Genoese Crossbowmen | Some of the Most Sought-After Mercenaries of Europe

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  • @SandRhomanHistory
    @SandRhomanHistory  2 роки тому +66

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    • @gabrielvanhauten4169
      @gabrielvanhauten4169 2 роки тому

      more merc videos pls

    • @laonch6073
      @laonch6073 2 роки тому

      Just a tip. In Italian, Guglielmo is spelled with the first G hard, like "Gucci"

    • @claas.relotius
      @claas.relotius 2 роки тому

      @@laonch6073 no, it's spelled Wilhelmo

    • @C05597641
      @C05597641 Рік тому

      Totally guessing here but maybe the English raiding so many towns made the French over eager to catch them and both the french knights and the genoese crossbowmen had left a lot of their equipment in the slow moving caravan, severely reducing their effectiveness against longbows and this was made even worse by commanders telling them to attack over and over anyway due to their numbers advantage and eventually the French army was spent.

    • @Shoshana-xh6hc
      @Shoshana-xh6hc Рік тому

      COR not corpse, as in the French word for body.

  • @Typhy7
    @Typhy7 2 роки тому +2778

    Of course they were the most sought after. After all they have +5 bonus damage against cavalry, camels and elephants and +7 with the Elite upgrade.

    • @aniellord7088
      @aniellord7088 2 роки тому +209

      Genoese Crossbowmen in loose formation 😭

    • @andreivarbanov3528
      @andreivarbanov3528 2 роки тому +253

      Don't forget their ability to survive a single Mangonel shot with their relatively high HP for a ranged unit

    • @reeso7539
      @reeso7539 2 роки тому +91

      Don’t forget about the tech that make carts cheaper, really useful

    • @mgwilson8183
      @mgwilson8183 2 роки тому +80

      And combine them with cheaper bombards to cut through skirms. Also, ally them with Dravidians to get a wicked Condotierro with armor-piercing abilities.

    • @varunmanjunath9123
      @varunmanjunath9123 2 роки тому +27

      ​@@andreivarbanov3528 "weak vs siege weapons"
      yeah right

  • @h3069
    @h3069 2 роки тому +560

    The most dedicated Rhodok cosplayers I've ever seen

    • @Buliwyf90
      @Buliwyf90 Рік тому +30

      Rhodok stands

    • @tomsonlarrson3318
      @tomsonlarrson3318 Рік тому +6

      Bro set up pavise or whatever that shield was and rain hellfire

    • @senorali
      @senorali Рік тому +23

      Those firing lines were the only thing that stood a chance against the Khergits.

    • @berankb
      @berankb Рік тому +6

      Grünwalder approves!

    • @johnnylarry4242
      @johnnylarry4242 10 місяців тому +3

      Wtf is rhodok

  • @MarcMagma
    @MarcMagma 2 роки тому +784

    Man, this brings back memorys.
    I so hated going against these guys in Medival II: Total War.

    • @IceniTotalWar
      @IceniTotalWar 2 роки тому +41

      I still do hate it/them ! 😁😁. Playing Tsardoms Total War and they're still a pain in mods.

    • @gabrielvanhauten4169
      @gabrielvanhauten4169 2 роки тому +5

      yeah nothig changed. so difficult

    • @mariushunger8755
      @mariushunger8755 2 роки тому +2

      Same as always. Better chose the right side

    • @heretyk_1337
      @heretyk_1337 2 роки тому +36

      I prefer to use cavalry heavy factions- always run them down with lighter and quicker horses, attacking from behind- even during sieges- works like a charm
      As Poland- i had many "historical" victories against Denmark, Milan and Venice especially- because i could run them down having 300- 400 men against their 1200 or something like that
      Polish Nobles rule as unit against those

    • @adrianrichardson5257
      @adrianrichardson5257 2 роки тому +9

      I was much more scared of the peasant crossbowmen from the moors

  • @darthplagueis13
    @darthplagueis13 2 роки тому +961

    Thanks for providing a proper describtion of the battle of Crécy. People tend to cite it as ultimate proof that english longbowmen were superior to crossbowmen, ignoring the fact that in this battle the crossbowmen were basically rendered useless by incompetent leadership forcing them to engage an enemy who had a superior position without their proper equipment. The genoese crossbowmen at their worst got beaten by english longbowmen at their best, which doesn't say all that much.

    • @Bonkers4Hex
      @Bonkers4Hex 2 роки тому +34

      I take it you are not English then?

    • @samdumaquis2033
      @samdumaquis2033 2 роки тому +24

      Well the English longbowmen were exhausted and sick from their campaign weren't they ?

    • @Bonkers4Hex
      @Bonkers4Hex 2 роки тому

      ua-cam.com/video/0f8E3LAxY0o/v-deo.html

    • @herbertgearing1702
      @herbertgearing1702 2 роки тому +1

      I hardly think anyone on the English side was "at their best" that day. From what I've read the disenteary epidemic that was raging through the English army played a role in their decision to make a stand against a numerically superior army with a massive cavalry advantage. Cavalry which was the most formidable in the world at the time and made the idea of fighting them a daunting undertaking best avoided if you had other options. I'm guessing a Lance through the chest might be preferable to shitting yourself to death.

