Exactly that’s why idgaf about the whole kat williams thing because they don’t care about dressing up as pimps but draw the line at dresses, these bm always think their some poets 😒like I do understand the whole dress emasculation thing but they be real picky and choosy it is all I’m sayin
Katt’s missing the mark on this probably because of his own homophobia. The biggest problem with black hetero male comedians crossdressing is that they commodify mocking black women in the process. Tee Noir did a video about this, “The Market of Humiliating Black Women.”
I’ve heard this point brought up by Black comedians/ actors a lot, and I’m totally here for that conversation as well as a conversation on the stereotypes and mockery that is simultaneously being made of Black women in their “portrayal.
This isn’t a matter of race, but the degradation of women in general. White men play women in drag all of the time. If we would take race out of the equation on this matter, we would have more support as all races of women are affected by this kind of sexism
This video topic reminded me of Kat Blaque discussing her experiences interacting with male crossdressers. Kat Blaque made a few videos about why she hates cis straight male crossdressers (and how a lot of them are sexist, homophobic, and transphobic) and differentiates them from drag queens and actual gender non-conforming men that just want to wear clothing that is coded feminine.
Wouldn’t that essentially be a mark against cis people’s freedom to wear non gender conforming fashion without it having to affect their sexuality or gender?
@@Kate-kj2ti This is how Kat explained it. A lot of cis straight men (and cis queer men with internalized queerphobia) crossdress to mock women, girls, and femininity and are extremely transphobic toward trans gals like her. Drag queens dress up as female celebrities and female characters because they like and respect women and girls and femininity. It is possible for a cis man to wear feminine clothes without being sexist or mocking femininity, but you have to know how to spot them. Basically, learning this skill helps you see the difference between guys like Steven Crowder & Tyler Perry and guys like Harry Styles & Vince from Recess & Steven from Steven Universe.
@@Kate-kj2ti Woah there, I see you may be teetering into the "anti-authoritarian" narrative. A person can be a crossdresser and still be called out for being a sexist/homophobic/transphobic bigot.
@@Kate-kj2ti Not necessarily, because more often than not, a lot of cis male straight crossdressers do it to mock or belittle women. This may not be the case for all of them, but it is a lot of the majority. We shouldn't target them or claim that they shouldn't do so because not all cis straight men are the same. However, how many cis straight guys do you know in Hollywood actually want to be openly kind to women along with the portrayal of women? Especially in the context of crossdressing. It's also very interesting that the standard of a man to be actually accepting/kind to a woman is either because he's gay or simply non-conforming. It's crazy how many straight men delved into the "alpha male" path and then get progressively worse, because god forbid they learn to accept others who do not share the same views/ideologies they do, and god forbid that a woman isn't a full blown traditionalist. It's a huge slap in the face.
They're not forced, incentivised, paid and so on, but not forced. Tyler Perry wasn't forced to play Madea, He ran that trope for decades in theatres before moving it to Cinema and T.V. One can acknowledge how racist and toxic Hollywood representation is. Yet these actors, for the most, make choice into what roles they want to interpret. They chose the 💰 over their integrity and humanity, they can stand in It.
Just like with black face, but this time I feel like they are trying to mock black woman. The black men agree to it not realizing what Hollywood was doing.
There is a huge list of white comedians who have also done drag for movies. The idea that black men are being emasculated is counter productive to the systems of oppression that also paints them as a threat.
Yup I think Kat was trying to say that these famous black actors just take the roles and don’t try to challenge them or forge a different path for black actors
I agree and he didn’t delve deeper into the WHY? There is that 4th grade lesson: Who, What, When, Where, Why and How? I swear if we just applied these words at the beginning of a questioning we’d have some actual answers.
