Misty is wild, other than games vs the AI every single game I've seen a Misty has either given them 1 or 0 heads... *besides one absolute supreme being that flipped 11 heads in a row on me* I've been playing card games for my whole life and I don't think I will ever forget that moment
Misty is THE worst designed card in this game. Every other coinflip card in the game only derives its value on that turn itself (example: you go double heads on Marowak EX and KO something, but the next turn you could whiff entirely for 0 damage). A successful Misty flip, even just one, is likely to carry your momentum for the rest of the game as long as that Pokémon remains alive. The closest competitor in strength to Misty is Moltres EX, but it has to use its attack and leaves itself vulnerable in the active regardless of whether it gets good results or not. Misty can potentially fully energize your Pokémon to get it swinging IMMEDIATELY on that turn itself, and of course you can start building up your other attackers in the meantime so the opponent has basically little to zero chance of coming back. Tl;Dr Misty is a broken coinflip card due to how its coinflips continue generating value past the turn it is used. You only need to flip good for a Misty ONCE, whereas other coinflip cards need to flip well in consecutive fashion.
Misty should be, if you use this, your turn ends immediately. Even then, it still break the tempo for example if you get 2 heads on t1, it doesnt matter if your turn ends. The turn ends just mitigate the potential comeback from that card, when you're at 1 life, and 1 energy short.
A really good idea I read somewhere was that Misty could reduce energy costs for that turn. So you could flip 3 heads and use that articuno blizzard turn 1, but "that's it"
i dont think mewtwo would be nearly as powerful as it is if gardevoir didnt exist so, in some sense, hes actually right. the price is way to high if you dont have a way to ramp up your energy
It's alright without gardevoir because having the 2 attacks gives needed flexibility. Being able to chip away with 50 prior to the big attack is quite relevant as well as after the big attack for a turn without gardevoir. If it needed gardevoir every time it wouldn't be any better than charizard because with moltres charizard mewtwo gardevoir both require a stage 2, but it's flipped where the energy source for psychic is the stage 2, but for fire it's the basic EX giving the energy. We've consistently seen mewtwo outperform charizard though in tournaments.
@@dark_ritnot quite right. Mewto being able to do something by itself without anything else is what makes it so good and gardevoir doesn't need an energy nor does it need to attack. Charizard requires a very specific setup, while mewtwo is kinda like: well hopefully I get gardevoir in time to beat the opponents wincon, but if my opponent bricks then I win either way.
Yea, I'd actually say without Gardi Mewtwo EX is sorta worse Golurk which is funny because rn Golurk is worse Mewtwo EX. But Golurk would be better because, yes, you are coinflipping, but you can just 1hko literally everything in the game with 200dmg without drawback aside from the coinflip itself. So, you can actually allocate your other energy for your 2nd Golurk while the 1st is still 1 prize point. Meanwhile with Mewtwo EX, you can't allocate energy anywhere else, its slow w/4 energy, and costs 2 prize points.
People have recently discovered that porygon actually has a niche with slab in psychic decks so his assessment of saying it may have a use is completely correct
Porygon is only slightly useful at one copy, if you happen to draw if before you play anything and it's not in your active spot. It can't be used as a wall, makes pokéball worse because you don't wanna waste it on porygon and slab worse because it only works on psychic types. Microscopic niche at best until we get porygon 2 in the gen 2 set.
@@havaiana_de_pastel I could see it being a nuisance to draw from Pokeball however you can use it with Pokeball to deckfix. But how is it bad with slab? You use porygon to check if your next card is a psychic and then slab if it is, or if that top card is something you don't need in the moment you can move it to the bottom to find pieces quicker. I'll also say from playing porygon a bit that even just having that extra information can help plan a turn ahead, with isn't super helpful but nice to have.
@@jacobsiron6929 The problem with pokedex is that rarely in this game to you need to plan 3 turns ahead, however being able to plan 1 turn ahead every turn is useful at times.
23:50 honestly a pretty good evaluation with the information he had. Mewtwo EX only dominates the current meta because it has Gardevoir to feed its attack. Without Gardevoir, Mewtwo EX is mid at best. Edit: Also agree with Moltres EX arguably being top 5. Other than Liligant, I dont think there is any bad energy acceleration in this game atm. Misty, as pointed out, can decide whole games on a coin flip 😅
This is a little missleading at best..... any big payout is at the best as good as m2 even tho they are stage 2.... gard is clearly the better pairing what cut exploration around it, but we still have some top cut on big tournaments with no gard m2 which is an extremely rare achievement to any pokemon get top without their main support.... arguing that m2 is not an amazing card is a very hard argument to make
The real Pokemon TCG has managed to make Stage 2s good. They have the Rare Candy that allows you to evolve straight from basic to T2, TM Evolution that allows you to evolve 2 bench Pokemon with Pokemon from your deck in place of your attack, and Stage 1s with useful abilities like Kirlia and Drakloak that give you instant value while you build up to Stage 2. The game is way more fun and interesting now compared to the era of slamming V pokemon.
