Rise of Skywalker is (hilariously) Bad
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- Опубліковано 21 гру 2019
- Star Wars Episode 9: The Rise of Skywalker is... really bad. At least to me, anyway. Today on Quinton Reviews, we discuss my personal experiences watching the film, and my thoughts about it. Let's jump right into the adventures of Kylo Ren, Rey, Finn, Poe, and definitely no one else.
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Someone pointed out that my interpretation of the scene in TLJ isnt quite right, and that it wasnt meant to say that Ben Solo was gone and beyond reach, but that Kylo just couldnt be redeemed exactly the way Anakin was. I think some part of me did want Ben back, for him to get back to the good side, but I felt that his redemption needed to have more weight since we saw him committing such heinous crimes constantly with every chance to stop. I would compare it to how IDW handled Megatron's redemption in their comics, an admittance of guilt alongside the will to be better.
I would have liked something like that was a lot more than just "ahhh I'm vaguely good again, gonna die so I cant go to jaaaaiiiilllll"
I do get that, but at the very least he did give his life to bring back the person who actually saved the day. Would have been kind of sucky to just dander off with his life after all that.
Quentin reviews why aren’t you making 12 hour reviews of this movie because we’re “objectively right” your suppose to hate people who liked it and harass the actors and make an hour video on why this line in the movie makes the movie worse. You see we’re the true fans because my favorite youtubers said so
I FUCKED MY BODY PILLOW OF MARK HAMIL
No, I agree. It's literally the easiest solution, because any genuine attempts at a proper redemption would be too complicated to resolve in 10 minutes. Also it allows them to pair Rey with Ben for a few seconds while still allowing the potential to ship with Finn. Really contrived.
As someone who feels very differently about the inevitability of ben solo's redemption I still agree it is very badly handled. Adam driver definitely sells it acting wise, but what they really should have done is taken all the materials from comics and books that show how fucked up and manipulated by Snoke (or haha secretly palpatine) and show that this character is a stand-in for an abused child not for a war criminal -- maybe by showing a marked contrast between him and the FO generals. And I'm ok with him having a life in exile or something as punishment too. I don't think this precludes him ending up with Rey (also FYI story group has confirmed Palpatine is NOT related to Anakin in any way), it's just not an easy or immediate journey. If that had been the focus of the story instead of all the other hilarious quests and reveals it would have made a politically and socially interesting movie on the nature of redemption/rehabilitation, that redemption != death, and that people can change after being abused. But yeah, other than some cool ben solo character acting moments, there is nothing redeeming about this movie.
I liked IDW Megatron a lot, although I think his turn was a bit sudden, I liked that he did actively try to be better.
Finn wins the award for being both the most interesting character conceptually but also being the most underused and mistreated character of the trilogy. Kill me.
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He should’ve been the main character
Finn is literally one of the worst characters. All he does is scream people's names, explode things, and go "hell yeah!" when said things explode.
@@lionheart7762 Go away
I really liked him screaming Rey, it was the only moment with a tiny sense of love and passion and urgency in this soulless movie. John Boyega did a good job.
Rey’s final line would’ve been better if she said “I’m just Rey.” Instead of “Rey Skywalker.” She would finally define herself as her own person considering she’s been struggling with her identity the entire movie
No it should have ended with rey saying "I'm Rey, Rey Sheev Solo." And then "I'm Han Solo" is the credits music.
this I agree with and I enjoyed the movie overall
That's not a bad idea.
On a more serious note it could have ended with her admitting she's Rey Palpatine, and shes determined to take that name back and change what it means. Instead they chose the safest, and lamest option.
TestAcct46 that’s good too! just SOMETHING original. they relied way too much on the past
"I'm Rey"
'Rey who?"
Rey turns to look at Leia and Luke, standing there. Feeling reassured by their assistance and companionship, she finally knows her true family.
"ReyRey Abrams"
ruh-roh
ReyD Shadow Legends
😆 this is a new one. I like this one.
“Rey who?”
“Ray J, call me Ray Ray baybay!”
ReyRey Binks
I'm Rey
Rey who?
Reyd Shadow Legends
underrated comment
Jeez that made me choke with laughter. 🤣🤣🤣
Rey con air buds
Thievery isn't cool.
@@alexgall8785 The joke is so obvious that I honestly wouldn’t doubt multiple people thinking of it on their own. It’s not necessarily stealing.
I'm still upset after Kylo revived Rey that Rey didn't revive Kylo then die, then Kylo revives Rey again and then dies again, and so on. Would've been a perfect stupid ending to a largely stupid film.
I did think why she didn't revive him again, but I assumed she didn't want to die herself from the exertion and I accepted that, because I preferred her to be the one to live if only one of them was going to.
@@MajaBiana The movie just decided that Kylo was Mega Dead instead of dead, and because of that he disappeared like Obi-Wan instead of Rey just laying there
I too love those moments in multiplayer games were your party is completely overwhelmed so you spend half the mission reviving each other
I’m just sad that they didn’t go all into the Romeo and Juliette bit
Walking out of the film, one of my friends theorized that Rey and Kylo should have just grabbed each other's ankles, and rolled out of there as a "death wheel" until someone could stabilize them both
Reylo became canon and then died.
And if she never exists, then Star Wars could've been alive. The franchise shall rest in peace.
Yeah when watching that scene I was like, "this is definitely unnecessary pandering to the fanfic writers."
the reylo moment made me have like, a flight or fight response in the theater. Palpatine is technically anankins dad so like, Rey and Kylo are like cousins??? disgustang
The-Dark-Lord-Hussie they’re not related. The force created Anakin not Palpatine.
tomyfort 123 I think the idea is that Palpatine caused the Force to create Anakin. Then again it could also be Plaugis, or just the Force decided to do it, or Shmi had a drunken one night stand and completely forgot about it in the morning.
"What's your name?"
"Rey"
"Rey who?"
"Don't have one"
"Rey...solo"
And her last name in the Colin Trevorrow script? Solano.
I have a feeling that in the original version of solo that scene was supposed to be played off for laughs because it’s so ridiculous, but when Ron Howard got his awful geriatric hands on it he decided to make it sentimental.
The ending infuriated me. The whole movie is about Rey accepting who she was, then she does the exact opposite.
the whole trilogy is about making the original trilogy irrelevant
I think the opposite. The whole movie is about Rey accepting Rey being Rey ... like OK. Does she not have a mirror?
Your pp infuriates me.
Which only further highlights how horrible the writing is in this entire farce of a trilogy.
She should have said "Nothing, just Rey"
I used to think Star Wars being bought by Disney was a tragedy... now I realize, it's a comedy
Oh, don't get all Joker on us now.
I feel the same way from Marvel especially now that they own Fox it's kind of sad
Comedy is just tragedy left to rot.
At least they can't taint Pokemon.
I'm proud to be the 64th like on this comment.
"What is the core message of Star Wars?"
"Incest"
Just saw the movie, and that was my immediate reaction to the kissing scene : "Didn't we JUST learn that Rey is his great-aunt or something?''
Incest equals no wincest in the Disney fanatical star wars universe. In reality though...
I thought I saw someone show a comic where Palpatine had did some voodoo magic in Shmee, so he’s Anakin’s dad, too. So Reylo fans were rooting for... cousin-cest?
Are people cool with cousin-cest? Like the Royals in Europe seem to think brother sister is a no-no, but first cousins, totally cool.
@@skepticalrebekah The writers of the comic came out and said that that was not the intention of the comic because there's weird Force shit happening in context. A Dark Side vision or whatever, and that it's not a reliable narrator. So yeah, Rey and Ben aren't related.
