Black Men Playing Old Women in Hollywood

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  • @ThandoNdlovu-zr3ld
    @ThandoNdlovu-zr3ld 5 місяців тому +165

    I hate that when people bring up black men in dresses for comedy they ignore that these men's portrayal is based on them humiliating black women.

    • @wiglicious.
      @wiglicious. 5 місяців тому +1

      Exactly that’s why idgaf about the whole kat williams thing because they don’t care about dressing up as pimps but draw the line at dresses, these bm always think their some poets 😒like I do understand the whole dress emasculation thing but they be real picky and choosy it is all I’m sayin

    • @BlackGirlUnsolved
      @BlackGirlUnsolved 5 місяців тому +15

      Thank you because that’s what it is. That’s why they have no reason doing it.

    • @kendriahudson4747
      @kendriahudson4747 5 місяців тому +4

      Exactly

    • @carrington2949
      @carrington2949 5 місяців тому +4

      Facts. This is sorely ignored in these conversations.

  • @PerpetualCalamity
    @PerpetualCalamity 5 місяців тому +144

    Katt’s missing the mark on this probably because of his own homophobia. The biggest problem with black hetero male comedians crossdressing is that they commodify mocking black women in the process. Tee Noir did a video about this, “The Market of Humiliating Black Women.”

    • @raynebow5289
      @raynebow5289 5 місяців тому +19

      First I saw a Kat Blaque fan and now a Tee Noir fan?! I think I finally found my social media tribe 😭

    • @Blue_Azure101
      @Blue_Azure101 5 місяців тому +7

      This is the reality that no one wants to really talk about.

    • @endangeredasexual
      @endangeredasexual 5 місяців тому +3

      Thank you for saying this. My thoughts exactly.

  • @garden_3130
    @garden_3130 5 місяців тому +38

    Tyler Perry chooses to wear those dresses.

    • @iamanom
      @iamanom 5 місяців тому +9

      He brags on how he likes it. Must we forget that it’s humiliating women. But oh no poor Tyler Perry

  • @theteyonna
    @theteyonna 5 місяців тому +101

    I’ve heard this point brought up by Black comedians/ actors a lot, and I’m totally here for that conversation as well as a conversation on the stereotypes and mockery that is simultaneously being made of Black women in their “portrayal.

    • @knowvilleknows1075
      @knowvilleknows1075 5 місяців тому

      This isn’t a matter of race, but the degradation of women in general. White men play women in drag all of the time. If we would take race out of the equation on this matter, we would have more support as all races of women are affected by this kind of sexism

    • @authorofthegodspell
      @authorofthegodspell 5 місяців тому

      It's BLACKFACE by Black Men

  • @medtle1
    @medtle1 5 місяців тому +63

    This video topic reminded me of Kat Blaque discussing her experiences interacting with male crossdressers. Kat Blaque made a few videos about why she hates cis straight male crossdressers (and how a lot of them are sexist, homophobic, and transphobic) and differentiates them from drag queens and actual gender non-conforming men that just want to wear clothing that is coded feminine.

    • @raynebow5289
      @raynebow5289 5 місяців тому +9

      It’s so refreshing and reassuring to see a Kat Blaque fan here ❤

    • @Kate-kj2ti
      @Kate-kj2ti 5 місяців тому +4

      Wouldn’t that essentially be a mark against cis people’s freedom to wear non gender conforming fashion without it having to affect their sexuality or gender?

    • @medtle1
      @medtle1 5 місяців тому

      @@Kate-kj2ti This is how Kat explained it. A lot of cis straight men (and cis queer men with internalized queerphobia) crossdress to mock women, girls, and femininity and are extremely transphobic toward trans gals like her. Drag queens dress up as female celebrities and female characters because they like and respect women and girls and femininity. It is possible for a cis man to wear feminine clothes without being sexist or mocking femininity, but you have to know how to spot them. Basically, learning this skill helps you see the difference between guys like Steven Crowder & Tyler Perry and guys like Harry Styles & Vince from Recess & Steven from Steven Universe.

    • @raynebow5289
      @raynebow5289 5 місяців тому +7

      @@Kate-kj2ti Woah there, I see you may be teetering into the "anti-authoritarian" narrative. A person can be a crossdresser and still be called out for being a sexist/homophobic/transphobic bigot.

    • @ambercastillo7863
      @ambercastillo7863 5 місяців тому +10

      ​​@@Kate-kj2ti Not necessarily, because more often than not, a lot of cis male straight crossdressers do it to mock or belittle women. This may not be the case for all of them, but it is a lot of the majority. We shouldn't target them or claim that they shouldn't do so because not all cis straight men are the same. However, how many cis straight guys do you know in Hollywood actually want to be openly kind to women along with the portrayal of women? Especially in the context of crossdressing. It's also very interesting that the standard of a man to be actually accepting/kind to a woman is either because he's gay or simply non-conforming. It's crazy how many straight men delved into the "alpha male" path and then get progressively worse, because god forbid they learn to accept others who do not share the same views/ideologies they do, and god forbid that a woman isn't a full blown traditionalist. It's a huge slap in the face.

  • @TititoDeBologay
    @TititoDeBologay 5 місяців тому +32

    They're not forced, incentivised, paid and so on, but not forced.
    Tyler Perry wasn't forced to play Madea, He ran that trope for decades in theatres before moving it to Cinema and T.V.
    One can acknowledge how racist and toxic Hollywood representation is.
    Yet these actors, for the most, make choice into what roles they want to interpret.
    They chose the 💰 over their integrity and humanity, they can stand in It.