    • @maniak942
      @maniak942 2 роки тому +164

      @@samdumaquis2033 The crossbowmen as well just finished marching haven't they? I would rather be tired than non-armoured and out of positioned

  • @boomer19450
    @boomer19450 2 роки тому +362

    Using crossbow and shield might not look like a huge leap of logic in hindsight, but back in the day it was so groundbreaking that regular infantry might as well fought Elites with energy shielding.

  • @DanyGasta89
    @DanyGasta89 2 роки тому +84

    The Grimaldi and Doria families still hold a great deal of importance to this day here. Why, I can just now peer out of the window and see a giant cruise ship with the name "Grimaldi" painted on it. xD

    • @bernardodagostino8049
      @bernardodagostino8049 2 роки тому +13

      Well, the Grimaldi are still the ruling house of the Principality of Monaco

    • @qdaniele97
      @qdaniele97 8 місяців тому +2

      ​@@bernardodagostino8049 Those are an offshoot of the Genoese family

    • @FutureHH
      @FutureHH 7 місяців тому

      I didn't know they were the same Grimaldi

  • @petertimowreef9085
    @petertimowreef9085 2 роки тому +121

    I knew crossbows where placed on the ground to reload, but I never realised they used a hook for it. Holy cow that's genius, using your hands you're still limited by the muscles in your forearm that need to grip the string, but with the hook you can use the full force of our body's strongest muscles in our upper legs.

    • @megalonoobiacinc4863
      @megalonoobiacinc4863 2 роки тому +14

      i have seen similar methods to really tighten a knot, but this is really stupid simple and stupid effective. If only gunpowder hadn't been developed crossbows would probably have dominated wars to this day

    • @bambostarla6259
      @bambostarla6259 Рік тому +4

      Longbows were also more effective per say, but crossbows were easier to use, and thats why they were a more efficient weapon as a whole

    • @Chadius_Thundercock
      @Chadius_Thundercock Рік тому +12

      @@bambostarla6259the issue with bows is that bows require a lifetime of training, and losing even one archer was a lose of multiple years of training

    • @BiggestCorvid
      @BiggestCorvid Рік тому +2

      ​@@Chadius_ThundercockI remember an account where a British guy got a crossbow, kidnapped a woman, shot her dad with the crossbow, went off to the woods, and then got hunted and killed. The chronicler left a whole, "kids these days have no values" thing.

  • @matteoorlandi856
    @matteoorlandi856 2 роки тому +242

    An interesting thing about the Genova's "contract culture". Contracts were everything and ruled every working Activity in Genova, and were of 2 tipes. With, or without, the "mugugno" wich Is a genovese Word translated as "complaining, in a annoing way, that NEVER stop". So how It works: you can be offered the contract with the mugugno, lover pay BUT the ability to complain about... Everything you was ordered to do, or without the mugugno: pay was Better but you cannot complain about anything. Now, people from Liguria and Genova expecially are famous for theyr greedynes, so the contracts were almost exclusivly with the mugugno, and still are today :)

    • @EdinSaonensis1
      @EdinSaonensis1 2 роки тому +40

      Belin, fré una pillola così bella mi ha tolto la voglia di mugugnare per almeno cinque minuti

    • @Janshevik
      @Janshevik 2 роки тому +2

      haha

    • @CanalTremocos
      @CanalTremocos 2 роки тому

      As a portuguese I say give me mugugno or give me death.

    • @paradoxicalpanda7954
      @paradoxicalpanda7954 2 роки тому +6

      I worked somewhere for the lowest possible pay whilst there whole business depending on you giving customers a good happy experience/interaction, and you weren't allowed to complain despite the awful working conditions whilst they profited £700,000 a week.

    • @123TeeMee
      @123TeeMee 2 роки тому +5

      @@paradoxicalpanda7954 Can you think of any red flags there might have been, in hindsight?

  • @christopherg2347
    @christopherg2347 2 роки тому +209

    Crece was a battle where the Noble Knights managed to "Snatch defeat from the Jaws of Victory".
    Had they just waited for the gear and infantry to catch up - as well as the ground to dry - they could probably have defeated that position. Other examples include the "Battle of the Golden Spurs". And I think there was a similar one during a northern crusade?

