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Things you DIDN’T KNOW about the URSA MINI PRO 12K!
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- Опубліковано 15 сер 2024
- The Ursa Mini Pro 12K is a very special camera, but I think Blackmagic should do a better job in communicating some of the very unique features that this camera has.
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As a filmmaker who spent the last month analyzing every single difference between the G2 and the 12K to decide which one to buy this year, I can't be more happy about this "review". I was actually falling for all the bad BlackMagic + community bad advertising about the 12K and I really needed an opinion from a person like you, whose work speaks by itself in my opinion, to take my final choice. Thank you Matteo and keep up the good work! (E salutoni dall'Italia! ^^)
if you need another bump, someone did a video about comparing the 12k to the alexa mini LF, and they are basically the same. There are some parts I'm preferring the 12k
ua-cam.com/video/KfbIt05sNxA/v-deo.html
@@AnimeZone247 I've just recovered your comment, thank you so much for the head up, I'm more than ever convinced to go for the 12K now!
I'm still leaning towards G2. Which one did you get?
This camera is insane, especially for $6k. I had a friend pay $5k just to get his Red Epic Helium upgraded to do 8K60, the fact that for a little more money you can get an entire camera that will do 12K60 and 8K120 is nuts! Also you'd think 12K footage would bog down your computer but BRAW is just so damn efficient you can edit off a MBP no prob.
Blackmagic camera and Apple's Macbook M2 chip are now best friends forever BFF's 😅😂
Blackmagic team is so 'our product speaks for itself', so laid back. :) Davinci Resolve 18.1 has a one click audio clean up, they are like yeah we added that. I am screaming that's a big deal!! lol
Totally! Voice isolation has been a game changer for me
I‘m always so impressed by this camera. 12k, 8k, 6k, 4k while giving so many options, the dr, the color science, the noise ratio BM‘s great interface and the price is also unbelievable
We picked up the 12K after watching your films - it's the best camera we've ever used. What a bargain for an incredible camera.
This is why I tune into your videos, because you actually know what you’re talking about with no bs. Blackmagic should give you a percentage. Now I’m going to check out the 12K.
Cined did a test on the Ursa 12K. They concluded that’s the Ursa 12K is “leading the pack for Blackmagic cameras for dynamic range”. Even though the G2 is advertised as 15 stop of DR.
They also found that shooting at higher resolutions = more DR. So 12K will have more DR than 8K which will have more DR than 4K.
Also almost no rolling shutter in 8K.
Just google the article.
Great video Matteo, one of my favorite UA-camrs on Blackmagic stuff since I brought my first Pocket 4K in beginning of 2019. The 12K continues to impress me but your footage in this video is reaalllly next level. Almost an overdosis of awesomeness at 7:02 with no rolling shutter and that image. Good job, thanks!!
What most people don't realize is that the vast majority of cameras that claim 14, 15 or even 16 stops of dynamic range actually only have 12 - 13 stops of real usable dynamic range. It really comes down to the roll-off that marks the visual differences. Arri is the only company that is actually honest about their cameras range. They indeed to have 14 stops of usable dynamic range and that is why the Pros swear by them and they dominate the industry. Blackmagic used to be pretty honest about this, claiming 13 stops of range on their cameras, but they bought into the game of advertising more range than is actually there.
Go over to CineD and take a look at their camera lab tests and you'll see that most cameras have nearly the same dynamic range. Just pick the camera that suits your needs and don't worry too much about the dynamic range, the greatest films of all time were shot with less than 8 stops, so we really have it better now than we have ever had it at any time is history. Go shoot something great.
Big facts over here🔥💯
I shot a Disney+ show recently at 3200 ISO on this camera to get 100fps 4K during night time scenes. Post preferred to add noise reduction rather than deal with flicker from lighting at lower frame rates (UK based). Turned out fine and there’s A LOT of it in the show!
Can you share what the show is and the scene you're referring to? Just wanted to check it out!
