Holy crap, Annato Finnstarks' art just doesn't get old. And his dark style with swirls and light works so incredibly well with the evil in Middle-Earth.
Great video! I wouldn't be so quick to count Elrond out as one who can access the Unseen World, however. It is quite possible that bearing Vilya might confer that ability, and, things are never straightforward with him, because of his descent from Melian. Thranduil would make a better example of an Elf that would not likely have that access.
The Istari had their visible presence in the Unseen suppressed, much as they also did not have at-will access to their full powers as Maiar. Otherwise, Gandalf could not have accompanied the Fellowship without attracting attention either. Although Sauron could likely perceive him during his fight with Durin's Bane when the restrictions on his powers seemed to be temporarily revoked.
*Fun fact:* Glorfindel actually appears in the 1977 swedish adaptation of LOTR called "Sagan om Ringem". Pretty crazy to think that an unofficial low-budget production gave us a character from the original book no other LOTR adaptation, including Jackson's movies, ever could
Funny how countries that don't adhere to the IP rights of other countries tend to produce the most amazing niche art. Almost like not restricting creativity... encourages creativity.
@@iainballas ...? Not all IP laws are bad - in fact, most exist to protect the artist and original artwork. But besides that, your comment doesn't really apply to the trilogy. The omission of Glorfindel from Jackson's trilogy was a creative choice and not due to IP restrictions. Jackson could've included Glorfindel, but chose to take some creative liberties and expand on Arwen's role, to have more women featured in the story. Having Glorfindel in the original river crossing could still have worked perfectly fine, but movies make choices to streamline books all the time.
despite Frodo getting stabbed this is one of my favorite scenes in "The Fellowship of the Ring", where we get to see the Nazgul in their true forms (actually, they're some of my favorite characters). growing up it amazed me: the contrast between the Nine's bright, wispy forms and Aragorn's dark figure (the clash of colors is fascinating). not to mention the sounds are different too. also, Glorfindel is so cool. 😊
@@darthkielbasa no unclean wraithe beast would patron the documenting of the history of the free peoples - nay, Debbie is more akin to the revered company of Pengolodh in Gondolin of old
I wondered at some point if Balrogs or even the Nameless Things could see/exist in the unseen world as well. But this is something we can only guess. But, the Elves having lived in the Blessed Realm being able to exist in both worlds is amazing. Probably rewarded for their valor by taking the great march from Cuivienen to Valinor or just the effect of the Undying Lands? A being's spiritual power increased by its first life following them into the next like Glorfindel's is such a piece for entire conversations on afterlife lol. Amazing aspects in Tolkien's world. Thanks for the unique video. I'd love to watch more theories from you and something of less heard or traveled places like Almaren and the Years of the Lamps and Forodwaith in Middle Earth.
Another thing to think about the unseen world is…whether all who dwelt in the blessed realm could see others in the unseen world. We know Annatar was able to fool all the Noldor (many said to have been born in Valinor) of Eregion, and supposedly Galadriel was only suspicious of him, but not certain of his identity. Being present in the unseen does not seem to make them invincible and able to tell all spirits apart.
Let's be grateful that Tolkien could just before dying retcon the story of the two Glorfindels. He turned a massive plot hole in one of the most badass character background in fiction
This is hard to say... the earliest writings of Lord of the Rings implies that Glorfindel was always intended to be from Gondolin, (p. 214 - Return of the Shadow) but yeah. It wasn't until very late that he clarified that Glorfindel who died in Gondolin was the same as Glorfindel who predicted about the Witch-King and all of that.
9:00 the Quenya word for Incarnate is Mirröanwi whilst the Ainur are ëalar meaning they may take a body if they desire but lose this ability if they are fell and become too weak like the Balrog, Sauron and Saruman.
Gildor Inglorion also lived in Valinor before returning to Middle-Earth and there may have been a few other Noldor who lived there as well. They might also be able to be in both worlds.
Why would Elves live in the unseen world? Their fëar are drawn to Ëa: the stars, moon, sun, and Arda. What would they do in the unseen world? They may be able to detect unseen evil in the unseen world, so they can deal with it, but I don't think they would go into that realm on their own volition, in order to communicate with each other.
Great vid.. iv always pondered my favs from 1st 2nd 3rd age ( wished id meet a fan in real life and they asked me lol) and Glorfindel kinda shows up twice and the the main reson is finding it cool / interesting how the W.K is so scared due 2 his presence in the unseen wrld.