    • @Osvath97
      @Osvath97 2 роки тому +56

      But one has to balance it against all the times quick charges by knights won battles. Like the destruction of the Mongol vanguard during the Battle of Mohi, or when Barbarossa's army charged itself out of an encirclement, or the impromptu charge during Richard the Lionheart's march along the coast. This channel even brought up an example where James the Conqueror tried to have his veteran infantry charge a castle-breach, defended by a phalanx-like formation, and after the veteran infantry refused to attack, the mounted knights instead advanced and won against the phalanx-like formation after several charges. Let's remember that one of the most numerically impressive victories in history was with an exhausted knight-based army charging a militia-based army about 6 - 60 times its own size, during the Battle of Monte Porzio (all though during that battle, it was not a simple single charge, but a lot of well-disciplined timing related to several charges, with skillful maneuvering on a larger force).
      All those battles in which knights charged prematurely stemmed from all the times the knights charged and instead won. There was a reason that the tactic of aggressive charges was so common, because it often worked. If one looks only at the exceptions however, one will get a very skewed view.

    • @vinz4066
      @vinz4066 2 роки тому +5

      @@Osvath97
      Of all the languages you speak facts
      Also the english used knights too

    • @Osvath97
      @Osvath97 2 роки тому +24

      @@vinz4066 You are correct, in those famous English defensive battles where the French charged prematurely, the English were commanded by knights, and the frontline fighting was done by the dismounted English knights to a disproportionately large degree (well, "man-at-arms" is the technical military terminology of the time, but in this context it mostly means armed men from the noble knightly class, even though most of them were technically squires in this period). So to suggest, as some people seem to, that they were some kind of "battles between the classes" is quite frankly ridiculous. Both sides were controlled by knights. Even during the Battle of the Golden Spurs, which is even more commonly depicted as a battle between the classes, 4 of the 6 Flemish commanders were still knights.
      The Battle of Patay is an excellent example of what a quick mounted charge can do to effectively deal with longbowmen. A force of 5000 English longbowmen managed to reveal their position to French scouts, by raising a hunting cry at a wandering stag... 180 French knights charged down 500 longbowmen, they were then joined by 1300 additional knights, and they inflicted about 2500 casualties on the English longbowmen, with only about 100 suffered on their own side.
      But how often does anyone hear about the Battle of Patay...?

    • @wojtek1582
      @wojtek1582 2 роки тому +9

      Nikopolis 1396 - another example of "French knights charge without thinking and lose".

    • @Osvath97
      @Osvath97 2 роки тому +15

      @@wojtek1582 With both Hungarian knights and experienced ones of the French knights recommending them not to, but they were overshadowed by two young hotheaded French knights, who were advisers to the French commander.
      It was not a case of knights just seeing red and charging, it was an actual decision made by a few inexperienced poor commanders, with other commanders, also knights, trying to convince them not to.

  • @legrognard7827
    @legrognard7827 2 роки тому +56

    *Genoese crossbowmen* : take some steps back
    *French knights* : « And I took that personally »

    • @emanuelefiorentino8831
      @emanuelefiorentino8831 2 роки тому +5

      Genoese Luigi Giribetto (Louis Giribaut) invented rotating carriages to better maneuver culverins, really helping Jean Bureau in creating the poweful french artillery which won french war (despite the french vile massacre of genoese crossbowmen).
      France: "I never said thank you".
      Genoa: "And you'll never have to" (proceeds jumping into the void to defend Constantinople and discover America) 😎🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

  • @kristiawanindriyanto5765
    @kristiawanindriyanto5765 2 роки тому +92

    The discussion of Genoa, and by extension the Genoese Crossbowman is really fascinating, especially compared to the much more researched history of Venice for example

    • @emanuelefiorentino8831
      @emanuelefiorentino8831 2 роки тому +19

      As a Genoese, I deeply appreciate your comment. People thinks only to Florence and Venice with respect to Medieval and Renaissance Italy, but the city of Embriaco (who made first Crusade "successful"), Columbus, Andrea Doria, Mazzini (father of "Young Italy" and "Young Europe"), Mameli (writing the anthem), Novaro (giving music to anthem), the land of Bonaparte and Garibaldi families is not exactly a side note of History. Of course we have pride but we are still self-critical with Crimes commited in wars, values luckily have changed for the better, but our city was really the Republican (and Socialist) hearth of unified Italy 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿😎🇮🇹

    • @funguy398
      @funguy398 Рік тому +1

      I like to play as Genoa in Medieval 2 Total war in a mod Stainless Steel 6.4, because they have 1 sneaky city in a Crimea, merchant Italian faction with great possibility for diplomacy and trade.

  • @Usammityduzntafraidofanythin
    @Usammityduzntafraidofanythin 2 роки тому +49

    7:00 - That might explain why crossbows weren't mixed in with pikes very early in history. The pavisse carriers already had their own long spears? That would make it a sort of mixed formation of 50/50 crossbow/spears already.

    • @Wow22109
      @Wow22109 2 роки тому +2

      Ah yes; that was a question that I was asking for a long time, many theories but little to no real explanation of the reason of not incorporating crossbows abd spears. But you had archer with infantry already i guess it is similar.

    • @hansoskar1911
      @hansoskar1911 2 роки тому +2

      the crossbows were first used to defend from static protected positions like walls and ships so they werent threatened by kngihts. the pavise were mainly vs enemy projectile fire they werent really spears that would threaten armoured knights. But the Crossbowbolts already did that so they werent sitting ducks like normal archers.