Wich show
You was on Rice?
@@alesko5 Welcome to Wrexham, any match at night from about episode 5
@@curlsoncamera my gosh! You just brought it altogether for me! Huge footy fan, growing love of filmmaking, and one of my favorite shows! My wife and I commented that it's maybe one of the best sport-related documentaries ever made. VERY cool. Thank you for sharing!
I have a few reasons why this hasn't taken off (I'm assuming this hasn't sold as many as BM has hoped, but that is all conjecture):
1) Not enough variety of codecs.
- Codecs will segment an owner/operator because certain production houses favor certain codecs over others. A production house who subcontracts their editors will need to stick to a codec that can work in all levels of workstations and NLE's. BRAW is too limited at this point. Even for Premiere Pro, it requires a plugin to work. BRAW has always been buggy for me in Premiere, so for projects where I am handing it off to an editor, I stick to Prores for safety.
2) This relates to point #1. The URSA 12K is in a broadcast ENG style body rather than a box style body. For the broadcast ENG form factor, it will be attracting the hybrid documentary, news, cinema crowd and as such it needs more codecs to satisfy that market (news and documentary require Long GOP as opposed to uncompressed). I strongly believe if this was in a box style camera, then the users of RED and Alexa would be taking a harder look at this camera. Form factor is all about personal feel. When someone likes the modularity and compact nature of a box style camera, then you cannot make them buy a more cumbersome body like an elongated broadcast ENG form factor, their already existing accessories wouldn't work as well. and the comfort and feel is different
At 4:43, the owner of FreeFly talked about what type of camera inspires him and he touches on this point: ua-cam.com/video/34iky-w8x_E/v-deo.html
For my own preference, my favorite form factor is the 6K Pro (but with a mirrorless lens mount instead of a DSLR, EF mount).
3) There could be a bit of RED user bias. RED users always have touted resolution as the main reason for choosing to go with RED. But when BM comes out with a much higher resolution (and higher frame rate) camera for less money, now it's a lot of hate against a higher resolution offering. If it was indeed about resolution, then the 12K would be a no brainer right? I even heard some hate from an FX9 owner/operator and he said the 12K was upscaling pixels and isn't a true 12K (uh?).
4) Media cards. I think sticking with internal CFAST was the nail in the coffin for the URSA 12K. Yes you can record to USB-C or to NVME U.2 via the SSD caddy add-on, but nothing beats a more compact setup using a robust internal media card. The reason is because when someone is investing in a cinema camera, they want to maximize their investment by being able to do a variety of shooting tasks such as mounting it on a drone or jib. Using an external option makes the camera more fragile and bulky which would make these tasks more difficult. CFAST is also limited to up to 1TB and is getting outdated, so to record at 12K internally, you would need to heavily invest in CFAST knowing that it isn't the best future option for a media card which potentially could be a wasted investment sooner rather than later (I'd rather have CFexpress B so I can use their 4TB cards).
These are all very valid points.
The fact they don't advertise the super16 6k mode is crazy to me, the idea that you can use vintage lenses and still have modern resolution is already an amazing feature on its own
Absolutely! I use the 12k with a Super 16mm Canon 8-64 Zoom and love it!
Wow thank you for taking the time to make this video. I thought this camera was just a one trick pony but you showed some great features. You captured wonderful footage too!
Couldn't agree more. I absolutely LOVE my 12K, and as you've said, 8K and the possibility of various framerates is the "crème de la crème" of this beast. Got after using the G2 in some sets and some of your videos. Thank you so much!
Matteo, Thank you, You are fantastic and a great review. Been shooting for over 40 years. Bought the 12k and will never look back. Been on many shoots with Arri and it's a great camera is you have an unlimited budget. If it wasn't for metadata 99.99% of these experts would not be able to tell the difference between Arri and the 12K Ursa.
Great points!!
