The best thing to do is just paint and not talk about it. ADDENDUM I'm not saying talking about one's work is a bad thing, but let the painting do the talking. If you need to give a painting a title are you worried people might be seeing something other than what you intended? ONE YEAR LATER: Thank you to all who took the trouble to comment. l don't exhibit but am contemplating entering a competition in 2023, purely for the money. I'll let you know if am accepted and whether I'm tempted to speak about myself and my so-called "work." (Yes, l have had to speak to make my point.}
Yes and no because art is also about politics and business to convinced people that your work is valid. This is sad but if you want to be acknowlegded during your life time you have to fight for your work...
So your basically telling yourself you'll never think yourself compassionate enough to make a you tube video to share with other you tubing artist who need it for situations like this. Stupid. Go paint and stop writing about not wanting to talk about painting because you obviously don't love painting enough to want to talk about it with others that much.
The cigar put me off immediately, but I tried to resist and stayed. There is a lot to save after that. I think it is fundamental to talk about art, and that art not always speaks of itself and this is does not diminish it. The complexity of language, meaning and context behind a lot of good/valid contemporary artworks makes it often impossible to navigate without a map, even for critics and experts. At the same time it is crucial that Art reaches as many people as possible. Surely not all artists are the right people to talk about their own art or even able to, but the idea that good art speaks for itself is naive.
Forgive me because I know this is an old comment, but I think he was talking about paintings. They're designed to draw you in from across the room. Cigars aside.
This is hilarious! Being a NY artist, having weathered many storms, wouldn't it be strange if a turkey vulture suddenly crashed through the windows of his magnificent studio, and landed right on the tip of that cigar.
@@silhouettist I have spent the last 5 years drawing horrendous politicians, interspersed with a few decent ones. Finally, I woke up one morning, went to the studio, and started drawing hotrods. that is what I was busy drawing back in the early1960s. The last thing I would want to draw, are New York's famous artists. But hey, you never know - I just do what I am told.
Hes a parody of an artist.. One of the funiest things Ive watched for a long time ....Its like Spinal tap does art....He a creation of a gallery.....a shill.
As John Berger suggested, I think art can be seen as a record of a conversation between artist and subject, and the viewer then has another conversation with the work/s. So I appreciate an artist who is later comfortable to talk about honestly their process or intent which can continue the cycle of our dialogue. Sometimes, It is easy to critique these comments for what jar rather than continue the conversation. And sometimes, an artists work just doesn’t speak to me - and I leave the conversation.
Making a general statement about something as broad as "art" or "painting" is almost always wrong or meaningless. Why? Because the goals and intentions of the art or the artist differ dramatically. Some art is simply about color arrangement or beauty of another sort, some is to make a political statement, some is to evoke feelings of past experiences or memories of events, some is erotic, etc. Some of the art that is devoted to beauty or eroticism will usually have a more immediate impact, but there is quite a bit of art that does not make an impact initially. Only after spending time with some paintings or other types of artwork, and revisiting it from time to time, will its impact develop and evolve and grow slowly. The personalities, experiences, and influences in the lives of the viewers are also quite varied....any piece of artwork will probably not resonate with every viewer, and some art can only be understood or appreciated by a few.
Thank you for your thoughtful and individual response :) I didn't really love this artist's work upon watching the video (can't say I totally do now either), but I did appreciate hearing about his process and thoughts from the point of view of one human being to another. Creation is a powerful act, no matter how insignificant it may seem to a particular individual or group; it is worth paying attention to nevertheless. Art is essentially the powerful human symbolic gesture of ("despite all of life's sufferings) "nevertheless." I realized as I watched this video: "Even though I don't totally love his work, it's still cool to live in a world where we get these little interviews into people's lives. I realize I actually enjoying learning about artists just as much as their works. Glad this video came around. Glad I got to check out something new today." Then I read the comments...
some art is nice to look at, some art is not nice to look at. This stuff was not nice to look at. People will say anything to validate their reasons on why something is not worth looking at, but if the debate itself is not interesting, the art is not worth much. All good art is controversial, sometime its not worth looking at but also worth talking about which makes it good art. Bad art is bad to look at and boring to talk about. If you want evidence at why this is bad art, watch the video at 0.25 speed, and read the comments during the talky bits... both are equally unfun.
@@SoSo-li6dn even if you make controversial art, something worthy to talk about, but if you are a nobody in an elitist art industry, you will remain a nobody.
I'm interested in the idea that art tries to grapple with the notion of explanation; whether this is attainable or, for that matter, desirable. It is a non-verbal endeavor, but it is an ongoing doing in the "worlding world". Explanation can suggest stability and order, when it is more in tune with the unravelling nature of things to engage with flux rather than rubber stamp it with illusions of heroism or some imagined arrival at the apex of human victory over all that undermines us.
@@zenpatriarch-1818 But what is art trying to do? Or why do we do art? Can it be for self-gratification only? Is Flux a new-age concept here or an attempt to collect in one single concept this romantic idea of self-expression that talks more about the profoundly individualistic era we live in than anything else? And going back a bit, why does talking about art has to be about "explaining"? Why can´t we think of it as opening other questions, new connections, paths to explore?
Oh common....give him a break. I love that cigar moment. His paint stained pants and that glaring stare into the camera. God, can you imagine weedy Jeff Koons or mild mannered Eric Fischl trying a stunt like that?
....... Oh, but these NUMBINGLY BORING & Cynical Comments!! - If yer' gonna' OPEN ya' Fuckin' Mouth ...... then come out with an INTELLIGENT RESPONSE!!! The Wonderful World of 'Social Networking'! ....... 'Global Village'? - More like 'Cynical, Disillusioned, GLOBAL ASYLUM'!!
Mild mannered Eric Fischl --- aaahhh that quiet charisma! I remember the phrase "one can't draw, the other can't trace" being thrown around about Fischl and Salle, which always got a (guilty) laugh out of me even though I love Fischl. I think there was an interview where Schnabel was asked something about Salle, and he said "Who?" Good times.
