2023 Qatar Grand Prix Race Review | P1 Podcast
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Redbull cant risk 2024 championship with Perez. Lando/Oscar, Lewis/George and Charles/Carlos -with improving cars; cant risk it.
Every single team has a duo, meanwhile Max had to carry Redbull alone. Checo should've been gone but there's no replacement ready yet
@@mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168 obviously every team has a duo. The ones I listed are strong and will be vital in 2024 as cars are closing the gap.
He'll be out of that seat before the end of the season
I have a feeling that next year will be pretty much the same as this year , I think RBR has already spending a lot of money on next years car , while the competition is spending the same on improving this seasons car .
Aston Martin willing to to trade for Stroll lol
Yakking in your helmet on lap 15 of a 57 lap race and continuing to the end is pretty fucking savage.
The smell alone…
Button did it in one race that I know of. He also had a problem with his helmet in another race, when he was having to drive with a hand on his helmet on the straights because it was lifting up and choking him to the point where he was greying out! Didn't retire in either race.
@@y_fam_goeglyddidn't Webber do it aswell at fuji in 2007 can't remember whether it was on formation lap or at a different point I know he had good poisoning but still was sick in his helmet
I'm guessing he threw up in his mouth and swallowed it.
Still awful. Been there, done that, don't want to do it again.
@@Real28 yeah it's awful I've been there many times never want to be in that position again tastes horrible and feels horrible gene you have to do it to get on with your day
Oscar is on fire. Honestly, winning a sprint and getting two podiums in a row on his rookie season.
@@vanbalzup6481Max ain't winning that race on his debut if the two Mercedes of Lewis and Nico didn't take each other out
@@Tawheed_11pretty much the same for piastri, he wouldn't have finished 2nd if it weren't for the 2 Mercedes crashing in front of him and gaining 4 places because of it. But still a great drive by the rookie, he still needed to finish the job
@@Tommylee3264That Mclaren was quick enough for a double podium even without the Mercs crashing.
@@Absentduck Were they? How do you know? He would've to get past 2 cars before catching the mercs who would've already been secondes up the road.
Maybe they were able, maybe not. We will never know. Catching is not passing.
@@vanbalzup6481 Max had 25 races or so for the switch to RBR and that win. "Within half"...? Nope.
Perez and Stroll’s performances this season make me genuinely question how much they underperformed in the 2020 Racing Point
Nah you can make arguments for Sergio. He got his first race win in that racing point going from last to first in the same year Mercedes had that rocket ship of a car called the W11.
@@jamarij5814not denying Perez’s Sakhir GP was remarkable. It’s more a question of how many more wins/podiums would a higher caliber driver have gotten in that car.
Perez never underperformed in 2020 what are you on about mate, he was fantastic that year, missed 2 races and still finished a comfortable 4th in the championship. Stroll started off strong in 2020 tbf, i remember he was 4th in the championship too at one point, but he did drop off towards the end of the year plus he started getting quite a bit of bad luck
Perez was a solid driver in 2020... not a fluke year since he had put good performances in prior seasons with Force India.
I think the issue is not necessarily caliber but consistency. Perez is clearly capable of performing at a higher level, the handful of wins this season and his first win are proof. But he doesn’t seem to be able to maintain it
McLaren breaking the world record pit stop with the larger tires is definitely a highlight of the race for me, a McLaren fan!
anyone else noticed that Tomny has turned into a George hater this season. George made a couple costly mistakes and was very unlucky. That doesn't make him slow though, as we see in Quali
@@AlexSteenOlsen why post that under a comment about the record pit stop?
@@AdminAbuse He may not have meant to. I've noticed on a plethora of UA-cam channels; sometimes comments end up in other people's comment sections. Whether it's a glitch, or something.
Incredible work when you consider they were probably boiling in those suits and had to do 6 tire changes
@@Blurp3 oh exactly thar happened lol. I made an original comment and it went as reply to this. I have to add that the UA-cam comment section on my phone acts very weird since a couple of months
Absolutely elated for Alfa Romeo.
Zhou from last on grid to p9 in shitbox
Perez in best car, p10😂
Wild…😂😂😂😂
Zhou benefited a lot from the multiple Perez, Gasly and Stroll penalties.
@@soundscape26how is he "benefited", he kept the car on track
@@yamatowolfgang7960 He benefited from their penalties... on track they finished ahead of him.
@@soundscape26 I understand that. but the point is, he managed to put all wheels on track to avoid the penalties. How is that "benefited from others' penalties"
Glad you’re calling the conditions out. Wish more fans understood the seriousness. This is NOT a case of “get good” and try harder, this is what top athletes do. This was a dangerous situation that shouldn’t be repeated.
YES! Do not mess with heat illnesses!! It's not a "toughen up" thing, it's literally the human body FAILING.