I love my 12K, also use it in 8K most of he time. Agree with the contrast capabitity of the sensor, it´s huge! Shot a Musicvideo in a Club with all black walls and mostly against harsh stage lights and moving lights, the rendering is so beautiful! For me it´s also a good shoulder cam, well balanced. Used it with Zeiss CP2 Lenses on PL, nice and compact! As someone mentioned in the coments, I also wish they upgrade the capability to use the Gyro data and at least one flavour of ProRes. In the TV- World there are alot of cutter who did not want to use BRAW. Since they appreciate it and decide to use it I convert over night and hand out ProResHQ or 4444 to the Productions. I keep the Raw Footage till the Show is aired for safety reasons.
Keep up the good Work!
Hey, may I ask how you are liking the zeiss cp2? I am late to the party and all these vintage glass are so expensive and cost litterally a house to buy lol.
@@cedricavi4514 Fortunaly my Lighting Technitian own the Lenses so it was not my expence. The look is very consistent throughout the different focal series. We only had a slight sharpness problem with the 15mm because we didn´t had the time to shim it correctly. The 35mm is near perfection and one of my favorites. The 50mm and 85mm also very good! Colors and contrast is near identical in all of them, I think thats the point of these series of Cinema Lenses. But I have to admit that without an assistant I prefer to use zooms like the sigma art line or the tokina ap-x ones. In case of sharpness they are comparable to the Zeiss but the character is different. The CP2s have a kinda smooth, luxury look where the zooms are more clinical. Don't know how to describe it better! In my case I have the zooms on my shelf for every day work and for some productions with proper budget I rent cinema lenses.
Liked the video, agree 100%. Bought your LUTS looking forward to using them. Keep up the good work!
Can’t agree with you more. My ursa g2 is so underrated for commercial and doc work. So easy to use and dynamic range in test is same as the Komodo :)
You have completely turned me around. I wasn’t a believer but I trust your opinion and expertise very much. 12k will def be my next A camera when I’m ready. But it will be awhile because I’m far from needing a new A camera.
Its the first blackmagic camera that spoke to me.
It had that instant "I didnt do anything and it already looks great" I had with other higher end cameras.
Quite agree.
Matteo, I hope, Blackmagic would see your video. I love my 12k and I love the advantages you describe here, that is so on the point. I shot the most in 8k and yes it feels like a global shutter camera in 8k, that is so awesome. If I shoot in 12k or 8k and there is some flickering and noising in the background, on my BM6k material deflickered the image is so extremely soft quite unusable to repair with the DVR Deflicker, but when I do the same things with the 12k or 8k material, nothing happens with the image, it is just deflickered and that is so a big difference. I tested also the 4.6G2 and it is the same result as for the BM6k, so did I told you: I love my 12k and yes, NATIVE ISO would be great, but my lenses have T1.5 or T1.3 and that is enough to film with ISO 800. For darker shoots I use my 6k G1. I hope instantly that BM would see this video.
Man, this is some gorgeous footage. I currently have the Pocket 6K and 6K Pro. I'd love to see Blackmagic create a camera that sits in-between the 6K and 12K, almost like an 8K Ursa Pocket-the portability of the Pocket cams with the features and build quality of the Ursa's that you highlighted in this vid. The Blackmagic image is just so easy to work with in post. And the menu system, by far, makes adjustments during production so much quicker.
I mean, the size of the Ursa body is not (only) for show, I dont think its possible to just have all the features of an Ursa in a Pocket body. If it was, BMD would have done it.
@@nordfresse for sure. I didn’t say it was doable. 😂 They’d definitely have to innovate, but that’s what I meant by a camera that sits in between the Pocket and the Ursa.
This camera has been top of my list for some time. I think it's about £10k once you factor in all the extras but that's a total bargain. Only thing I'm hoping is that by the time I get one later this year is that a G2 version comes out with dual ISO (and to be honest, without 12k - 8k 24-120p and 4k 240p would do me fine). Thanks for all the insights. Confirms everything I already feel about this camera (yes and at first I saw it as overkill until I woke up to all the amazing features it offers).
