Great video - this is much easier said than done. Grateful indifference is an ideal that one can try to live up to, but under intense sorrow it can be very difficult to remain indifferent.
The buddhists, observing impermance,( the fleeting nature of one's thoughts, moments, pleasures) also advised indifference. But they seem to miss the grateful part. Love the stoics and your videos.
Very good analysis of stoicism. I read Marcus Aurelius Meditations when I was a teenager,, and although I don't consider myself a stoic the principle of "grateful indifference" is priceless in the world today.
Corey, Many people try to give a lecture or talk on Stoicism and they fall flat. I think you do a great job of teaching about this philosophy. I really like the term "grateful indifference" Stoicism is a practice, and it needs to be reinforced every day. So, it's good to have good philosophers out there speaking on the subject. Thank You
Nice work. I'm more familiar with Marcus Aurelius than w/ Epictetus. I remember researching the Stoics for a rhetoric paper in college, and falling in love with their worldview. It was one of the few outlooks that didn't clash with my atheism. It seemed entirely practical, a perfect balance of the analytical and the spiritual. I aspire to be a stoic, but I have a tendency to tilt at windmills. We are none of us perfect - which is in of itself another thing to be stoic about.
Incredible vid. You definitely don't get enough views in contrast to the quality of your videos. Subscribed, looking forward to more videos from you. As someone who studies physics and the natural law of the universe, I'd like to aspire to be a stoic one day. This is among my favorite and most respected of Greek philosophies and I find that many aspects of it still hold true today. I think that the world would be a far better place with more stoics.
i found your channel today through The Amazing Atheist, and from the 3 videos i've seen of yours, your content is much more thought provoking and less predictable and of higher quality than everything i've seen of TJ's
6:06 CORRECTION: Diogenes of Sinope ( the Cynic ) is credited with the first known use of the word "cosmopolitan". When he was asked where he came from, he replied, "I am a citizen of the world (cosmopolites)" -- Laertius, Lives of the Eminent Philosophers, Book VI Anyway, Stoicim can be considered a branch of Cynism ;)
Absolutely love Aurelius, Epictetus & Seneca. I recently watched the Shawshank Redemption again & Andy Dufresne struck me as an excellent example of a character with stoic traits.
Really enjoying the videos! I was just wondering if you could just shed some light on your views on Epicureanism. I may be either wrong in saying this or just missing something simple but why is it thought that Epicureanism and Stoicism are opposing schools of thoughts? Thank you and please keep the videos coming!
"GRATEFUL INDIFFERENCE": Your concept of the Indifference which is Grateful pretty much reminds me of Nietzsche's "amor fati" that he talked about in a great passage of the Gay Science, although I think he repudiated both the Stoics and the Epicureans on many accounts
And yet.... there are things not under your control, and things that are, but the large gray areas is things you can influence... the raising of a child, increasing charity, et cetera....
Please, do someone know the real name of Professoranton? Where does he live or work...I´m intrested in his speech about stoicism and want to know more about him...can someone help me? Thanks.
You make some good points However in our complex modern world, there are many things in our lives that we have at least partial control of. For example, if you invest in stocks and bonds you're partially in control of your finances. We live in a democratic society, so the policies made by our governments are partially in our control. I also like to argue that you have partial control of how people see you and think about you. So its difficult to find what aspects of our lives are unalterable.
Stoicism forgets that we are hedonistic creatures. We can be grateful for what we have but ultimately the body, the brain knows if our needs and wants are being met regardless of how much you tell yourself you should be happy. Ontological clarity and gratitude to dont make good bed fellows.
What is good? That is subjective. One may think slaughtering someone whose sexuality they deem wrong to be a _good_ deed. Perhaps the murderer was gratefully indifferent to the prevailing view in society regarding those whose exuality deviates from the norm, and to the legal rights of the victim. This is a dangerous philosophy.
sounds more like DECENT INDIFFERENCE. But grateful indifference is probably better. you life you laugh you cry you die, all men are mortal. Ecclesiates could have learned a thing or two from the stoics. Ya think?
Wow, 14 years, might as well go back to the time shortly before someone in the media decided to totally up and my life. I’ll make this brief, 14 years and someone finally understands what I meant when I said “No!” And to think 14 years ago, I knew nothing about unrestricted, fourth and fifth generation warfare, the subject of Thought Reform, Doxing and Gaslighting, how propaganda works, and what Edward Bernays called the engineering of consent. It’s all pretty Machiavellian, and to add to that after being put through the gauntlet, I’m a lot more colder and a lot more unsympathetic.
This is the one of the gold standard videos for Stoicism. And I love the background - the plants and all
"Grateful Indifference." Now I finally have a response for when my wife asks me, "How are you feeling?"
Zen Wolf I prefer ambivalent
Corey, you literally saved my life with this video. Thanks a million.
Thanks. All best to you.
Great video - this is much easier said than done. Grateful indifference is an ideal that one can try to live up to, but under intense sorrow it can be very difficult to remain indifferent.
Great video - marvellous primer on Stoicism. Just you and the pot-plants! No distracting animations etc. Thank you Sir.
The buddhists, observing impermance,( the fleeting nature of one's thoughts, moments, pleasures) also advised indifference. But they seem to miss the grateful part. Love the stoics and your videos.
Very good analysis of stoicism. I read Marcus Aurelius Meditations when I was a teenager,, and although I don't consider myself a stoic the principle of "grateful indifference" is priceless in the world today.
Corey, Many people try to give a lecture or talk on Stoicism and they fall flat. I think you do a great job of teaching about this philosophy. I really like the term "grateful indifference" Stoicism is a practice, and it needs to be reinforced every day. So, it's good to have good philosophers out there speaking on the subject. Thank You
Thanks. All best to you.