Although I'm pretty sure they never said a word about this until after TROS came out, so it's entirely possible that that *was* the intent, and they had to bullshit their way out of it because JJ didn't realize what he had done.
@@skepticalrebekah They would be first cousins once removed, which means on average they share roughly half as much of their autosomal DNA as first cousins would.
Who are you?
"...I'm orange."
Orange who?
*looks off into the distance, and sees the headless Force ghost of Jar Jar Binks holding several bananas, and smiles*
"...Orange you glad I didn't say banana."
XD
I feel like Americans can only understand this joke because of their over pronunciation of the letter 'r'.
@@wyattpeek429 I wasn't aware sith lords had force ghosts
@@wyattpeek429 There's really good evidence that jar jar was originally intended to be a secret Sith lord and the titular "phantom menace." If you look up the theory, the video evidence is, 1, how high jar jar can jump from a still position. Just as high as jedi and sith can.
2, How jar jar can "stumble" into a dangerous situation and still stay safe, no matter how clumsy he is, even during the war. He survives so easily because he utilizes the force. Like, he ducks out of the line of fire without even seeing that he's about to be shot. Also notice how he's impossibly clumsy during the entire 1st movie but then he never acts clumsy again (during the 2nd & 3rd movies.)
3, There's a famous clip of Lucas behind the scenes saying "Jar jar's the *key* to all this, if we get Jar jar working. 'Cause he's a funnier character than we've ever had in the movies." This theory posits that Lucas was setting up a big reveal at the end of the 2nd film, just like empire, even though the Vader being Luke's father twist wasn't set up until empire was in production.
4, The smoking gun imo to this theory is during a scene in the 1st prequel when padame is talking to quigon, and she's protesting against the group doing something on tatooine. As she says something like "well I don't agree" you can see jar jar's lips mouthing the exact same words. He's pulling a mind trick on her! This isn't just an actor accidentally mouthing a line along with another actor either. Since Jar jar is completely cgi, the artists that worked on that scene had to purposely make his mouth move along with those words. I think he was originally intended to have been instructed by palpatine to make sure the jedi don't find anakin so that the sith can take him for themselves.
More evidence exists like the obvious sabotage by Jar jar when he "accidentally drops" a wrench into an engine of Anakin's podracer. Also, jar jar is very close by when Sebulba breaks off a piece of anakin's podracer. Jar jar is flailing about and could easily be pulling off a covert mind trick to make Sebulba sabotage the podracer.
I think jar jar was originally planned to be a "lovable" goofball, so that during the 2nd movie, a big reveal would happen towards the end that jar jar was a sith lord who was pulling the strings and using a goofball exterior to throw people off the scent. He would basically replace the role of count dooku. Also, notice how Jar jar gives near complete power to palpatine in space Congress. That probably would be the same, too.
Tl;dr: Anyway, if you look this theory up, there's a substantial amount of evidence to support the Darth Jar Jar theory.
@@LilyoftheLake14 I have absolutely no stake in Star Wars, I have never seen any of it, and I love hearing people talk about jar jar theory
ben: *kisses rey*
rey: "What are you doing step bro?"
"you're the best big brother euhh... I could ever ask for!"
Thanks I hate it
It'd be funny if she was into him and he wasn't into her
There is no relation between them though blood or step sibling? So I dont understand this stupid incest criticism. The only criticism you need for being against Reylo is that its just plain dumb.
Nicholas Quinton She would be his adopted sister. Which is probably a plot in some adult website by now.
"First gay moment in a star wars film"
Bruh RD-2D and C-3PO have been here since the start. Smh.
Edit: I now realize that I've misspelled R2-D2 but I'm keeping it because it's too damn funny to change
RD-2D is my favorite star wars
@@alecchapman7976 RD-2D and obe one knobee really carried the whole franchise
Yes, RD-2D. R2-D2’s long lost gay brother.
RD 2D is my favourite Nintendo console
the unholy noise i made scared my dog
have a like
jj: you are in this movie, but I do not grant you the rank of main character.
Urahara! A lot of Bleach profile pics in the comments to this vid, did Quinton review Bleach ever?
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 If he did I haven't seen it.
sad thing is i have no idea who you’re referring to
Rose: *THIS IS UNFAIR!!!*
Yeah it could have been JJ being a hypocrite and giving Rose a minor role, but...what if it was the higher ups at Disney who were sucking up to the angry fans and giving Rose a minor role to avoid futher backlash despite JJ's wishes or...it could have been Rose's actress asking JJ for a minor role because she was still affected by the backlash she got from TLJ and didn't want anymore of it.
You don't know how much I was wishing that Rey had said "Starwars" as her surname. Mainly because it would have been the most hilarious thing that I could think of.
This is very funny.
"You can't kill hitler without becoming hitler" wait a minute...
Does that mean that when Hitler killed himself, he became... Super Hitler? ...my god.
@@eliasalbarracin5549 He noticed he was such a terrible human being...
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And decided no one can be more evil, so he killed himself to keep the title.
@@eliasalbarracin5549 the Hitler that Fliiiiiiieeeees!!!!
Imagine if she called herself Rey Solo, because, after all, she no longer has "a people."
AlexR2648 or said, “Rey. Just Rey”
If that happened I can just see so many people interpreting that as an implication that she married/forever bonded Kylo Ren
@@beneadie7147 That's brilliant and alot better solution that splits the deference between your parents are nobodies and the emperor's grandchild. Plus makes us remember the Rey who is just a goofy spunky young women wearing a rebel helmet.
@@beneadie7147 or "Bond, Rey Bond"
Or rey grevious cuz why the fuck not
Bringing Palpatine back was straight up jumping the shark
@AllegedPhiloI know that they brought him back in the EU.
But if I can remember correctly it was not supposed to be like the big twist of the story, and happened relatively short after Endor?
Idk, correct me if I am wrong 😕
@@voctur you are not wrong. it was only a couple of years after as a clone
I'm going to be real, that was the moment I got ready to be disappointed, because it was when I knew JJ was too much of a coward to properly explore what Kylo would be like as the main villain. Also, Dark Empire was terrible, and was similarly the moment the EU jumped the shark, so I wouldn't call it effective.
royaltimes
Having the last Skywalker die a Villain is a fucking terrible idea, and it makes the struggles and legacies of the previous Skywalkers Pointless...
Also, Ren isn’t intimidating at all, he is not main villain material
Now i imagine Zombie Palpatine doing a prequel flip over a shark
Fun fact: Carrie Fisher's body double in the rise of Skywalker was actually Fisher's real world daughter Billie Lorde. Still doesn't make it any less unsettling.
Really? Damn. In hindsight the trilogy should've been about Jaina Solo, played by Billie, defeating her brother Ben/Jacen with Finn as her deutaragonist/love interest and Luke as the mentor.
Wasn’t at the point where he talks abt the body double thing and didn’t know previously and thought u meant that Carrie Fisher’s daughter was who they used for Leia’s dead body under a sheet
Imagine playing your mother in a movie where your mother dies, that soon after she actually dies... that sounds awful, like Jesus christ imagine playing a body double for your mom's dead body, while she's actually dead.
That makes it considerably MORE unsettling, tbh.
I had no idea Billie Lorde is Carrie Fisher’s daughter. I mean in retrospect I’ve heard that, but the first time I saw Lorde I didn’t put it together.