1:02:22 0.875 is an adjusted value which does account for irrelevant added energy. (Anything above 3 is considered irrelevant.) The non adjusted expected value is 1.
I would not say Pigeot EX is bad, it is probably one of the best stage 2 EX because of the fact that you can pair it with anything. It should be judged based on the options of low investment pokemons in the format.
I don't know why, but my ass thought you were going to go through EVERY SINGLE CARD. XD Honestly though, I want him to sit down with the Genetic Apex library, try to build a few decks, and then be exposed to Mythical Island and see how that changes the meta in his own head, and then how he'd build decks to combat it. I think that'd be really cool!
pidgeot ex isnt that bad. i've found it to be the perfect secondary mon in a starmie deck. lotta water mons rely on misty coin flips and lotta colorless either dont hit hard enough or die easily (or both) . starmie doesnt need lotta energy to get going, so as of the current speed of the game, i have just enough time to set pidgeot with 3 energy. i also play 2 potions and a single blue to make my already tanky ex mons stay alive long enough. its the best way to play both.... from experimenting on both. for now anyway. i dunno how good they will be in the future but i feel like i will probably be playing them seperately in the future (if they are still good ofc) TL:DR: pidgeot is a good boy >:(
@@emkalina This. Grass is arguably the type with the MOST ramps. Fire only has Moltres, which is good but relies on coinflips, and Fire has many Pokémon that discard energies on attacks so you NEED a good ramp. Water has Misty which is either 50/50 utterly broken or useless, and to a lesser extent, the new Vaporeon that can help you reassign energy when pivoting, Psychic has Gardevoir which is very good but is a stage 2, Fighting and Electric have Brock and Lt. Surge with Magneton, that only work on specific Pokémon, not their entire energy type. Meanwhile Grass has Liligant, a Stage 1 with reasonable HP and damage that feeds your bench while attacking, the new Exeggcute that feeds itself Grass from 1 Colorless (I've seen people even run it in non-Grass decks) and Serperior whose ability makes it a CRAZY good ramp for your whole team, on top of Grass types not having much if any "discard energy" attacks, so once they're ramped, they're ready to go for the long haul (and then there's Celebi EX...)
I mean how can you expect this guy to get things right without any context. Mewtwo ex is a monster, because it works in tandem with Gardevoir; if he doesn't know about Gardevoir there is no way for him to tell
Woahhh I think somewhere in my heart I wanted this given how much I loved the Snap version of this (not just with BBD but all the guests) this was a very pleasant surprise!
24: He's not really wrong since he doesn't know that Gardevoir exists. Without extra energy support, many other Pokes can trample Mewtwo pretty easily.
Yep, Mewtwo really only is the top-meta monster he is because Gardevoir is an excellent support ramp that enables 150 damage EVERY TURN once it's setup.
In the original physical TCG first they only had Trainer cards: thematically the trainer/player assisting the pokemon in some way. Later they wanted to add the once per turn rule to balance some of the Trainer cards and so the Supporter archetype was born, storywise implying a person from outside the fight situation showing up to aid you
serperior is the only card i would argue is broken. people say celebi is broken but it can break so many other grass mons. venusaur ex would probably be one of the best decks if it wasnt for celebi. its tanky with access to best heal card erika and has it's built in heal that would just need 2 energy to do it. celebi is the best beater but thats only because serperior breaks it. MAYBE gardevoir and misty could be ban worthy too but im guessing they are just gonna keep adding more mana cheats for everything. its gonna be like yugioh where its balanced around everything being crazy so it all becomes fair. i dont get why people are so mad about misty but when it comes to other decks with mana ramp they blame the beater instead of the ramp
Stage 2 pokemon will take over the meta once (if) we get more card draw that does the opposite of Pokeball and instead draws you a stage 1 or a stage 2. Either that, or more card draw. Cuz at the end of the day, if you have all your evolutions, all you really need is energy. And cards like Golem would be hella busted.
Back in the day it used to be just "Trainers" then they separated items and supporters in like 06/07 era. This games been so nostalgic for me! Great content man!
27:33 Im pretty sure "Energy zone" is an IRL game term for cards because you also have a stack of energy cards while playing (someone correct me if im wrong, its been a while since i played the IRL game)
46:11 I think you are exactly right about Pidgeot ex but I think being colorless and being usable in any deck makes it worth it. Guaranteed 80 + say even 1-2 Pokémon on bench by the time you use it. I think that 80-100-120-140 is solid risk
49:43 you shoulda ran a test game for him to explain plays and how a deck works. I think it would've helped his evaluation of cards and playability more too!
Fun to see his assessments! Though I’d probably rather see the guest on the thumbnail, since they’re the whole point of the video, and at first glance it seemed like you’re the guest
The issue with this format is its judging cards in a vacuum, since the guest doesn't know of most cards available. Like if you showed him the Magikarp used for Gyarados EX with Leap Out, you'd have to say its a bad card since it cant even attack. But with added context, of course, it's actually very good. So I would say maybe do a different version where it's about rating decks as a whole perhaps, or where the person makes decks they think would be good trying to guess the meta, etc. I also think instead of explaining the game to them (which took ~10 minutes at the start plus the info sprinkled as the vid progressed), they should just complete all of the tutorial which takes about 20 mins. Overall nice vid though, cool concept!