    • @kovona
      @kovona Місяць тому

      So they were basically hybrid builds in Battle Brothers.

  • @andreascovano7742
    @andreascovano7742 2 роки тому +116

    2:22 I suspect that they formed specifically to meet the requirements of the Genoese Naval wars against the saracen pirates. The crossbow is the preffered method in Italy due to the high number of sieges, and was particularly preferabble in Naval Battles, which the Sea repubblics fought a LOT, since accuracy and strength and more importantly timing were more crucial than speed or quantity in that enviroment.
    2:53 The funny thing is that Genoese came to be known as a catch all term for Italian Mercenary outside of italy. So if you met a mercenary of Italian origin in germany for example, he'd be called a genoese even if he never even seen the sea. Similarly "Lombard" was the catch all term for Italian merchants outside of italy, even though a lot came from genoa and tuscany and not necessarily lombardy. (This is similar how the term viking was a catch all term for scandinavians pillaging europe, regardless if the were swedes, norwegians or danes).
    4:36 whilst it is true to some extent that Longbows required training to be used (One needed to build up special muscles to use the longbow properly), It is a bit of a misnomer to say that the crossbow required little training. Sure for the average militia maybe an hour or two could have sufficed. But that could also have sufficed to get a "good enough" result also for regular bowmen. It's like comparing conscripts to professional soldiers in modern armies since they both use guns. Reload speed, accuracy, battle effectiveness increased with skill and time.
    10:43 it is unfortunate that this is their most famous battle. It makes sense since this battle is known in the Anglosphere because it involved the english. But if you asked a Genoese, they might say that the battles of Curzola and Meloria at 7:28 were far more indicative (especially Curzola) and the various sieges of the Fondachi (Merchant quarters) all over the mediterranean show them off in a better light. Like the famous siege of Kaffa where the Genoese beat the Mongols during the siege (later plague not withstanding). In fact the mongols used the Genoese themselves against the Russians at Kulikovo Field.

    • @shorewall
      @shorewall 2 роки тому +14

      I always play the "what if" on how to defeat the Mongols and such types are armies. And Genoese Crossbowmen definitely play a big part, as well as armored knights.
      Also, you could make a good combined arms army out of mercenaries, if you got Swiss Pikemen, Genoese Crossbowmen, and German Black Riders. :D

    • @kurokami007
      @kurokami007 2 роки тому +2

      You really think 2 hours is enough to get a "good enough" archer?

    • @andreascovano7742
      @andreascovano7742 2 роки тому +3

      @@kurokami007 Yes. For a mass volley it is enough.

    • @jake4194
      @jake4194 2 роки тому +6

      You can't get an archer in 2 hours, show me an average man that can shoot a 120lb+ bow, let alone do it well!

    • @andreascovano7742
      @andreascovano7742 2 роки тому +2

      @@jake4194 That's why I said regular bow and not longbow. Most armies used a regular or composite bows, not longbows.

  • @NathanS__
    @NathanS__ 2 роки тому +94

    Btw, "corps" is pronounced the same as "core."
    It's a French word and my general rule for French origin words is just not to say the last sound as it's spelled. It's usually correct 95% of the time.

    • @klausbrinck2137
      @klausbrinck2137 2 роки тому +3

      I think your rule is correct, there´s just very few exceptions to that, and your eyeballed 95% is set moderatety low, to my opinion.

    • @Kyryyn_Lyyh
      @Kyryyn_Lyyh 2 роки тому +13

      Stop giving out the secrets, english isnt meant to make sense - thats the joke.

    • @hlcdriver
      @hlcdriver 2 роки тому +8

      Agreed. In English, a group of soldiers is referred to as a corps, pronounced "core" after the French pronounciation. The word corpse refers to a dead body.

    • @skrahzgutstomp5584
      @skrahzgutstomp5584 2 роки тому +9

      I shudder every time he says "corpse" it's fucken jarring.

    • @luisaymerich9675
      @luisaymerich9675 2 роки тому +4

      I wonder how he pronounces colonel. 😄

  • @cruzaider5339
    @cruzaider5339 2 роки тому +13

    “We believe in crossbows in this household!”

    • @cruzaider5339
      @cruzaider5339 2 роки тому

      @Turaglas “Only polearms and crossbows are believed under my roof!”

  • @Prosper661
    @Prosper661 2 роки тому +29

    Yeah, and in the Hussite armies crossbows caused most ranged damage, with firearms responsible for sowing confusion and visible gruesome carnage. Jan Zizka knew his people and weapons well and used them to their best advantage, which is sign of competent commander

    • @tomasr.
      @tomasr. Рік тому

      When I saw the picture of a man with a crossbow and a large shield (paveza), I also remembered the Hussites.