Awesome Point Kiera!!!! Yes, the misogynoir is definitely a theme in the media (especially in white spaces). My brother is very tall and tends to be insecure about his size so he will in turn buck break and "size himself down" in hopes of being accepted in these spaces. Black men definitely have a tendency to attack black women about our size in hopes of aligning with white culture and essentially being "pick me's" in hopes of gaining said white acceptance over black women. In the media, black men are only put on display to pander to black love in hopes of gaining black revenue or (to your point) playing a character that is accepted into the white community via interracial relationship and or "safe black guy" that is overtly tokenized and yet undervalued. Yes indeed, the sketchiness continues 👀👀
Cops and military. Especially in movies, you get a **lot** of black army guys. Also, not only have white men been crossdressing for humour for centuries till today (Hairspray being particularly insulting), but I know for a fact the Wayans brothers came up with the idea for "White Chicks" independently, after a number of successful movies with zero crossdressing, and also had to **convince** the studio to greenlight it Tyler Perry came up with Madea all on his own. A lot of these SNL writers wrote their own skits and dressed they own selves up. They didn't think dressing up to insult women was taking away from their masculinity at all. If anything, it was **affirming** how secure they felt in their own masculinity. Very much like Simu Liu especially in the Barbie movie. The Kens were meant to lean into the gay stereotypes as a way to conversely affirm their masculinity and heterosexuality I know a lot of dads who dressed up on coconut bras and hula skirts for parties in the 90s-2000s because that's just what the fun, cool guys did. The party animals. Lip-synching to Britney Spears with big balloons stuffed in their shirts. Guys in school would stuff balls up their shirts and "jokingly" pretend to have boobs and insult the girls around them for not having such big jumblies 🙄🙄🙄
Nah no one forced these beta men to do anything 1:26 . They chose to accept those scripts for money. Stop making grown men a victim of their own actions.
I hate that when people bring up black men in dresses for comedy they ignore that these men's portrayal is based on them humiliating black women.
Exactly that’s why idgaf about the whole kat williams thing because they don’t care about dressing up as pimps but draw the line at dresses, these bm always think their some poets 😒like I do understand the whole dress emasculation thing but they be real picky and choosy it is all I’m sayin
Thank you because that’s what it is. That’s why they have no reason doing it.
Exactly
Facts. This is sorely ignored in these conversations.
Katt’s missing the mark on this probably because of his own homophobia. The biggest problem with black hetero male comedians crossdressing is that they commodify mocking black women in the process. Tee Noir did a video about this, “The Market of Humiliating Black Women.”
First I saw a Kat Blaque fan and now a Tee Noir fan?! I think I finally found my social media tribe 😭
This is the reality that no one wants to really talk about.
Thank you for saying this. My thoughts exactly.
Tyler Perry chooses to wear those dresses.
He brags on how he likes it. Must we forget that it’s humiliating women. But oh no poor Tyler Perry
I’ve heard this point brought up by Black comedians/ actors a lot, and I’m totally here for that conversation as well as a conversation on the stereotypes and mockery that is simultaneously being made of Black women in their “portrayal.
This isn’t a matter of race, but the degradation of women in general. White men play women in drag all of the time. If we would take race out of the equation on this matter, we would have more support as all races of women are affected by this kind of sexism
It's BLACKFACE by Black Men
This video topic reminded me of Kat Blaque discussing her experiences interacting with male crossdressers. Kat Blaque made a few videos about why she hates cis straight male crossdressers (and how a lot of them are sexist, homophobic, and transphobic) and differentiates them from drag queens and actual gender non-conforming men that just want to wear clothing that is coded feminine.
It’s so refreshing and reassuring to see a Kat Blaque fan here ❤
Wouldn’t that essentially be a mark against cis people’s freedom to wear non gender conforming fashion without it having to affect their sexuality or gender?
@@Kate-kj2ti This is how Kat explained it. A lot of cis straight men (and cis queer men with internalized queerphobia) crossdress to mock women, girls, and femininity and are extremely transphobic toward trans gals like her. Drag queens dress up as female celebrities and female characters because they like and respect women and girls and femininity. It is possible for a cis man to wear feminine clothes without being sexist or mocking femininity, but you have to know how to spot them. Basically, learning this skill helps you see the difference between guys like Steven Crowder & Tyler Perry and guys like Harry Styles & Vince from Recess & Steven from Steven Universe.
@@Kate-kj2ti Woah there, I see you may be teetering into the "anti-authoritarian" narrative. A person can be a crossdresser and still be called out for being a sexist/homophobic/transphobic bigot.