I’m baffled that he doesn’t plan images in advance, BUT paints on panels with in-set separate panels that work like a punctuation…. No stress there at all. The guy is just that good.
Because you are kind and not snarky. I liked the video too. Many prejudged because of the cigar and made up their minds to look for the negative before even watching it.
Every single thing he said about his work I 100% agree with. He's so in touch with his art it's miraculous to see. Everything he says about his work, I find that I always longed for in my art. That sense of immediacy, keeping the eye roaming and then back to the initial impact, large, figurative...
I am grateful for this video. But it seems to me that it’s very important for an artist to be in a stream and to transmit art that is not based on someone’s opinion, while we artists suffer from a lack of attention and we need to somehow survive, which for me justifies attention to the audience in this way but at the same time it really hurts. This way we are not an artists, you become a manager and a salesman. I would like to wish you, if you have already reached a high position in the world of art, to bend your line more and do YOUR work exactly and vision as much as possible. I am grateful to you for your frankness and for raising this topic.
I think some artists forget to actually live and experience reality, so they overcompensate and their work becomes overly contrived by default; they're not expressing themselves authentically; they're creating images to placate their perceived audience...like an interior designer furnishing the lobby of a mediocre hotel.
was never a great painter but was swept up along with Fishcle and Longo to become extremly successful - like Schnabel who is a terrible painter and always has been. Salle is a decent collage painter, reproduces well but if you see the works in the flesh -they are pretty lifeless affairs
Get over the cigar, guys. Mr. Salle lit up because he knew the interview was starting; it helped him focus; as an ex-smoker I know the feeling. Someone asked why he just doesn't paint instead of talking. Because we his admirers want to hear him speaking about his work; he is doing it for us; he feels a certain responsibility. He is a fluent speaker, the result of many years of quietly working on his own; the fruit of experience and reflection. We owe him.
I wonder if they teach that in college these days? They didn't when I went. Artist Crap Speak 101...I see that so much these days. It's as if galleries are auditioning artists for their looks and shit-speak abilities...!
About 10% of his work, where it's clear some effort went into the composition and detail, are really good. The others are mostly sloppy, thrown-together random nonsense that's just good enough to fool the critics and art world into believing there's hidden meaning somewhere. In too many cases, that's all it takes.
All these people here commenting on "talent" and/or "lack of talent" makes me sick and depressed, and it's only indicative of how much they haven't got a clue of what contemporary art's about: what they call "talent" is just a minuscule part of this trade. "Talent" is such an overrated component. As is "liking" something (in the sense that "I like this, therefore it is good and valuable"). Personally, I am unable to admire someone just for having been born with some gift; it's like admiring a woman for being pretty. You might just enjoy looking at that beautiful woman, but you don't admire her for that reason; she is pretty in an unwittingly way, so to say, there is no merit in that. What I can admire in someone making art, is having made relevant choices, having taken brave decissions and having worked very hard, steadily and sharply, in the development of a certain vision or impulse, and to me David Salle (his petulant manners put aside) certainly seems to be that.
Cristián Silva ...I have issues with the word ‘ talent’. When you say a person has talent, it connotes some sort of innate gift that they have been blessed with. And, it short changes the artist by failing to recognize and credit him for the years of work,study and practice that is the real source of his artistic success. The term is also used to justify quitting. A person who believes that there are some people who have talent and others who, sadly, lack it, can stop making an effort and give up saying, ‘well, what’s the point? I don’t have any talent.’
When you enter through the gates of the human heart, there are no rules, or boundaries. Art is just a word. What exactly is or isn’t art. Yes indeed, just paint, just create; Paint, draw, sculpt, write, sing, dance, blow bubbles.... whatever your whispering excitement calls you for. Stop thinking and channel! Thinking is for certain tasks: booking a flight or writing a shopping list. It’s merely a secretary. We are all children at heart. Let’s play and enjoy this play, we call: Life!
my school is having a sale on all some books in their library. a book about salle is in this collection and is being sold for $2. i thought his work was semi-interesting and wanted to do some research on it. thank god i put that book back on the shelf.
As a „hobby“ artist (is there such a thing?) I am surprised how many negative comments I find here. I am just grateful for people spending their time creating and not destroying something. I think it is of no use for the inner process inside of yourself judging this man for being himself.
It seems like history collided with the now. Overlapping timelines with a peaceful window for the reflection of memories. We are all carrying the past into the future. Simultaneous integration. It has to be digested in pieces. What an elegant man is he.
He’s definitely right about the necessity for balance between the immediate impact and the long term payoff. Paintings are unique in that multiple levels may be present and placed right under the viewer’s nose, and at the same time completely invisible. Consider the painting in which the human body has been used as a mark making instrument. Those impressions were left on the top layer, and as such could conjure for those individuals who participated in its making, the “circus” involved in its creation Now consider the figures composed beneath those impressions, gesturing and turning in a kind of illusory space. These bodies were presumably created through the use of a brush, a much more common experience for the gallery-going crowd. The circus that is laid upon the canvas at this layer, now mirrors the circus taking place in Salle’s mind as he creates, with the brush operating as a fulcrum of sorts. Now, observe the contrast brought to bear upon the mind of the viewer, who considers the image before them and considers the mark making implement and its relationship to the body in mind just by looking at this strange surface. Isn’t this another kind of circus? All this to say that you can focus on the cigar and call him pretentious thereby avoiding any potential embarrassment from exposing your ignorance, or you can take what he’s saying seriously and see where that leads you. There may be something in that experience worth exploring and enjoying. We steal from ourselves when we are too quick to dismiss what we don’t immediately understand.
Obviously many people commenting aren't aware that Salle is one of the most influential painters of postmodern art. Sure, he might not be the best technician, but the emotionless quality of the work is part of the expression. And yes his pretentiousness is well known. But I've always been interested in what he has to say. Like the fascination with listening to a philosopher like Derrida or Foucault even if you disagree with everything they're saying.