  • @ArchmageIlmryn
    @ArchmageIlmryn 2 роки тому +17

    This series is great for inspiring groups to use in D&D-campaigns

    • @emanuelefiorentino8831
      @emanuelefiorentino8831 2 роки тому +1

      Exactly: genoese pavise crossbowman with crossbow expert and sharpshooter are one of best ways to play warrior.
      Just imagine:
      BBEG: "What's your powers"
      Mage: "I cast spell"
      Druid: "Nature power"
      Cleric: "I am perfect healer"
      You: "I AM GENOESE MOTHAFAKKA" (starts placing tower shield for +2AC and blasting everything with hand crossbow) 😂

    • @googiegress
      @googiegress Рік тому

      @@emanuelefiorentino8831 In the typical small engagements with few combatants, seen in D&D outside of mass combat scenarios, anyone behind cover is quickly outflanked. An enemy who has the ability to ignore your pavise or fire through your arrow slit from a great range is also a problem (although I'd argue that's more an issue with abilities like that being overpowered and irrational).
      On a D&D mass combat battlefield, ranged attacks are super useful, especially in post-2000 D&D editions where movement rate is so slow per attack. The archers or crossbowmen can make MANY shots against an advancing army. Also, the less-decisive effect of all kinds of missiles against body armor is ignored in 2e onward. That said, the offensive caster with area-effect magic which acts as artillery that can kill blocks of enemy soldiers will make a significant difference. Although I'd argue that someone using Animate Dead can have a greater impact on each battle, on every war, and in maximizing the domestic economy between wars. But for the resources needed to field a single 10th level caster, how many crossbowmen can you field instead? It's actually probably a better damage output to use masses of troops.
      Regardless, the hunkered-down crossbowman is a virtually non-issue in man-to-man fighting in D&D where the game's rules are written to produce results with verisimilitude. If you're all playing a bunch of Marvel Avengers, anything goes, and it could just as easily be the cheese-addicted Tabaxi shithead who is the decisive factor. In a pointless game like that it's basically just Cops n' Robbers with dice, and the children are welcome to have their fun.

  • @notquitegarrett
    @notquitegarrett 2 роки тому +6

    It's always a good thing to see a new SandRhoman upload in my feed. Without a doubt your's is one of the best researched and presented history channels on youtube.

  • @aasemahsan
    @aasemahsan 2 роки тому +35

    1:52 Origins
    5:12 Mechanism & battle strategies
    8:11 Battles
    10:27 Battle of Crecy (1346)

  • @cielopachirisu929
    @cielopachirisu929 2 роки тому +62

    It surprises me how often medieval battles were lost because the French knights were too overconfident and charged before everyone was ready.
    Off the top of my head I believe I can think of three times including this one.

    • @petertimowreef9085
      @petertimowreef9085 2 роки тому +34

      Virgin longbowmen hiding behind pallisades VS Chad mounted knight charging into certain death because it looks cool.

    • @Sealdeam
      @Sealdeam 2 роки тому +4

      It also happened at the Battle of Halmyros, the Duke of Athens, Walter of Brienne (by birth, culture and arrogance very much a french nobleman) and most of his mounted knights were slaughtered when they recklessly charged against the defensive position set-up by the mercenaries of the Catalan Company, in hindsight it would had been cheaper to Walter to actually pay his mercenaries instead of trying to expel them by force of his dominions.

    • @dylans7742
      @dylans7742 Рік тому +5

      This reply is a year late, but a factor in history for early engagement was the battle rewards. The nobles and crossbowmen were expensive, and a leader could pay them with recovered equipment from the fallen foes instead of with his personal funding. So if they had routed the English, it would have paid the dies for his most expensive units possibly for years.

    • @Hell_O7
      @Hell_O7 Рік тому +8

      I think it's also pretty important that, just like the Greco-Persian wars, there are bias on which battles got popular.
      Both French and Persia win quite a lot of battles, and battles like Agincourt and Marathon are more of the exception.

  • @samwill7259
    @samwill7259 2 роки тому +49

    "The Pope has banned Crossbows against Christians!"
    "The Pope? How many divisions does he have?"
    Obvious joke is obvious but fitting.

    • @cgsr2182
      @cgsr2182 2 роки тому +5

      ”The Pope: Many”🤌🇻🇦

    • @johnmurdoch8534
      @johnmurdoch8534 2 роки тому

      In this time period...he had plenty of real world pull. Not so much in 1945

    • @SusCalvin
      @SusCalvin 7 місяців тому +1

      The church is one of many Italian landowners.

  • @logank444
    @logank444 2 роки тому +135

    The military has always been a way for the lower classes to improve their standing. From crossbow men, roman legionaries, and even today in the American military. I myself joined to do just that

    • @gabrielvanhauten4169
      @gabrielvanhauten4169 2 роки тому +2

      today? how, if you in the military you will barely become an important person like a politician?

    • @kjsdpgijn
      @kjsdpgijn 2 роки тому +37

      @@gabrielvanhauten4169 you can make a lot of money if you move up in the army. In addition to making connections and getting spacial benefits as a veteran.