14:17 He made a perfect analysis. Mythical slab renders Porygon at least usable, guaranteeing that extra card will be put in your hand. Worth putting two Porygon in your deck? Probably not, but as he said, it can have niche uses.
Funny thing about Gyarados EX, my first assessment was it wouldn't be a good card for the same reason as the MTG champ. But low and behold, it is the most polarizing card in the game, you either beat it, or you don't. 140 seems to be a bad number because of the Mewtwo 150hp breakpoint, but its paired with Druddigon and Greninja that fixes its damage to OHKO. Its 180hp makes it impossible to get revenge killed with the current cards from full, except by Charizard ex with is extremely unlikely to be on bench, or still at full HP on the active slot.
14:05 He’s exactly right actually. People are using porygon in psychic decks with mythic slab to hit their evolution pieces. It is absolutely a utility card just like he said, he knocked it out of the park on the first card. This dude definitely knows card games, I’m excited to see the rest of his insights!
@@KMPocketit’s bad to know what card is on the top of your deck when using a card that pulls the top card of your deck if it’s the right card? I can’t really find the logic there, I’d love it if you could explain how that is bad.
@@LiShuBen The logic is "the ability to know the top card of your deck is not worth an entire card in your limited 20 slots". If Porygon was a useful Pokemon in other ways, sure, but it isn't.
I would so love to see you join the CGB/Rarran/Cimoooooooo multiverse!! I'm quite curious to see what Porygon-2 and Porygon-Z end up being like, Porygon definitely sucks right now but the fact that we know it can evolve might turn it into a useful piece of the chain. 27:31 The only difference I can see as of yet with the energy wording is if your opponent copies the attack with Mew EX, they have to have the correct energy in their pile to benefit from it. Or at least I assume that would be the case, I've not actually encountered that scenario yet
Youre right about the naming of “trainer” and “supporter” cards. Im of the opinion that either should be switched w the other. Trainers should specifically refer to character cards that can only be used once per turn. Supporter cards should refer to both item and trainer cards since both types of cards support the pokemon in play
My guess is that it's a holdover from very early Gen 1 TCG where the localisation wasn't as good, and they never changed it because it would cause confusion and invalidate old cards
Saying pidgeot ex is bad needs a bit of an adendum is bad in tournaments cause it gives your oponent a lot of control over its damage but in casual play is the definitive counter meta pick, it eats pikachu for breakfast, survives psy drive and 2 shots mewtwo, 2 shots celebi even with erika and potions(cause thier going to have serpirior in bench),
For such a cool concept of a video, the host is doing a horrible job of leading the guest into insightful conversation. I've seen this concept applied in other instances, and as a host, honestly the less you do and say, the better. Even the reactions to the Magic dude wjen he's doing his reasonings drives me crazy, just let the man speak without conditioning his thinking at every step of the way.
I definitely think it would have been interesting to show decks or core Pokémon combos and have him evaluate the core… like it’s impossible to evaluate mewtwo correctly without seeing gardevoir
Watching the vid: the quizz like format is really fun and always surprises me how someone with no context can sometimes get things extremely right (that whole drud to lax stretching is specially impressive since poke players were kinda wrong on those before playing with it). Reading the comments: "pidgeot and porygon are goated and you dumb" lol Ps.: although in the macro u prolly right the overall power level pushed potion out of decks... in the previous meta 5 of the top 6 decks used potions, 2 to 3 of them double potions. In this meta, only arcazard uses one potion and pika use from 0 to 2 potions
I think this evaluation of your friend would have actually been more insightful if you explained the rules a bit further, especially not in the context of the single card but typing (same element, archetype or similar) since it's difficult to judge something on a base value without knowing its supporters or (pre-) evolutions
yeah its really hard to manage this! I tried to stick to big EX guys so that he knew the general role they had, because if I show a low hp mon or whatever, he wont know it turns into something big
Pokemon Pocket cards are a lot harder to rate without context compared to Marvel Snap cards. With marvel snap, you just have cost, power and ability you can understand very well what it does. In Pokemon Pocket, there is also typing, which can matter a lot based on the current meta and there are also evolutions, which can make otherwise weak basics worth playing. The only cards that can be easily assessed are the trainer cards (both item and supporter). Maybe instead of just single Pokemon, you could try showing the whole evolution line?
It is amazing hearing BBD's takes, you can tell why he's a tcg world champ! If you take into account the information he did and didn't have with his takes, he was SPOT on almost 100% of the time. Mewtwo EX with no energy accel suppport? Ass ✅️ Porygon with some way to draw *valuable* cards? Good✅️ (This would be mythical slab, the indeed only way its good lol) Moltres with no way to get other basics? Ass ✅️ Gyarados EX with no Misty? Underwhelming ✅️ Like it'll AMAZING how he completely read this AND a lot of the amost EXACT dynamics cards have with eachother, again from knowing NOTHING before today. My goodness. World champ difference!