Ahsoka: I am no Jedi
JJ Abrams: Yes you are
She was on the light side last we saw her at this point not a Jedi but she could be a force ghost
@@generalkinobi6215 She could not be a force ghost. the only ones who know of that specific technique are Qui-gon (incomplete), Obi, Anakin, luke, and Yoda. Since she was denying the whole being a Jedi thing, there is no way she would know of this technique. the same with a lot of the other voices Rey hears, they come out of nowhere.
Saying you can use the force because your blood is better that everyone else's is actually somthing the sith empire believed in the old republic games.
If they made this trilogy as they should make it, Rey finding a force balance would be an awesome thing because no jedi are perfect as no sith are also... but now everyhing is a mess and thats it.
Well I mean, it technically is in your blood soooo😂
That's how it works though. Midichlorians and all that.
I hate Midichlorians... At least JK Rowling didn't botch her universe until AFTER all the books were done.
@@slowmoe1686 why do you hate midichlorians? I'm a huge prequels fan and I don't understand the hate. This review makes a huge point about "jedi mysticism" and whatnot and I just can't wrap my head around it. A little insight would be appreciated.
I saw someone describe it as: ‘JJ tried to please everyone, and ended up pleasing no one.’ Which I think is pretty accurate
To be fair, RoS isn't really the film JJ wanted to make. If the rumors/leaks about this film's production are to be believed, then what happened was Disney kept asking JJ "Will this please everyone?", JJ kept saying no, and then Disney kept forcing him to change the film until it "pleased" as many people as possible. The best example of this is the main villain, since originally it was going to be the Son of Mortis until Disney forced JJ to change it to Palpatine .
JJ tried to please himself, and accidentally came all over the film before releasing it
@@trevordavis6830 I don't know if its worth giving the rumors and "leaks" any credence, given that almost every rumor and leak thats surrounded the trilogy since it was first announced has been categorically wrong. I actually like a lot of JJ's films, I'm not someone who hates his directing/writing style inherently, but he's been known to drop the ball on a lot of his earlier projects as well, so I don't know if it can be blamed on Disney entirely. I'm sure there were plenty of mandates and pushing from the execs, undeniably, but I don't know if its entirely fair to lay the blame solely on Disney.
I don't think he made a single effort to please me. In fact I'm pretty sure he made this entire film as a personal attack against me as a human being and secretly hates me and wants me to die.
Except Star Wars theory.
they may be ewoks as well - but introducing the love interests for Finn and Poe is also a clear way of avoiding the "problem" of John and Oscar's natural chemistry and the character's relationship, that could have been written as romantic instead...... like Oscar Isaac said: cowardly Disney Overlords 🤷🏼♂️
@Autzen Hallock That is beyond demonstrably untrue.
@Autzen Hallock true detective, the nice guys, both lethal weapon and rush hour tv shows, the avengers, the guardians of the galaxy, rogue one, to name some mainstream examples would like to tell you no, it hasnt dissappeared.
@Autzen Hallock This is... incredibly untrue? Most mainstream depictions of two men caring about each other are close male friendship. Like, 96%, minimum.
This is honestly the biggest reason I was upset about the “gay kiss” in Rise of Skywalker. The production team clearly knew what the fans wanted for a gay moment: they intentionally introduce two female romantic interests for both Poe and Finn because the actors have a natural chemistry that led fans want to see their characters together. So they tease a big gay moment, knowing we want thst, and write around it with a second long kiss between unnamed characters that can be edited out of foreign releases
Y’all are obsessed with homosexuality💀
The film succumbed to one of my least favorite trends of all time: the one where filmmakers/writers don't know how to create a new villain that is just as intriguing/menacing/interesting/iconic as one the franchise previously had, so they have to find a way to bring the old villain back and retcon his death so they can reuse him.
My personal canon finale to Star Wars is the part in Galactic Dance-Off from Star Wars Kinect where Palpatine walks out and starts cutting a rug to the tune of “Ghosts n’ Stuff”.
When he walks out he says “Must I do everything myself?”
Link for those who haven't experience this thing of beauty: ua-cam.com/video/84YXPw4htnQ/v-deo.html
Actually, this film is only canon with the star wars kinect continuity, there is no third film in the trilogy for the main timeline.
Ik its not what your referencing but I read "must I do everything myself" in counselor Vay Hek's voice
Johnny Bolanos
Thank you for bringing humor into this depressing moment of my life.
But nothing beats the Galactic dance off I'm Han Solo dance
“This group of dudes in all black standing around doing nothing like they’re trying to audition for organization XIII”
Lmao
Lol
At leat Organization XIII had a sense of fashion. These guys look like regets for background characters for Thor ragnarok.
Wow, you'd laugh at anything
@@jmarra07 douche
No-one clapped in my theatre just stone cold silence throughout.
Same
Mine too... but some people left
@@medalgear654 Mines was almost empty. (Just 3 other people)
Wait, do people clap in American theatres? We definitely don't in the UK.. but even if we did I wouldn't have clapped. Terrible film.
@@r-pupz7032 A lot of people clap here in Canada.
When the movie ended I told my wife that “Now that they’ve established the political fiction that anyone can be a Skywalker if they just ~believe~ Disney will never, ever stop making these movies” and a random lady burst out laughing. This is in my top ten moments of interacting with strangers
As an audience member, I was confused *how* we went back to the moisture farm that was burnt to the ground.
Moisture heals all burns.
Moisture is the essence of wetness, and wetness is the essence of beauty...
I watched Quinton's review twice, and then I saw the movie for myself.
This movie felt like somebody loaded a shotgun full of lightsabers, star destroyers and x-wings, and then fired it at my face.
So the makeup gun?
Exactly my experience. The chase sequence in the beginning where Poe hyper jumped the Millenium Falcon to half a dozen random places in the galaxy felt like this entire movie.
That's jj abrams for you. He actually thinks that is cool.
What’s your name?
Rey.
Rey who?
Rey Binks.
The most upsetting parts for me were firstly, Rey calling herself skywalker after Leia trying to drill into her for the entire film not to be afraid of who she is and secondly, they gave very dramatic deaths to C-3PO and Chewbacca but then they were just like “Nope, they’re actually alive because there can be no real sacrifice here”
How is that upsetting? Rey calling herself skywalker is her not being afraid of who she is. The whole point is that blood doesn't define a family. The Skywalkers were her family and she accepts the name.
Wasn’t like a huge part of TLJ the fact that rey didn’t come from an important lineage and that it wasn’t something that mattered? Doesn’t her being related to palpatine completely undermine that?
The retcons are strong in this one...
I want cry, this movie is so awful!
She uses Lightning like it’s a damned bloodline technique too. Yoda said we are luminous beings, but I guess it’s fine to be objectively more luminous than the other less important beings
Yes, they just used other words than Kenobi's "From a certain point of view", like, "Your parents weren't important, because they *chose* not to be important to protect you". It was rather disappointing.
TROS is a walk back from TLJ and retroactively makes TLJ better for actually trying to do something different other than regurgitate nostalgia and shit the bed.
Congratulations fans! You wanted TLJ to be erased and alas it's gone. Along with the franchises self respect.
Well, after _Solo_ and this film, I certainly learned one thing about the Star Wars Universe: If you don't have a surname or don't like the one you have, making one up on the spot or taking someone else's at a whim is perfectly acceptable.
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What an oddly specific thing to be critical about.
Tbf, that is kinda how we got real life surnames anyway
Name and claim it. hallelujah.
I’m a Rockefeller now give me money
“Rey who?”
“Rey Palpatine”
*Electrocutes old lady”
The film was like a dream, in the sense that its a loosely strung together story that doesn't really make any sense, and feels pointless when you look back at it.