I'm so sorry. I was part of that (typically) 75% that weren't subbed for some reason... I've been watching ur videos for a while. I guess I assumed I was. Well, that's resolved now. Keep up the great work! ❤
Thank you very much for taking the suggestion and making this video. It was very interesting and instructive, congrats! I was wondering what are your thoughts on why the dwellers of Valinor are able to exist in both worlds and I've also always been curious about how these beings sense/see/notice the unseen world. Do you know of any sources where these topics may be adressed? Thanks in advance.
I love that Tolkien didn't overuse the unseen world. I forget it's even a thing in Middle Earth most of the time. I feel like many modern writers would use it too much and try to explain it too much, thus making it boring.
Hey Nerd of the rings… love your videos! If you get a second I have some questions related to Tolkiens works. 1st regarding the unseen world. It’s stated in lord of the rings that some elves have a large presence in the unseen world like glorfindel, so would it be possible for him to destroy or kill the ring wraiths? 2nd is regarding size comparisons of characters like morgoth. The portraits I see are that morgoth/ belrogs are enormous compared to elves and wizards but is this comparison correct?
I wonder if a knife similar to the Morgul one is how the barrow wights were created. Sacrificial victims who would be forever slaves to the Witch King of Angmar, who would guard the treasures and weapons of the long dead Dunedain. Weapons such as the sword Merry carried to the Pelennor fields.
@michaelminch5490 Really that explains nothing. When men or elves died, their spirits went to places beyond the control of Sauron or the Witch King. Only with magic tools of ensnarement could this be prevented, such as with rings of power or the morgul blade. So the video answers nothing as to their creation. And maybe it can't, which is okay.
@KellyClowers That principle is not inconsistent with Tolkien's world, though before it had been done to living creatures, which is how werewolves came about. I suppose since the Witch King seems very obsessed with death, even naming himself that when facing Gandalf at the gate of Minas Tirith, it could be that he extended the principle. But it still doesn't answer from whence the spirits came. And maybe that Isn't a question we can answer.
That is an interesting theory. But why would one Morgul blade cause someone to complete fade like Frodo almost did, while another blade turns Men into Wights, which are seen in the physical world?🤔
Reminds me of the fourth dimension. Perhaps those claimed by a ring "drip" down, smudged downwards, the wraith-world as a hell below the seen, and the timeless halls far far above.
After months (if not years) listening to your podcast I have one question. Glorfindel, being the most powerful elf in the Middle-Earth during the Third Age - probably more powerful than Galadriel and Cirdan combined, as he actually fought and defeated Balrog - was sitting peacefully in Rivendell at the whole time? Wouldn't it be wiser to prepare a false "fellowship of the ring" with Glorfindel (and others: Elrond, Cirdan, Galadriel etc.) onboard to deceive Sauron? For sure the great hero of the First Age, Glorfindel, had no better things to do back then?
If you had too many heavy hitters, I wonder if that would have been clearly seen through. Glorfindel was excluded because he would draw too much attention, but if you overplay your hand, that is also very obvious.
Yes. My favorite example of what you are teferring to is when Mirdania put on the Ring and went berserker with the hammer.😂🤣😆 Was that supposed to be cool? 😎
Wow! Now I finally understand why Glorfindel wasn't included in the Fellowship - he would be like a beacon of light in the night for Sauron. (He would teach a lesson to Balrog though.. hehe😸) But still I'm glad that he spared that opportunity to Gandalf. As we see - to beat a Balrog is a great way to get 80lvl instantly.
@@letsdashisthebest I do not claim to live in both worlds but I do believe this is an achievable state of being and am making an effort to do so. There are clues littered about if you go looking for them.
@@letsdashisthebest the original Star Wars trilogy for example, is an instruction manual for how to overcome the barriers to self enlightenment. The reason there are only ever two Sith is because they're your parents! Darth Vadar translates to "the dark father".
Also interesting in this regard is the conversation of Aragorn and Arwen, where he points out to her that he is a mortal man, and the twilight is not for him, and she chooses him, and renounces it.
Ngl I am really excited for this anime because I love anime and LOTR. But I also was imagining an animation like the 2007 movie Beowulf would’ve been cool too
How do beings that exist in both worlds change their viewpoint from one to the other without using a ring like Frodo? Or do they exist in both but only see in one?
I'm guessing that if they exist in both then they can see in both simultaneously to the same extent they exist in each realm. It's not necessarily a 50/50 split.
8:12 But that doesn't really sound to me like that trait belongs exclusively to individuals who had lived in Valinor, it sounds more like all those who lived in Valinor have it, while leaving open the option that others do as well? Or am I lacking information? Cause I wouldn't quickly assume that the husband of Galadriel has no presence in the unseen world.