I like the intense passion for seeing scenes of lifestories or glimpses of moments of all kinds of something happening - I would use the word - images of life - and somehow I find it liberating that you seen to use a mixture/collage of drawing, painting, photo silscreens and more - they are definitely very interesting to move into -
Yep, I agree. Immediate impact, and grows in dimension over time. This man is obviously comfortable in his own skin...and it shows in his work. Great video production. It just flows well.
The negative comments here are pathetic. Weak jealousy plus 'why don't he just talk normal'. In reality, this dude is very plain spoken with minimal tendendency toward theoretical jargoplexing. And his work speaks for itself.
Wow: As soon as the guy lights his cigar, I think to myself “I like this guy in person as much as I do on paper.” (His book is excellent. [Similar swagger.])
david sale is a great painter, and his work is much different than schnabel's. his teacher was baldessari and you can tell. he can draw just fine, thank you very much. art isn't just about draftsmanship.
HEY EVERYONE! CAP RICOSM is “enthralled” with David’s work! “ENTHRALLED” As if anyone gives a sh*t what you think! You’re a pathetic nobody sitting there on your sofa watching pretentious art videos thinking you’re some upper class art critic when you’re just some random clown wishing you were apart of this pretentious group of douche bags so you can feel good about yourself for once.
I studied art and I always remember a mature friend taking a painter break and lighting up his pipe before contemplating a work in progress. Then he would come out with some meaningful critique just like that.
I left my job in management to pursue my art career. People called me crazy. Hope am not. Hoping I have a bit of talent, and started my youtube channel. Hoping I have support from all of you. Thank you 😊
An artist must put their vision outside of themselves on display, it’s very difficult and vulnerable. Unless you can relate to baring your own soul it’s impossible to understand. Thank you for sharing this perspective.
Why can't the art speak for itself? Instead, we have to listen to inanity while the artist tries to figure out a way to transform verbally his painting into art. It's a hopeless exercise, best avoided.
Because sometimes theres another layer of enjoyment that comes from an explaination. Art is basically another language, and some people just really want/need a translation. And when all you do and talk about is art, it makes sense when someone comes along and asks you to talk about it.
David Salle- A weakly-talented artist who enjoyed the good fortune to fall into the fold of Mary Boone during the hyped and money-saturated 1980's. The art industry cannot allow overpriced works to lose value because it would demolish the illusion of sustainable investment. Example: a painting sold in 1983 for $10,000 can never sell for less. Thus, it can be said if your work is not robustly increasing in value, that is a good indication of its lack of desirability. Take note of auction pricing, where those painters who prospered from the Neo-Expressionist hype can barely maintain a $20- $60,000 price range. Examples are Salle & Schnabel whose work is notorious among auction houses for being large, heavy, cumbersome and barely worth the effort to hang and sell. Conversely, look at painters like George Condo and Basquiat who both rose to fame during the same time period. Their works are selling for 5 to 20 times more and in some cases tens of millions. I am not one to equate money with quality in art, that is for the dealers & collectors. But the pricing tells a story- it shows that time weeds out the good from the bad.
while i enjoy the easy excess of the 80s, including the casually smashed plate paintings of schnabel, i have to agree with you. salle has obviously found substance to be too difficult to capture with paint so has opted for some safe art world strategies (here divorced from their original meaning) to keep his credibility. but who are we to dare say such things? that is the morbid effect of the capitalist market on art, which is meant to be the most human of endeavours
You had me going until you brought Basquiat in. I find him to be the most overhyped, overpriced, overrated artist of the past 30 years. Celebrity cache, rubbing elbows with (gasp!) David Bowie, OMG = Fabulousity!! Cartoonish, repetitive, threadbare street art references, but with the compelling, if not authentic, back story, something all insecure collectors love to regurgitate as if that has any bearing on the quality of the artwork. The ArtMarket unfortunately dictates prices, but by doing so equates commerciality with Artistic Merit. The glut of mediocre Post-Post-postmodern art today causes Art Fatigue, aka PMSD, ie Post Modern Stress Disorder. The poor young, ambitious artist with a modicum of talent must strive to negotiate an inchoate path strewn with debris and corpses of others who look just like themselves, making themselves crazy by trying to be "original" while staring at the infinite range of styles and output they somehow must not copy. Being Derivative is a sin worse than being sardonically schlocky. Being Sincere is worst of all. No wonder uninformed hoi polloi longing for beauty, but left out of the insider Art world, swallow T Kincaide assembly landscape porn in desperation. Pricing telling the story? Kincaide's enterprises reputedly generated a billion in revenues.
I feel like I live in a different world because I will never understand how people can think David Salle is not fantastic.The images he strings together make my mind buzz. Like a weird hallucination of tangential thoughts.
Martin Hyizna ..if it’s true what you say,that time weeds out the good from the bad, I’m wondering how long we will have to suffer Conceptual Art before it is weeded out.
What about the paintings where you hired my painter friends at that Jersey City Sign Painting shop to do the paintings for you? Your design, granted, but it was they who could paint, not you.
It's odd now that it seems to be more commonplace that 'artists' just hire others to do the work. Surely you'd be a 'designer', if you design something, and an 'artist' if you create the art and vision itself. Strange times. Personally I prefer an artist who does the art themselves XD
I played this expecting to see great paintings. My God... I get sad when I see what art has become. These days painters do not paint, they make essays. Sad times.
Please don't let Salle's work turn you off to what others of his era have done. He's mostly smoke, and there have been brilliant, informed discussions exploring just how the hell he ever got noticed. He isn't 'what art has become' -- he just got lucky. Keep looking.
Great voice! Shoulda been in radio. Liked his simpler narrative and enigmatic works best. I don't smoke but I liked the pretentious BIG cigar lighting in the BIG studio!