"so then rey meditates and asks all the past jedi to speak to her" ...so not only harry potter, but avatar the last airbender
wait, there are other forms of media that aren't star wars and harry potter? what world are you living in? not the same one as quinton apparently
Well, it did happen in Harry Potter too...
Yikes.
@@pkmngamer1236 ...oh my god
Harry Potter is a disgrace. I usually don't feel remorse or regret about the stuff I consume... but I kinda feel that about this series. As a kid who never read any kind of international literature before, Harry Potter felt special. Now as an adult, I feel ashamed when I remember those days, lol such a bad story. And the crazy thing is, compared to JJ, Rian and Chris Terrio... JK Rowling feels like Dostoevsky out there
And Dune as well.
I think Disney’s so short on ideas, they are hell-bent on milking every last dollar out of the brands they own, in an attempt to avoid going bankrupt under their own financial weight
gentlemen. Disney going bankrupt? On what side of the universe is that happening?
Meriki Jiya No, what I mean is if they don’t keep milking franchises, they’ll go bankrupt from all the finances they spend yearly.
gentlemen. Oh I see. Yea they better hire some more Pixar creators because these new guys aren’t cutting it with the remakes.
Considering some people say they peaked with Avengers Endgame, I can see that.
Resurrects Palpatine but made the Knights of Ren die almost off-screen.
Almost everything about the Knights of Red was off-screen.
No joke, in my Christmas showing of it, when the ReyLo kiss happened, a guy behind us audibly groaned.
not to be that guy, but what type of groan?
that's annoying
I've got a friend that just got up and walked away when the kiss happened.
And I understand him.
@@isaac_759 A long, drawn-out 'ugggh' type groan.
@@BloodyAltima makes sense.
What if Rey replied ‘Palpatine’ to the lady at the end? Be truthful. Own it. Then make an effort to be better.
I agree with this. Like, is Skywalker a title now like Darth?
Solo would have made more sense if she was going to lie
Or Rey should’ve admitted to being the senate
@TheKnightofSwords did you just explain what they meant and not make it sound pretentious?
@TheKnightofSwords preeeetty sure it still matters that she could personally choose to recognize her family’s role and her connection to it, and might have to because of the politics that she was a massive part of like, by the end i feel like she’s not just some guy anymore
I also don’t care about this as in Star Wars specifically I care about this as in character writing
At the "Big Reveal" of Rey the reaction of the audience I was in laughed.
32:08 Yes! Finally someone else realizes this! I gave up on this trilogy after seeing Ep. VII because I saw this coming. JJ Abrams' setups are always disappointing because his reveals are predictable, uncreative, and meaningless to the story. Several times in Mission: Impossible 3, the camera ominously hangs on Lawrence Fishburn to suggest he is the mole in IMF, which instantly tells you that he's not. In Super 8, he hides what the alien looks like, but its appearance is meaningless to the story. And how stupid is Benedict Cumberbatch revealing himself as "Khan" in Star Trek: Into Darkness? Most of these reveals don't detract from the movie too much because they don't really matter. But nearly every mystery box and plot contrivance shown in Ep. VII had greater potential ramifications on the characters and storylines of the entire Star Wars franchise. I disliked Ep. VII on its on merit, and I also saw that it left no room for the sequels to do anything but focus on opening mystery boxes.
Abrams' "mystery box" formula leaves no room for surprises. Because we have known that Vader is Luke's father for nearly forty years, people forget that the identity of Luke's father was never presented as important or in question before the reveal in Ep. V. That's what made it a surprise! The idea that Vader murdered his father was just one of many motivations for Luke to fight Vader. If Ep. IV or V had Luke's origins be his motivation like Ep. VII (and I've heard VIII) does for Rey, learning the truth would not have been as surprising or satisfying.
This. Every single other possibility for the reveal of who Rey's parents were, except the one Johnson used, was predictable and boring AF.
And the Luke stuff in TLJ was kind of character assassination, but it was JJ's fault to make his disappearance this big deal that really can't be resolved in a meaningful way without either derailing Luke's character or introducing a shitton of boring ass deux ex machina.
Remember when the prequel trilogy was about preventing death? And Anakin went to his dad to learn how to stop it? And finally, remember when Kylo stopped death so he could kiss a girl and die?
No
Also - Rey is Palpatine's granddaughter, and Ben is his great-grandson...so it was all so he could KISS HIS AUNT.
Ew.
@@RabidDogma Real Habsburg hours.
@@RabidDogma Is it really confirmed that Palpatine created the Skywalkers (I hope not). And it still would not be his biological father.
Ironic
This is what happens when you decide to make a trilogy in an already existing story/universe without first settling on a plan, or scripts, or a director, or a story for all 3 movies ahead of time. This is winging it at the highest level.
I don't wringing it was the problem as much as the flip-flopping of visions for it was.
"winging it at the highest level" - welcome to the world of jj abrams. He's made a career out of doing this.
I think the biggest issue was not having a single writer working on all three films.
Who'd I choose? Lawrence Kasdan.
He'd have kept the trilogy going in a straight line and ended the Saga with aplomb.
Instead, you have a third film that tries to undo the second and shits the entire story down the drain.
@@PolarPhantom like I get why people didn't like the last jedi i really do But i have to ask would it be way more interesting to play with the hand they where dealt and build off that then try to awkwardly course correct? say what you will about the prequels but we did get a mini series and a pretty decent animated series out of the bits between AoTC and RoTS like people got bummed out by Empire but i feel like everyone retro-activity started to like it because it set the stage for Return (a inconsistent as that movie is)
"I'm Rey"
"Rey who?"
Rey is visably perplexed. The old lady realizes that Rey is alone, aka A single person. Aka solo.
"Rey Solo."
The sequel trilogy literally starts with Kylo Ren murdering a village. That's the beginning of the fucking text lmao
All the romantic kissy redemption shit is just so, so, so incongruous with the actual presentation of the character, and if it really was Abrams' intention all along he's an even bigger hack than most people realise
It just hit me that this is the last movie and that the whole franchise ended this badly
I'm struggling to think of something comforting to say to this. I think I'll just lie on the floor instead.
S Xxdd Don’t worry, nothing’s ever truly gone...
The franchise didn't end, only The Skywalker Saga did
I don't understand why it ended there... Rey would never know about this place there was no connection to the homestead
@@lovebunny2652 The Skywalker saga ended with Ep. 6.
The thing that makes me angry about Kylo’s redemption isn’t that it happened - his story couldn’t end properly otherwise - but that this movie in particular didn’t earn it. The first two films we see him struggling with the dark side, and in this one, up until the moment his mom dies he has no real qualms about anything. It not only feels like he’s a different character than the man we saw before, it cheapens the moment when he finally does become Ben again.
Also his death scene looks patently ridiculous. Did they have to make him fall back like a puppet with his strings cut? My sister laughed at that part too.
I agree with everything else in this review, btw. The sidelining of Rose’s character, the inclusion of new ones (who seemed only to exist to remind people that the two male leads are straight), the gay kiss that felt like more of an insult than anything else... And omg, Rey being a Palpatine. Just why? Why can’t she just be a talented Force user?? Ugh. There was so much wrong with this movie. I wanted to love it. I actually quite enjoyed the first two sequels. But this just left a bad taste in my mouth.
I completely agree with you. The movie also had this horrible rhythm of "Character X dies ... and then comes back in the very next scene!" Chewie's dead but he's not, Rey dies but no she doesn't, Ben dies but then he doesn't until he finally does, 3PO has his memory wiped but there was no consequence since he gets it back...