Even if the One Ring was destroyed, would the Ringwraiths still be present in the unseen world or completely vanish entirely? That's what I want to know.
Most mythologies and religions describe an unseen world. Tolkien just got more creative with it. I used to believe in an unseen world, but now I think the more rational and I guess wise position to take is to be agnostic about what I experienced. I am 54 now, but in my teens I thought I went to the unseen world and nearly died. I need not explain why. Maybe I did. Maybe it was just my brain going into some strange dream state. It is impossible to explain what it was like, because it's unseen. You just sense what is there. The seen world felt like it was a entire universe away. I seemed to be connected to it and my body by a thin strand or something. That strand was going to break, so I would not be going back. I remember pleading to go back and eventually woke up back in my body. Maybe a dream, maybe not. I don't know, i.e., agnostic. P.S. Whatever it was, some things there were not exactly friendly and were communicating with me, but not with language. If it was not a dream and is something that actually exists, then with it being impossible to describe and know much about, we can not say much about it conclusively. We can only speculate. Therefore beware of anybody claiming to know all about that kind of thing (especially if they want 10% of your income, or offer you Kool-aid).
First of all thank you for all the great content, im loving ur channel!!. i wanted to ask about the recent news that amazon MGM studios jennifer salke indicates it could purchase rights I.P.(intellectual property) to LOTR nd HOBBIT from Embracer Goup. If this is real, i read, that Sauron (bezos) could actually take the license from Warner Discovery in case it gets the I.P. Does this mean Sauron Bezos wants to rule the whole middle earth? Could this ruin the new projects that Warner has in schedule? big hugs to everyone, enjoy life.
I think the spirits of the Oathbreakers were in the unseen world, even though Peter Jackson showed them as visible, they were invisible, but their presence was felt in the seen world.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand it, the difference between wraiths and other spirits is that wraiths are being drawn into the unseen world, and thus still having a physical effect upon the seen world while being invisible to it, the spirits of beings who have died exist entirely within the unseen world and cannot physically interact with the seen world, only have a psychological effect on living beings, hence why the dead men of Dunharrow could only frighten away the Corsairs at Pelargir, while wraiths such as the nazgul can wear clothing and weild weapons. But if that is the case, what are wights, such as the barrow-wights or the spirits that haunt the dead marshes?
Thought Tolkien goes into very little detail about this 'other side' to reality, it is mentioned often in accounts that have come down to our own time through folklore. In these stories, it is commonplace to find fairies and elves - and less friendly beings - moving between our world and their own mysterious realm as a parallel dimension. Indeed, these stories are, in part, the origin of the of 'fairyland', and it seems plausible that Tolkien's idea of the ghostly wraith-world is in some way related to them. In the end, though, he gives us so little information that it is hard to do more than speculate the subject.
You might be mixing up book canon and movie canon. Merry doesn't fall unconscious. In fact he walks all the way back to and into Minas Tirith before even being found by Pippin who, with the help from Gandalf, takes Merry to the Houses of Healing.
Well, one thing strikes me: maybe Elrond also had a strong presence in Unseen, but because of contact with Silmaril of Elwing (!), not because of Vilya. Perhaps otherwise he wouldn't be able to use the one of three, at least not in the effective way... just an idea.
Question for anyone: if Nazgûl are invisible, why do they wear robes so people can’t see them? Why not just roam invisible, think of the progress they could make
Dude, I'm so happy that rings of crap ended, hopefully for good. So you can focus on bringing to us real Tolkien lore. Which raises a question. What don't you talk about Ralph Bakshi's LOTR 1978 movie? I would be so interested to hear something about it.
I was just thinking today about what would happen to either Bilbo or Frodo if they would have been killed while wearing the ring? Anybody has an answer or is it stated somewhere in the books?
Obi-wan: I passed through a door to another dimension and you can to if you do enough Midichlorians. You can go anywhere, do anything, ladies locker rooms Duke
I tend to disagree on one point. I'm sure that galadriel and elrond, or at least one of them for sure, have strong presence in the unseen world. Elrond and Galadriel because both possess a ring of power which was forged by sauron indirect teaching and ultumatilately designed to fall under the rule of the One which pulled everyone in the unseen world. Galadriel was born in Valinor and she is beyond her faea alone, and her ring has a veil of illusion that frodo is only able to see through for a fraction of a second. Elrond especially he is descendent of melian, and his immortal blood is more ... active than all the descendents of elros, and though he might be lesser than Galadriel his ring also is one of the three. Gandalf is Olorin and especially the White plus Naria... So yeah. Plus Galadriel was (at least in my fanon) getting wisdom directly from Melian in Doriath at the peak of Melian's Ring so this certainly accounts for something too.