Thank you Matteo
I didn't know you could film in 4K full sensor on this camera! I thought you were forced to shoot in 12k in order to not have a crop
I really love the images out of this 12K. I think it's the best image from a BlackMagic camera!
I was the second unit DP on a feature shot on this camera. It was fun! It's light and has easy menus. During production, however, the sensor developed an issue by which it would burn in a vertical line across the image every now and then. The camera was repaired and is doing well now, though.
They definitely need to fix quality control issues!
I think that Ursa 12K is a very budget camera for high level project so the problem of low light is easily fixed because you save money for lights and other props. Although at the same time you have a great camere with a PL mount.
I don't worry so much about how it is promoted, I just think the 12K does everything well. It's the right camera for me. Here's are some of my 12K 60 FPS out-takes from a wedding in August, my special look is characterized by range, detail and color.
ua-cam.com/video/PpOEuyLrCJI/v-deo.html
I love BRAW. Love the whole ecosystem.
SOLD. Thank you so much for this excellent video. I have a 6K Pro and in the future will want to have a camera capable of shooting high speed action so the 8K rolling shutter bit was so helpful. 👌 Id love to see more videos on the Ursa Mini Pro in the future and why oh why havent Blackmagic made you their spokesman. Your expertise and down to earth videos trumps salesmanship anytime.
You make a very good point. Early on I saw footage of this camera on UA-cam with all it's compression and I saw how gorgeous the image is. Stunning. And the HUGE price drop... I can't figure it out, besides I'm a Canon guy but this was interesting for sure.
I shoot with Canon but I've seen a lot of footage from the URSA Mini 12 K - agree it has a beautiful and unique looking image
Just wondering what lenses your using?
Great video, thank you for the clear explanation. I'm thinking of upgrading from the pocket4k and this seems like a dream come true!
I think im gonna go for the 12k pro.... this will be my first film camera... thanks for the video, I really wanted something like this
Bro if you could some timestamps for more of your videos that would be greatly appreciated. Especially the opinion pieces. Otherwise, great video as usual bro. Just like you did with the 6k, you make me want to buy this camera as well. One day I will for sure have it.
I think they were so sure of the camera that they didn't need to mention in detail why it's better than the 4.6K. And honestly not a lot of people would care if it was an in-house sensor. But yeah, it's a great achievement to be doing that.
Spitting facts Matteo! It’s a workhorse of a tool. Blackmagic really need to fix their marketing when it came to Ursa 12K. I also think not shipping the camera out without the few major issues of ghost rec and some fix pattern noise at the beginning gave critics ammo to complain about it.
Honestly with the newer firmware updates it’s pretty much perfect as it can be.
What show?
I think my biggest issue about blackmagic is quality control. I have been using the 6k URSA pro this past year for a broadcast company I work for, and each camera has developed some type of minor issue. One was that the plug wouldn't power the camera battery did, another the screen had go bad and radomly showed lines, the eye piece went out for one, and the list goes on but at the end of the day it was still able to capture amazing footage. While I do love what blackmagic has done, I don't know if i'd call this future proof if this thing starts to slowly break on itself.
I bought my 12k because of your videos. Its been one year since We bought it
I own the 12K and it is an amazing camera. If they just didn't crop at 6K (maybe a firmware update in the future?) and made it possible to use gyro metadata like they do on the pocket cameras, this camera would be perfection, IMO.
It's strange that the gyro data is not supported because it was added to Broadcast G2 in August.
Keep promoting it Matteo. Thanks for shedding some light on the feature’s
Not cropping in when you go down to 8 and 4k is great. That bugs me about my Pocket 6K but I can't complain for the price of course. Great video!! thanks!!