Something I've been told I HAVE to do in my new VLOG series. Look at the work, the total body of work will tell the story better than i will ever be able to
and it upset you so much that you had to share your limited thoughts with the rest of us. Just look at your youtube name, it shows how much you want to be exactly what you are not. If you were an artist you wouldn't have to include the word 'artist' in your handle. Are you still in high school?
That's how I feel a bit about it too Lis...His paintings just make me think of that moment before you fall asleep when you're still thinking about the day , but your mind is starting to wonder towards sleep. It's so visceral for me, and I have't really seen much else that quite grasps it the same way. That's just my feeling on it though.
I'm a jerk, but back to the cigar. His studio has so much flammable and hazardous materials that smoking or igniting anything can have perilous consequences. Just "actually typing" saying.
He seems to do Collage style of painting , putting different unrelated pictures into the canvass at most it is Chaotic and does not make any sense , the viewer has to wonder what is this all about in my opinion his colors are beautiful and he can of course paint well with human figures , but his art does not say anything about human suffering neither has any good story to tell , it is totally dull and senseless without any Purpose .
I think his art is really good because of aesthetic and elements of fine arts he is playing with. His freedom and freshness of his brush you can see all over like his signature. Composition is chaotic but indeed it can be. It's better to be focused on colours and aesthetic and elements of the fine arts than motive and narration. But if we going really deep into phylosophy of the arts than it would be better not to paint any motive at all only do phylosophy and go deep into subconscious and express our feelings in abstract way like Kazimir Maljevich was doing.
I honestly don't really care if it doesn't make 'sense' . They are extremely eerie and provocative for me and I find meaning in them anyways. To me, they say a whole hell of a lot, but I know others don't see it that way.
The cigar lighting provoked more reaction than his actual paintings & commentary from most of you. I think that it is both an epic success for him & miss for some. It still falls into what he said about the instant reaction; yes/no/bad/good, etc.
Him: *lights cigar*
Me: "ohh boy, here we go..."
"David you ready? "Do that thing you do with the cigar and we'll start filming."
He's been doing it since he was in his 20's chill bro.
hahahaha!
a cigar isn't always a cigar.
Basically
If only we could all love ourselves as much as this guy loves himself.
The moment he lights up a cigar, you know he's gonna be one of those guys.
True, but if I could paint like that I would also be pretty pleased with myself.
Read his art criticism, he's a great writer and thinker.
@@SmithMrCorona he's been smoking cigars for 45 years, as someone who also smokes cigars I can tell you that it has nothing to do with appearances.
if you could paint like he does you would be far more than just a lame commentator visiting his studio via youtube.
the lighting of the cigar was nice and pretentious
Grace A sort of "I am to sexy for my shirt" gesture
It was the first thing that put me off him, very pretentious!
And stupid. He's surrounded by flammable paints and solvents!
We all know where we would like to shuv that cigar!
@@Demention94 Best Comment. Almost a self parody. This Tate ain't big enough for the both of us.
The immediate impact that it had on me was that it was more interpretive bullshit. You knew it was coming as soon as he lit the cigar.
word!
Same
I thought the same thing.
You people don't know how to appreciate art OMG .
@@sharongibson3673 Sharon his nane is "David" not "Art".
The best thing to do is just paint and not talk about it. ADDENDUM I'm not saying talking about one's work is a bad thing, but let the painting do the talking. If you need to give a painting a title are you worried people might be seeing something other than what you intended?
ONE YEAR LATER: Thank you to all who took the trouble to comment.
l don't exhibit but am contemplating entering a competition in 2023, purely for the money. I'll let you know if am accepted and whether I'm tempted to speak about myself and my so-called "work." (Yes, l have had to speak to make my point.}
Yes and no because art is also about politics and business to convinced people that your work is valid. This is sad but if you want to be acknowlegded during your life time you have to fight for your work...
So your basically telling yourself you'll never think yourself compassionate enough to make a you tube video to share with other you tubing artist who need it for situations like this. Stupid. Go paint and stop writing about not wanting to talk about painting because you obviously don't love painting enough to want to talk about it with others that much.
no.. u have to have a story to be great
Ironically, and with respect, you are talking about it, you are talking about the role talking plays in the creative act.
If you pick the petals off a rose; you might understand how the rose works; but you no longer have a rose
I love when he lights up the cigar!.....This could easily be an Abstract Artist 'Mockumentary'
Except that he's a figurative artist.
as soon as I see someone lit a cigar I can't take them serious anymore :'(
amen
The only reason I stayed was to leave this comment.
You don't need to, he takes himself seriously enough for all of us
The cigar put me off immediately, but I tried to resist and stayed.
There is a lot to save after that.
I think it is fundamental to talk about art, and that art not always speaks of itself and this is does not diminish it. The complexity of language, meaning and context behind a lot of good/valid contemporary artworks makes it often impossible to navigate without a map, even for critics and experts. At the same time it is crucial that Art reaches as many people as possible. Surely not all artists are the right people to talk about their own art or even able to, but the idea that good art speaks for itself is naive.
Forgive me because I know this is an old comment, but I think he was talking about paintings. They're designed to draw you in from across the room. Cigars aside.
The first level reaction.. Ohh boy. That cigar, and he's been painting the same painting since he was 14, thats progress !!
Yeah, those all seemed like negatives, not something I would personally use as an introduction to yourself.. not much progression happening..
This is hilarious! Being a NY artist, having weathered many storms, wouldn't it be strange if a turkey vulture suddenly crashed through the windows of his magnificent studio, and landed right on the tip of that cigar.
great idea
I hope you're going to paint that wonderful image!
@@silhouettist I have spent the last 5 years drawing horrendous politicians, interspersed with a few decent ones. Finally, I woke up one morning, went to the studio, and started drawing hotrods. that is what I was busy drawing back in the early1960s. The last thing I would want to draw, are New York's famous artists. But hey, you never know - I just do what I am told.
Hes a parody of an artist.. One of the funiest things Ive watched for a long time ....Its like Spinal tap does art....He a creation of a gallery.....a shill.