So Gandolf would have been able to to see Bilbo or Frodo if they had the ring on? Is there anywhere in the books where Gandolf is present when one of the Hobbits has the ring on?
Wouldnt Gandalf also be seen as a radiant being of light by the eyes of evil, though? Wouldnt Gandalf's presence also hinder their secrecy? He does die/get separated from the group early on, but would he go at all?
Wait if the reason for Glorfindel not going with the fellowship was his unseen presence how come it wasn’t the same for Gandalf? Or was it because glorfindels was just obnoxious comparatively?
Reminds me of the movie Constantine, where he could see Demons, Angels and the living. Maybe they were inspired by this, anyone know of any literature pre dating Tolkien of seen and unseen? I ask this as I am not very well read as others maybe!
I think this is an excellent topic to cover for people who are watching the Rings of Power. I feel like they spoke more about it in season one. But then you had more examples in season two, like when Celebrimbor’s apprentice disappeared. It will be interesting to see how much they develop this concept, as the various rings are used by the various races in the upcoming seasons.
It depends on the strength and character of the individual and how often they're wearing the ring. iirc Gollum spent long periods in possession of the one ring but not wearing it, especially at first.
Gandalf the Grey and other Istari had their powers diminished so maybe that aura was not visible in the unseen world. However, Gandalf the White must have been visible to the Nazgul in the unseen world as a being of great might.
"The unseen world is a path to many untold powers, some consider to be unnatural." "It is possible to know how to travel to this realm?" "Not from a maiar."
How would Gandalf know what would happen to someone who uses the ring, Gollum held the ring longer than anyone and used the ring many times, yet he wasn’t turned invisible permanently. Was it a complete guess?
Absolutely loved how the Unseen World and the Nazgul were depicted in the 1978 animated movie. It was one of the things the Bakshi adaptation did better than the Peter Jackson's filns
One thing I love about Nerd of the Ring's videos is the music that's included. Wish I could find it to listen to.
Same! I love listening to the background accompaniments.
It really should be in a credits section.
I mean just ask him he's offered the links before
I love the artwork too!
Holy crap, Annato Finnstarks' art just doesn't get old. And his dark style with swirls and light works so incredibly well with the evil in Middle-Earth.
I'm glad his name isn't Annatar.
Great video! I wouldn't be so quick to count Elrond out as one who can access the Unseen World, however. It is quite possible that bearing Vilya might confer that ability, and, things are never straightforward with him, because of his descent from Melian. Thranduil would make a better example of an Elf that would not likely have that access.
I think Arondir is an even better example.😂
The Istari had their visible presence in the Unseen suppressed, much as they also did not have at-will access to their full powers as Maiar. Otherwise, Gandalf could not have accompanied the Fellowship without attracting attention either. Although Sauron could likely perceive him during his fight with Durin's Bane when the restrictions on his powers seemed to be temporarily revoked.
Thank you for your channel. I love it and how you go into so much detail with everything, I appreciate you 😊
*Fun fact:* Glorfindel actually appears in the 1977 swedish adaptation of LOTR called "Sagan om Ringem". Pretty crazy to think that an unofficial low-budget production gave us a character from the original book no other LOTR adaptation, including Jackson's movies, ever could
Funny how countries that don't adhere to the IP rights of other countries tend to produce the most amazing niche art. Almost like not restricting creativity... encourages creativity.
@@iainballas ...? Not all IP laws are bad - in fact, most exist to protect the artist and original artwork. But besides that, your comment doesn't really apply to the trilogy. The omission of Glorfindel from Jackson's trilogy was a creative choice and not due to IP restrictions. Jackson could've included Glorfindel, but chose to take some creative liberties and expand on Arwen's role, to have more women featured in the story. Having Glorfindel in the original river crossing could still have worked perfectly fine, but movies make choices to streamline books all the time.
@@laurend9829 Yeah, to protect the writer or artist... that's why it lasts for 75 years after they die.
despite Frodo getting stabbed this is one of my favorite scenes in "The Fellowship of the Ring", where we get to see the Nazgul in their true forms (actually, they're some of my favorite characters). growing up it amazed me: the contrast between the Nine's bright, wispy forms and Aragorn's dark figure (the clash of colors is fascinating). not to mention the sounds are different too. also, Glorfindel is so cool. 😊
Excellent breakdown of the seen and unseen world. Thanks Matt!
Shoutout to Debbie, the only mortal who walks in both worlds
Praise Debbie the unclean wraithe beast.