@@Trendyfluteyeah it’s literally your body heating up from the inside. if it gets bad enough your organs fail
You only have to look at the Olympic Games, and the decision to move the Marathon and Walking events to basically first thing in the morning, in order to afford the athletes protection fomr the sun. Sadly, with climate change, things are only going to get more severe - are we going to races having to start at 22:00, 23:00, even 01:00?
Having suffered heat stroke a couple of times, I can confirm that it is one of the worst things that can happen to you. In severe cases, you may only get a minute's warning before your brain literally shuts down your body to protect you... seeing your vision turn grey, then white out is frankly terrifying.
Cry more lol.
Qatar was LITERALLY Drive To Survive
guys I don't understand why it's pirelli's fault when the track was finished two weeks before raceweek, the surface was new, F1 decided to race in the desert, with the track full covered of sand with 31° degrees at 11 P.M. Also Matt said that Pirelli should have taken softer tyres than C1, C2 and C3 when the softs literally had 9 laps of life in the sprint race
They should've used c0, c1, and c2 in my opinion for the tyres.
@@edk1124 you can't use softer compounds when c3 in the sprint lasted 9 laps
@@francesco153 I think you got it wrong. It's the smaller the number the harder the tyres. So c0 is the hardest and c5 is the softest.
Well it’s was F1’s fault because they should’ve learned after Turkey 2020 but somehow didn’t. They should’ve brought some kind of support race to help rubber in the track.
It's FIA fault clearly, they chose wrong time to race there, isn't qatar already in contract from 21 why they chise to rece in desert near the summer season
Hamilton didn't cause the crash. I saw Nico run on the track and push him into George.
Nico pushed him allot this year and last year and the year before
Nico Rosberg who beat Lewis Hamilton in the 2016 Formula 1 World Championship in equal machinery? That Nico Rosberg?
@@MrTeexa must be but don't worry Lewis gets beaten allot actually all the time
@@swoosh26 7 x World Champion Lewis?
Holy hamilton is never the case of a crash @hakshustletv in youre eyes right.
💫time stamps💫
0:00 intro & tyre rule
2:43 Matt’s most memorable moment (Mercedes crash)
4:55 question about Mercedes crash
8:41 question about Hamilton’s racecraft
12:27 Tommy’s most memorable moment (about driver health & safety)
20:12 question on how to improve the GP
23:45 track limit violations
32:25 questions about pit stop
37:20 Lando winning the race?
41:54 biggest winners
43:47 biggest losers
46:08 Wednesday predictions
51:10 final thoughts
Thank you for this
The reason why track limits became a thing is because many tracks started removing grass and gravel around corners to improve safety. A car going off slows down more on a track surface than it does on grass/gravel. It was discussed in one of the driver meetings they recorded some years ago about track limits. That is when they needed to start enforcing track limits as the surface no longer enforced it.
Agree completely
And the Losail track being a moto GP track in the first place means they can't build gravel traps. Gravel is the less safe option for moto GP as it guarantees the driver falling of their bike.
@@DJarr216yeah and MotoGP wants to keep Marc Marquez alive so there's no other option. True greats like Valentino just went through the gravel and rejoined at the other side😜
You gotta feel for Logan, man. He just can’t catch a break. I still think Williams should give him a second season. Watching him in F2, he’s 100% capable of so much more.
guys is rubbish
Ikr. I feel like Logan should get at least a second season to show what he can do because just getting one season is not enough in my opinion. Just look at Tsunoda, he was awful in his rookie season but after a few seasons has evolved into a fast driver
@@smokeybandit9760 Exactly. Everybody is quick to jump to conclusions about his future but always forget Yuki in his first season. Crashing and miles behind his teammate. But his next season he evolved a lot and I think that's exactly what will happen to Sargeant. Sargeant was the first placed rookie in F2 and finished 4th in the standings that year, he is capable of much more. It's just execution is his problem every weekend
🙌man deserves a second chance, when latifi gets why not him
Honestly. With not a single team besides AT changing drivers. I think Williams would be insane to not give him another season.
Have y'all seen the cockpit footage of Stroll at the end of the race? He was pretty much stumbling out of his car, barely holding himself up and then basically smashed his body into the ambulance that was standing next to him. They never should have gone through with the race, not like that. Having like half the grid passing out, some throwing up mid race and having to go to the medic afterwards due to heat exposure and dehydration is just not okay. At least they moved the race to December for next year. We'll see how that goes.
Stroll said he was blacking out in the corners.
This was hard to watch he literally falls into the window of the ambulance asking for help.
George waving his hands trying to get air flow to his face, and then lifting his visor during the pit was crazy. All kinds of stuff can't hit their eyes, there's carbon fiber and rubber everywhere.
At least now we know?