@@Kate-kj2ti Not necessarily, because more often than not, a lot of cis male straight crossdressers do it to mock or belittle women. This may not be the case for all of them, but it is a lot of the majority. We shouldn't target them or claim that they shouldn't do so because not all cis straight men are the same. However, how many cis straight guys do you know in Hollywood actually want to be openly kind to women along with the portrayal of women? Especially in the context of crossdressing. It's also very interesting that the standard of a man to be actually accepting/kind to a woman is either because he's gay or simply non-conforming. It's crazy how many straight men delved into the "alpha male" path and then get progressively worse, because god forbid they learn to accept others who do not share the same views/ideologies they do, and god forbid that a woman isn't a full blown traditionalist. It's a huge slap in the face.
They're not forced, incentivised, paid and so on, but not forced.
Tyler Perry wasn't forced to play Madea, He ran that trope for decades in theatres before moving it to Cinema and T.V.
One can acknowledge how racist and toxic Hollywood representation is.
Yet these actors, for the most, make choice into what roles they want to interpret.
They chose the 💰 over their integrity and humanity, they can stand in It.
They choose money over humiliating women and what their misogynistic view of women are.
Just like with black face, but this time I feel like they are trying to mock black woman. The black men agree to it not realizing what Hollywood was doing.
They weren’t forced, they made those decisions.🤡🤷🏽♀️😂
That’s correct, they should’ve “chose better” 🥴.
Exactly. Tyler Perry became a millionaire doing it. No one forced him
Thank. They have become very wealthy doing it as well.
They need to play something non-threatening to society's status quo
They are already, non threatening 😂to men that run the global economy
Once they stop living up to those stereotypes then maybe they can complain.
BS. They are making fun of black women for white audiences. It is no different than a minstrel show.
There is a huge list of white comedians who have also done drag for movies. The idea that black men are being emasculated is counter productive to the systems of oppression that also paints them as a threat.
Yup I think Kat was trying to say that these famous black actors just take the roles and don’t try to challenge them or forge a different path for black actors
I agree and he didn’t delve deeper into the WHY? There is that 4th grade lesson: Who, What, When, Where, Why and How? I swear if we just applied these words at the beginning of a questioning we’d have some actual answers.
This is so fascinating!!!
James baldwin talked about this a lot too - he was spot on in all of his interviews
Minstrelsy.
Noxeema Jackson for sure an outlier on this cop to old lady spectrum
Awesome Point Kiera!!!!
Yes, the misogynoir is definitely a theme in the media (especially in white spaces). My brother is very tall and tends to be insecure about his size so he will in turn buck break and "size himself down" in hopes of being accepted in these spaces. Black men definitely have a tendency to attack black women about our size in hopes of aligning with white culture and essentially being "pick me's" in hopes of gaining said white acceptance over black women. In the media, black men are only put on display to pander to black love in hopes of gaining black revenue or (to your point) playing a character that is accepted into the white community via interracial relationship and or "safe black guy" that is overtly tokenized and yet undervalued. Yes indeed, the sketchiness continues 👀👀
Cops and military. Especially in movies, you get a **lot** of black army guys.
Also, not only have white men been crossdressing for humour for centuries till today (Hairspray being particularly insulting), but I know for a fact the Wayans brothers came up with the idea for "White Chicks" independently, after a number of successful movies with zero crossdressing, and also had to **convince** the studio to greenlight it
Tyler Perry came up with Madea all on his own. A lot of these SNL writers wrote their own skits and dressed they own selves up. They didn't think dressing up to insult women was taking away from their masculinity at all. If anything, it was **affirming** how secure they felt in their own masculinity.
Very much like Simu Liu especially in the Barbie movie. The Kens were meant to lean into the gay stereotypes as a way to conversely affirm their masculinity and heterosexuality
I know a lot of dads who dressed up on coconut bras and hula skirts for parties in the 90s-2000s because that's just what the fun, cool guys did. The party animals. Lip-synching to Britney Spears with big balloons stuffed in their shirts.
Guys in school would stuff balls up their shirts and "jokingly" pretend to have boobs and insult the girls around them for not having such big jumblies 🙄🙄🙄
Was watching boondocks and had a man dressed up as a woman, and wondered why they’d do this. Interesting perspective
Gawt dayum David is FIEEOOOONNNNNN (fine AF) 😍🥰🥰😍
Idk the first black actor I think of is ice cube and he didn’t do that
Girl I watched Madea because it was funny not everything is about race…
This is just womanface tbh
Nah no one forced these beta men to do anything 1:26 . They chose to accept those scripts for money. Stop making grown men a victim of their own actions.