It is my dream camera since it got released :) its so underrated, its insane. I even talked to a local dp and he was like, oh this camera is so bad, huge file sizes, why you need 12k blabla and its a flop, reason why they lowered the price to the g2 etc... and i was like he does not really know what he is talking about ! But the crappy market in my country does not allow me to afford it and at this paste maybe in 2-3 years, hell maybe the g2 of it will be released then... for now am still rocking my p6k and s5. 😅
I am sure you will make BMD make some sales with you video! I saw people going a lot to using kinefinity lately because of all the framerates options, body size and 15 stop of DR with a super active forum animated by the ceo and dev themselves.
I'm still in love with my original Mini Pro. One day I'd like to get either a 12k or a Broadcast G2, but for now I don't feel like the Ursa is holding me back at all
You know your stuff, great to watch a video of this quality with some real footage from actual productions. Damn I need to give this camera a try. Blackmagic was always my go-to for B/C next to an ARRI A.
Yeah only downside for me was no ProRes. Once funds are available I might get FX6 for those certain jobs since UK industry is super heavy with Sonys for event and some corporate coverage. Wouldn't call myself a DOP so the jobs where Ursa would truly be utilised are far between. Still love my 12K but need to get an Easyrig at some point. With the OOOM this bad boy is heavy AF.
Thanks!! BM should pay you for this !!
If you do green screen work this is a no brainer choice! Key in 8-12k matte, spill, reduce to 4444 4k so it’s easy to composite. Done.
Love all your videos,always very informative brother..
Im a fellow Blackmagic shooter 6kpro but your points always hit home for me 👍🏽👍🏽good stuff
I tried to explain this to many people… the URSA 12K isn’t about the 12K, it’s about the amazing rendering and colors.
For light up scenes … this might be a better camera than the ALEXA because it consume less power and more importantly BRAW !!
But the Alexa looks great in low light … which make me think about getting a Alexa classic, with all the downsides. I have a URSA G1 and I don’t end up using as much because I’m more often than not in low light settings
Problem with the Classic is that it needs two people to operate
On the 24th second, when you said, "This is the worst advertised camera by blackmagic." I'm like,"I want to buy it." Lol
haha, right!
how can i install the Viewfinder? Do i need the Top handle or can i do it without? if so, which accessoires are required?
i had the pleassure to shoot with the 12k last week and now i also want to buy it 😅, this cam is just amazing!
yep things i have notices its b-raw codec is Red 3.21 -4.33.1 build
renamed
sarebbe molto bello se facessi un video su come ti sposti con la tua attrezzatura, che zaino/case usi per la ursa e che zaino/case usi per la bmpcc6k
2:56 -- Plus, it's 14 HONEST spots... unlike RED who flat-out lies about how many stops they have. I own both cameras but nobody ever questions how RED gets their claims of DR and it's always shown to be wrong. I shot a video on the ocean with heavy shadows and bright, sunny waves... I had information in the shadows and the whites didn't clip. This camera is amazing.
Ciao Matteo! L'ho appena presa, ha veramente una pasta incredibile, sensore fantastico, l'ho presa insieme alla broadcast, per avere anche una 6k nel corpo e con le funzioni Ursa! Veramente grandissima camera! Sto scoprendo che in situazioni low light abbassare gli iso aiuta tanto, recuperando poi i black in post, ad avere un immagine più pulita! Se sei in Italia e ti serve una camera B chiama, vengo volentieri 😁
Hello Matteo! I just got it, it really has an incredible texture, fantastic sensor, I got it together with the broadcast, to also have a 6k in the body and with Ursa functions! Really huge sensor! I'm discovering that in low light situations lowering the ISO helps a lot, then recovering the black in post, to have a cleaner image! If you are in Italy and you need a room B call, I'll gladly come 😁
what lens do you recomend me to buy first I'm looking for a allround inema lens not too expensiv tho...
Hi Matteo. Love your informative videos. Any chance of a video looking at what gear you have attached to your Ursa 12k
if I'm going to buy a new camera I don't just rely on a sales blurb before I purchase .. I will go more in depth into the specs sheet anyway..
Grazie Matteo! Finalmente una recensione utile!
Great report, thank you. What lenses do you use?