I think some of the drivers had stopped giving a damn about track limit near the end of the race. They didn't care anymore and just want the race to be over with.
Just wanted to leave this here: The portuguese broadcast did mention Matt and Tommy at one point of the transmission, and called you two journalists.
They mention your talk with Sainz about the whole reverse grid for the sprint. "Sainz mentioned in a talk with 2 journalists..."
They didn't mention your names but i knew the reference 😂
that’s kinda cool ngl
Speaking of MotoGP tracks. The MotoGP Indian Grand Prix 2 weeks ago, the rider who finished second fainted in parc ferme. Yep it's the Buddh International F1 circuit which was very physical for the riders especially in the fast flowing second sector. And again combined with 30+ degrees and insane humidity...not a surprise this is happening.
And imagine these guys in F1 are sitting in a car in that heat.. :(
This is the first year that 18” tyres were used at this track. Pirelli are going to have to formulate a tyre just for this circuit.
Won't matter how much data pirelli gets if they throw another sketchy new surface on it
Or drop the circuit
@@andrewhazlewood4569 Yeah racing in desert isnt that smart.
Lando will get a win. I love the Lando/ Oscar pairing
I love the pairing and they are great. And I honestly think Landos whinging about team orders will reduce when they can start getting regular wins.
It’s an amazing duo … Oscar already on his level
@@vanbalzup6481come on man he has 4 second lace this year … those are almost wins …. Lando is a top tier driver
@@vanbalzup6481yeah but Lando has grown alot since then. He was pretty much on par with Carlos and Carlos is easily top six of the field when you just look at ability. Oscar just is THAT GOOD. I won't be surprised if he betters Lando next year. I mean, in his rookieseason he has been doing absolutely amazing. If the call comes then Lando should immediately jump to RedBull because Oscar will definitely hurt his reputation.
@@vanbalzup6481to say that someone is capable of getting 11 podiums in f1 but purely due to ability can’t get a win is absurd. It makes no logical sense.
The 3 stop madness wasn't what bugged me, it was knowing how many laps the drivers were going to do before they came in. Knowing when something is going to happen takes all the fun out of it. I think a rule where all drivers must use each compound would create much more excitement and unpredictability. But like you said, this wasn't for entertainment, it was for safety.
Fully agree. You get similar stint lengths in IndyCar, and I love that, but it's up to the driver because the stint length is limited by fuel.
The reason Hamilton went a ways without incidents was because he was almost always up front (same as Max right now). It's easier to avoid incidents when you're up front and even when you're behind, you have such an advantage in points/performance that you know you don't have to force the issue cause you'll take a P2 today, because you know most likely you will get P1 easily next race (or can wait for the other person's tyres to fall off). When you're being raced close, these things go away so all of a sudden it seems like they're "crash happy"
Same thing with Perez... much easier to get into accidents and tangles when you are constantly in the midfield.
@@soundscape26 but Perez has always been in the midfield, he's cracking worse than ever. The only time he looked good was against Stroll, he was dirty against Ocon too
@@mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168 He was yes, he was dubbed the king of the midfield at one point for a reason... the question here is that he has a Red Bull now and should always be at least in the top 5, not in tangles with Hulkenberg, Albon and Magnussen.
You make allot of sense but I still think Lewis lost his race craft when fighting other people because he never really had to race in the merc days.
@@swoosh26 YES HE DID
1. You had a just finished resurfaced track filled with sand
2. Humidity you could swallow and oven on broil heat
3. Cars that could not cool down themselves dissipating even more heat into the cockpits
4. Having to drive at Quali pace for 57 laps straight
5. Drivers wearing their three layers + helmet
6. Drinks bags that contained water was hot as boiled tea
This was awful. To open your helmet during the race to try and get a breeze and be pelted with sand and more heat just relentlessly...I agree, they are so lucky that no driver went off after passing out. I actually wondered for a bit if that is what maybe had happened to Alonso just trying to keep it together in the car. Next year though, the race should be later, so maybe okay. However, I think the FIA needs to sit down with the drivers and call a limit to how hot outside temps + humidity can be for a race before you call it as undrivable. We have that for rain weather, need it for heat.
Given that heat extremes are more and more likely, FIA has to come up with contingencies.
I partly said this during the Watchalong on Twitch. When MotoGP first started the Qatar GP they raced it during the day and they were just the same. They were collapsing on the cooldown lap they were that dehydrated and needed medical attention. They did that for about 4 years before they made it a night race. Another bad one is always the Suzuka 8 Hours, they always say that is worser than any 24 hour race as the heat is that overbearing.
motogp india gp , because too hot , all riders agree shorten the race , like 3,4 lap short or something,
This race had the same problem for me that Indycar has: It all has a feeling of being manufactured and confusing at the same time. These many pit stops are taking away the important management and strategy that are part of F1. And if there was a safety car near the end of the race, so many cars would have been fkd with their tyre situations without it being their fault.