@@darthkielbasa no unclean wraithe beast would patron the documenting of the history of the free peoples - nay, Debbie is more akin to the revered company of Pengolodh in Gondolin of old
Who is Debbie
@@Charlie-m6r5v Debbie is a regular patron of this channel
I wondered at some point if Balrogs or even the Nameless Things could see/exist in the unseen world as well. But this is something we can only guess. But, the Elves having lived in the Blessed Realm being able to exist in both worlds is amazing. Probably rewarded for their valor by taking the great march from Cuivienen to Valinor or just the effect of the Undying Lands? A being's spiritual power increased by its first life following them into the next like Glorfindel's is such a piece for entire conversations on afterlife lol. Amazing aspects in Tolkien's world. Thanks for the unique video. I'd love to watch more theories from you and something of less heard or traveled places like Almaren and the Years of the Lamps and Forodwaith in Middle Earth.
Balrogs are Maiar so yes they have power in the Unseen world. Though possibly less than before they fell
He uploads, we watch. ❤
Another thing to think about the unseen world is…whether all who dwelt in the blessed realm could see others in the unseen world. We know Annatar was able to fool all the Noldor (many said to have been born in Valinor) of Eregion, and supposedly Galadriel was only suspicious of him, but not certain of his identity. Being present in the unseen does not seem to make them invincible and able to tell all spirits apart.
Maybe Elves cannot see the unseen aspect of Maiar, but Maiar can see that of Elves🤔
Amazingly well done work. Both the narration, the music in the background and specially all the wonderful pictures! Good work!!!
Just wanted to say dude, I was watching your glaurung vid yesterday, and your dubbing was hilarious lmao 🤣🤣
Let's be grateful that Tolkien could just before dying retcon the story of the two Glorfindels. He turned a massive plot hole in one of the most badass character background in fiction
When I first read The Fall of Gondolin and saw the name 'Legolas' I excitedly thought he might get a Glorfindel treatment, but apparently not so 😢
This is hard to say... the earliest writings of Lord of the Rings implies that Glorfindel was always intended to be from Gondolin, (p. 214 - Return of the Shadow) but yeah. It wasn't until very late that he clarified that Glorfindel who died in Gondolin was the same as Glorfindel who predicted about the Witch-King and all of that.
Can you do a video about poems of/in/about Middle-Earth?
Great video Matt! Glorfindel really was a G. Lol.
Thanks for another informative video
Thank you for this high quality video. And thank you to everyone who contributes to make this channel what it is. 😊
9:00 the Quenya word for Incarnate is Mirröanwi whilst the Ainur are ëalar meaning they may take a body if they desire but lose this ability if they are fell and become too weak like the Balrog, Sauron and Saruman.
Gildor Inglorion also lived in Valinor before returning to Middle-Earth and there may have been a few other Noldor who lived there as well. They might also be able to be in both worlds.
Why would Elves live in the unseen world? Their fëar are drawn to Ëa: the stars, moon, sun, and Arda. What would they do in the unseen world? They may be able to detect unseen evil in the unseen world, so they can deal with it, but I don't think they would go into that realm on their own volition, in order to communicate with each other.
Interesting video 💍 always good info.
Great vid.. iv always pondered my favs from 1st 2nd 3rd age ( wished id meet a fan in real life and they asked me lol) and Glorfindel kinda shows up twice and the the main reson is finding it cool / interesting how the W.K is so scared due 2 his presence in the unseen wrld.
The unseen world is fascinating
does the ones lying at Dagorlad are also wraiths and still persist in the unseen ? And the same for the undead cursed by Isildur ?
I'm so sorry. I was part of that (typically) 75% that weren't subbed for some reason... I've been watching ur videos for a while. I guess I assumed I was. Well, that's resolved now. Keep up the great work! ❤
Thanks for a treat )
This was excellent! Thank you Matt!😁🧝♂️🧝♀️🧙♂️🍻🥔
always love ur video!!
Thank you very much for taking the suggestion and making this video. It was very interesting and instructive, congrats! I was wondering what are your thoughts on why the dwellers of Valinor are able to exist in both worlds and I've also always been curious about how these beings sense/see/notice the unseen world. Do you know of any sources where these topics may be adressed? Thanks in advance.
I love that Tolkien didn't overuse the unseen world. I forget it's even a thing in Middle Earth most of the time. I feel like many modern writers would use it too much and try to explain it too much, thus making it boring.
So true!
That's a good point. 😁👍
Tolkien magical system is one of its best strength indeed.
Hey Nerd of the rings… love your videos!
If you get a second I have some questions related to Tolkiens works.