Kylo Ren's character took the hardest hit, because he's consistently been the best of the new cast. Last Jedi set him up for a really interesting narrative. But wow he doesn't have any development here. The film has absolutely no moral dilemmas. The way he tries to tempt Rey again to the Dark side is little beyond "your grandfather and my grandfather ... ". It's very disconnected from and actually clashes entirely with his angle in Last Jedi.
@@bardw.1542
I feel like X dies but didn't is due to two things.
1. It didn't go over well with the test audience and honestly this film/trilogy didn't earn the emotional impact of those death scenes.
2. They realized with no one from this cast willing to return except for brief cameos they'll need to keep some favorites around to try and rope in old fans.
I'm currently waiting to see how they're gonna revive Ashoka once they realize what a marketable fan favorite she is that could be a potential figure in a future movie that isn't a prequel to the sequel.
I was surprised at how little the characters talked with one another. There was just no theming.
YESS. Kylo has already decided to go his own path beyond the sith and the jedi in tlj. And on top of that, a whole year has passed in tros. Surely in tros, his redemption could have already been set in motion during that year. No. For some reason he has put his helmet back together and forgotten his plans for a new order. Not only is this painfully uninteresting, this feels like such a step back for his usually steadfast character. Someone who goes after what he wants with little urge to look back. Him going back to the dark was such a detriment to his development! Ugh....
Yeah this movie was very "no homo" and it was infuriating tbh. Poe and Finn didn't have to end up together or anything imo, they could've just kept their adorable friendship and great 'will they or won't they' chemistry, and I would've been completely satisfied.
Poe and Finn should have had the kiss.
Prove me wrong....
H R You’re asking for the impossible.
Lmao 😂
Disney wanted the sweet, sweet chinese money. So you can't have gays in it.
i don’t think a single romantic thread in this trilogy worked to the point of ever having a kiss
When I heard about all these people freaking out over the ~gay kiss~ I was praying to every god it was between Finn and Poe... Was sooo disappointed when it was a 2 second bs kiss between some characters who had literally nothing to do with the film :/
I couldn’t help myself.... I laughed hysterically when Rey and Kylo kissed... and was loudly “sshhhhhhuuuusshhhhed” by several audience members who probably wanted to kick my ass for ruining such a “beautiful moment.”
The Mystery Box schtick is why I think JJ Abrams is a hack writer and he ruins everything it touches. It's always seemed to me to be a convenient excuse for him to handwave away his absolute desire to avoid explaining anything in his work.
Also, I legit found the Knights of Ren about as menacing as the Beagle Boys from Ducktales.
I'm going to be honest, I forgot all about those dudes.
@@Hamun002 Same.
If they had anyone else besides JJ make this movie (like they were originally going to do), this could’ve been much better. I think other writers would be much more willing to roll with what TLJ offered. Plus, JJ’s history with handling franchises is spotty at best. Cloverfield is probably the best example.
Also, there are actually Beagle Boys more intimidating than the Knights of Ren if you’ve seen the reboot.
Perfect example: "Rey I need to tell you something"
We never find out what Finn wanted to tell her.
I think you’re doing a disservice to the beagle boys. They invaded Scrooge’s dreams!
So wait... if Palpatine was controlling Snoke... and Snoke could over power Rey... then why couldn't Palpatine overpower Rey?
You are terrible
because she used the avatar state
because shut up
but seriously it was becuse they forgot that happened and making palpatine the big bad was a hasty retcon anyway
He did use ultra force lightning
But Rey is a sky walker so she wins I guess.
If he really secretly wanted her alive, then why did he try to kill her in ep 8? Then why did he tell kylo to kill her too? Nothing makes sense
"the instant gratification of knowing that nazis hate you"
I'm African and Jewish, I'm 110% sure Nazis hate me regardless of what i do lol.
As a The Last Jedi fan, it was absolutely painful to see every decision and theme that Rian made in his movie, being destroyed in this one.
Every plot point that TLJ left open was absolutely exploded in this one.
A small rebellion who needs to find more allies? Nah
Rey nobodie who needs to learn that she is also important even if she is not a Skywalker? Nah
Supreme Leader Kylo Ren? Nah
Ghost Luke who will teach Rey how she can improve the Jedi Order? Nope
A version of Poe Dameron who is not only a pilot but also a leader who cares about his troops? Nope
Finn and Rose? No
A galaxy inspired by Luke's legend? No
EVERY plot point was ignored. And I'm fine with changing things that were already stabilised, but there's a difference between giving answers that I don't like for those questions, and ignoring those questions
The movie ignored those questions
Didn't Rian do that first in TLJ.
The last two movies is just two directors flinging shit at each other and getting some on the franchise.
@@sanscudo1716 like I said, there's a difference between giving the audience an answer they might not like and change the fucking question
Rian didn't ignore nothing that was in TFA
But JJ changed things Rian left
@@o...o4144 Yeah but Ryan's answers made no sense. Like at all.
@@o...o4144 I'd argue that both directors did a bad job in their own ways. If it were only one director's vision that was used for the whole trilogy, whether it be Abrams' or Johnson's, the movies would've turned out a lot better.
Heck, why was there no coordination between the two? Because Disney thought that the franchise would make money no matter what bad decisions they'd make? Likely, and they would have proven their point.
@@darthlmr7990 which answers didn't make sense?
Rey Nobody makes absolute sense withing her arc. Killing Snoke so an actual interesting villain can be the focus in the third movie (ooofff) makes sense. Luke being isolated because he doesn't want to train more Jedi to start a war makes absolute sense for me
Don't ask questions Quinton, just CONSUME product and get excited for next product
LOYALTY TO THE BRAND. ALL HAIL THE MOUSE.
@@bones642 GOTTA CLAP FOR IT GOTTA CLAP FOR IT!!!!!
thats what he usually does
xtfragnarox Thinking a movie people hate is good ≠ being a mindless consumer of corporate media
Glass Moon I can try
Huh, I never really realized it but yeah, Abrams basically treated the sequels like he did Lost. Which is a shame, because like every Lost fan would say it was good until the questions had to start being answered.
When Quinton was wrapping up near the end, I had that same thought. and I guess it makes sense considering ALOT of JJ's most prominent work, are TV series, where you constantly have to dangle something of importance to keep the audience watching. But it seems like JJ's never learned the importance of knowing the actual end BEFORE creating a mystery about it.
Honestly so many writers/directors are doing this now and it pisses me off.
That's Abrams in a nutshell, he is fantastic for starting a world, he's generally atrocious at finishing or continuing it. Fringe is probably the best example of his work actually being good because he stopped being a writer in Season 2.
Lost should have ended at season 3
I would love to see how hilariously shit a J.J. Abrams Agatha Christie adaption would be
"There were no possible answers to these questions that didnt sound inherently stupid when said outloud"
Damn I'm keeping that in mind next time I write anything cause that's actually a good way of thinking about setting up a potential twist in a story..
The difference between the knights of Ren and Organization XIII is that the Organization XIII was actually comprised of “characters” and had stakes in the plot as opposed to the cardboard cutouts to put in a trailer that the knights were
The final scene was Luke and Leia disowning Ben and taking Rey as a replacement child. Yep.
don't cocktease me like this, i want that ending scene so badly instead
@@kropotkinnie it was the final scene...Luke and Leia as force ghosts smiling on as Rey lies about her identity so the movies name sorta, kinda, not quite works
Yep
chrisscott2009 o come on that was the adoption scene😩😩
Basically from what I've understood about the reaction to this film, is that by attempting to please the hard-core fans, he ended up pissing everyone off even more.
When you try to make everyone happy, no one is happy.
