ANOTHER HOOK MONSTER!! + Layout comparison | Storm Super Nova
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2024
- The new Super Nova from Storm is the highly anticipated sequel to the Nova! Could this be the next hook monster? Out hooking the strongest ball in bowling... the PROTON PHYSIX??? Stay tuned to find out!
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Timestamps!!!
0:00 - Intro
1:16 - Super Nova vs Proton Physix
6:11 - Mass Bias Lesson!
9:05 - Question Time with Jungo!
9:19 - Super Nova Mass Bias Comparison
13:21 - Summary
16:09 - Downlane Reaction Comparison
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Comment: Do you like playing with layouts? Or do you let your pro shop do it all for you?
i like to think about them, but ultimately i always discuss with my PSO just to make sure im getting the ball reaction i want. i typically like a 5 inch PIN-PAP and 3 1/2 Pin Buffer (VLS). i bowl 2 handed no thumb so he converts it into 2LS for me. for bigger asyms and urethane im probably going to get them drilled slightly stronger just to really get them to read early in heavy oil on the fresh
I prefer bowling without any finger holes so that I can adjust the layout whenever I like
@@cursedchest6469 lol
Me personally I put my own layouts on my ball and then take it to my PSO.. I personally like to know what layout is on what ball so I can have an idea what I could go to next at a tournament or what I could start with.. also I’m a huge fan of putting the MB in my thumb but only on Black Widows.. every black widow I get I always put the MB in the thumb
I mess with them a little but I’ve got two layouts I use I try to keep it simple to take as many variables out as possible
I let my pro shop guy do all the work. (It's me, I'm the pro shop guy XD)
The boy Dakotah!
How do Ik what layout to get I bin bowling for a couple months and I wanna get a ball but don’t know what layout to get
@@daniellopezsoler1546 Having a pro shop operator watch you bowl and get your PAP checked helps. Once you have your PAP, try out some standard benchmark layouts and find what you like best. After that, you can play around with tweaking those layouts to best get your ball through the pins.
Fantastic video. Answered all the important questions for me. Especially interesting the change in the flare, first time I've seen anyone cover this aspect. Great work chaps. Thanks!
I never knew enough to tell them what layout I wanted. I really enjoyed the extra info about layouts in this video!!!
PSO takes good care of me. I tell him what I'm needing and next week I've got it ready to roll
I just purchased my first pin down ball the Infinite Physix after watching your review to pair up with my Dark Code and am excited to see the difference both on patterns and our local house shots in Vegas Leagues. Really enjoyed this review and getting a little more information to continue the learning process of bowling , thank you.
thanks for the mass bias explanation...another reason I love this channel...good teaching...thx!
Love the new ball info cut and design. Looks great good job.
great video, wish I hadnt bought my Super Nova last week now I would have had my ball drilled that way instead of the 30 degrees now
I just have 2 or 3 layouts I use regularly and stick with those. The coverstock dictates way more than the layout does, and I don't want to get stuck overthinking layout numbers when my physical execution and the ball cover mean way more.
I have a smooth layout, and a long and snappy layout. I'll tweak them if need be, but it's rare.
Great video keep up the good work
wow: GOOD STUFF. THANK YOU AGAIN !!!
Man does this ball hook! Thanks for the video. I was debating whether to get this or not.
I love testing my own layouts and seeing the reactions I get with it.
That is the number 1 reason I would want to work in a proshop. Well, that and helping people who have received terrible advice in balls and layouts from people.
Really liked this video! Interesting to see the difference between placing the mass bias in different spots. I have a MAX Results with the MB in the thumb. It is sharper off the spot, but it also has a shorter "hook" window if that makes sense.
As far as the question goes, I tell my pro shop what I want :)
The proshop guy explains everything to me before we proceed with the layout. And the Paddock is an amazing app well that explains layouts/different ball rolls/specs etc....
You're right about not taking it to league right away. Got my Super Nova two days before release: bowled 7 games at OOB finish (2000 grit Abralon) and it was too strong for me on a house shot. Took it up to 3000 Abralon, bowled 8 more games and it's so versatile. Drilled 55 x 4.5" x 40 , low rev stroker 13-14 mph.
Don't be afraid to adjust the surface or add polish over OOB.