    • @grimgoreironhide9985
      @grimgoreironhide9985 2 роки тому +19

      @@kjsdpgijn It’s all about the benefits rather than pay. I understand that if you are a veteran of the US armed forces you get good pension, health insurance (I could be wrong about this one), several years of free college tuition paid and discounts in supermarkets and restaurants.

    • @rivopoiss1
      @rivopoiss1 2 роки тому +10

      Did you become Genoese crossbowman?

    • @logank444
      @logank444 2 роки тому +29

      @@rivopoiss1 negative I fled to northern Africa and joined the nubian calvary guard. There I served pasha Muhammed until he betrayed me and I started a armed rebellion against tyranny

  • @richardcleveland8549
    @richardcleveland8549 2 роки тому +12

    This was fascinating. I became acquainted with Genoese crossbowmen recently in reading Iris Origo's "The Merchant of Prato," a biography of Francesco Di Marco Datini, 1335-1410 (published in New York by Knopf, 1957). Datini had a very long career as a merchandiser of various goods, first from Avignon, then from his home in Prato, and finally from Florence. Depending upon the destination, goods went either overland or by sea - and if by sea, there are frequent references to Genoese crossbowmen as protection on the ships, with the note that these warriors were highly regarded - and generally feared. Thanks so much for providing the background.

    • @richardcleveland8549
      @richardcleveland8549 2 роки тому +1

      @Turaglas I don't remember if the Genoese required it or not, but if Datini shipped by sea, he usually used Genoa, so possibly that was a requirement of the Republic.

    • @richardcleveland8549
      @richardcleveland8549 2 роки тому +1

      @Turaglas And Origo reports Datini as writing that he hired Genoese crossbowmen.

    • @Captain_wikee27
      @Captain_wikee27 Рік тому

      VC😊 pp

  • @Reignor99
    @Reignor99 2 роки тому +13

    something something Total War
    something something pronounced "core"
    something something love your videos, please make more!

  • @carlosvalle612
    @carlosvalle612 2 роки тому +22

    Roman Seige Ballista huge with a draw weight of 4000-4500lbs. Steel Prod Windlass crossbows could have draw weights up to 4900lbs but only put 1250lb draw weights to increase reload or spanning speed as it was overkill. Steel was cheap enough for wealthy peasants of Geonese to finally afford them in the 13th century medieval era.

  • @damienparoski2033
    @damienparoski2033 2 роки тому +62

    Excellent video. One small note though. Corps is pronounced as "core" not "coreps". It is French so there are silent letters!

    • @jochannon
      @jochannon 2 роки тому +1

      He's been doing it for years - I doubt he'll stop anytime soon.

    • @Honkey99
      @Honkey99 2 роки тому

      The French are gay

    • @absyahwa7698
      @absyahwa7698 2 роки тому +4

      Who tf cares

    • @J-P88
      @J-P88 2 роки тому +14

      @@absyahwa7698 Damien Paroski does

    • @damienparoski2033
      @damienparoski2033 2 роки тому +10

      @@absyahwa7698
      I enjoyed the academic and kind response that you gave. It is a testament to your upbringing and social status! I am sure your response will become a hallmark of intellectual acumen.

  • @isseyIT
    @isseyIT 2 роки тому +8

    Hello from Genoa!

  • @iseeyou5061
    @iseeyou5061 2 роки тому +51

    Ah finally Genoesse crossobowman. Despite their title i'm pretty sure they also serve as infantry due to their heavy armor. Will watch this eagerly.

  • @Trickydickysticky
    @Trickydickysticky 2 роки тому +5

    As an archer i can tell you that bowstring wax defeats rain handily. No doubt these people had access to beeswax and coated their string liberally. Also, even thought composite bows were naturally more sensitive to weather again, they were usually covered with a linen cover infused with wax to protect them. Obviously the prod of the crossbow became less of a variable whe the switch to steel was made.

  • @KingTrouser
    @KingTrouser 5 місяців тому +1

    - Genoese fall back from an inferior position at a heavy disadvantage -
    French Knights - "so anyway I started chopping...."

  • @randalthor741
    @randalthor741 2 роки тому +43

    I frequently see people claiming that crossbowmen were superior to longbowmen, or that longbowmen were superior to crossbowmen. The simple fact is that which is "better" depends entirely on the battlefield conditions and the overall composition and leadership of the armies involved. In some circumstances longbowmen are clearly more effective than crossbowmen, and in some circumstances crossbowmen are clearly more effective than longbowmen. Anyone who tells you differently is an idiot who has no idea what they're talking about.