Yeah, right. Having to go flat out all the time in the 'fastest' cars in the world on a closed manicured circuit for just this one race while only having to do 190-192 miles compared to Indycar doing average 350 miles every race with only 2 tire choices. F1 strategy lately-One stop, nurse the tires and go as slow as possible to win. Yeah, what exciting races to watch. Check the pole lap times compared to race times between the two and you will see that Indy races closer to max time. I watch anything with an engine in it and don't hate on any series but will try to educate anybody who doesn't understand the actual differences.
@@ATEC101 If you think that the races are boring when the cars are not going flat out every lap, then I don't know what to tell you. F1 is not a sprint series, management and strategy is a massive element of the entertainment.
What I said was that Indycar has elements that are making the races unclear and at times horribly unfair to the drivers, more so than many other series. And I saw that same thing with the race in Qatar.
I don't agree with mandating the maximum number of laps on a set of tyres but I do think they should try to come up with rules that will give the advantage to the driver who is able to push on every lap. I started watching F1 in the mid 80s and was a Prost fan but his approach of win at the slowest speed possible doesn't make for an exciting race. I guess the problem we have now is there is far too much data available to the teams so they all work out what is the fastest strategy. Was way more interesting when one driver was going slow and steady to make the tyres last the whole race and another was going flat out with a couple of stops.
I was in Lusail for 6 weeks last November for the world cup and a lot of my work was quite physical, there are now rods for how oppressive the heat can be. Without air conditioning in the stadium and in our cabins we would have all become very sick. A lot of us got very sick anyway, one of my colleagues actually passed away during the job - I can't imagine what it would be like in full race gear in a hot car. Absolutely unbelievable.
Was he vaccinated?
@@juliusfucik4011 we all had to be
@@juliusfucik4011i don't think that works for heatstroke
Not a Georgie63 fan, but he truly deserved DOTD... last (after lap 1) to 4th once Toto finally told him to shut up and drive😂, no mistakes and a string of really brilliant overtakes. Worth the ride-along if you have a subscription to F1TV. You'll get a good view of Checo's dirty driving and also a really nice defensive move by Lawson (if he's not driving next year, it'll be a sin).
Lawson isn't driving next year.
@@nadialittle5821
Shame!
Shame!
Shame!
Shame!
@@nadialittle5821 Unless you're an oracle, all you can say at the moment is that he doesn't officially have an F1 seat for next year.
@@ctibpo991 they literally said he’s going to be reserve
@@nadialittle5821 Thanks for stating what we've all heard.
Track limits started being a thing when gravel traps were replaced with tarmc run off. Obviously safety should not be compromised but there is not enough consequence for going wide. More cars are trying overtakes on the outside because they can always go straight on if they are unable to get in front.
Verstappen's fastest lap showed that Red Bull still had some 0.5 seconds per lap in the pocket.
He did have to push a bit more than he wanted, but it didn't look like they were in any danger this race, it was fully managed, except for the pitstop.
Idk onlymax seems to have that inthe tank. Checo just keeps on struggling
You can't conclude from his fastest lap that they had that much pace in pocket per lap.
He put the medium much later than the McLarens, fresh tire + low fuel gives you a lot of lap time.
Max was also the only driver withou track limits.
Yeah. He only pushed for some time when he was asked by the team. Max was managing all throughout the race hence only the 4+sec advantage in the end in which could've been 6-7+sec if not for their 4+sec last pitstop.
just proves how much better than the rest of the field the RB19 is
Zhou defended Perez for 10 laps on an Alfa Romeo with old intermediate tyre and finished ahead of perez whatsoever. Crazy😂
According to one rumor at least this wasn't a perrelli issue. It's said they warned the FIA earlier this year that these curbs weren't appropriate for their tires, but nothing was done.
Hamilton ruined Piastri's race in Italy. He did to George in Suzuka what Max did to him in Brazil but there was no uproar about it. Now this. Hamilton is P2 in the second best car while Alonso is neck and neck with him. And the only reason those two are in the mix for P2 is because Checo has been destroyed by Max in half a season. It's not like I am saying Hamilton is a bad driver, but he is allowed a lot of free passes. I can only imagine the "his spatial awareness is awful" if Verstappen or Vettel did this. This is one of my fav podcasts, but it's crazy how nobody seems to acknowledge that Hamilton makes as many mistakes as any of the other top drivers. 2021 was a prime example. The Abu Dhabi fiasco is often used to cover up the fact that Hamilton made a lot of mistakes that year!
BTW next year Qatar and Abu Dhabi will be the last two races of the season and Qatar will be December 1, so the weather shouldn't be an issue like it was yesterday.