36:10 With Hypno, Gengar is great. It’s just not the most consistent, similar to Celebi or Marowak. When it works, it’s great. It’s a slightly better Wigglytuff. This is also a great counter to decks like Gyrados and Celebi, which are at the top of the meta. Celebi decks cannot play Erika, and Gyrados decks cannot play Misty while Gengar is in the active spot. However, you cannot let them set up on you, and if you do, you need your second Gengar getting ready and set up. In total, the Gengar deck takes 6-7 turns to get both Gengars with 3 energies, and two Hypnos on the board. The Hypnos can flip a coin to swing sleep pendulum. If you have two, you can get two chances.
this is one of those things im trying to figure out how to iron out, because just knowing its from an evo line isnt really enough? its about if that evo line is good, and even if i tell him it evolves, he doesnt know what it turns into. maybe i have to show whole lines?
27:00 the attack reads 10% chance to get nothing 30% chance to get 1 engery and play it 30% chance to get 2 and play them 10% to be on par with black lotus if black lotus played 3 lands from deck instead of giving 3 mana no you didn't need to explain the card I don't get how he thought that you need a mana dump to spend mana. even if charazard didn't exsit the attack would be good
So to explain why trainers and supporters are a thing and why they are what they are. All of this is from the physical card game where everything is a trainer card, there are just different classifications of the cards I.E. supporter/ item/ tool/ stadium, supporter cards is just a mechanic of the card that allows you to know how many a turn you can play. It is still a trainer card. The trainer card name has nothing to do with the fact that the cards are based on a character or not. Most likely there will be a supporter card in the future that does not put a character as its theme.
the energy zone has a little meaning if im not mistaken. you can only take a specific type of energy of your energy zone if you chose your deck to generate that type of energy. for example, a dragonite deck generally has the water and electric energies in the energy zone. in the case of moltres ability it really dont make a difference but im almost positive that if you could use inferno dance in some way and you dont have fire energy in your deck than the attack would do literally nothing
@@juliogama2451 nope, old golem with only one fighting energy is splashable into any deck, because brock can fetch fighting energy even if you don't have fighting energy.
Listening to BDD evaluate Misty and you say "If you get two heads your winrate is probably like 85%" as I hit two heads and my opp concedes
Misty is wild, other than games vs the AI every single game I've seen a Misty has either given them 1 or 0 heads... *besides one absolute supreme being that flipped 11 heads in a row on me*
I've been playing card games for my whole life and I don't think I will ever forget that moment
Misty is THE worst designed card in this game. Every other coinflip card in the game only derives its value on that turn itself (example: you go double heads on Marowak EX and KO something, but the next turn you could whiff entirely for 0 damage). A successful Misty flip, even just one, is likely to carry your momentum for the rest of the game as long as that Pokémon remains alive.
The closest competitor in strength to Misty is Moltres EX, but it has to use its attack and leaves itself vulnerable in the active regardless of whether it gets good results or not. Misty can potentially fully energize your Pokémon to get it swinging IMMEDIATELY on that turn itself, and of course you can start building up your other attackers in the meantime so the opponent has basically little to zero chance of coming back.
Tl;Dr Misty is a broken coinflip card due to how its coinflips continue generating value past the turn it is used. You only need to flip good for a Misty ONCE, whereas other coinflip cards need to flip well in consecutive fashion.
Misty should be, if you use this, your turn ends immediately.
Even then, it still break the tempo for example if you get 2 heads on t1, it doesnt matter if your turn ends.
The turn ends just mitigate the potential comeback from that card, when you're at 1 life, and 1 energy short.
A really good idea I read somewhere was that Misty could reduce energy costs for that turn. So you could flip 3 heads and use that articuno blizzard turn 1, but "that's it"
@@breloommaster12 in before new Eevee dealing 200+ damage from a single Colorless energy due to 10+ heads coin flip 😭
i dont think mewtwo would be nearly as powerful as it is if gardevoir didnt exist so, in some sense, hes actually right. the price is way to high if you dont have a way to ramp up your energy
Totaly agree. Without Gardevoir, Mewtwo EX kinda suck. There's a reason why no one plays Mewtwo EX whithout Gardevoir. It's because it doesn't work.
It's alright without gardevoir because having the 2 attacks gives needed flexibility. Being able to chip away with 50 prior to the big attack is quite relevant as well as after the big attack for a turn without gardevoir. If it needed gardevoir every time it wouldn't be any better than charizard because with moltres charizard mewtwo gardevoir both require a stage 2, but it's flipped where the energy source for psychic is the stage 2, but for fire it's the basic EX giving the energy. We've consistently seen mewtwo outperform charizard though in tournaments.
@@dark_ritnot quite right. Mewto being able to do something by itself without anything else is what makes it so good and gardevoir doesn't need an energy nor does it need to attack. Charizard requires a very specific setup, while mewtwo is kinda like: well hopefully I get gardevoir in time to beat the opponents wincon, but if my opponent bricks then I win either way.