Ernest Berry-Songs Restored Spinal Tap is spot on !!!
Totally. This tate ain't big enough for the both of us
It was the “in a way I’ve been making the same painting since I was 14” for me
As John Berger suggested, I think art can be seen as a record of a conversation between artist and subject, and the viewer then has another conversation with the work/s. So I appreciate an artist who is later comfortable to talk about honestly their process or intent which can continue the cycle of our dialogue. Sometimes, It is easy to critique these comments for what jar rather than continue the conversation. And sometimes, an artists work just doesn’t speak to me - and I leave the conversation.
Making a general statement about something as broad as "art" or "painting" is almost always wrong or meaningless. Why? Because the goals and intentions of the art or the artist differ dramatically. Some art is simply about color arrangement or beauty of another sort, some is to make a political statement, some is to evoke feelings of past experiences or memories of events, some is erotic, etc. Some of the art that is devoted to beauty or eroticism will usually have a more immediate impact, but there is quite a bit of art that does not make an impact initially. Only after spending time with some paintings or other types of artwork, and revisiting it from time to time, will its impact develop and evolve and grow slowly. The personalities, experiences, and influences in the lives of the viewers are also quite varied....any piece of artwork will probably not resonate with every viewer, and some art can only be understood or appreciated by a few.
Thank you for your thoughtful and individual response :) I didn't really love this artist's work upon watching the video (can't say I totally do now either), but I did appreciate hearing about his process and thoughts from the point of view of one human being to another. Creation is a powerful act, no matter how insignificant it may seem to a particular individual or group; it is worth paying attention to nevertheless. Art is essentially the powerful human symbolic gesture of ("despite all of life's sufferings) "nevertheless." I realized as I watched this video: "Even though I don't totally love his work, it's still cool to live in a world where we get these little interviews into people's lives. I realize I actually enjoying learning about artists just as much as their works. Glad this video came around. Glad I got to check out something new today." Then I read the comments...
some art is nice to look at, some art is not nice to look at. This stuff was not nice to look at. People will say anything to validate their reasons on why something is not worth looking at, but if the debate itself is not interesting, the art is not worth much. All good art is controversial, sometime its not worth looking at but also worth talking about which makes it good art. Bad art is bad to look at and boring to talk about. If you want evidence at why this is bad art, watch the video at 0.25 speed, and read the comments during the talky bits... both are equally unfun.
Calvin Burr thank you!!! (Finally a clever comment)
@@SoSo-li6dn even if you make controversial art, something worthy to talk about, but if you are a nobody in an elitist art industry, you will remain a nobody.
@@8thousevirgin yup. but people talk to people. if they dont, they dont.
None of these paintings are good then- as they had no immediate impact on me, and no impact after a little pause either.
the impact that it has is subjective.
my thoughts exactly
For an artist to talk about his/her art is difficult. I just fall silent whenever someone asks me to explain my art.
I'm interested in the idea that art tries to grapple with the notion of explanation; whether this is attainable or, for that matter, desirable. It is a non-verbal endeavor, but it is an ongoing doing in the "worlding world". Explanation can suggest stability and order, when it is more in tune with the unravelling nature of things to engage with flux rather than rubber stamp it with illusions of heroism or some imagined arrival at the apex of human victory over all that undermines us.
I totally agree. I think it is because it comes from that same place as emotion. Try to explain sadness, love or passion. Hard to explain.
Always reply, "My work is beyond syntax" - that shuts them up for good.
@@jeroendesterke5917 That's a good one! I swear, I'll try that next time.
@@zenpatriarch-1818 But what is art trying to do? Or why do we do art? Can it be for self-gratification only? Is Flux a new-age concept here or an attempt to collect in one single concept this romantic idea of self-expression that talks more about the profoundly individualistic era we live in than anything else? And going back a bit, why does talking about art has to be about "explaining"? Why can´t we think of it as opening other questions, new connections, paths to explore?
Oh common....give him a break. I love that cigar moment. His paint stained pants and that glaring stare into the camera. God, can you imagine weedy Jeff Koons or mild mannered Eric Fischl trying a stunt like that?
....... Oh, but these NUMBINGLY BORING & Cynical Comments!!
- If yer' gonna' OPEN ya' Fuckin' Mouth ...... then come out with an
INTELLIGENT RESPONSE!!!
The Wonderful World of 'Social Networking'!
....... 'Global Village'?
- More like 'Cynical, Disillusioned,
GLOBAL ASYLUM'!!
The 3 Art Stooges
Mild mannered Eric Fischl --- aaahhh that quiet charisma! I remember the phrase "one can't draw, the other can't trace" being thrown around about Fischl and Salle, which always got a (guilty) laugh out of me even though I love Fischl. I think there was an interview where Schnabel was asked something about Salle, and he said "Who?" Good times.
I’m baffled that he doesn’t plan images in advance, BUT paints on panels with in-set separate panels that work like a punctuation…. No stress there at all. The guy is just that good.
Actually found it enjoyable, I didn't get the negative vibe as bad as everyone else I guess.
Because you are kind and not snarky. I liked the video too. Many prejudged because of the cigar and made up their minds to look for the negative before even watching it.
@@Decopainterandtea I agree. I was already turned off by the cigar before I got a chance to see the collection of ugly paintings.
Good painting takes you out of conceptualization and into the immediacy of the senses.
Uh?
Dada Haiku,.....love the name.
True, conceptualization is too mental. Art is about feelings and the senses.
The OMG Light the cigar moment doesn't take away what an extraordinary Artist he is.
Every single thing he said about his work I 100% agree with. He's so in touch with his art it's miraculous to see. Everything he says about his work, I find that I always longed for in my art. That sense of immediacy, keeping the eye roaming and then back to the initial impact, large, figurative...
