I love this style for you bro. It “feels” like you are just taking us along for the ride doing something that you would do even if you weren’t filming this for us. Keep this up bro!
Nice good job here! I do agree that depth of field looks virtually identical however there’s one area that the film wins every time in your comparison - the highlights. In every photo the film handles the brighter areas better and you get what looks like much better dynamic range in my opinion.
Love the comparison. You should give the Archetype Process film emulations a look. It uses Lightroom Profiles, so color accuracy is a lot better and the dude profiled different exposure levels and scanners (Frontier/Noritsu) etc.
Thanks! In my opinion, full frame lens speeds win. For example a 67 75mm f2.8 is equivalent to a 35mm f1.4 on FF and a 67 55mm f2 is equivalent to a 28mm f2 on full frame. I’ve shot the latter side by side and they’re basically the same. Faster full frame 28mm lenses do exist.
105 f/2.4 on 67 is a 45 f/1.0 equivalent, so the Laowa 45 f/0.95 is probably the best option for Sony for that look. 65 f/1.4 on GFX would give you a 47 f/1.0 equivalent and the rendering is closer to the 105, so that’s a solid option as well.
@@DustinFrancisgood point taking aspect ratio into account . 24x36 needs to be reduced to 4:5 making diagonal of 38,42. Pentax 67 = 87.3 38,42/ 87,3 = 0.44 crop factor. But 105mm keeps 105mm lens characteristics and compression. So it’s not that easy for small 24x36 sensor to have such look. Yeah 65mm 1.4 on gfx is exact look of 105 2.4 . I’ve shot side by side .
this is true if you are matching the sony to a medium format, it is higher if it is the other way around if you appreciate the horizontal aspect ratio (portrait if you should vertical), if you were shooting while thinking for the client posting in social media which is 2:1 aspect ratio, then the sony have a shallower depth of field, since you have to crop pentax to the sony. this is because you need to shoot further with the medium format and crop it in post. this is why comparing crop factor only makes sense if the aspect ratio is the same, depending on where the client post it
Nice! I saw you post this in the Pentax Facebook group. I don’t have this lens yet for my a7cr but it is tempting. I do have a Pentax 67ii and 105mm f2.4, I also just got a Schneider cinelux 105mm f2. Which I just shot my first few rolls through it recently. But thanks for this video. Crazy how close the comparison is. The issue for me is editing. I don’t really like it. I pay for premium scans from the find lab and use frontier scanner. The scans 90 percent of the time look perfect when they come back. Especially portraits. So it takes the need for editing out for me. Which I love
excellent video, best I have seen on this topic. Makes me kind of want to get rid of P67, I have been considering this for a while but this just makes my case stronger. I have been using my Panasonic S5 a ton and never find the will to carry around the heavy pentax and spend a ton on film. I might give the verygoodpresets a try, they seem very nice for sure
Awesome video ! I'm myself a happy owner of the same set ups (Pentax 67 with 105mm and A7RV with 1.2/50mmGM) and i've been diggint this topic a looooot. Like a lot lot. Very happy you made this great video about this specific topic/set-ups. Thank you ! You made a great comparison here and it's clear we can achieve a lot with these new cameras and lenses. I agree with your conclusions, i made the same. The sony can get close to the look of the 105 but... it's not entirely the same sadly. Here are some observations i made during my own tests, hoping it'll help complete your test : The 105mm being a 50mm equivalent, it's still a 105mm lens so the compression is different. That's what you point with the bokeh bubble and the foreground bokeh being different. The 105mm is also wider than the 50mm GM (due to the 6x7 ratio) which is (to my taste) so much better, because you can have a larger image (for environnemental portrait for example) with that buttery depth of field, almost reminding 4x5 as many say. Last thing, and excuse me if i didn't ear it in the video, but did you think about switching off the "electronic first curtain shutter" on the A7RV ? It makes a HUUUUUGE difference in terms of bokeh when you reach high shutter speeds. If you didn't, i guess you need to make another video😁.
Thank you for this. I've done similar comparisons on my own channel but with digital MF with FF, it can be close at times indeed! I did not expect FF to match THIS CLOSE to Pentax67, impressive! Up until now I was thinking the GFX + Mitakon 65/1.4 would be the closest thing to digital P67 look, but now you have me guessing! At least the Sony + 50/1.2 route you get competent AF! great vid, thanks for sharing.
I guess that shooting film, especially MF, is not all about the way the final pictures look, but also about the whole process of shooting, which is of course light years away from the super modern digital cameras like Sony. Of course you can get in post (almost) all effects and simulation, but I suspect this is not the real point of shooting film.