Yea, I'd actually say without Gardi Mewtwo EX is sorta worse Golurk which is funny because rn Golurk is worse Mewtwo EX.
But Golurk would be better because, yes, you are coinflipping, but you can just 1hko literally everything in the game with 200dmg without drawback aside from the coinflip itself. So, you can actually allocate your other energy for your 2nd Golurk while the 1st is still 1 prize point. Meanwhile with Mewtwo EX, you can't allocate energy anywhere else, its slow w/4 energy, and costs 2 prize points.
People have recently discovered that porygon actually has a niche with slab in psychic decks so his assessment of saying it may have a use is completely correct
Pokéball also reshuffles your deck so you have some RNG manipulation too, though that provides a stronger case for Pokédex than Porygon imo
I just hope they eventually add Porygon 2/Z to make my bro more useful one day.
Porygon is only slightly useful at one copy, if you happen to draw if before you play anything and it's not in your active spot. It can't be used as a wall, makes pokéball worse because you don't wanna waste it on porygon and slab worse because it only works on psychic types. Microscopic niche at best until we get porygon 2 in the gen 2 set.
@@havaiana_de_pastel I could see it being a nuisance to draw from Pokeball however you can use it with Pokeball to deckfix. But how is it bad with slab? You use porygon to check if your next card is a psychic and then slab if it is, or if that top card is something you don't need in the moment you can move it to the bottom to find pieces quicker. I'll also say from playing porygon a bit that even just having that extra information can help plan a turn ahead, with isn't super helpful but nice to have.
@@jacobsiron6929 The problem with pokedex is that rarely in this game to you need to plan 3 turns ahead, however being able to plan 1 turn ahead every turn is useful at times.
I think that energy from the energy zone is in comparison to energy from the discard pile, which we will probably get in the future.
“Grass doesn’t have ramp”
Celebi doing 1240 damage because Serperior doubled all the Grass energy:
23:50 honestly a pretty good evaluation with the information he had. Mewtwo EX only dominates the current meta because it has Gardevoir to feed its attack. Without Gardevoir, Mewtwo EX is mid at best.
Edit: Also agree with Moltres EX arguably being top 5. Other than Liligant, I dont think there is any bad energy acceleration in this game atm. Misty, as pointed out, can decide whole games on a coin flip 😅
This is a little missleading at best..... any big payout is at the best as good as m2 even tho they are stage 2.... gard is clearly the better pairing what cut exploration around it, but we still have some top cut on big tournaments with no gard m2 which is an extremely rare achievement to any pokemon get top without their main support.... arguing that m2 is not an amazing card is a very hard argument to make
"have you seen a single card that lives through that 150?" yeah, you showed him venusaur ex before the judging even started, lol.
And basic Venu
The real Pokemon TCG has managed to make Stage 2s good. They have the Rare Candy that allows you to evolve straight from basic to T2, TM Evolution that allows you to evolve 2 bench Pokemon with Pokemon from your deck in place of your attack, and Stage 1s with useful abilities like Kirlia and Drakloak that give you instant value while you build up to Stage 2. The game is way more fun and interesting now compared to the era of slamming V pokemon.
I want to see him rate soooo many more cards. I'll be waiting for a part 2 and subscribing 😊
1:02:22 0.875 is an adjusted value which does account for irrelevant added energy. (Anything above 3 is considered irrelevant.) The non adjusted expected value is 1.
whoops, ty!
I would not say Pigeot EX is bad, it is probably one of the best stage 2 EX because of the fact that you can pair it with anything. It should be judged based on the options of low investment pokemons in the format.
Yooo bringing this banger series to Pokemon Pocket! Hope to see more of this if you can make it happen
I don't know why, but my ass thought you were going to go through EVERY SINGLE CARD. XD Honestly though, I want him to sit down with the Genetic Apex library, try to build a few decks, and then be exposed to Mythical Island and see how that changes the meta in his own head, and then how he'd build decks to combat it. I think that'd be really cool!
pidgeot ex isnt that bad. i've found it to be the perfect secondary mon in a starmie deck. lotta water mons rely on misty coin flips and lotta colorless either dont hit hard enough or die easily (or both) . starmie doesnt need lotta energy to get going, so as of the current speed of the game, i have just enough time to set pidgeot with 3 energy. i also play 2 potions and a single blue to make my already tanky ex mons stay alive long enough. its the best way to play both.... from experimenting on both. for now anyway. i dunno how good they will be in the future but i feel like i will probably be playing them seperately in the future (if they are still good ofc) TL:DR: pidgeot is a good boy >:(
"Grass doesn't have ramp"
*Serperior*
Liligant
@@emkalina This. Grass is arguably the type with the MOST ramps. Fire only has Moltres, which is good but relies on coinflips, and Fire has many Pokémon that discard energies on attacks so you NEED a good ramp. Water has Misty which is either 50/50 utterly broken or useless, and to a lesser extent, the new Vaporeon that can help you reassign energy when pivoting, Psychic has Gardevoir which is very good but is a stage 2, Fighting and Electric have Brock and Lt. Surge with Magneton, that only work on specific Pokémon, not their entire energy type. Meanwhile Grass has Liligant, a Stage 1 with reasonable HP and damage that feeds your bench while attacking, the new Exeggcute that feeds itself Grass from 1 Colorless (I've seen people even run it in non-Grass decks) and Serperior whose ability makes it a CRAZY good ramp for your whole team, on top of Grass types not having much if any "discard energy" attacks, so once they're ramped, they're ready to go for the long haul (and then there's Celebi EX...)