Nice work. I'm more familiar with Marcus Aurelius than w/ Epictetus. I remember researching the Stoics for a rhetoric paper in college, and falling in love with their worldview. It was one of the few outlooks that didn't clash with my atheism. It seemed entirely practical, a perfect balance of the analytical and the spiritual.
I aspire to be a stoic, but I have a tendency to tilt at windmills. We are none of us perfect - which is in of itself another thing to be stoic about.
Incredible vid. You definitely don't get enough views in contrast to the quality of your videos. Subscribed, looking forward to more videos from you.
As someone who studies physics and the natural law of the universe, I'd like to aspire to be a stoic one day. This is among my favorite and most respected of Greek philosophies and I find that many aspects of it still hold true today. I think that the world would be a far better place with more stoics.
i found your channel today through The Amazing Atheist, and from the 3 videos i've seen of yours, your content is much more thought provoking and less predictable and of higher quality than everything i've seen of TJ's
“Adapt what is useful, reject what is useless, and add what is specifically your own.” -Bruce lee
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6:06 CORRECTION:
Diogenes of Sinope ( the Cynic ) is credited with the first known use of the word "cosmopolitan". When he was asked where he came from, he replied, "I am a citizen of the world (cosmopolites)"
-- Laertius, Lives of the Eminent Philosophers, Book VI
Anyway, Stoicim can be considered a branch of Cynism ;)
My brilliant friend!
Hi Corey. Just watched a few of your videos. Really enjoyed them.
How is grateful indifference related to buddhist non-attatchment?
Hi. I really enjoy your videos. I hope you consider uploading more or start a podcast.
Thanks to you. Here is a list of some podcast material: www.last.fm/music/Corey+Anton/+tracks
Thanks. Bookmarked it. 🙌🏻
Absolutely love Aurelius, Epictetus & Seneca. I recently watched the Shawshank Redemption again & Andy Dufresne struck me as an excellent example of a character with stoic traits.
I agree. You should get more views. Thanks for posting.
you remind me so so much of a good friend of mine, even the way you talk! its craaaaazy///
i thought plato was open to women learning and joining the symposium (The Laws)
how do these teachings correspond to Buddhism?
I sense that they do somehow
I am easy to find
Another great vid.
Really enjoying the videos! I was just wondering if you could just shed some light on your views on Epicureanism. I may be either wrong in saying this or just missing something simple but why is it thought that Epicureanism and Stoicism are opposing schools of thoughts?
Thank you and please keep the videos coming!
"GRATEFUL INDIFFERENCE": Your concept of the Indifference which is Grateful pretty much reminds me of Nietzsche's "amor fati" that he talked about in a great passage of the Gay Science, although I think he repudiated both the Stoics and the Epicureans on many accounts
God, grant me the serenity
To accept the things I cannot change;
Courage to change the things I can;
And wisdom to know the difference.
'Thus life is an indifferent. The use is not indifferent', thus spoke Epictetus.
Stoicism: The Art of Acceptance
Great video!
And yet.... there are things not under your control, and things that are, but the large gray areas is things you can influence... the raising of a child, increasing charity, et cetera....
Very nice vid. Thanks.
Mate, if you're ever in the UK, guve us a shout i'll get you a beer in and we can talk Stoicism.
Please, do someone know the real name of Professoranton? Where does he live or work...I´m intrested in his speech about stoicism and want to know more about him...can someone help me? Thanks.
You make some good points
However in our complex modern world, there are many things in our lives that we have at least partial control of. For example, if you invest in stocks and bonds you're partially in control of your finances. We live in a democratic society, so the policies made by our governments are partially in our control. I also like to argue that you have partial control of how people see you and think about you. So its difficult to find what aspects of our lives are unalterable.
amazing. thankyou so much. well thought and clearly explained.
you are fascinating, thank you.
loved the vid !
Thank you for this video!
what an amazing vid- subbed.
sounds more like DECENT INDIFFERENCE.
thanks
Stoicism forgets that we are hedonistic creatures. We can be grateful for what we have but ultimately the body, the brain knows if our needs and wants are being met regardless of how much you tell yourself you should be happy. Ontological clarity and gratitude to dont make good bed fellows.
What is good? That is subjective. One may think slaughtering someone whose sexuality they deem wrong to be a _good_ deed. Perhaps the murderer was gratefully indifferent to the prevailing view in society regarding those whose exuality deviates from the norm, and to the legal rights of the victim. This is a dangerous philosophy.
Ecclisiates could have learned from the stoics.
sounds more like DECENT INDIFFERENCE. But grateful indifference is probably better. you life you laugh you cry you die, all men are mortal. Ecclesiates could have learned a thing or two from the stoics. Ya think?
Wow, 14 years, might as well go back to the time shortly before someone in the media decided to totally up and my life. I’ll make this brief, 14 years and someone finally understands what I meant when I said “No!” And to think 14 years ago, I knew nothing about unrestricted, fourth and fifth generation warfare, the subject of Thought Reform, Doxing and Gaslighting, how propaganda works, and what Edward Bernays called the engineering of consent. It’s all pretty Machiavellian, and to add to that after being put through the gauntlet, I’m a lot more colder and a lot more unsympathetic.
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This is basically describing the entire Chinese society.
Marco Pierre White ?!
"if you look at culture" you cant see culture.
Intuitive, yes. Intelligent? No. A quick glance at your new age channel reveals as much.
Ecclisiastes could have learned from the stoics!!!!!
Stoics were the shizzzzznit back in the day.. Those cats had the lowdown.