Err...isn't Qatar in the southern hemisphere?
If so, then, December is the HEIGHT of their summer!
@@weedfreer it isn't in the southern hemisphere
@@weedfreerHonestly i’ve got no clue about that but someone else said nov-dec-jan were the best months to have a race Qatar because of slightly better conditions. In 2021 they raced in november and the weather seemed to be better than this years’
@@lamoona4269 oh!
I thought it was in line with ZA...you're probably right though...it's likely more inline with Dubai
@@weedfreer nope, it's in the northern hemisphere .
You've explained it away fairly averagely, but Hamilton is crash happy. In the last 3-4 years he's caused a number of crashes with other drivers with often dire consequences for the other driver. Guys like Sainz & Leclerc just don't seem to do that nearly as much. Hamilton just doesn't get the reputation as a dirty or spatially unaware driver because of two reasons; he always apologises for it and Sky sports would never dare mention it
There are 4 races in the calendar in the Middle East...they can all be held with no issue if its between November upto March . Add to that they are near each other in distance. Bahrain and Saudi are at the beginning of the season, Qatar and AD at the very end. If you schedule Austin or Las Vegas in the middle of the summer then you'll have the same problem. It's bad scheduling by F1. Some people make it sound like the country forced this timing/date, and the drivers just to see them suffer 😂.
Make it mandatory that all race locations must have a maximum temperature limit. Until then, F1 is just putting the drivers at severe health risk.
Nothing wrong with the location, it’s the time of year. From next year, Qatar will be the penultimate round of the season in early December when it’s around 26° (cooler than Singapore in September) as opposed to 37°.
exactly @@OK-fi4yq
@@OK-fi4yq the issue with the location is that is qatar
You think you would target desert races with this measure but it would also cancel like Singapour, Miami ou Monza
@@jrlnas4934that’s fine, temperature is still temperature. It’s a health risk and it needs to be addressed. Miami was at the start of the season during spring so it was fine.
Never do that again, forced pitstops, it’s not racing
And never drive in this heat again, it was irresponsible
I did wish they had the tire age for every car listed beside the timing tower graphic...
I saw it a couple of times. But it wasn't on enough imo
We could drop this motorcycle track from the calendar. That's what could change.
Have you actually watched the races we’ve had in Qatar? Flows beautifully and provides heaps more overtaking opportunities than 90% of the other tracks on the calendar
@@OK-fi4yqYou're right, fuck the drivers and their heat exhaustion.
You're stuck with qatar for the coming 9 years...sooooo good luck....
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I was in Qatar this weekend. Even in the main grandstand which was facing east and thus had an entire afternoon in the shade to cool down plus obviously the night time, it was insanely hot. Only when the race ended and the adrenaline settled down, combined with all the walking to get to the parking lot, did I truly realize the scope of the appalling heat those drivers had been facing for the past hour and a half. However, as someone who lives in the Middle East, I'm sure many other residents will agree with me in saying that this year the end of summer/beginning of fall has been quite a bit hotter than in previous years. Obviously apart from winter it's hot here no matter what but even we've noticed the difference. I can't really speak for Qatar since I haven't been there since the World Cup and have only been to the UAE and Oman during this time, but perhaps the FIA and organizers weren't expecting quite as much heat as we had, plus obviously the issue with the tires that made the drivers push that much harder
Tommy bringing the comedy to the pod, “Dan Ric driving around Austin with his arm in a sling”.
Swapping Qatar and Las Vegas could be a solution for the heat issues. It is probably going to be fairly cold in Vegas at night in November so moving it up to October would help that race also
The tire thing was definitely not confusing especially if you are a avid race watcher. To keep saying it was hard to keep up with is just over drama. The issue like most weekends, is having to watch replay after replay while there us green flag racing going on.
The problem I have with the "yeah but he only went a couple of centimeters off the track" is that the rule is already defined very well in favor of the drivers. They could say "your entire car has to be within the white lines" but no, it is only "any part of the car has to be above the white line". It does not even have to touch it, only be above it. Then when you are "only a couple of cm out" you may as well say that he is a full car width (2 meters) too wide.
Any driver that fears going outside the limit can just aim 2 meters more towards the track and have no problem.
No wonder more drivers did not suffer HEAT STROKE. This was crazy. At least IndyCar has a unit that hooks to the Halo the sends air toward the driver. If F1 had the enclosed Halo there might have been some drivers being over come by the heat, passing out, and causing a wreck. This race should be held toward the start or end of the season. I believe the track limit problem was a result of the weathers effect on the drivers.
The Indycar unit only exists because the enclosed cockpit doesn't allow air inside. The unit blows air at the ambient temp, so it wouldn't have really helped in Qatar
This race was almost on the level of risk as the first Bahrain race in 05 that was during the day where the cars and drivers were borderline cooked. Here’s hoping safety gets put forward for next time.