I know you couldn't do this easily in Snap, but it might be helpful to show them a quick solo battle to reinforce the rules and game flow
i think even if i do this i wouldnt show it, but maybe
I mean how can you expect this guy to get things right without any context. Mewtwo ex is a monster, because it works in tandem with Gardevoir; if he doesn't know about Gardevoir there is no way for him to tell
Woahhh I think somewhere in my heart I wanted this given how much I loved the Snap version of this (not just with BBD but all the guests) this was a very pleasant surprise!
24: He's not really wrong since he doesn't know that Gardevoir exists. Without extra energy support, many other Pokes can trample Mewtwo pretty easily.
Yep, Mewtwo really only is the top-meta monster he is because Gardevoir is an excellent support ramp that enables 150 damage EVERY TURN once it's setup.
There are some niche strategies that enables Druddigon atack. Like Druddigon X Greninja.
In the original physical TCG first they only had Trainer cards: thematically the trainer/player assisting the pokemon in some way. Later they wanted to add the once per turn rule to balance some of the Trainer cards and so the Supporter archetype was born, storywise implying a person from outside the fight situation showing up to aid you
KM: Because Grass doesn't have ramp.
Serperior: am I a joke to you?
Me: Bro, you're stage 2.
I mean Serperior ramp is similar to Gardevoir ramp, except Garde has the benefit of a tutor in Mythical Slab
@@breloommaster12 so does serperior in catterpie
Serperior being stage 2 is probably good balance for mons like Celebi and Dhelmise ngl
@@breloommaster12you also have the befit of concrete damage vs variance in your damage
serperior is the only card i would argue is broken. people say celebi is broken but it can break so many other grass mons. venusaur ex would probably be one of the best decks if it wasnt for celebi. its tanky with access to best heal card erika and has it's built in heal that would just need 2 energy to do it. celebi is the best beater but thats only because serperior breaks it. MAYBE gardevoir and misty could be ban worthy too but im guessing they are just gonna keep adding more mana cheats for everything. its gonna be like yugioh where its balanced around everything being crazy so it all becomes fair. i dont get why people are so mad about misty but when it comes to other decks with mana ramp they blame the beater instead of the ramp
19:20 could have clarified that you end your turn after your attack so its more draw a card next turn not draw a card
Stage 2 pokemon will take over the meta once (if) we get more card draw that does the opposite of Pokeball and instead draws you a stage 1 or a stage 2. Either that, or more card draw. Cuz at the end of the day, if you have all your evolutions, all you really need is energy. And cards like Golem would be hella busted.
If they added rare candy it would truly be over tbh
Back in the day it used to be just "Trainers" then they separated items and supporters in like 06/07 era. This games been so nostalgic for me! Great content man!
27:33 Im pretty sure "Energy zone" is an IRL game term for cards because you also have a stack of energy cards while playing (someone correct me if im wrong, its been a while since i played the IRL game)
46:11 I think you are exactly right about Pidgeot ex but I think being colorless and being usable in any deck makes it worth it. Guaranteed 80 + say even 1-2 Pokémon on bench by the time you use it. I think that 80-100-120-140 is solid risk
49:43 you shoulda ran a test game for him to explain plays and how a deck works. I think it would've helped his evaluation of cards and playability more too!
Been waiting for you to do this with PTCGP. Love these videos
Fun to see his assessments! Though I’d probably rather see the guest on the thumbnail, since they’re the whole point of the video, and at first glance it seemed like you’re the guest
The issue with this format is its judging cards in a vacuum, since the guest doesn't know of most cards available. Like if you showed him the Magikarp used for Gyarados EX with Leap Out, you'd have to say its a bad card since it cant even attack. But with added context, of course, it's actually very good. So I would say maybe do a different version where it's about rating decks as a whole perhaps, or where the person makes decks they think would be good trying to guess the meta, etc. I also think instead of explaining the game to them (which took ~10 minutes at the start plus the info sprinkled as the vid progressed), they should just complete all of the tutorial which takes about 20 mins. Overall nice vid though, cool concept!
yeah we talked about this at the end but i cut it for time lol
that's insane wizards of the coast made the first couple of sets for pokemontcg because the guy that draws pokemon liked MTG it's been like 20 years
14:17 He made a perfect analysis. Mythical slab renders Porygon at least usable, guaranteeing that extra card will be put in your hand. Worth putting two Porygon in your deck? Probably not, but as he said, it can have niche uses.
Mewtwo is chillwind yeti lmao that is such an apt descriptor. Early on chillwind yeti was so good in hearthstone in constructed and arena.
Nice. Love this format. And bbd is a legend.