I took a Raw Pearl from the press to league last week, shot 738. It can be done but I agree, it’s not the preferred method.
I use Storm’s VLS excel worksheet to get my layouts. I layout all of my balls, my pro shop guy double checks my lines and drills it. hasn’t let me down yet.
Cool video talk bowlling storm super nova bowling ball with nano technology in the bowling ball more strike and spare hitting power at time Jr pro shop
This is my go to on fresh to medium lanes. I say this because unlike most solids that burn up on drying out lanes this ball retains energy like crazy. Another reason it's my go to is once the lanes dry out too much you can immediately tell when it looses energy. It starts planing out on the back end and stops its continuous roll. That's when I switch to a different ball.
Definitely like finding when to use layouts for what im seeing. The MB in the thumb is money for getting down lane.
My PSO and I talk about what we are wanting the ball to do and he uses the storm VLS to get a layout based on my speed, pap, etc. and then he sends to me for approval before drilling. Just got the supernova and have about 15 games on it. This ball crushes and finishes really well.
I have two Gems: one I bought new and another I bought a few months later from another league bowler that didn't match up with it. I got it for a steal, and my PSO suggested I drill it to go longer/sharper than my first Gem.
good job boys
Is the difference because the mb is in the thumb or just because of the much higher drill angle? There was a lot made of that drill back when the track alias came out.
yes I layout myself to see what works best for my bowling style and different lane conditions. Also to know that you are getting the layout you asked for.
Great job as usual! My question is, I'm more of a spinner high axis rotation bowler due to lower bicep tendon surgery several years ago. I'm wondering if the MB in thumb would benefit me with a longer pin in the ball. I'm looking for a ball that will go pretty long on fresh and have the same reaction you got, even though your more under the ball than I am.My ball speed has dropped some due to age and the arm injury / repair. I still average in the low 200s to about 212 range, but don't have a strong A-symm ball for my leagues/ tournaments. Appreciate your opinion! Thanks, Mike R. I mostly have sym balls like IQ tour and Idol Pearl.
Ive been waiting for this with Jungo, “Jungo is Back” I’ve done both layouts examples 5-1/2x3-1/2x2-1/2, and I have two that MB, is drilled out. I use that one for tighter lines because it goes long then POP, hard to the pocket. This my friends is a great video. I love videos like this , numbers, with 2 diff balls for comparison.. the Best show for me
Thanks for the kind words Remington!
Nice video JR
I like playing with my mass bias how will pin placement effect is another area I would like to see a video on like out to the side of the ring finger for instance
What was the val angle on the super nova with the 30 degree angle?
I do like to create my own layouts.
i already have a couple balls, i let my pso handle the layouts. but i just got a nova and i just recently found my pap so im gonna talk to him about doing a 2LS layout on it. a layout to make it my tank
Jungo, can you tell me where are the Mass bias is in the proton physix that you use in this video? It was hard to see in your video. Thank you, Jim.
Let my pro shop guy
Can the drilling thru the MB be used for other balls or just this ball?
Jungo, what type thumb insert you use in your bowling balls. Enjoy your demos on the videos and your depication of how the bowling balls react. Thanks !
can anyone help me out with this, lets say im a two hander would it do the exact same thing if I drilled my ball the same way as the thumb hole on the mass bias without drilling a thumbhole?
Love the vids but for me this has to be the best because of the layout explanation.
I guess im gonna try the mass bias Drilled.
What is that thumb thing you have? Do you use that for every ball?
I discuss with my pso how I think I want to lay out and where I want to fit in arsenal and we fine tune layout with both of our knowledge.
Great content and informative. I'm wondering how mass bias position affects on 2-hand balls.
it still affects it, just differently because of the no thumb and therefor less weight and mass taken out, we'll see if we can do a video on this too!
Mixed I tell my pro shop guy the look I want from the ball then we discuss what’s gonna be beneficial and go from there but there are times I tell him to experiment and that always fun you never know what you’ll get
I liked the 70 degree one the best. 👌
Drilled a eternity pi with Mass bias in the thumb
My PSO laid out my asym, RST X1, which has the mb between the two spots you used. But thanks to this video I can discuss it with him in the future. If I get a weaker asym pearl like the RST X2, I think I'd ask for the mb to be a bit further away from the thumb to be a bit more controllable. I'm not one to hook the whole lane.