When it comes to driver ratings this week, Lewis doesn’t deserve more than 3/10 (1/10 if we’re being consistent with Singapore) and George deserves no less than 8/10 (but a 9/10 or even 10/10 would be well earned).
Outqualified twice and what happened at the start, happened. And George had an incredible drive from last to 4th with a damaged car.
George's drive reminded me of Sergio's comeback from last to first at Sakhir
@@georgythomas8451Probably would’ve won in a RB. Or at least P2.
Hamilton recovered to P5 in the sprint & qualified P3. He deserves a 3/10 and not anything less.
@@OG-512Tommy was unfairly harsh on George in Singapore. Giving him a 1/10 there when it was a 3/10.
I’d give Lewis a 3/10 but going by Tommy’s standard it should be 1/10.
@@gameofender4463 Yeah but I think its Because he did it on the final lap. It was unfair, but it is what it is.
The issue with going the IndyCar route on track limits is F1 tracks (mostly) are not prone to automatically policing the limits. They can leave it be in IndyCar because all of their tracks have hard limits that can and will ruin your race if you aren't careful, whether it's grass, sand, or a wall. F1's tracks are predominantly lined with same curbs followed by a further sea of tarmac, while the modern suspension and aero means clobbering the curbs is rarely so big of an issue is it might've been twenty years ago
The track of qatar is not a bad track because there were enough overtakes and enough battles. But the track is just in the wrong country because of the heath
Just at the wrong time of year, next year it’s with Abu Dhabi (where it belongs)
I think it was a really good idea to mix up the strategy because teams would like to minimize risks. On the other hand, you had the chance to see F1 drivers race flat out, not to manage the circumstances.
What George meant to say was: This guy only knows how to drive starting 1st 😂😂😂
My issue with the track limits implementation we have right now is that in Qatar they treated mistakes as violations, instead of choosing to extend to gain an advantage. If someone stays in it on purpose and they go 4 wheels off the track that is a track limits violation. If the driver has had a moment, with significant change to the steering and/or acceleration and braking and they run wide, but rejoin in good faith, that should not be a violation as there is no intent. This would be nearly impossible to police properly though, so while I may not think this is the best implementation, it is the most achievable with the only requirement being proper investment into infrastructure instead of trying to use the bare minimum
What about adapting the race suits to incorporate some kind of an active cooling system?
Adds too much weight is the current explanation
i have a solution if u want to keep track limits. have a drone or camera hanging over the track and calibrated to look straight down at the track lines, similar to the goal line technology in football that determines if a ball has crossed the line or not. implement a similar one on the popular corners for track limits. hang 5 at each corner on the same track boundary line and if 3 of the 5 detect a car has gone over, it can cut the 2 second clip, and flag it for a FIA stwerad’s manual review. the penalties would dish out much quicker
I do hope there is some kind of antagonism between Hamilton and Russell so there is something to talk about for the rest of the season. Angry Toto is great entertainment
I don’t think the results show how George has really stepped up this year. He’s been better than Lewis quite often.
Lewis owning it seemed to put an end to it. I think at this stage in his life he's matured a lot and is more for the team.
I think there is because Russell is not Bottas and can actually challenge Hamilton very often so in a potential title fight next year it will be interesting to see
@@gameofender4463George hasn’t stepped up, its Lewis who has continued with his amazing form he had in the 2nd half of 2022. Goerge has made more mistakes unlike Lewis. Lewis has been unbelievable this season & top 2.
@@OG-512two minor mistakes with big consequences but he’s been better in quali. That’s just a fact.
And would most likely be ahead in the race H2H if not for those mistakes and the team’s errors.
I was at the GP and the mixture of heat and humidity was nothing I’ve ever experienced before even though I’ve lived in the Middle East my whole life. The drivers are not exaggerating. I’ve never sweat so much my entire life and I was only standing.
Silver lining for Mercedes is that this crash wasn't when they were fighting for a win or a championship...
well fighting for 2nd though
Qatar is about 6 weeks later next season, Nov 29-Dec 1, penultimate race and double header with Abu Dhabi. Hopefully, that will help with the temp situation.
As a McLaren Fan, Hate to say, Oscar may get his first win before Lando….
Can get used to Papaya on the Verstapodium Podcast!
Keep up the great work P1
the "high tech sensors blabla" is just a wire loop in the ground and a transponder in the car .... a technology used everywhere for lap time (start/finish strait and every mini sector) .... so the tracks can do it easily
if the driver go over the line he can have a bip in his hear or a message on the dash (no surprise). The teams can have this info in real time and maybe us too (AWS ? ^^)
Although Albon was leading for pretty much a complete lap Max still got a grandslam.