Your Sony 50 f1.2 is not giving the same. If you check close up portraits and full body portraits it is because of 1.2 only the focusing point is sharp but with Pentax the full subject is in focus , better defined and still has amazing depth. Pentax 67 separation is not about only about background bokeh. Where it shines is it can still have amazing depth and produce every details between lines of the subject even at F4 because of the lens. Comparing Pentax 67 with a Sony is hilarious. I can understand with GFX system.
Home made development for the portra is not doing it any favours. If this was done at a good lab, I think the colours for portra would be better than what you have here. The colours you have here for the digital shots are more film like than the film shots - I think scanning using the Sony camera for the 67 is just not bringing out the best colour of the film, again good scans from a lab would really bring out the best.
I appreciate your feedback. I’ve shot a lot of film. Negative lab pro white balances off of the negative. I respectfully disagree with what you’re saying.
first you talk about the development then you get into the scanning, i think you don't know what you're talking about lol you can get the colors to look however you want in negative lab pro
I would agree. I’ve seen comparisons of Negative Lab Pro VS a Fuji Frontier Scan and the Frontier scans are better. It captures the blues better. Negative Lab Pro does provide value though and does fill a gap. But nothing beats a Frontier scan
I love this style for you bro. It “feels” like you are just taking us along for the ride doing something that you would do even if you weren’t filming this for us. Keep this up bro!
I appreciate that! Thank you!!
@@julienajarry sorry man I had crazy typos but I just fixed them 😆
Nice good job here! I do agree that depth of field looks virtually identical however there’s one area that the film wins every time in your comparison - the highlights. In every photo the film handles the brighter areas better and you get what looks like much better dynamic range in my opinion.
Love this style of shooting Julien. It feels like your sweet spot for content. I can tell you're passionate about it!
Hey thanks! It takes a lot of work but I wanted to share!
Love the comparison. You should give the Archetype Process film emulations a look. It uses Lightroom Profiles, so color accuracy is a lot better and the dude profiled different exposure levels and scanners (Frontier/Noritsu) etc.
sweet dude thanks!
Great video! I’d really like to see this same test done with wider lenses. Something in the 20-30mm range.
Thanks! In my opinion, full frame lens speeds win. For example a 67 75mm f2.8 is equivalent to a 35mm f1.4 on FF and a 67 55mm f2 is equivalent to a 28mm f2 on full frame. I’ve shot the latter side by side and they’re basically the same. Faster full frame 28mm lenses do exist.
105 f/2.4 on 67 is a 45 f/1.0 equivalent, so the Laowa 45 f/0.95 is probably the best option for Sony for that look. 65 f/1.4 on GFX would give you a 47 f/1.0 equivalent and the rendering is closer to the 105, so that’s a solid option as well.
Nokton 40mm f1.2 😉
Thanks for your insight!
@@julienajarryI’ve spent dozens of hours over the years explaining equivalents, showing the math, and showing examples, so I’m happy to help!
@@DustinFrancisgood point taking aspect ratio into account .
24x36 needs to be reduced to 4:5 making diagonal of 38,42.
Pentax 67 = 87.3
38,42/ 87,3 = 0.44 crop factor.
But 105mm keeps 105mm lens characteristics and compression. So it’s not that easy for small 24x36 sensor to have such look.
Yeah 65mm 1.4 on gfx is exact look of 105 2.4 . I’ve shot side by side .
this is true if you are matching the sony to a medium format, it is higher if it is the other way around if you appreciate the horizontal aspect ratio (portrait if you should vertical),
if you were shooting while thinking for the client posting in social media which is 2:1 aspect ratio, then the sony have a shallower depth of field, since you have to crop pentax to the sony. this is because you need to shoot further with the medium format and crop it in post.
this is why comparing crop factor only makes sense if the aspect ratio is the same, depending on where the client post it
Nice! I saw you post this in the Pentax Facebook group. I don’t have this lens yet for my a7cr but it is tempting. I do have a Pentax 67ii and 105mm f2.4, I also just got a Schneider cinelux 105mm f2. Which I just shot my first few rolls through it recently. But thanks for this video. Crazy how close the comparison is. The issue for me is editing. I don’t really like it. I pay for premium scans from the find lab and use frontier scanner. The scans 90 percent of the time look perfect when they come back. Especially portraits. So it takes the need for editing out for me. Which I love
Dope dude!! Yes, the Pentax and Portra is an epic combo. Thank you!!
Really enjoyed this. Are your friends presets available try out or purchase? AND would they work with GFX files?
excellent video, best I have seen on this topic. Makes me kind of want to get rid of P67, I have been considering this for a while but this just makes my case stronger. I have been using my Panasonic S5 a ton and never find the will to carry around the heavy pentax and spend a ton on film. I might give the verygoodpresets a try, they seem very nice for sure
Thank you!!! 🎉
This was so good. Great to see you posting Julien!