Funny thing about Gyarados EX, my first assessment was it wouldn't be a good card for the same reason as the MTG champ. But low and behold, it is the most polarizing card in the game, you either beat it, or you don't. 140 seems to be a bad number because of the Mewtwo 150hp breakpoint, but its paired with Druddigon and Greninja that fixes its damage to OHKO. Its 180hp makes it impossible to get revenge killed with the current cards from full, except by Charizard ex with is extremely unlikely to be on bench, or still at full HP on the active slot.
You either have a card that can attack the bench and you win or you don’t and you lose 😩
@@asteriskonline3494 and druddigon fix charizard matchup, gyra deals 160 to it, because of charizard weak to water.
14:05
He’s exactly right actually. People are using porygon in psychic decks with mythic slab to hit their evolution pieces. It is absolutely a utility card just like he said, he knocked it out of the park on the first card. This dude definitely knows card games, I’m excited to see the rest of his insights!
its really bad to do that though - just run the slab lol
@@KMPocketit’s bad to know what card is on the top of your deck when using a card that pulls the top card of your deck if it’s the right card? I can’t really find the logic there, I’d love it if you could explain how that is bad.
@@KMPocketif you just use slab, you’re guessing. That seems objectively worse than knowing for sure what’s on top of your deck when using slab.
@@KMPocket you mean just run sygilyph lol
@@LiShuBen The logic is "the ability to know the top card of your deck is not worth an entire card in your limited 20 slots". If Porygon was a useful Pokemon in other ways, sure, but it isn't.
Love this video ❤ so interesting for some reason
Ok, how does discard cost work with mew if you use charizard's or mewtwo's move?
if you don't have any energy of the specified type attached, it will not discard
@KMPocket but can you still execute the move?
i hope they dont powercreep this game too quick i prefer the slower gameplay. theres enough quick games out there lmfao
Only think I want is a some ways to make dual type decks more viable and something to help search for stage 1s to make basic EX less dominant
We need melmetal in 1 of these but nice vid
I would so love to see you join the CGB/Rarran/Cimoooooooo multiverse!!
I'm quite curious to see what Porygon-2 and Porygon-Z end up being like, Porygon definitely sucks right now but the fact that we know it can evolve might turn it into a useful piece of the chain.
27:31 The only difference I can see as of yet with the energy wording is if your opponent copies the attack with Mew EX, they have to have the correct energy in their pile to benefit from it. Or at least I assume that would be the case, I've not actually encountered that scenario yet
Doesn't Grass has a ramp in Serpirior? Cause Serpirior doubles the Grass energy on Grass Pokemon.
It also has Lilligant which is like the bargain bin version of Gardevoir
I love this video format!
Youre right about the naming of “trainer” and “supporter” cards. Im of the opinion that either should be switched w the other. Trainers should specifically refer to character cards that can only be used once per turn. Supporter cards should refer to both item and trainer cards since both types of cards support the pokemon in play
My guess is that it's a holdover from very early Gen 1 TCG where the localisation wasn't as good, and they never changed it because it would cause confusion and invalidate old cards
Saying pidgeot ex is bad needs a bit of an adendum is bad in tournaments cause it gives your oponent a lot of control over its damage but in casual play is the definitive counter meta pick, it eats pikachu for breakfast, survives psy drive and 2 shots mewtwo, 2 shots celebi even with erika and potions(cause thier going to have serpirior in bench),
That said, guy has amazing personality and is obviously super smart, so please bring him back maybe for some games!
We’re so back
For such a cool concept of a video, the host is doing a horrible job of leading the guest into insightful conversation. I've seen this concept applied in other instances, and as a host, honestly the less you do and say, the better. Even the reactions to the Magic dude wjen he's doing his reasonings drives me crazy, just let the man speak without conditioning his thinking at every step of the way.
he cant see me lol
I definitely think it would have been interesting to show decks or core Pokémon combos and have him evaluate the core… like it’s impossible to evaluate mewtwo correctly without seeing gardevoir
Also I think arcanine ex / Moltres is better right now for consistency!
Watching the vid: the quizz like format is really fun and always surprises me how someone with no context can sometimes get things extremely right (that whole drud to lax stretching is specially impressive since poke players were kinda wrong on those before playing with it).
Reading the comments: "pidgeot and porygon are goated and you dumb" lol
Ps.: although in the macro u prolly right the overall power level pushed potion out of decks... in the previous meta 5 of the top 6 decks used potions, 2 to 3 of them double potions. In this meta, only arcazard uses one potion and pika use from 0 to 2 potions
i am faiiiirly confident im right about pidg and pory, but hey, who knows
I think this evaluation of your friend would have actually been more insightful if you explained the rules a bit further, especially not in the context of the single card but typing (same element, archetype or similar) since it's difficult to judge something on a base value without knowing its supporters or (pre-) evolutions
Yeah, except porygon and meow no low hp cards were shown. Then potions start to make sense
yeah its really hard to manage this! I tried to stick to big EX guys so that he knew the general role they had, because if I show a low hp mon or whatever, he wont know it turns into something big
Had to stop watching halfway through. Why didn't you spend the 5 minutes to show him an actual game?