    • @alessandromazzini7026
      @alessandromazzini7026 2 роки тому +8

      You cannot Say "It depends by leadership" you don't evaluate a unit by the leadership 😂 you have to think about pros and cons of the weapon and the unit itself

    • @Animiel1
      @Animiel1 2 роки тому

      Also, there are a tons of metrics. A unit/weapon can be great in battle but bad in war (costly, long training, difficult to use) so it is hard to make meaningful comparisons. Some "legendary" units stand out, but to judge what was better between them is, in my view, unnecessary

    • @lpac9871
      @lpac9871 2 роки тому +3

      I tend to think that Longbows were more versatile Battlefield weapons (main advantage probably being rate of fire and range) - but required a lot more investment and training (pretty much a lifetime) for the Archer. Crossbows on the other hand, you could train troops to use them pretty competently (not necessarily master) in weeks, but you would be able to get get a pretty effective Crossbow unit in a pretty short amount of time.
      However, where I think the Crossbow would be superior to the Longbow would be in Siege Warfare (which tended to be log and drawn out in comparison to field battles) due to the nature of being able to have a Crossbow in a 'ready' position pretty much indefinitely and ready to fire at any time a suitable opportunity appears because the mechanism takes all the strain at this point - Whereas a Longbow can't do that because the man takes all the strain and no-one is strong enough to hold the Longbow in that 'ready' position for any reasonable length of time (despite what films may show) :)

    • @randalthor741
      @randalthor741 2 роки тому +8

      @@alessandromazzini7026 if an army's leadership is very familiar with the capabilities and shortcomings of crossbowmen, but not very familiar with the capabilities of longbowmen, then crossbowmen are a better choice because the leaders will be more able to use them effectively (and vice versa). Conversely, if the enemy army's leaders have never faced longbowmen and are unaware of their effective maximum range or rate of fire, but are very familiar with the range and rate of fire of crossbowmen, then longbowmen would be more effective against them. Context matters, and familiarity with specific weapons by commanders is part of that context. A weapon that is novel to the enemy leaders will be more effective than one that is not, because they will be less familiar with the best ways to counter it. That's part of the pros and cons of the weapons.

    • @ailius1520
      @ailius1520 2 роки тому

      The difference is the soldier. The yeoman trained on the bow since childhood and thus had big beefy arms that could pull back big bows. But if you're a nation that doesn't have a militia culture and furthermore are hiring mercenaries for contracts that are a couple years, you don't have time to train them on a war bow. So you have to give them a machine that will draw the bow back for them - aka a crossbow.
      In our modern world we like to focus on weapons. But back then the man was far more important than the tool.

  • @Kite403
    @Kite403 2 роки тому +5

    I never knew about Genoese crossbowmen before! That is awesome :D Thank you for sharing this. I'm gonna have to do some research now

  • @Bonkers4Hex
    @Bonkers4Hex 2 роки тому +3

    Wow this is good timing I've been watching loads that involved the Geonese crossbow men, and here's a new video to describe exactly who they were, thanks.

  • @lahire4943
    @lahire4943 2 роки тому +59

    Actually, considering we know precisely that 1,542 French knights were killed at Crécy, that the Genoese crossbowmen probably numbered around 2,000, certainly not more than 4,000, and that the French infantry didn't take part in the battle, it is obviously completely impossible that the French suffered more casualties than these numbers added, let alone "15,000 casualties", which is the estimate of a pro-English contemporary source, and not at all the one of most historians.
    And Clifford Rogers is strange because he claims the English were 15,000 and the French at least twice and maybe thrice larger, which would make between 30,000 and 45,000, which is highly unlikely.

    • @andreascovano7742
      @andreascovano7742 2 роки тому +3

      Are you the same La Hire on reddit?

    • @lahire4943
      @lahire4943 2 роки тому +3

      @@andreascovano7742
      Yes it's me lol

    • @andreascovano7742
      @andreascovano7742 2 роки тому +2

      @@lahire4943 So how is your epic struggle with De Ruyter going?

    • @alexsala1416
      @alexsala1416 2 роки тому +17

      One will tend to come across a certain 'fetishism' among Anglophone historians concerning Crécy and Agincourt.
      These battles bear an almost totemistic importance in the discourse and otherwise clear-headed historians are liable play fast and loose with the figures (as you have demonstrated concerning Rogers) and wider implications.
      The battles' importance in the emergence of a sense of English national identity and the neatly packaged contrast between 'the flower of French nobility' and 'sturdy Englishy yeomen' endlessly embellished and retold in combination with the 'cult' of the longbow is an industry at this point :)

    • @lahire4943
      @lahire4943 2 роки тому +2

      @@andreascovano7742 I'm afraid he has had to abandon in front of the truth xd

  • @TTengYY
    @TTengYY 2 роки тому +7

    I love your channel !

    • @IceniTotalWar
      @IceniTotalWar 2 роки тому

      Very informative without boring or confusing most people.

  • @realdragon
    @realdragon 2 роки тому +6

    Yesterday I was searching infromation about pavise and discovered Genoese crossbowmen so it's perfect timing

    • @IceniTotalWar
      @IceniTotalWar 2 роки тому +3

      Try playing Medieval 2 Total War and you can control 1000's of them on a battlefield !

  • @lerneanlion
    @lerneanlion 2 роки тому +7

    Genoese Crossbowmen: To victory of death! For the Republic!