What is the best setting, 8k or 12k?
Bro forget about what you sayin #nofront (thanks for that but), Dude your images are freaking amazing. Im just sitting here and im wondered by how amazing your shoots are. Props
I just bought one I’m tryna shoot music vids and documentaries.. Do you all think this the right camera .. and what is the best editing software for this camera ?
Thanks for sharing.
I think most people who use blackmagic (like me) know what the camera is capable of so your thumbnail is VERY clickbait AND IT WORKED ! I know that in order to come with topics its easy to go to the dark side....., but at theend of the day this isn't the same camera for a sony fan or canon fans. You are right when you said in the past that blackmagic is the best value for the money. Komodo is overkill for most people but they buy it anyways.
Thoughts on the new version of the 12k with olpf and updated ir filtering that improves far red colour response?
Improvements are always welcome. Never really had any issues with moire or ir pollution on mine tho
When you mentioned "the pocket" are you saying you film low light in the black magic pocket 6k pro?
Pocket 6k
I've always been intrigued by this sensor tech. I saw there was some moiré/aliasing issues when dropping down the resolution, originally. Do you know if they've fixed this? Have you noticed any issues like this?
Never noticed any of that. They actually mention that shooting in 8K will result in virtually no moire/aliasing. It’s written on the product page.
@@matteobertoli That's good to know, thanks. They said something about it on this Epic Light Media vid around 6:30 - ua-cam.com/video/6yN63GZO_yk/v-deo.html I just haven't seen much on this camera since. I guess they fixed it or these guys had a dodgy camera.
Hello friend, it's a great vide.. You record 12k and slow motion. What is the SSD ,you use to record. Please explain that to me. I'm grateful.
Thanks for your evaluation
Something I've been curious about lately is why Blackmagic implements crop when shooting in raw, at least for my Ursa Pro. I can shoot full sensor in any resolution with ProRes but I can't shoot full sensor b-raw in 4k, only 4.6k. I don't shoot raw often so I wasn't sure if this was a technical limitation they had to make, but if it was an intentional handicap that kinda would seem pretty foolish on their part, I know a lot of people like using b-raw but I don't necessarily need 4.6k yet, it seems like a weird catch twenty-two.
@@sem_skywalkerYeah I don't know. The 12k doesn't seem to have that problem but yet they take away the option of ProRes which probably isn't a problem for most people. I just wonder what the reasoning is for the limitation on the 4.6k's sensor.
What media do you use for shooting in 8k?
I have 2 unit 12k .. and is simply Amazing ..
Great video
An eye-opener... thank you :)
Agreed, awesome camera.. bad marketing! Is the 12K netflix approved? how about any other BM camera? thanks!
What lenses do you use
When shooting narrative projects what compression and resolution settings do you usually use?
Those shots were beautiful!
Great vid. How's the FPN? You mentioned dark detail, and with it being a different sensor I'd assume a different experience.
Thanks, Matteo! Do you use c-fast cards for ursa? If so what brand would you recommend?
Great video, I hope Black Magic brings out a Pocket 12K 🤣🤣
What's the light in use at 9:41?
Astera :)
This is a better ad for the camera than their site.
I would really trust to record more in Q5 instead of 12:1. ive done a lot of testing and it works great in most situations. Specially talking heads! You will save soooo much space my friend, and money. Storage is expensive.
It’s also 2023. You can get a 18tb drive for $300. Not that expensive
@@matteobertoli Just trying to be helpful man!, but of course, use whatever you are comfortable with! 😊
Hi Matteo, is it the EasyRig Minimax you're using in some of these shots? I have one now, but wasn't sure if something like the Ursa Mini was a bit too much weight once you have a relatively large lens, battery and the EVF. Thanks
Yep mini max. Works great with my Leica R. Heavier lenses not sure it’s gonna handle it
@@matteobertoli Thanks. The image from the 12K is stunning, but I'm not too sure it would fit into my workflow at the moment, but I keep watching videos and thinking 😀
Blackmagic should hire you to market this camera.
blackmagic doesn't need marketing. it's name and brand are great selling points on their own
Good video bro. Two thumbs up!!!