My X2 is 4.5x6x1.5 which puts the mass bias next to my thumb and it's the most controllable asym pearl I've ever had. All though it also has 300 games easily. Ball never wants to die. 🤣 Definitely my goat ball.
So I have a question? I have a absolute and the infinite physix and I was wondering will the super nova be a good addition to that arsenal?
Any recommendations on a good pro shop in the San Gabriel Valley area in So Cal? Would like a local shop to play with some different pitches and layouts.
not sure, don't know of anyone there
I do all the layouts for my equipment.
I threw this ball during a storm demo day yesterday. I'm a two handed bowler and was throwing from the left. It hit the pocket perfectly a majority of the time!
What do you think a good 2 ball storm arsenal would be for a rev dominant league bowler? I was thinking infinite physix and night road.
hmm honestly would suggest a pitch black and a cosmos!
I just got into bowling this year and picked up an infinite physix. Pro shop at JB bowling here In Vegas took good care of me. Would showing video of my throw and progression be helpful in my next ball? Type of ball and how it should be drilled?
yes!
Jungo is back!
If you get a 12lb Proton physix and a 12lb Super Nova it's basically the same ball with different colours according to Storm Bowling the 12lb and 13lb balls all have the same Asymmetrical and Symmetrical weight block inside.
very similar balls all around
Anytime I drill new shit I put the same layouts on it, but if I’m plugging a used ball, I try out different stuff. I’m curious to see if I can find something I like better.
Most ProShops just "tell me" what I want without really listening. I had to learn to draw out my ball to get what I want, and usually that was with the MB near the thumb.
what is the Storm VLS layout
Nice video you said Proton most hooking ball but in Altered Reality video you whent to like 50 and it kept hooking. I have both peices. Thanks 😊
I’m sorry I don’t think that the proton was running late, I dig the proton Jungo, but I’m digging the S.Nova also. I always do different layouts and love doing them..
Proton just a little later than the Nova but of course much earlier than most other balls on the market
Looks like the super nova gets down easy but not that much backend
Where to place MB when no thumb drilled (using Storm 2LS layout)? I'd like a little more length and backend with super nova
The mb will end up in the correct spot if you have the right pap and use the right 2LS layout. Should end up almost directly below the fingers
Hey fellas, liking the content, so much so I couldn’t resist joining as a kingpin. Looking for a bit of advice as struggling to put 3 games at league together. I recently got a pin down Nova and it worked well on the Fresh until it didn’t. I think it was carry down as it stopped making it back like it did earlier in the night but I went back to it later and worked again but the damage was done with a messed up second game.
So was thinking of going with a Proton or Reality Check or Super Nova (order of preference) Pin Up with the MB in the thumb. Which one do you think would work best is that situation ?
Alternatively, should I give my Pin up original Rubicon with MB out to the right a try first ?
Hey Matthew! Yes that makes a lot of sense that your nova behaved like that, the oil started to disappear from the front of the lane and got dragged to the back. So yes you’ll need to go to something more dynamic off the end of the pattern. Pin rubicon could work, with box finish and if that is too weak then yea I’d suggest a mb in thumb reality check. That ball has really nice continuation.
Thanks for the kind words!
-Jungo
I do all my layout but I don't have a quarter scale so I let my pro shop operator pba tour hall of famer Dave husted drill them and I ask to have some drilled pin under my middle finger because I love that layout on a IQ tour solid and my hyroad x.
As a two how would I get this ball drilled if I wanted a later hook? Since I don’t use a thumb hole
more control rounded hook would always be a pin down option I believe
use the same dual angle layouts for later hook so a large first angle. so something like 75x5x25
I am curious to see the exotic gem like
I always ask my pro shop guy about it everytime......
I give my layout to the proshop
I've let my pro shop guy (my husband lol) make these decisions buuuut after this video I'm going to try the mass bias in the thumb now just to see how it rolls for me. Question: will you be posting an X3 review soon?
yes to the X3!!
Jungo I saw you use vacu grip. Do you have any tricks on trimming the grip beautifully?😂 it has been struggling a lot to me
Haha yea angle the knife toward the hole a little bit and try and do one continuous motion
Awesome vid guys!
