the modern battlefield has essentially decentralized and made obsolete vehicles like this. They still have a place.... but Starlink for example, with an unjammable sat link, has allowed for dispersed, distant command posts in Ukraine. More important I would think are relay vehicles (perhaps fall under the umbrella of EW/CC) for radiocommunications. No more needing to put officers on an evermore deadly, and deeper, front line.
Apparently all the tie fighter vests ended up in surplus stores near me because they have piles of them there sealed lol
Ngl I thought he was going to say that flexi tube was for taking a leak.
No Coffee no Command
Room to support just one "battle captain"?
Wanna see more of it
so basically during the cold war cooling vests were more or at least the same level of high tech than they are in Battletech.
00:45 Tea. Vehicle is Anglo-Belgian
question as a railfan,i like trains,when a train passes and none of the equipment wheeled or tracked is marked not numbers, whats going on? shipping overeseas?
May well have been just manufactured and be on its way to a depot where it will be assigned to a service or unit, after which it will receive markings.
@@markfergerson2145 your thoughtd are good thanks for the responce.i saw an m-1 with a crate..one or twice
They also can be vehicles that have had their marks removed before shipping because they either going into storage, meaning they have no need for unit markings since they are not in use by a unit, or they are going to a new unit who will mark them appropriately.
Pop over to Mr Hewes and tell him CVR(T)s are the best
Was a commander all by his lonesome in there or were there others? How many Looks like a pretty small vehicle.
If you look at the picture @0:08 - the vehicle has a tent on the back of it. US equivalent would be 4x M577 command tracks backed up to a common tent about twice the size of that one.
As an ex-Canadian tanker, yep it's a Queen Mary. Biggest slowest thing on the battlefield.....pos....I hated driving it....
Hey Chieftain, I wanted to ask this in hopes you see it but I saw an article online recently that claimed some tanks use "expanded clay" in their armor but I cannot find a single source for this claim. was the supposed "expert" in the article talking out their rear? I believe the article was from Bulgarian military today or something to that effect.
Could be a translation issue. I mean, ceramic is made of clay, isn't it? (Genuine question, it's been a while) And armor which incorporates ceramic is a thing...
Its Tea, Nato Green, not coffee.
with the current thing going on i assume there is a very low chance of visiting kubinka again for some very rare hungarian tanks 'inside the hatch' series
That is a pretty reasonable assumption
And what is that "current thing" you are talking about?
@@LayronPK It is a reference to the current state of disagreement existing right now between Russia and Western Europe/ North America.
@@TheChieftainsHatch you are talking about disagreement caused by russia starting a war against Ukraine? That person should've said so from the start, now i see.
Please tea not coffee
Could still be fantastic vehicle series instead of just a great vehicle series, add about 8" in width (Malaysian rubber tree plantations are no longer a priority,) foot longer = U.S. (navstar) turbo diesel, just use current armor set as base for bolt on reactive and non reactive blocks, important for death of armor to be deep enough, that AP round has time to spin a bit from first touch to last layer of armor. Gives a chance for round to bounce, and not penetrate. Width is needed for maintaining the things, need little bitty hands. Just a great vehicle series, and like all greats, just a few tweaks and CVR(T) series II, could be main light recce, specialist troop PC, and air droppable unit, in any serious army.
Somit consumes a lot of fuel? (German song states the Sultan is thirsty)
Not a single electronic computer
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Mr hewes had a closer look at one of these a few months ago 👍
Two radio calls and then bug out.
WHY DOES THE CHIEFTAIN NEVER TALK ABOUT THE CHIEFTAIN. Not even a inside the hatch😔
"If you were in a REALLY advanced military like the US was a while ago..." 🤐
not really the sultan of swing
Please teach not coffee lol
first?
You have to say it with more confidence!