Yes, because in the end Max finished every lap as the race leader. That is the definition of a grand chelem or grand slam.
Fortunately the hot weather broke in Austin last week. We were easily in the upper 90sF just a week ago.
The fact people are STILL blaming George for the collision at start is INSANE!!!
Only the bots are blaming George.
Hamiltons fans may be the most delusional in sports. It’s mind blowing every time.
It’s a legit issue - you cannot just ignore that Russel jammed himself into the position be was in by a sudden left move into occupied space that Hamilton evasively vacated to save both cars. Russel shares a part of the blame.
@@nonionbeezness Hamilton had 3 car widths available to the outside of the track, George was against Verstappens wheels. You’re certifiable.
@@ogreman2229 I’m not saying Hamilton was innocent but Russel created that situation by forcing his way between the cars where there was no room some 100-200m before the corner started. You’re ignoring this precursor - and that isn’t a proper evaluation of the situation.
Perhaps there should be a mandatory standardized driver cooling vent in the nose of the car that directs air through a hose that interfaces with a port inside a leg of the drivers suit to help keep the driver cool in hot weather. If every car on the grid must run a port with a mimimum cross section at the point of maximum aerodynamic pressure on the nose of the car then there will be an identical loss in performance for every team. Allow teams to plug the port in cool weather and in the rain, but mandate it to be open when the temperature and humidity cross certain thresholds.
As for track limits, make the outside edge of the kerbs slope away from the track in a sinusoidal fashion so if you put a tire over the edge the car will naturally not rejoin the circuit in a comfortable manner. Have the reverse slope taper off all the way to non-existent as you approach the exit of the curve so at the slowest point of the curve is where the car most naturally wants to rejoin the track. This way if a driver drops a wheel over the white line they are forced to slow down and ride the curve all the way to the end instead of making a v like they are supposed to. This will negate any possible advantage to going wide while also keeping the tarmac run off which slows the cars in the event of an accident.
I think the greed of F1 and liberty media is putting in danger the drivers at this point... they have the attitude that drivers should be happy they are in F1 and shut up and drive... I agree for logistics maybe have it before abuDabi .. casue this track is pretty nice and fun to watch...
Track limits solution: strict for qualy, as that's the test for the driver. For the race, add a greater tolerance to avoid small mm slips translating to penalties which ends up looking like a farce.
imagine the drama if george got understeer as hamilton turned in
George didn't even "hit the apex" lol.
Just a thought. How about repaint the white lines on the exits of some corners. Like make the white line wider on the exit.
Goat F1 Channel! Love the energy guys
- I think Hamilon has always complained that he is seating too much forward in the car, and he has not a good feeling of the rear... This is at least the second time it happened this year. Remember the race when he almost took out Piastri...
- When I saw Hamilton on slick, I immediately thought that, Mercedes are somehow scarifying Hamilton, to jump Max, and slow him down, and mix up RB strategy... So I though that Russel would be leaving room to Hamilton, no matter what... but he squeezed left.../ I would have kept the car behind Max, checked my mirrors, specially that my teammate is on slick tires!
*soft tires
Russell squeezed? What drugs are you on?
If Redbull keep Checo for 2024 they are in big trouble if they want to win the Constructors Championship.
His form has been terrible but he got absolutely hosed with having to use the hards for no gain. Had the hards been allowed to be used longer it would’ve been different but having that hard stop being the same for every tire means that the hards were pointless.
@@thats_absrd You forgetting that he has had bad race weekends after bad race weekends?
@@swim4757 what does “his form has been terrible” mean to you?
Got to say, McLaren were really good all weekend. Had pace for pole arugably both days. Did the right decision telling Lando to hold off (even as a mclaren fan, I wanted to see them race), and a quick pitstop.
The problem with sensors is that every team would be appealing every penalty because of sensors not being perfect. As happened with fuel flow sensors in the past.
Higher kerbs would be "dangerous"
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Track Limits ..... Here's an idea: How about doing something similar to the penalty points system whereby the warning gets negated after a set number of laps (say 10 laps) without an infringement. That way drivers won't get penalised for the odd few wobbles over a 50-70 lap race.
If guys in there 20s were struggling in that race shoutout Alonso for being p6
Other sports do have the out of bounds issue. American football has rules about leaving the field and re-entering. They have multiple officials that are looking after this stuff the whole time. If you go out, you're out. I don't see this as an issue. Quicker review is what they need. That's the change that "fixes" this.
Except football is one single straight line that's 300 feet long, with dozens of people watching it.
Hardly comparable to 3-5miles if curvy track, and 20 cars that can change direction maybe/maybe not cutting a line by a mm.
You'd need thousands of people to watch every corner, from every angle, for every car, the whole race.