They didn't try to please them though, it was just a bunch of low effort pandering.
Dubbz I yea, that's what trying to please is.
@@jeanv2246 Not really, If they were truly trying to please them they'd have made an actual effort.
If an 86% audience score is "pissing everyone off" then numbers be wildin
I think Lucas’ intent with midichlorians was that they were still everywhere and represented the microbiology of the universe as a means of permeating the force. The bloodline wasn’t so much about having midichlorians as much as an ability to control and interact with them. It would have worked better if he hadn’t written it anikan as being specifically ‘full of midichlorians’ but I think the idea of it being an everpresent quality to the universe that can be manipulated was still retained in the prequels, rather than becoming something only accessible to a specific bloodline. Yoda wasn’t related to Luke afterall and it seemed to be more of a gift of control that had to be learned and mastered rather than an inherent ability, which is where the disney movies really screwed things up further.
agreed
So we just gonna ignore the fact that in the prequels the jedi were training a lot of force sensitive children that didnt come from some “royal” family and were just kids born with the force?
I kniw right? People need to understand that the medichlorians are not the force but rather mitochondria that everyone has in the Star Wars Universe. People don't have the force becuase they have medichlorians, but rather people have a high medichlorian count because they have the force which amplifies their senses and everything in their body.
I mean anakin wouldnt exactly be “royal” blood either. But the entire thing is that these arent random children but children the jedi knew about and they have a map of where they are. The point isnt that the blood is “royal” (which i dont think quinton said) but that the ability to use the force is entirely predetermined by who your parents are. The coolness factor of the force was that supposedly anybody can use it and that very little is known about it, but now its really just about being special by association of someone who can use the force.
Yeah there are a few massive statements made in this video that aren't supported by the movies, specifically the prequels. The part about Vader's redemption not making sense is rife with this in this video.
Giga419 he didnt say it didnt make sense. He said its ruined at this point. In the ot we see vader as a unambiguous bad guy through his actions. As more and more media comes and we see home many people vaders needlessly killed his ultimate redemption being that he killed the ultimate bad guy feels less and less like a redemption for all the crimes hes committed. And with the revelation that sidious didnt die, his redemption especially doesnt feel like it makes up for all the crimes hes committed.
@@globalelite3042 I don't see a meaningful difference between saying the redemption 'doesn't make sense' and 'doesn't make up' for Vader's past actions. Since the directorial intention wasn't for the redemption to not mitigate the atrocities, his conclusion can be adequately described as 'not making sense'.
This movie downgraded the whole entire sequel trilogy. So this movie ranks lower than the Phantom Menace. And because of how bad this movie is in regards to the whole story, we didn't need the sequel trilogy.
I mean TFA and TLJ proved that
@@CynicallyObnoxious Yes, true. but as time passed I became ok with the last two movies existing in the saga. Can't say the same for TROS.
@@otilialampman7850 The hell with all of them Ill never recognize or own any of them lol RJ touches anything or even has a producing credit it will be meet with the same scorn
Yup. I'm now struggling with wanting to forget all of the trilogy or make a whole new ending. At least the second option is fun. I'm not good at forgetting.
@@DoveAlexa :)
Throwing in Power Ranger to be an implied love interest for Poe pissed me off so much. There is a lot of unnecessary romantic subtext in the movies in all but it felt like she was just there to shut down on people thinking Poe and Finn had romantic tension :/ also I fully agree about the lack of Rose and the bullshit “representation” of gay stuff through the .5 second kiss of unnamed ladies in the background. The movie was disappointing except for the new robot, Dio. He’s a cutie. Thats it.
OH HO, JOTARO!
(I'm sorry)
Poe and Finn were never supposed to be a couple. they're friends.
I didn't even realize Poe was a main character before this movie
@@whodatninja439 Well, with both the actors insisting that they played a romance in their head, and Oscar Isaac openly saying that he's disappointed the movie didn't go there, you have to admit people aren't crazy for seeing something there. I'm sure however, that "Poe and Finn were never supposed to be a couple, they're just friends" is what came from the disney overlords and had to be pushed in this movie, and maybe it was the original intention of the characters, but if you think about it, Poe was also supposed to die in TFA, and they rewrote it, it's never impossible to add something onto a character
How about when Finn had something to say to Rey, but he never actually said it in the entire movie?
It's like Game of Thrones. The final season ruined the rest of the series so much that I don't think I can ever re-watch it again
I thought the one thing I could give this movie was that it didn’t have incest but NO. I haven’t watched the prequels in a while so I forgot that tidbit that Palpatine was Anakin’s father. So basically out of all the places in the wide and exciting universe of Star Wars the trilogies all take place in Alabama because it’s very important to keep it in the family. Could you imagine what would happen if Star Wars had a strong developed character that could stand on their own without blood ties? That would be crazy
Tbf, Ahsoka.
Late reply, but Palpatine is not Anakin’s father.
The comic people use to site that is being misunderstood. An official SW writer already debunked it.
First he's actually wrong entirely, Palpatine isn't his father, but he's was most definitely his father figure since he was a little kid. His real one is dead and the first adult man in his life was his slave owner and was abusive, his first real actually good father figure was killed not too long after he rescued him from slaver, Qui-gon Gin, and later pretty much gave his life to keep him and everyone safe, and the next olde man in his life was actually not that much older than him, Obi-wan was pretty much still a student and a kid when he started training him and was his teacher but like I said he's still had too much to learn before he should have started training him. Many of the Jedi masters just treated him like another student and even belittled him for a large part of Anis life and he had to just take it, like they would call him useless trash and he had to go like "Yes master, your are right master, I have to improve myself, thank you master I will work hard to do better" and just how's. And Palpatine treated Ani life another person in a way, instead of treating him like the messiah like Qui-gon, or as a young little brother while still being young aswell and at the same time being a disciplining teacher during a war like Obi-wan. Palpatine actually treated him like he was an uncle to Ani and he showed he care allot for him (well he showed and acted) and Ani showed he cared for him and trusted him aswell, even telling him things he won't even tell his not brother.
He's not his father, Plagus was the is, and even if he was they still wouldn't be related by blood since he used the force so he would be like step parent.
Palpatine's plan:
-create the last order and the final order (with has an infite amount of death stars)
-use the first order to destroy the new republic and conquer the galaxy using snoke that is himself
-then introduce himself again to the galaxy and use the final order to conquer the galaxy he already conquered
Stonks
It sounds stupid when you type it out like that.
@@robokill387 because it is stupid and nonsensical
there are a lot of "???" before we come to "profit", with that plan
Part three Profit!
I like to think Poe's friend was Samus rather than a power ranger.
Don't degrad samus like that, please. She is at least a character.
I've been calling her 0.5 Suit Samus
She looks more like the rocketeer
@@jean-philippehaufroid6425 not in Other M she isn't.
nu Zu
I have actually now arrived at a place where TLJ is my favorite Star Wars Film.
Still not my favorite, but TROS definitely made me appreciate TLJ much more. TROS was so anti-TLJ, it was comically irritating.
Michael Stevens that is an extremely dark and terrifying place
@@DarranKern lol that was great :)
Thank you so much for saying what my biggest disgust of this new triology was. The fact that Finn at first was supposed to be with Rey and as a man of color in a predominantly suburban Caucasian area it made my heart smile. I was mad to see them throw that away but I did love Rose and accepted it. But to throw that away and to basically pull a Cartman from South Park and blaintly in my eyes say Black BELONG Together. Made me rage leave the theatre when i seen it. Your are the shit. Keep hope alive young brother.