Wow... what an eye-opener! Definitely gonna talk to my pro shop guy about a new layout specifically for Asyms using the info you shared here. How about differences in pin-to-PAP distances for the next segment?
👍💯🎳
I love how these companies use "hook" as their marketing scheme. Brilliant and sad at the same time
I’m a new bowler just learning to hook was thinking of getting a higher performance ball for the fresh. Would you suggest this ball or something a little more tame and predictable like the phase 2. We bowl on a heavy house pattern.
Less hook is usually better for beginners when they’re looking to hook the ball.
I’m leaning towards a Phaze 2 now
When u get the chance do a review on the dv8 verge solid. I really love the verge line and want to get that ball but want to see a review on it before I go and grab it!
coming soon!!
@@jrproshop YESSS!!
I'm a "Mad" scientist. I'm still experimenting!
300 or so rev rate
14.5 speed on monitor
60x5x40
70x5x70
i’m no pro so house shots most things i bowl on so these are layouts
Surprised that the drill angle changed the ball reaction( a lot) as I was to believe that pin to PAP and Val angle controlled down lane motion and drill angle the Length can you explain why this is and your Proton would be a real Monster with MB in the Thumb
It’s a monster of a ball regardless of layout, but the ball with the MB in the thumb changes direction much harder
I'm a noob. I let my pro shop handle it. Since I'm a 2 hander, they suggest I stick with symmetrical cores.
Got a new ball, Helios. Current bag - Helios, Hyped, White Dot spare.
Question/Request (for anyone) - Storm Mix balls are a Urethane mixed coverstock, please help me understand what this does to a plastic/poly cover?
the mix are just hard urethane, still very low hook potential but much more durable than plastic/poly
@@jrproshop I promise when my second job income starts to inflow, you guys will get some 💵 😁
Jungo I need to ask you a Q bro’ to help out my bowling. Most of my Asy, I do the 3-1/2 or 2-1/2 sym balls their all the same 5x4x2 or 4x4x2 that’s it. But still need to ask a Q
Shoot! Email me for a long form Q. Jrproshop2017@gmail.com
Question: by putting the MB in the thumbhole, did you turn the Super Nova into a symmetric bowling? It seems as if you did and this begs the question: why get the ball? In other words, just get a symmetric ball instead. Thanks.
no its the opposite, it becomes more asymmetric as the differential raises
@@jrproshop My memory is fuzzy about this because the video I'm about to refer to I saw a couple of years ago, but it was a video from Mo Pinel. He talked about how a ball rolls and the difference between symmetric and asymmetrical bowling balls. I thought he said the MB migrated to the thumbhole on symmetrical equipment. I had that in mind when I wrote my comment. I guess I should have looked for it on UA-cam and watched it again before writing my comment. Have you ever seen it?
How is this ball drilled?
With a drill press.
So, does Simoo also gravitate towards MB in the thumb?
Yes exactly
Is there a maximum for those 2 angles
0 and 360 haha, but yea the happy zone is 25-75
How did the Proton compare to the MB thumb Nova??
Much closer together than the mb to the right
If you could only have the Super Nova or Proton PhysiX which would you choose?
proton
Proton or Gem?
I give the layouts I want to the my pro shop owner.
Jungo has the best videos and the best music!! Needs to stick to this soundtrack!
Yea i dont have the funds or the privilege to tinker with layouts lmao
I like to play with layouts but don't really have the disposable income to do too much playing.
I feel the companies need to stop searching for the biggest hooking ball, and try to focus on some other things
Um, these are SPI balls how about we use VLS .🤣 What is all this angle talk. Jk jk Storms videos on VLS layouts are gold. Clearly show what each measurement does. Makes so much more sense to my engineer brain.
I let my pro shop guy do what he thinks is best for me :p
There are women who run pro shops too 😉
noooo i dont like the new ball info cut away
Everyone says this ball that ball. If you’re good enough and know how to adjust then any ball is good… all this bulls*** is marketing. Especially if your a league player . Find one ball and get good with it. Changing balls all the time is killing you guys game. Stay woke
Another note for league players. One ball can easily last 2 league seasons with proper maintenance if not more
@@FskKaRiZMa yep, but if you are competitive, a 4-6 ball arsenal will be more than enough