1st regarding the unseen world. It’s stated in lord of the rings that some elves have a large presence in the unseen world like glorfindel, so would it be possible for him to destroy or kill the ring wraiths?
2nd is regarding size comparisons of characters like morgoth. The portraits I see are that morgoth/ belrogs are enormous compared to elves and wizards but is this comparison correct?
I wonder if a knife similar to the Morgul one is how the barrow wights were created. Sacrificial victims who would be forever slaves to the Witch King of Angmar, who would guard the treasures and weapons of the long dead Dunedain. Weapons such as the sword Merry carried to the Pelennor fields.
Matt covers how the Barrow Wights came to be in this video -
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Nah the Witch-king stuffed evil spirits into already dead bodies
@michaelminch5490 Really that explains nothing. When men or elves died, their spirits went to places beyond the control of Sauron or the Witch King. Only with magic tools of ensnarement could this be prevented, such as with rings of power or the morgul blade. So the video answers nothing as to their creation. And maybe it can't, which is okay.
@KellyClowers That principle is not inconsistent with Tolkien's world, though before it had been done to living creatures, which is how werewolves came about. I suppose since the Witch King seems very obsessed with death, even naming himself that when facing Gandalf at the gate of Minas Tirith, it could be that he extended the principle. But it still doesn't answer from whence the spirits came. And maybe that Isn't a question we can answer.
That is an interesting theory.
But why would one Morgul blade cause someone to complete fade like Frodo almost did, while another blade turns Men into Wights, which are seen in the physical world?🤔
Just imagine how cool it would be to live in the unseen world... The potential for industrial espionage would be massive
so cool you become one of the Nazgul. How much fun is that
Lol😂
@@beecee2205Well, manwë is also in the unseen world and THAT WAS A JOKE FOR GOD’S SAKE!
@@metalsonn I know, I find the Nazgul funny
Uh...it's called New York.
Reminds me of the fourth dimension. Perhaps those claimed by a ring "drip" down, smudged downwards, the wraith-world as a hell below the seen, and the timeless halls far far above.
After months (if not years) listening to your podcast I have one question. Glorfindel, being the most powerful elf in the Middle-Earth during the Third Age - probably more powerful than Galadriel and Cirdan combined, as he actually fought and defeated Balrog - was sitting peacefully in Rivendell at the whole time? Wouldn't it be wiser to prepare a false "fellowship of the ring" with Glorfindel (and others: Elrond, Cirdan, Galadriel etc.) onboard to deceive Sauron? For sure the great hero of the First Age, Glorfindel, had no better things to do back then?
Perhaps Glorfindel was one of those elves who felt that their time in Middle Earth was ending, and that this was not their battle to fight...
If you had too many heavy hitters, I wonder if that would have been clearly seen through. Glorfindel was excluded because he would draw too much attention, but if you overplay your hand, that is also very obvious.
He probably fought on the northern part of the war
Yes. My favorite example of what you are teferring to is when Mirdania put on the Ring and went berserker with the hammer.😂🤣😆 Was that supposed to be cool? 😎
I do have a life, I don't just sit here waiting for videos to drop. Really...
I have become like you, but weaker.
Wow! Now I finally understand why Glorfindel wasn't included in the Fellowship - he would be like a beacon of light in the night for Sauron.
(He would teach a lesson to Balrog though.. hehe😸)
But still I'm glad that he spared that opportunity to Gandalf. As we see - to beat a Balrog is a great way to get 80lvl instantly.
This is a good one
This should be very interesting😁
Wow imagine living two worlds!
same worlds, more like 2 sides of the same coin
"living twice at once you'll learn that you're safe from pain and the dream remains, the soul set free to fly" --Queensryche
@@susanyoung6579 that's some philosophy
Edit:👏👏
@@letsdashisthebest I do not claim to live in both worlds but I do believe this is an achievable state of being and am making an effort to do so. There are clues littered about if you go looking for them.
@@letsdashisthebest the original Star Wars trilogy for example, is an instruction manual for how to overcome the barriers to self enlightenment. The reason there are only ever two Sith is because they're your parents! Darth Vadar translates to "the dark father".
Also interesting in this regard is the conversation of Aragorn and Arwen, where he points out to her that he is a mortal man, and the twilight is not for him, and she chooses him, and renounces it.
Ngl I am really excited for this anime because I love anime and LOTR. But I also was imagining an animation like the 2007 movie Beowulf would’ve been cool too
This video is great. I feel seen 😁
How do beings that exist in both worlds change their viewpoint from one to the other without using a ring like Frodo? Or do they exist in both but only see in one?