I am grateful for this video. But it seems to me that it’s very important for an artist to be in a stream and to transmit art that is not based on someone’s opinion, while we artists suffer from a lack of attention and we need to somehow survive, which for me justifies attention to the audience in this way but at the same time it really hurts. This way we are not an artists, you become a manager and a salesman. I would like to wish you, if you have already reached a high position in the world of art, to bend your line more and do YOUR work exactly and vision as much as possible. I am grateful to you for your frankness and for raising this topic.
A bad artist, in my eyes, presents a blank canvas, this man is no where near that.
His art is aesthetically pleasing.
No 😊❤
I think some artists forget to actually live and experience reality, so they overcompensate and their work becomes overly contrived by default; they're not expressing themselves authentically; they're creating images to placate their perceived audience...like an interior designer furnishing the lobby of a mediocre hotel.
Very nice comment
Can we quote you? ;)
yeah, will keep that in mind..
Art is something, that has been with me since the early years .
Now I am going some time lapse videos
So beautiful
Video was recommended. Title looks interesting. Clicked. Cigar lit. Hit back button.
was never a great painter but was swept up along with Fishcle and Longo to become extremly successful - like Schnabel who is a terrible painter and always has been. Salle is a decent collage painter, reproduces well but if you see the works in the flesh -they are pretty lifeless affairs
Get over the cigar, guys. Mr. Salle lit up because he knew the interview was starting; it helped him focus; as an ex-smoker I know the feeling. Someone asked why he just doesn't paint instead of talking. Because we his admirers want to hear him speaking about his work; he is doing it for us; he feels a certain responsibility. He is a fluent speaker, the result of many years of quietly working on his own; the fruit of experience and reflection. We owe him.
I enjoy listening to an artist talk about their art though most times I don’t like to listen to others talk about an artist work.
yeah I'm not feeling a heartbeat in the work...
I agree, they all look like they needed a image reference to be completed. It’s also just all over the place and sporadic asf
@@ThoughtPumpkin0 The big joke in Salle's day referred to his inability to trace
How to talk and talk and talk without saying anything at all...Bravo!
I wonder if they teach that in college these days? They didn't when I went. Artist Crap Speak 101...I see that so much these days. It's as if galleries are auditioning artists for their looks and shit-speak abilities...!
I feel bad for the people that watched this video and only came away with how he lit his cigar.
Finally a decent comment. I can’t believe how distracted everyone is.
I appreciate David Salle sharing some of his process.
Me too, because he doesn't have to.
About 10% of his work, where it's clear some effort went into the composition and detail, are really good. The others are mostly sloppy, thrown-together random nonsense that's just good enough to fool the critics and art world into believing there's hidden meaning somewhere. In too many cases, that's all it takes.
welcome to automatism
welcome to art
Let's be honest here: 2 percent!
You're so right! Couldn't agree more...modern artists often have too much narrative and explanation to offer.
All these people here commenting on "talent" and/or "lack of talent" makes me sick and depressed, and it's only indicative of how much they haven't got a clue of what contemporary art's about: what they call "talent" is just a minuscule part of this trade. "Talent" is such an overrated component. As is "liking" something (in the sense that "I like this, therefore it is good and valuable"). Personally, I am unable to admire someone just for having been born with some gift; it's like admiring a woman for being pretty. You might just enjoy looking at that beautiful woman, but you don't admire her for that reason; she is pretty in an unwittingly way, so to say, there is no merit in that. What I can admire in someone making art, is having made relevant choices, having taken brave decissions and having worked very hard, steadily and sharply, in the development of a certain vision or impulse, and to me David Salle (his petulant manners put aside) certainly seems to be that.
Cristián Silva ...I have issues with the word ‘ talent’.
When you say a person has talent, it connotes some sort of innate gift that they have been blessed with.
And, it short changes the artist by failing to recognize and credit him for the years of work,study and practice that is the real source of his artistic success.
The term is also used to justify quitting.
A person who believes that there are some people who have talent and others who, sadly, lack it, can stop making an effort and give up saying, ‘well, what’s the point? I don’t have any talent.’
@@renzo6490 you get it.
That’s a lot of words ,I liked some of his earlier stuff ,he’s wandered off the path and his paintings look weak and confused now ,it happens .
@@johncastle8254 "Like", pffff.
When you enter through the gates of the human heart, there are no rules, or boundaries. Art is just a word. What exactly is or isn’t art.
Yes indeed, just paint, just create; Paint, draw, sculpt, write, sing, dance, blow bubbles.... whatever your whispering excitement calls you for.
Stop thinking and channel!
Thinking is for certain tasks: booking a flight or writing a shopping list.
It’s merely a secretary.
We are all children at heart.
Let’s play and enjoy this play, we call:
Life!
Damn. This guy is good. His whole f*ckin' vibe's like a mob boss with a paint brush. And that piece at 1:28. Wow.
my school is having a sale on all some books in their library. a book about salle is in this collection and is being sold for $2. i thought his work was semi-interesting and wanted to do some research on it. thank god i put that book back on the shelf.
he's one of the most honest artists you will come across!
As a „hobby“ artist (is there such a thing?) I am surprised how many negative comments I find here. I am just grateful for people spending their time creating and not destroying something. I think it is of no use for the inner process inside of yourself judging this man for being himself.
It seems like history collided with the now. Overlapping timelines with a peaceful window for the reflection of memories. We are all carrying the past into the future. Simultaneous integration. It has to be digested in pieces. What an elegant man is he.
it so beautiful i like your pictures
He’s definitely right about the necessity for balance between the immediate impact and the long term payoff. Paintings are unique in that multiple levels may be present and placed right under the viewer’s nose, and at the same time completely invisible.
Consider the painting in which the human body has been used as a mark making instrument. Those impressions were left on the top layer, and as such could conjure for those individuals who participated in its making, the “circus” involved in its creation Now consider the figures composed beneath those impressions, gesturing and turning in a kind of illusory space. These bodies were presumably created through the use of a brush, a much more common experience for the gallery-going crowd. The circus that is laid upon the canvas at this layer, now mirrors the circus taking place in Salle’s mind as he creates, with the brush operating as a fulcrum of sorts.