Hey thanks bro!
Awesome video !
I'm myself a happy owner of the same set ups (Pentax 67 with 105mm and A7RV with 1.2/50mmGM) and i've been diggint this topic a looooot. Like a lot lot. Very happy you made this great video about this specific topic/set-ups. Thank you !
You made a great comparison here and it's clear we can achieve a lot with these new cameras and lenses.
I agree with your conclusions, i made the same. The sony can get close to the look of the 105 but... it's not entirely the same sadly.
Here are some observations i made during my own tests, hoping it'll help complete your test :
The 105mm being a 50mm equivalent, it's still a 105mm lens so the compression is different. That's what you point with the bokeh bubble and the foreground bokeh being different.
The 105mm is also wider than the 50mm GM (due to the 6x7 ratio) which is (to my taste) so much better, because you can have a larger image (for environnemental portrait for example) with that buttery depth of field, almost reminding 4x5 as many say.
Last thing, and excuse me if i didn't ear it in the video, but did you think about switching off the "electronic first curtain shutter" on the A7RV ? It makes a HUUUUUGE difference in terms of bokeh when you reach high shutter speeds. If you didn't, i guess you need to make another video😁.
Hey thanks for all this insight!
Both look phenomenal 🎉
Thanks!
Really highlights just how amazing the Pentax was (and is). Both look fantastic - great job on this video 💪
Thanks a ton!
Great vid. That says a lot about the Pentax 67. Great camera and great lens.
Thank you!!
Thank you for this. I've done similar comparisons on my own channel but with digital MF with FF, it can be close at times indeed! I did not expect FF to match THIS CLOSE to Pentax67, impressive! Up until now I was thinking the GFX + Mitakon 65/1.4 would be the closest thing to digital P67 look, but now you have me guessing! At least the Sony + 50/1.2 route you get competent AF!
great vid, thanks for sharing.
Dude thank you!!
Fun experiment! Good job sir! (I'll take the pentax 67 any day of the week over a sony!)
Thank you!!
You killed it Julien, You completely confused me on a7rv images, great comparison. Loved it!
Edited: Make more YT videos! Seriously!
Thank you!!!
Great video... you should have way more followers than 5k!
Working on it! Haha thank you!
This was very good
Haha thanks!
Awesome man! ❤
Thanks 🔥
The falloff is more pronounced on the Pentax and pretty easy to spot
I appreciate your insight!
Wow right down the street from my house. And I shoot a7rv and fx3 and leica. Whats up we should collab in Santa Cruz
Sick dude!! Sorry to say we were just visiting!
Keep crushing it!
Great comparison. Now i know i'm holding a Pentax A7rV
😜
whats wild is that I only shoot Sony A7IV and Pentax 6x7 mlu and this video popped up
i sold all my other cameras (mamiya and canon)
I love the loud repetitive background music between every sentence.
This was awesome! Now I know I have a Pentax 67 on me, just in case! :)
hah hey thanks!
The Pentax focuses better than the new Nikon Z6iii 🤣.
I guess that shooting film, especially MF, is not all about the way the final pictures look, but also about the whole process of shooting, which is of course light years away from the super modern digital cameras like Sony. Of course you can get in post (almost) all effects and simulation, but I suspect this is not the real point of shooting film.
Your Sony 50 f1.2 is not giving the same. If you check close up portraits and full body portraits it is because of 1.2 only the focusing point is sharp but with Pentax the full subject is in focus , better defined and still has amazing depth. Pentax 67 separation is not about only about background bokeh. Where it shines is it can still have amazing depth and produce every details between lines of the subject even at F4 because of the lens. Comparing Pentax 67 with a Sony is hilarious. I can understand with GFX system.
The 67 shots are easier on the eye.
Home made development for the portra is not doing it any favours. If this was done at a good lab, I think the colours for portra would be better than what you have here. The colours you have here for the digital shots are more film like than the film shots - I think scanning using the Sony camera for the 67 is just not bringing out the best colour of the film, again good scans from a lab would really bring out the best.
I appreciate your feedback. I’ve shot a lot of film. Negative lab pro white balances off of the negative. I respectfully disagree with what you’re saying.
I totally disagree. 99% of the time my home development and scans beat lab scans - and I've tried 7 different labs.
first you talk about the development then you get into the scanning, i think you don't know what you're talking about lol you can get the colors to look however you want in negative lab pro
I would agree. I’ve seen comparisons of Negative Lab Pro VS a Fuji Frontier Scan and the Frontier scans are better. It captures the blues better.
Negative Lab Pro does provide value though and does fill a gap. But nothing beats a Frontier scan
@@ohhimark8028I’ve got a Fuji frontier, so you’re incorrect, I do know what I’m talking about. Do you have a frontier?