I'm guessing that if they exist in both then they can see in both simultaneously to the same extent they exist in each realm. It's not necessarily a 50/50 split.
I guess Gandalf was okay to go to Mordor, despite also existing in the Unseen World. He probably just appears as weed smoke.
8:12 But that doesn't really sound to me like that trait belongs exclusively to individuals who had lived in Valinor, it sounds more like all those who lived in Valinor have it, while leaving open the option that others do as well? Or am I lacking information? Cause I wouldn't quickly assume that the husband of Galadriel has no presence in the unseen world.
Hvala!
Even if the One Ring was destroyed, would the Ringwraiths still be present in the unseen world or completely vanish entirely? That's what I want to know.
The Gift of Men could not be removed by anyone except Ilúvatar. The Ringwraiths perished and their spirits traveled outside the Circles of the World.
Most mythologies and religions describe an unseen world. Tolkien just got more creative with it.
I used to believe in an unseen world, but now I think the more rational and I guess wise position to take is to be agnostic about what I experienced. I am 54 now, but in my teens I thought I went to the unseen world and nearly died. I need not explain why. Maybe I did. Maybe it was just my brain going into some strange dream state.
It is impossible to explain what it was like, because it's unseen. You just sense what is there. The seen world felt like it was a entire universe away. I seemed to be connected to it and my body by a thin strand or something. That strand was going to break, so I would not be going back. I remember pleading to go back and eventually woke up back in my body. Maybe a dream, maybe not. I don't know, i.e., agnostic.
P.S. Whatever it was, some things there were not exactly friendly and were communicating with me, but not with language. If it was not a dream and is something that actually exists, then with it being impossible to describe and know much about, we can not say much about it conclusively. We can only speculate. Therefore beware of anybody claiming to know all about that kind of thing (especially if they want 10% of your income, or offer you Kool-aid).
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"Therefore the Valar may walk, if they will, unclad, and then even the Eldar cannot clearly perceive them, though they be present."
I think the spirits of the Oathbreakers were in the unseen world, even though Peter Jackson showed them as visible, they were invisible, but their presence was felt in the seen world.
Makes you wonder how many lesser wraiths, victims of Nazgul blades, are about that weren't saved...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand it, the difference between wraiths and other spirits is that wraiths are being drawn into the unseen world, and thus still having a physical effect upon the seen world while being invisible to it, the spirits of beings who have died exist entirely within the unseen world and cannot physically interact with the seen world, only have a psychological effect on living beings, hence why the dead men of Dunharrow could only frighten away the Corsairs at Pelargir, while wraiths such as the nazgul can wear clothing and weild weapons. But if that is the case, what are wights, such as the barrow-wights or the spirits that haunt the dead marshes?
He has a video on them
Hey i know its a bit offtopic but what do you think of a series or movie about beren and lutien ?
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4:35-4:51 sounds like timelooping too.
It seems Gollum would have faded more, but that would've been hard to retcon.
Thought Tolkien goes into very little detail about this 'other side' to reality, it is mentioned often in accounts that have come down to our own time through folklore. In these stories, it is commonplace to find fairies and elves - and less friendly beings - moving between our world and their own mysterious realm as a parallel dimension. Indeed, these stories are, in part, the origin of the of 'fairyland', and it seems plausible that Tolkien's idea of the ghostly wraith-world is in some way related to them. In the end, though, he gives us so little information that it is hard to do more than speculate the subject.
Marry: Stabs the Witch King. Looses consciousness.
Frodo: Gets stabbed by Witch King. Holds out for 14 days.
When Merry stabbed him, the Witch King was at his full power.
Merry was all alone until Pippin found him. Frodo got aid right away.
You might be mixing up book canon and movie canon. Merry doesn't fall unconscious. In fact he walks all the way back to and into Minas Tirith before even being found by Pippin who, with the help from Gandalf, takes Merry to the Houses of Healing.
Well, one thing strikes me: maybe Elrond also had a strong presence in Unseen, but because of contact with Silmaril of Elwing (!), not because of Vilya. Perhaps otherwise he wouldn't be able to use the one of three, at least not in the effective way... just an idea.
please make a gameplay video of playing The One Ring 2e Role Playing Game
Now we're talking
Question for anyone: if Nazgûl are invisible, why do they wear robes so people can’t see them? Why not just roam invisible, think of the progress they could make
The fëa of the Witch King and the ëalar of Sauron and Saruman passed permanently into the unseen world.
Can you review season 2 of rings of power??
Do you know where Glorfindel was during the forging of the Rings of Power?
Eru Ilúvatar operates in the Unseen World.
Isn't it also stated in Fellowship that the descendants of elves from Valinor would also light up in the unseen world?