"Kylo Ren and Rey make out at the end."
Shortest Make out session ever lol
Between family members at that
mark borishnikoff not trying to show off but I’ve had shorter
just look at him, he's definitely not an expert on that sort of thing.
@@richardlong6558 I agree, i just don't want to be a dick about it because i've never seen that guy guy before and i don't know what he's like.
@@jblue1622 How? Lol
The "Empress Palpatine" line made me cringe out of my skull.
That wasa line.
that's got a nice ring to it ngl
At first I thought he was saying “impress Palpatine”
All i could think of there was the “more female war criminals yas” meme
Okay, I have something to say with that gay kiss. I saw a headline about that a few hours before I went to see the movie, and I thought they were talking about Finn and Poe. I shipped StormPilot since the beginning, so I was really excited, and my friend who I was seeing it with agreed that we were about to get our wish. The entire movie, we were jokingly and excitedly pointing out all the romantic tension between them. At the very end, there was that moment where Finn and Poe started running towards each other as the camera panned in, and we were so excited. And they hugged. Not kissed. Hugged. They pulled back, and for a second I still had hope. And then it cut to the actual kiss. Quinton said it very well, in that we shouldn’t praise Hollywood until they make actual big strides in representation. If LGBTQ romances in these major mainstream franchises are going to be constantly relegated to split second displays of affection by unknown background characters, or will-they, won’t-they gay-baiting, I think I’m done with those franchises.
EDIT: Spelling
I'm so sorry you were disappointed like this. Personally I feel the same way. Like, I wasn't looking forward to it as much, but if they kissed we'd at least have SOMETHING real. Them not going there because of China is just cowardly and, probably worst of all, dull.
@@SephonDK at least marvel doesn't cower to China anymore. At least for thor 4? (I forgot which movie)
I'm still mad about that retcon.
TLJ: It's not important where you come from. It's not important who your parents were. It's important what you do.
TROS: WAIT SHUT UP IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT LET'S GET BACK TO HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS
It's one of the reasons I never liked the Yuuzhan Vong.
TRILOGY: The true threat to a good and peaceful existence is people - people just like us, who want personal power for its own sake, or to lord it over others, but not to help. There's nothing "other" about villainy; it comes from the same place as heroism, and it's something we have to watch for. Also, is it a coincidence that the Rebels come from many races and feature alien species whereas the Empire is all white male humans who, the one time they use alien assets, famously refer to them by saying "we don't need this scum?" Probably n...
EU: ACTUALLY THE TRUE THREAT TO A GOOD AND PEACEFUL EXISTENCE IS PAIN-WORSHIPPING ALIENS AND ACTUALLY PALPATINE WAS TRYING TO STOP THEM SO I BET YOU FEEL BAD ABOUT KILLING HIM NOW
Deep Legacy cuts right here.
Its not a retcon but it is also interesting how they couldn't do both with Finn, who was right there and set up to be force sensitive in TFA and also have Rey be connected to an evil lineage. But TLJ was so different and good and subverted expectations
Basically Harry Potter. You're a Jedi Rey.
crusader 1 Jocker
I am all the Jedi
"A Jedi is never late"
... Fuck, wrong franchise reference.
Rukia!
Stardust Nova wow, so right!
I don't think manipulating the Force to create a virgin birth is the same thing as conception, but then again, incest is not new to Star Wars lol
M I D I C H L O R I A N S
Personally, I feel like it would have been much better if Revenge of The Sith went all the way and stuck the reveal that Palpatine made Anakin into the movie, not a comic.
It would have revealed that Anakin wasn't the chosen one and that such dogmatic beliefs in a Messianic figure saving everyone are foolish.
I assume that was the original intent, but they shied away due to it feeling like an attack on Christianity.
Star Wars does this dumb shit where they make something happen in a movie and then create some over the top explanation for it, that isn't in a movie. Like L Jackson had a purple saber because he wanted his kids to be able to find him on the battlefield in Episode 2 when watching it, but the movie was like "WELLLL AKTUALLY he channels both the dark and the light in a unique fighting style that he'll go on to use to beat Palpatine". BUT WE WONT EVEN HINT ABOUT IT DURING HIS FIGHT WITH PALP IN THE MOVIES. It's really frustrating.
And with the constant canonizing and decanonizing I don't even know at all how to interpret certain scenes.
They basically 343 industries it before 343 even existed.
"The prequels are so badly made that they are unwatchable."
Well, the first one, yeah, but the two others are acceptable in hindsight when you consider the existence of the Clone War TV show.
It's not that the plot is bad, it's the execution that's terrible. The clone wars TV series is pretty much the same premise as the prequels but with a good execution, so they are good. It doesn't really change just how meme worthy the prequels are on a shot by shot basis.
@@shawnjavery The prequels being meme worthy just gives them more value.
No, he's right. The prequels are rubbish.
I love episode 3!
I’d rather pull each of my teeth out and eat them than watch attack of the clones, it’s worst than Phantom Menace, I got so bored warching attack of the clones that I had a heart attack because my body was physically unable to watch this piece of shit film
Darth Plagueis creates Anakin, right? That was literally the point of the story told at the bubble ballet thing. He even looks smugly at Anakin as he tells him that Plagueis could create life.
I feel not hate. I’m just sad and disappointed.
Joeru you shouldn’t expect anything if you don’t want to be disappointed
Laurent Brien why should we? We want good films not boring and i wont remember ep9 cause its shit
"So then Palpatine survives the explosion of the second Death Star, gets mechanical prosthetics, gets his dad, and then is killed by a Super Saiyan two seconds into the movie" = the only way I would have found The Rise Of Skywalker halfway decent.
Trunks would have made Rise great
Sounds to me like your expectations were subverted.
Can we just give Starwars to Dave Filoni already?
"What were we supposed to get from these movies"
Lets see, heroics are only supported by bloodlines; Power and leadership is divinely ordained; leaders are the only redeemable people even if they do warcrimes; incest is back, baby
JJ Abrahms is a monarchaist, i guess.
Jorph you should see what he did to my beloved Star Trek
🤣😂😅🙏🏾👏🏾
JJ Abrams is the son of two Hollywood producers and his giving his son a Spider-Man comic. Bloodlines are strong with this one
Dont you mean anmon?
Jorph also doesn’t matter what you do evil will come back and people will help it
At least theyre not using GOOD EU content like Thrawn to ruin this franchise further. Rebels did plenty to show that only Deus Ex Machinas are the only threat to Thrawn.
Well i love swtor/kotor/kotet content and i hate that they used it for the movie... i dont care about Thrawn...
That wasn t a deux ex machina because it was stablished but...it was pretty absurd in concept.
That strangely endears me to Ezra. "Hmmm how can I beat Thrawn? Dudes a genius and plans 100 steps ahead. Guess the only thing I can do is summon space whales and fucking WING IT BOI"
@@mr.aleximer What Kotor content was even in this film? Am I forgetting something?
BRO HOLD UP YOU JUST MADE ME REALIZE WHERE I KNEW OSCAR ISACCS FACE FROM!!!
F-k me, I know it’s unrelated but for the longest time since I saw TFA, I wondered where I seen his face before, and it was EX MACHINA.
Brahhhh I feel so stupid. Appreciate you unknowingly giving me a braingasm
12:27
That's exactly what I was like when I left the theater bathroom after Force Awakens. I sat through that whole long-ass movie, my bladder fit to burst from all the water I drank, and after the most soul cleansing pee I have ever had I realized that I watched something that was basically nothing. It wasn't even a good homage to A New Hope, it was a slave to it. It was like a checklist of Star Wars elements assembled into a movie. You have this whole wider galaxy to play in and your whole goal was to create Episode IV but bigger? Don't get me wrong, there are things I like. I like Finn, and until she was an absolute Mary Sue, I liked Rey. But I've spilled enough ink on that franchise, and no I did not watch the second or third movie in the new trilogy. After The Force Awakens I just... let go.