Now, observe the contrast brought to bear upon the mind of the viewer, who considers the image before them and considers the mark making implement and its relationship to the body in mind just by looking at this strange surface. Isn’t this another kind of circus?
All this to say that you can focus on the cigar and call him pretentious thereby avoiding any potential embarrassment from exposing your ignorance, or you can take what he’s saying seriously and see where that leads you. There may be something in that experience worth exploring and enjoying. We steal from ourselves when we are too quick to dismiss what we don’t immediately understand.
Jay, I totally agree and appreciate your comment. Thank you.
One of the US greatest living artist. Love his New Yorker ? paintings.
I'm pretty good with picking up on subtle details, but did anyone else notice that he was smoking a cigar throughout the interview?
lol
A genuine work of art usually displeases at first sight, as it suggests a deficiency in the spectator. (Johann Wolfgang von Goethe)
Vic Proulx .....interesting...it should unsettle you and make you look again...and keep looking....not knowing whether it's good or not...isn't it ?
@@neoaureus Goethe suggests that sometimes there are renewed looks, and a learning to love the exotic.
Vic Proulx ...he never saw a Picasso.
Maybe he wouldn't say that if he's seen today's contemporary or post modernist art.
Obviously many people commenting aren't aware that Salle is one of the most influential painters of postmodern art. Sure, he might not be the best technician, but the emotionless quality of the work is part of the expression. And yes his pretentiousness is well known. But I've always been interested in what he has to say. Like the fascination with listening to a philosopher like Derrida or Foucault even if you disagree with everything they're saying.
I like the intense passion for seeing scenes of lifestories or glimpses of moments of all kinds of something happening - I would use the word - images of life - and somehow I find it liberating that you seen to use a mixture/collage of drawing, painting, photo silscreens and more - they are definitely very interesting to move into -
Yep, I agree.
Immediate impact, and grows in dimension over time.
This man is obviously comfortable in his own skin...and it shows in his work.
Great video production. It just flows well.
The negative comments here are pathetic. Weak jealousy plus 'why don't he just talk normal'. In reality, this dude is very plain spoken with minimal tendendency toward theoretical jargoplexing. And his work speaks for itself.
Thanx for suggestion!
Wow: As soon as the guy lights his cigar, I think to myself “I like this guy in person as much as I do on paper.” (His book is excellent. [Similar swagger.])
This should have been titled "First year art student smokes cigar"
Don't let me laugh 😂😂
thanks for sharing
Have loved his work since about 94.
david sale is a great painter, and his work is much different than schnabel's. his teacher was baldessari and you can tell. he can draw just fine, thank you very much. art isn't just about draftsmanship.
The king’s new clothes
I love the blue double doors with the archway.
when your right your right! That's all that needs saying about this dude! Love it!
You're and you're
I'm pleased to see a growing distaste for postmodernism and it's priest class. Also pleased he didn't mention a "journey" or "personal truth".
Nếu "làm đỉ" thì tôi củng nghỉ dc như rứa, xã hội thì chỉ thế thôi. Làm việc ở Văn Bản Pháp Luật thì ko thể thay đổi. Tôi là Tác Phẩm Art
It’s much better than some of the modern art I’ve seen.
Terrific art , enthralled with David's work.
HEY EVERYONE! CAP RICOSM is “enthralled” with David’s work! “ENTHRALLED”
As if anyone gives a sh*t what you think! You’re a pathetic nobody sitting there on your sofa watching pretentious art videos thinking you’re some upper class art critic when you’re just some random clown wishing you were apart of this pretentious group of douche bags so you can feel good about yourself for once.
I studied art and I always remember a mature friend taking a painter break and lighting up his pipe before contemplating a work in progress. Then he would come out with some meaningful critique just like that.
I left my job in management to pursue my art career. People called me crazy. Hope am not. Hoping I have a bit of talent, and started my youtube channel. Hoping I have support from all of you. Thank you 😊
Did I miss something? Why are there so many negative comments?
wow, it took me many years to connect and understand your work. thank u
But he impresses sudden impact, years of understanding is you finding yourself not finding Salle's meaning.
i think the cigar bit is the best
Irony, the cigar is the art, the paint just misses.
An artist must put their vision outside of themselves on display, it’s very difficult and vulnerable. Unless you can relate to baring your own soul it’s impossible to understand. Thank you for sharing this perspective.
Why can't the art speak for itself? Instead, we have to listen to inanity while the artist tries to figure out a way to transform verbally his painting into art. It's a hopeless exercise, best avoided.
Brian Richards Amen. Good artist don’t speak for their pieces. The piece is the communication.
@@LeandroVelez7 and Brian Richards, that's why both of you guys came here... to listen to the artist speak about his work??? Hard to understand.
Because sometimes theres another layer of enjoyment that comes from an explaination. Art is basically another language, and some people just really want/need a translation. And when all you do and talk about is art, it makes sense when someone comes along and asks you to talk about it.
David Salle- A weakly-talented artist who enjoyed the good fortune to fall into the fold of Mary Boone during the hyped and money-saturated 1980's. The art industry cannot allow overpriced works to lose value because it would demolish the illusion of sustainable investment. Example: a painting sold in 1983 for $10,000 can never sell for less. Thus, it can be said if your work is not robustly increasing in value, that is a good indication of its lack of desirability. Take note of auction pricing, where those painters who prospered from the Neo-Expressionist hype can barely maintain a $20- $60,000 price range. Examples are Salle & Schnabel whose work is notorious among auction houses for being large, heavy, cumbersome and barely worth the effort to hang and sell.