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You sound like the gentleman who used to do the FEE out of frame videos.
Dude, I'm so happy that rings of crap ended, hopefully for good. So you can focus on bringing to us real Tolkien lore. Which raises a question. What don't you talk about Ralph Bakshi's LOTR 1978 movie? I would be so interested to hear something about it.
Next,, life and travels of Adar...
I was just thinking today about what would happen to either Bilbo or Frodo if they would have been killed while wearing the ring? Anybody has an answer or is it stated somewhere in the books?
Their corpse world have been invisible until someone managed to take the ring off it
I think all the Ainur and the elves exist in the seen and unseen worlds together, right?
Obi-wan: I passed through a door to another dimension and you can to if you do enough Midichlorians. You can go anywhere, do anything, ladies locker rooms Duke
But what's the tax policy in the unseen world? How does the economy there work? : GRR Martin probably.
I tend to disagree on one point. I'm sure that galadriel and elrond, or at least one of them for sure, have strong presence in the unseen world. Elrond and Galadriel because both possess a ring of power which was forged by sauron indirect teaching and ultumatilately designed to fall under the rule of the One which pulled everyone in the unseen world. Galadriel was born in Valinor and she is beyond her faea alone, and her ring has a veil of illusion that frodo is only able to see through for a fraction of a second. Elrond especially he is descendent of melian, and his immortal blood is more ... active than all the descendents of elros, and though he might be lesser than Galadriel his ring also is one of the three. Gandalf is Olorin and especially the White plus Naria... So yeah. Plus Galadriel was (at least in my fanon) getting wisdom directly from Melian in Doriath at the peak of Melian's Ring so this certainly accounts for something too.
So Gandolf would have been able to to see Bilbo or Frodo if they had the ring on? Is there anywhere in the books where Gandolf is present when one of the Hobbits has the ring on?
Wouldnt Gandalf also be seen as a radiant being of light by the eyes of evil, though? Wouldnt Gandalf's presence also hinder their secrecy?
He does die/get separated from the group early on, but would he go at all?
Wait if the reason for Glorfindel not going with the fellowship was his unseen presence how come it wasn’t the same for Gandalf? Or was it because glorfindels was just obnoxious comparatively?
Are there any instances where someone changes status? ie: maiar to not maiar or vice versa or something
No
Reminds me of the movie Constantine, where he could see Demons, Angels and the living. Maybe they were inspired by this, anyone know of any literature pre dating Tolkien of seen and unseen? I ask this as I am not very well read as others maybe!
To be fair, everything that occurs in our world also falls into the categories of either "seen" or "unseen".
I think this is an excellent topic to cover for people who are watching the Rings of Power. I feel like they spoke more about it in season one. But then you had more examples in season two, like when Celebrimbor’s apprentice disappeared. It will be interesting to see how much they develop this concept, as the various rings are used by the various races in the upcoming seasons.
I think this connects with when Aragorn speaks to the Rohirim and Leoglas sees the flames coming around his head.
Gandalf the Grey entered the unseen world when he died, only to re-enter the seen world as Gandalf the White.
Gollum had the ring for like 500 years, was he becoming a wraith? How long in possessing a ring does it take to transition?
It depends on the strength and character of the individual and how often they're wearing the ring. iirc Gollum spent long periods in possession of the one ring but not wearing it, especially at first.
So, Glorfindel would be a peril to the fellowship because of his light in the unseen world. But what about Gandalf then?
Gandalf the Grey and other Istari had their powers diminished so maybe that aura was not visible in the unseen world.
However, Gandalf the White must have been visible to the Nazgul in the unseen world as a being of great might.
I was there
What happened to Tauriel?
“Visibilium omnium et invisibilium”
Is it that hard to acknowledge that Tolkien was a firm Christian and drew lots of inspiration from his faith?
"The unseen world is a path to many untold powers, some consider to be unnatural."
"It is possible to know how to travel to this realm?"
"Not from a maiar."
How would Gandalf know what would happen to someone who uses the ring, Gollum held the ring longer than anyone and used the ring many times, yet he wasn’t turned invisible permanently. Was it a complete guess?
He was talking about the rings of Man
Absolutely loved how the Unseen World and the Nazgul were depicted in the 1978 animated movie. It was one of the things the Bakshi adaptation did better than the Peter Jackson's filns
The advantages animation has over live-action.
I liked Bakshis blackriders overall over PJs..they were far creepier...
Does Gandalf/Olórin/Mithrandir exist in the unseen world?
Yes. He is a Maia and they all exist in the unseen world.
What can glorfindal do?