It looks to me like Hamilton was meant to get in front of Max & hold him up, giving George a chance later on. Just an accident
Yes. They should have planned better as Lewis would have gone off but have to pit much sooner
The thing with tires this race is that it didn’t really affect strategy much. Everyone was on pretty much one of two strategies, so not much variance there which is what causes tension and more racing imo
FIA should mandate a cool suit that connects to a radiator inside the car for hot races like these.
Maybe also mandate teams to add a thicker firewall to keep cockpit temperature to a minimum.
What they should have done with the tires and graphics was just put a number for the laps remaining behind the drivers in the color of the tire fitted. Instead of the s/m/h that they normally had, same size, loose the ring (or just use that to indicate the compound).
George is way better than Bottas. He’s never going to give up to anyone unless the team tells him to. He’s ruthless like Max.
True. George replacing him was the best choice.
🙌I like he fights for himself too not a servant like bottas.
I think the pit stops should have been left to the teams to decide. If a tire explodes, it’s the team/driver’s fault for not managing the tires properly.
I hope you're a kid writing this.
Max's fastest lap during the race was almost as fast as Lewis's fastest qualifying lap and you guys still think Lewis might have had a chance? 🤣
George Russell, who is not nearly as good as Lewis went from last to p4 with damage to his car. So yeah, Lewis had a shot if his team hadn't put him on the dumbest tyre strategy ever.
I think for track limits you could hire a former quality f1 driver or use one you have on staff and have them highlight the areas on each circuit in which you could gain an advantage by leaving the track and have those areas put out at the briefs and have only those areas policed where the rest of the incidents are allowed minus other rule breaks.
That has the potential to make everything even more confusing. AFAIK, none of the top 5 had a TL penalty, if they can do it while being the fastest, the others should be able to do it too.
I’m looking forward the McLaren story all season on next season’s Drive to Survive
It is penciled in for later in the season next year, December 1st and penultimate round of the season.
This is what I think about track limits:
This is your job, keep it within the lines, we are paying you to drive within the limits and rules. If you can’t we will get someone that can. Buy Perez 😢 good luck out there.
All they needed to do to help us keep track of things better was to rotate the info on the tower on the left more frequently so we could see pretty readily how old each driver's tyres were (I swear they've showed that in every race this year but I don't recall seeing it once on Sunday) and also the history of the tyres they've used.
Honestly It probably seems like Lewis got a lot more incidents in last 3 years than before because he actually started racing people without an enormous car advantage, back when max was fiting in the top midfield he had some crashes too.
Its just a natural phenomenon i guess. Every driver who was dominatin in the past, when placed in a more midfield car, will be seen as more 'crash prone'. When in fact, it cld probably be just matter of perception
At one point in the race, Russell was behind Perez and yet he finished 4th with 4 stops while perez finished 10th with 3 stops and 2 5 second penalties
Oscar did a fabulous job, go Aussie, not enough hype over Oscar can’t wait for Melbourne 🧡👏🏻😍
Not enough is being said about the heat exhaustion. Their needs to be a maximum temperature to race in, like when it's too wet to race.
I wouldn’t say Hamilton has been outstanding this season at all. It’s more he’s been consistent and logged good points. Can’t think of a stand out drive by him this season
He's literally almost p2, what the hell else can he do? George is fking p8 in the same car for Christ sakes. The car is shit, they have a frankenstein far, and he's almost beating a rocketship.
Sometimes runnning wide you can gain an advantage, people could exploit certain corners to gain time. I think its good they police it this way. I personally like when people get penalized, changes up the order out of nowhere and raises the pressure on drivers while also providing intriguing situations when they get warnings.
I don't think Russell has the same level of pressure that Lewis was under with Fernando simply because he's already had a season under his belt where he beat Hamilton pretty solidly
There's more expectation in some way, because he had 3 years of media hype before he got to Merc.
Two things about the track limits issue:
1. If you give them a pass for 2 cms, what happens when it is 4 cms? People will argue it is the same.
2. When they have tried proper curbs on the exits of corners as a deterrent, the drivers scream about how dangerous it is.
You can argue about track limits, but Max managed to win with no track limit violations.
I agree with the track limits, but drivers must be able to see the lines.
Imagine a 25 year old Hamilton without any championship.. Everybody would say he is immature and crash happy.. If Russell had held his line in Suzuka, I wonder
Lewis has only crashed out on the first lap 6 times in 327 races over 17 seasons. He's literally the least crash happy person statistically on this grid.
@@joshn1678This is such an intentionally misleading stat. You only take first lap incidents, you don't take into account how many races Lewis was cruising in front because he had partymode on lap 1 and qualifying etc.
I may be wrong but I think Pirelli did bring up the issue about the tires early on.
Everyone almost died in their cars and Max jumping on his car and punching air.
Max is a robot remember