The only thing that scared me away was the price. Haha I know it's still a great price for what it offers, I'm just still too broke to afford it. But everything I've seen come out of this camera looks fantastic.
I think it was already a good deal for 10K. Now it’s 6K! Pretty crazy
@@matteobertoli Pretty Crazy indeed. I wish soon, I have $6K and more in my Pocket (pun intended) owning one.
Thank you for this! The 12k looks like a dream camera, and the image is 😍😍 do the Angelbird Cfast 2.0 cards work ok with 8k? Cheers!
Yeah 18:1 120p in 8k they can take it
Hey matteo , u are truly a BM evangelist. You are one of the reasons i feel very good about my Pocket 6k. What u think about the new ronin DJI 4d hype. U like that image ?
Thanks! Not sure what it is, sorry!
@@matteobertoli its a camera . There are a lot of yt videos about it. Take a look when u find some time.
Super! Thanks!
I find that the footage is very hard to use the qualifier tool on it. It has a hard time I think due to the strange noise that is made up of green, red, and blue blob dots.
Hi Matteo! Can I ask what glass you shot on the surf/beach vision at 6:35, those shots are simply stunning!
Thanks! Cooke Anamorphic
I deleted my previous comment because it was completely wrong, for some reason I remembered the 12K has a slightly smaller sensor than the G2, but it's the opposite.
According to cined, the rolling shutter in 12k is 15.7ms, which isn't bad for this resolution. at 4k/8k it's 7.8ms, compared to 7.6ms in 4.6k G2
Specs are worthless. There is something magical happening in that sensor that doesn’t happen on the G2. Contrast, deep shadows, motion rendering etc. This is sensor has a very bright future and I can’t wait to see it in the Pocket.
Love this video so much!!!
BMC cameras are cinema for a budget, that's awesome cameras
The Arri Alexa 35 actually does 16 stops dynamic range at SNR1. The Ursa mini pro 12k does 12 stops dynamic range at SNR1, which is not only far removed from the lofty marketing, but it is pretty average, and what you can also get out of a bmpcc6k, s5, s1h, bsh1, a7, a7sIII, fx9, fx6, g5, etc. You need to actually look for a „cine“ camera that is worse than 12 stops, there arent that many.
My issue with this camera is that 12k is not only data overkill but also cannot be resolved by any lens that is even remotely affordable to most people. So there is physically no difference in resolution between 12k and 8k, just more data. But if you only ever record in 8k, you never make use of more than half of the photo sites on the sensor, since it just skips them to record 8k BRAW from what I know. Compare that to another sensor of that size, the one of the Fujifilm X-H2, it uses a 1:1 pixel readout of ca. 33 MP to record 8k. I have not seen a BRAW recording of that camera yet, but in theory it should be good.
Those are good points. But higher spacial resolution can be quite useful for some VFX tasks, like tracking (2d and 3d), photogrammetry (using video), capturing background plates, etc. I agree that 12k and 8k is overkill for a lot of us (right now) - but it seems like those higher resolutions are becoming more useful in this world of mixed reality and VFX-centric workflows. :-)
@@shawnmiller8169 That was not my point tho, unlike many other "cinematographers", I am not at all saying that resolution does not matter. I think 8k footage looks great even on lower res screens. But if there are no lenses that can produce an image detailed enough for a 12k sensor, whats the point of building a 12k camera. Just yet. We will need much higher resolution than that in the future for vr content actually.
@@nordfresse I appreciate your point. However, even if you're capturing a 12k image with a lens that can only resolve 4k, the larger picture with more color data can still be useful for many (current) applications. For you, 12k may be data overkill because there aren't any lenses that can resolve that much detail - however, you might feel differently if you were doing texture and 3D scene extraction from video. 🙂