Conversely, look at painters like George Condo and Basquiat who both rose to fame during the same time period. Their works are selling for 5 to 20 times more and in some cases tens of millions. I am not one to equate money with quality in art, that is for the dealers & collectors. But the pricing tells a story- it shows that time weeds out the good from the bad.
while i enjoy the easy excess of the 80s, including the casually smashed plate paintings of schnabel, i have to agree with you. salle has obviously found substance to be too difficult to capture with paint so has opted for some safe art world strategies (here divorced from their original meaning) to keep his credibility. but who are we to dare say such things? that is the morbid effect of the capitalist market on art, which is meant to be the most human of endeavours
You had me going until you brought Basquiat in. I find him to be the most overhyped, overpriced, overrated artist of the past 30 years. Celebrity cache, rubbing elbows with (gasp!) David Bowie, OMG = Fabulousity!! Cartoonish, repetitive, threadbare street art references, but with the compelling, if not authentic, back story, something all insecure collectors love to regurgitate as if that has any bearing on the quality of the artwork. The ArtMarket unfortunately dictates prices, but by doing so equates commerciality with Artistic Merit. The glut of mediocre Post-Post-postmodern art today causes Art Fatigue, aka PMSD, ie Post Modern Stress Disorder. The poor young, ambitious artist with a modicum of talent must strive to negotiate an inchoate path strewn with debris and corpses of others who look just like themselves, making themselves crazy by trying to be "original" while staring at the infinite range of styles and output they somehow must not copy. Being Derivative is a sin worse than being sardonically schlocky. Being Sincere is worst of all. No wonder uninformed hoi polloi longing for beauty, but left out of the insider Art world, swallow T Kincaide assembly landscape porn in desperation. Pricing telling the story? Kincaide's enterprises reputedly generated a billion in revenues.
I feel like I live in a different world because I will never understand how people can think David Salle is not fantastic.The images he strings together make my mind buzz. Like a weird hallucination of tangential thoughts.
Martin Hyizna ..if it’s true what you say,that time weeds out the good from the bad, I’m wondering how long we will have to suffer Conceptual Art before it is weeded out.
What about the paintings where you hired my painter friends at that Jersey City Sign Painting shop to do the paintings for you? Your design, granted, but it was they who could paint, not you.
It's odd now that it seems to be more commonplace that 'artists' just hire others to do the work. Surely you'd be a 'designer', if you design something, and an 'artist' if you create the art and vision itself. Strange times. Personally I prefer an artist who does the art themselves XD
I played this expecting to see great paintings. My God... I get sad when I see what art has become. These days painters do not paint, they make essays. Sad times.
Please don't let Salle's work turn you off to what others of his era have done. He's mostly smoke, and there have been brilliant, informed discussions exploring just how the hell he ever got noticed. He isn't 'what art has become' -- he just got lucky. Keep looking.
Thank you for sharing..enjoyed this🐦🐦🎈
this reads like an actor playing a painter in a luxury brand commercial... nice paintings tho
I thought at first, is this guy an actor playing the self absorbed.
Great voice! Shoulda been in radio. Liked his simpler narrative and enigmatic works best. I don't smoke but I liked the pretentious BIG cigar lighting in the BIG studio!
In spite of what old Sigmund said about it; sometimes a cigar isn't just a cigar at all.
Something I've been told I HAVE to do in my new VLOG series. Look at the work, the total body of work will tell the story better than i will ever be able to
I came here for the Comments, and I was not disappointed
I like his attitude
good work!
This is all "Art Bollocks" He is a legend in his own Mind
and it upset you so much that you had to share your limited thoughts with the rest of us. Just look at your youtube name, it shows how much you want to be exactly what you are not. If you were an artist you wouldn't have to include the word 'artist' in your handle. Are you still in high school?
I've watched a lot of these and I thought I'd seen the most pretentious annoying ones but he really takes the cake
I am attracted to the figures moving in space - somehow the are very imaginary - like Dream travels, glimpses of. Something that happened somewhere
That's how I feel a bit about it too Lis...His paintings just make me think of that moment before you fall asleep when you're still thinking about the day , but your mind is starting to wonder towards sleep. It's so visceral for me, and I have't really seen much else that quite grasps it the same way. That's just my feeling on it though.
I'm a jerk, but back to the cigar. His studio has so much flammable and hazardous materials that smoking or igniting anything can have perilous consequences.
Just "actually typing" saying.
The best painting in that studio is the job someone did on that blue door.
The words "good painting" aren't ones that should be coming out of Salle's mouth.
He seems to do Collage style of painting , putting different unrelated pictures into the canvass
at most it is Chaotic and does not make any sense , the viewer has to wonder what is this all about
in my opinion his colors are beautiful and he can of course paint well with human figures , but his
art does not say anything about human suffering neither has any good story to tell , it is totally
dull and senseless without any Purpose .
I think his art is really good because of aesthetic and elements of fine arts he is playing with. His freedom and freshness of his brush you can see all over like his signature. Composition is chaotic but indeed it can be. It's better to be focused on colours and aesthetic and elements of the fine arts than motive and narration. But if we going really deep into phylosophy of the arts than it would be better not to paint any motive at all only do phylosophy and go deep into subconscious and express our feelings in abstract way like Kazimir Maljevich was doing.
I honestly don't really care if it doesn't make 'sense' . They are extremely eerie and provocative for me and I find meaning in them anyways. To me, they say a whole hell of a lot, but I know others don't see it that way.
The cigar lighting provoked more reaction than his actual paintings & commentary from most of you. I think that it is both an epic success for him & miss for some.
It still falls into what he said about the instant reaction; yes/no/bad/good, etc.
Thank you David Salle. I enjoyed everything you said.
Google is one click away, stop hatin.
Salle's catalogue of works is undeniably remarkable and concrete.
Love this true narrative
I too look into the camera when lighting my luxury cigars. We have a lot in common.
Yeah he is the man
After watching a lot of videos on abstract art, I came down from dismissing them as outright mediocre to artists who have a good colour sense.
color is hard! :)
Good to see artists that have made it in the art world. Interesting ART. Thanks for sharing. :)
So nice.
Immediate impact with demands. His philosophy just goes through well this era
OMG WE HAVE THE SAME OPAQUE PROJECTOR -that sucker is heavy
what is the story behind it?
True. One split of a second.