Realizing that sometimes... sometimes the things we love as kids, those big influential things... they don' get to grow up with us.
And... that's okay.
The prequels are better. Shakespeare, by comparison.
One point about Midichlorians (which suck) is not that they mean ONLY certain special people can use the force; but, people with high midi counts are more sensitive to it. Like some people who are born a musical prodigy, while most people will have to practice for years to play what a prodigy can just do like breathing.
It's like. If you have many midis, you have a good chance of giving that to your offspring.
While random people can be extremely force sensitive and therefore attract midichlorians.
I wonder why many fans (yes, I'm gatekeeping) don't understand this. Quinton's claim of "superior bloodlines" is bullshit. Anakin was the only one who was literally conceived by the Force and all the other Jedi didn't come from "special" families (several in the Expanded Universe did, but that was before it was established that Jedi couldn't have families). People who are very strong in the Force can come from non-Force-sensitive parents, just like a Force sensitive can have offspring that isn't strong in the Force.
I liked the scene in Dave Wolverton's book TCOPL where Luke explained to Prince Isolder that while not everyone can become a Jedi, everyone can serve the light side in their own way.
the rise of skywalker feels like a fanfic
Fanfic has love behind it, that's better than this movie
zoeWhy It feels like “The Cursed Child”
I’ve read plenty of fanfics better than TROS, but I get what you’re saying
This is an anti-fanfic.
All the sequel movies feels like so, with Rian and Abrams being conflicting co-writers
A huge desire of mine going into this was that Anakin (played by Hayden Christiansen) would make an appearance in this movie to finally close the circle on his character as represented in the prequels in a positive and strong way. I wanted Hayden to have a chance to play the character one last time in a way that would cleanse the stigma of the prequels from that character. The Last Jedi left a number of outs for such a thing. After seeing Yoda's ghost, it felt like a for sure thing to have Anakin in the final film. It kind of breaks my heart that they completely failed to do that. Not only that, though, but it breaks my heart that they failed to capitalize on the perfect setup Rian Johnson created. The final film had endless possibilities to be great thanks to what Johnson did for the franchise. Instead they shit the bed and slept in it and that's the movie we got.
But the prequels aren't popular so they ignored them. All the tiny cameos of different alien species and places in the end were from 4, 5 and 6...
@@MajaBiana Sadly yeah, but look at the bright side: at least they didnt brought back characters like Captain Rex, Ahsoka or even some battle droids just to kill them in a really anticlimatic way in favour of a new stupid character.
Btw Jar Jar Binks >>>>> Holdo and Rose
Bingo! Rian Johnson took Star Wars to the next level with TLJ and opened the door for endless possibilities. Then JJ comes in and shits all over it because he has to play everything safe(Khan in Star Trek).
Not using Anakin in this movie will go down as the biggest missed opportunity EVER.
As much as Rian made some very questionable decisions in the last jedi he set up kylo being the main villain and the stakes to be more drastic with a tiny resistance and a galaxy spanning first order. But fast forward a year and the only bit of the first order we see is 1 whole resurgent class battle cruiser? Where is the rest of the first order?
@@ShaneTumminello Rian didn't take Star Wars to the next level. He actively shit on it and then JJ came alone and did what JJ does best and fucked the dead corpse that was left behind. Rian and JJ are B movie hacks who have weaseled themselves in.
Having a scene where Kylo meets Anakin's force ghost and not recognizing him without his mask would have been so amazing. But Abrams only read the blurb of Campbell's works, so we got this. If you only read this film archetypically, it's not totally stupid, but damn do they fumble the execution.
When the film ended, I was the first guy out of the theater along with 2 other strangers. I practically sprinted out without my family, and I remember looking at the other two guys and we just all laughed and basically just said “what the fuck bro.” Honestly that little connection between me and those two strangers was the best thing to come from that film
A Star War written and directed as Ready Player One.
but without the decent color palet
Omg true that
Wow
Me at the beginning of this decade: #injjwetrust
Me at the end of this decade: JJ Abrams destroyed the star wars sequel trilogy
@Lady Wanderer JJ knew everything about TLJ before the movie even began shooting. He approved all of it. Any "fault" of Johnson's film could've been easily avoided if JJ just said no. You don't purposely start a dumpster fire and get mad when you can't put it out.
@Lady Wanderer he produced the fuckin film
@@jmorales09 JJ stated that changed directions after what was approved, catching him offguard
@Lady Wanderer no JJ did
Destryoed star wars as a whole
The only scene in the last 3 movies that made me feel some real emotion, and a painful loss. Was when Chewbacca finds out princess Leia died, and he just falls to his knees, yells and cry's out. That was such a powerful moment.
I like The Phantom Menace. I don’t get why people hate it so much.
JundArbiter well, there’s a few reasons. Lloyd is not a great child actor and his lines are cringeworthy. Secondly, the most important events happen by accident. Take the end battle, Annie “accidentally” ends up flying the ship out of the hangar, then “accidentally” ends up blowing up the big ship. And then we have Jar Jar, always in frame or in the background doing something “funny”. As someone who’s an old fart and old enough to have seen the original at the theatre, I believe that the best Star Wars are the first 3. ROTS is enjoyable but not great but better than Phantom Menace or Clones.
K Bizzy I was a kid when PM came out, and found Jar Jar funny. I still like him. But comedic characters are extremely subjective so I get that he could be hateable.
I never thought any of the dialogue was good so having another character having bad dialogue didn’t bother me either. I love Star Wars so obviously the dialogue being goofy never put me off.
I always thought the point was that Anakin wasn’t accidentally doing anything. He knew he was kind of going against QG’s wishes so he’s like “oh wait how do I fly this oh oops I booted this thing up let’s go f*** some dudes” with the only accident being the autopilot taking him into space.
It’s a combination of him being unusually skilled at piloting and unusually ignorant of Naboo ships and having knowledge of space flight but not any significant experience.
I gotta say the “accidentally” part is not a criticism I have ever heard that’s very interesting. I will say I think the sequels are much worse in that regard if anything.
Last jedi wasn't that bad but I hated that she survived. The point isn't "Marry Popins force pull", it's that they could have given her an impactful death. I was so upset knowing Carrie passed away.
100% prefer having the Luke-Leia scene at the end still intact though
It was that bad.
Carries death ruined the sequel trilogy imo
I will say that her just pulling the force out of her ass annoyed me, as well as them killing Ackbar
Yevta TBH I loved that move. She died before the movie came out so EVERYBODY thought there was gonna be a death scene. But they totally pulled the wool over everyone's eyes and kept her alive, it was a really sly move that I feel paid off
“The black people are replacements for Ewoks”- Quinton 2019
What a racistism!
Quintonain might act like a leftist, but *they* are a chud on the inside!
HAHAH omg why? haha
I would like this comment but let's keep it as 69
@@johnx8146 it must get all the likes. We must cancel Quintonain because it red pills diabeto the world is doomed
I remember walking out of the theater after episode 9 and having the thought "... that felt like fanfiction. I think I literally read this story on a fanfiction website." I haven't thought about the rise of skywalker since.
Reading the sequel trilogy as the desperate saga of re-introducing incest into the group of "the most important people in the universe" is my new favourite reading.