    • @iamanom
      @iamanom 5 місяців тому +8

      They choose money over humiliating women and what their misogynistic view of women are.

  • @BlackGirlUnsolved
    @BlackGirlUnsolved 5 місяців тому +18

    Just like with black face, but this time I feel like they are trying to mock black woman. The black men agree to it not realizing what Hollywood was doing.

  • @kameralkutie5594
    @kameralkutie5594 5 місяців тому +53

    They weren’t forced, they made those decisions.🤡🤷🏽‍♀️😂

    • @candylove49
      @candylove49 5 місяців тому +23

      That’s correct, they should’ve “chose better” 🥴.

    • @Sophia-qr2xk
      @Sophia-qr2xk 5 місяців тому +6

      Exactly. Tyler Perry became a millionaire doing it. No one forced him

    • @carrington2949
      @carrington2949 5 місяців тому +3

      Thank. They have become very wealthy doing it as well.

  • @VixxKong2
    @VixxKong2 5 місяців тому +22

    They need to play something non-threatening to society's status quo

    • @SweetUareDesi
      @SweetUareDesi 5 місяців тому

      They are already, non threatening 😂to men that run the global economy

    • @Spanish-Armada
      @Spanish-Armada 5 місяців тому +1

      Once they stop living up to those stereotypes then maybe they can complain.

    • @carrington2949
      @carrington2949 5 місяців тому

      BS. They are making fun of black women for white audiences. It is no different than a minstrel show.

  • @Sthomp10
    @Sthomp10 5 місяців тому +13

    There is a huge list of white comedians who have also done drag for movies. The idea that black men are being emasculated is counter productive to the systems of oppression that also paints them as a threat.

  • @mitzifelix7966
    @mitzifelix7966 5 місяців тому +18

    Yup I think Kat was trying to say that these famous black actors just take the roles and don’t try to challenge them or forge a different path for black actors

    • @jacquelynn2051
      @jacquelynn2051 5 місяців тому

      I agree and he didn’t delve deeper into the WHY? There is that 4th grade lesson: Who, What, When, Where, Why and How? I swear if we just applied these words at the beginning of a questioning we’d have some actual answers.

  • @ethnekerickson
    @ethnekerickson 5 місяців тому +8

    This is so fascinating!!!

  • @Samalys71
    @Samalys71 5 місяців тому

    James baldwin talked about this a lot too - he was spot on in all of his interviews

  • @rzrwiresunrise
    @rzrwiresunrise 5 місяців тому +7

    Minstrelsy.

  • @Swimmaroo
    @Swimmaroo 5 місяців тому +3

    Noxeema Jackson for sure an outlier on this cop to old lady spectrum

  • @user-xu6sj4iv3t
    @user-xu6sj4iv3t 5 місяців тому

    Awesome Point Kiera!!!!
    Yes, the misogynoir is definitely a theme in the media (especially in white spaces). My brother is very tall and tends to be insecure about his size so he will in turn buck break and "size himself down" in hopes of being accepted in these spaces. Black men definitely have a tendency to attack black women about our size in hopes of aligning with white culture and essentially being "pick me's" in hopes of gaining said white acceptance over black women. In the media, black men are only put on display to pander to black love in hopes of gaining black revenue or (to your point) playing a character that is accepted into the white community via interracial relationship and or "safe black guy" that is overtly tokenized and yet undervalued. Yes indeed, the sketchiness continues 👀👀

  • @pvp6077
    @pvp6077 5 місяців тому

    Cops and military. Especially in movies, you get a **lot** of black army guys.
    Also, not only have white men been crossdressing for humour for centuries till today (Hairspray being particularly insulting), but I know for a fact the Wayans brothers came up with the idea for "White Chicks" independently, after a number of successful movies with zero crossdressing, and also had to **convince** the studio to greenlight it
    Tyler Perry came up with Madea all on his own. A lot of these SNL writers wrote their own skits and dressed they own selves up. They didn't think dressing up to insult women was taking away from their masculinity at all. If anything, it was **affirming** how secure they felt in their own masculinity.
    Very much like Simu Liu especially in the Barbie movie. The Kens were meant to lean into the gay stereotypes as a way to conversely affirm their masculinity and heterosexuality
    I know a lot of dads who dressed up on coconut bras and hula skirts for parties in the 90s-2000s because that's just what the fun, cool guys did. The party animals. Lip-synching to Britney Spears with big balloons stuffed in their shirts.
    Guys in school would stuff balls up their shirts and "jokingly" pretend to have boobs and insult the girls around them for not having such big jumblies 🙄🙄🙄

  • @user-hl1ct3yh1r
    @user-hl1ct3yh1r 5 місяців тому

    Was watching boondocks and had a man dressed up as a woman, and wondered why they’d do this. Interesting perspective

  • @LuvLight44
    @LuvLight44 5 місяців тому

    Gawt dayum David is FIEEOOOONNNNNN (fine AF) 😍🥰🥰😍

  • @SisterSanMiguel
    @SisterSanMiguel 5 місяців тому

    Idk the first black actor I think of is ice cube and he didn’t do that

  • @madelinehuffman8257
    @madelinehuffman8257 5 місяців тому +1

    Girl I watched Madea because it was funny not everything is about race…

  • @pupsap7714
    @pupsap7714 4 місяці тому

    This is just womanface tbh

  • @Spanish-Armada
    @Spanish-Armada 5 місяців тому +5

    Nah no one forced these beta men to do anything 1:26 . They chose to accept those scripts for money. Stop making grown men a victim of their own actions.