Mewtwo shines mostly due to the combo with Gardevoir, alone is not that amazing although is good indeed
Showing crown rares instead of 4 diamonds versions is such an unnecessary flex
Pokemon Pocket cards are a lot harder to rate without context compared to Marvel Snap cards. With marvel snap, you just have cost, power and ability you can understand very well what it does. In Pokemon Pocket, there is also typing, which can matter a lot based on the current meta and there are also evolutions, which can make otherwise weak basics worth playing. The only cards that can be easily assessed are the trainer cards (both item and supporter). Maybe instead of just single Pokemon, you could try showing the whole evolution line?
Liked u before this but this made me sub! Please play some games with him too soon.
Mewtwo EX is dangerous because porygon only matters if there's a deck out win condition
That first 10 minutes could be its own tutorial video ngl
Nah, too chaotic. The guy had no idea how a turn works until the last 1/3 of the video
It is amazing hearing BBD's takes, you can tell why he's a tcg world champ! If you take into account the information he did and didn't have with his takes, he was SPOT on almost 100% of the time.
Mewtwo EX with no energy accel suppport? Ass ✅️
Porygon with some way to draw *valuable* cards? Good✅️ (This would be mythical slab, the indeed only way its good lol)
Moltres with no way to get other basics? Ass ✅️
Gyarados EX with no Misty? Underwhelming ✅️
Like it'll AMAZING how he completely read this AND a lot of the amost EXACT dynamics cards have with eachother, again from knowing NOTHING before today. My goodness. World champ difference!
36:10
With Hypno, Gengar is great. It’s just not the most consistent, similar to Celebi or Marowak. When it works, it’s great. It’s a slightly better Wigglytuff.
This is also a great counter to decks like Gyrados and Celebi, which are at the top of the meta. Celebi decks cannot play Erika, and Gyrados decks cannot play Misty while Gengar is in the active spot. However, you cannot let them set up on you, and if you do, you need your second Gengar getting ready and set up.
In total, the Gengar deck takes 6-7 turns to get both Gengars with 3 energies, and two Hypnos on the board. The Hypnos can flip a coin to swing sleep pendulum. If you have two, you can get two chances.
@@notadaytrader hypno is 25% chance to sleep. It does not consistent enough.
@ that’s why I run two. No Mew EX
i LOVE MTG. i hope they make a pocket version of it
I actually have a deck built around allowing druddigon to attack. Pretty sure the flareon has a higher kill count but it has happened.
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12:38 Skip intros and basic explanations
Good content
This was interesting, Pocket still kinda really new and this is gonna be wild in around a year
I play Live and Pocket and even I got confused. Should've told him the basic rules, in a neatly matter at the start
14:50 i think u should have told him if the card is from an evolution line or not
this is one of those things im trying to figure out how to iron out, because just knowing its from an evo line isnt really enough? its about if that evo line is good, and even if i tell him it evolves, he doesnt know what it turns into. maybe i have to show whole lines?
Porygon has a use now with mythical slab.
Still bad lol
You aren’t going to use porygon bc it isn’t more useful than any other card you could put in a psychic deck with only 20 deck slots
@@johnsmith2875 Na there are particular decks that want it. Some 3 stage evolution decks can benefit from the consistency increase from using porygon.
Is it possible for mew vs mew crashing the game by continuously using genome hacking?
Rate more cards!
27:00 the attack reads 10% chance to get nothing 30% chance to get 1 engery and play it 30% chance to get 2 and play them 10% to be on par with black lotus if black lotus played 3 lands from deck instead of giving 3 mana no you didn't need to explain the card I don't get how he thought that you need a mana dump to spend mana. even if charazard didn't exsit the attack would be good
So to explain why trainers and supporters are a thing and why they are what they are. All of this is from the physical card game where everything is a trainer card, there are just different classifications of the cards I.E. supporter/ item/ tool/ stadium, supporter cards is just a mechanic of the card that allows you to know how many a turn you can play. It is still a trainer card. The trainer card name has nothing to do with the fact that the cards are based on a character or not. Most likely there will be a supporter card in the future that does not put a character as its theme.
Great to see the series debut on the picket side of things. Snap and pocket are my main games, I'm still more invested on the snap side
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Fun video but you kept making faces before he could finish the answer and i see him noticing and second guessing himself 😭
They can't see each other.
he cant see me lol
Pidgeot isn't too bad tho.
the energy zone has a little meaning if im not mistaken. you can only take a specific type of energy of your energy zone if you chose your deck to generate that type of energy. for example, a dragonite deck generally has the water and electric energies in the energy zone. in the case of moltres ability it really dont make a difference but im almost positive that if you could use inferno dance in some way and you dont have fire energy in your deck than the attack would do literally nothing
weirdly no, if you dont run fire energy itll still give you fire energy, at least when you copy it with mew
@@juliogama2451 nope, old golem with only one fighting energy is splashable into any deck, because brock can fetch fighting energy even if you don't have fighting energy.
This is false