  • @HellenicWolf
    @HellenicWolf Рік тому +1

    Great production, man. I love your narrating and body of work, keep up the effort.

  • @giovannifontana1433
    @giovannifontana1433 2 роки тому +3

    The palio is a crossbow contest still in place in most of Liguria and Toscana.
    In the Comunal time The palio where you best chance to show to a recruiter from Genova u had skin for the job.

  • @martinmorbak8778
    @martinmorbak8778 2 роки тому +1

    Those suckers saved a lot of my medieval 2 campaigns.

  • @DidYaServe
    @DidYaServe Рік тому +6

    The crossbow allowed Western European armies to fend off what would've been a certain collection of Steppe civilizations taking over the entire Eurasian landmass. A technology that changed history.

    • @blam320
      @blam320 2 місяці тому

      Your proof of this assertion?

  • @kristjanrom9429
    @kristjanrom9429 2 роки тому +6

    They were present in Siege of Constantinople by Mehmed II I belive and fought incredibly well!

    • @hoponpop3330
      @hoponpop3330 2 роки тому +2

      The Byzantines and Genoese where allied for years they both shared a hatred of Venice.

    • @kristjanrom9429
      @kristjanrom9429 2 роки тому

      @@hoponpop3330 lol

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      @joeerickson516 Рік тому +1

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  • @gabrielvanhauten4169
    @gabrielvanhauten4169 2 роки тому +16

    once again a very good video. good info, good presentation, good research, and most importantly: a good example how history should be presented on UA-cam.

  • @frinkanoid
    @frinkanoid 2 роки тому +4

    Pope Urban II literally went “OMG crossbows OP plz nerf!”

  • @lachuna
    @lachuna Рік тому +2

    You say Urban II prohibited the use of crossbows in 1193, but Urban II died in 1099. Can you explain this?

  • @joseignaciocastrovonrodrig5613

    Seeing this wonderful video makes me very proud about carrying brave Ligurian blood in my veins. Scignorîa!

  • @IceniTotalWar
    @IceniTotalWar 2 роки тому +33

    Oh don't get me started on those bloody Genoese crossbowmen 😁😁 !!! Since vanilla Medieval 2 Total War through literally every mod they're a pain to deal with. Great killing power against nearly every unit and pretty tough in melee too.

    • @carlosvalle612
      @carlosvalle612 2 роки тому +3

      Roman Seige Ballista huge with a draw weight of 4000-4500lbs. Steel Prod Windlass crossbows could have draw weights up to 4900lbs but only put 1250lb draw weights to increase reload or spanning speed as it was overkill. Steel was cheap enough for wealthy peasants of Geonese to finally afford them in the 13th century medieval era.

    • @gaoth88
      @gaoth88 2 роки тому +2

      @@carlosvalle612 important to know that draw weight means little if you don't know the length of the bow. A wide crossbow with less draw weight could send a bolt further and harder than a tiny bow with an insane draw weight. :)

    • @gaoth88
      @gaoth88 2 роки тому +1

      @Turaglas There are limits to usefulness with wide bows, though if you have a pavise to put the mini ballista on, it could work, but there is probably a reason why people did what they did, there often is.

    • @thekillers1stfan
      @thekillers1stfan 10 місяців тому +2

      Me chasing them down with Mailed Knights
      psssht nuthing personnel

  • @ilari90
    @ilari90 2 роки тому +5

    Armour penetration isn't the thing, at least plate armour, vs chain and gambesons maybe. When shot, even biggest ones with pulleys are about as strong as warbows, most of the power goes to the steel bow of the system, not the shot, even if the power needed to pull it is a lot bigger than the warbow. Also the bolts are generally lighter than the arrows, so the momentum of the bolt vs the arrow were about the same when comparing the strongest ones. The "armour piercing" thing comes mostly from role playing games, and if a crossbow bolts are characterized armour piercing, so should the warbow arrows.

    • @aslanbayramuqlany6189
      @aslanbayramuqlany6189 2 роки тому +1

      The short limbs of crossbow limit the acceleration given to the bolt

    • @TheNEOverse
      @TheNEOverse Рік тому +1

      They probably still hit harder than most selfbows in use by armies tho. And at the time, plate armour was not really much of a thing until around the 14th century. Before that, it was mail and stuff.

    • @FelipeJaquez
      @FelipeJaquez 3 місяці тому +1

      > thousands of examples of crossbows piercing armor and shields
      Lmao, the youtube comments get dumber every year.
      Just look info about the Hussite War Wagons if you want to see hundreds of knights with the best late medieval plate armor getting pierced by crossbowmen.

  • @db.sarvestani6554
    @db.sarvestani6554 2 роки тому +4

    The Persian Achemanids were some of the first professional army to use organized large shield bearing soldiers in combination with rows of archers behind them . The large shields provided cover while rows of archers switched continually to fire their arrows towards enemy lines

  • @josemalave1322
    @josemalave1322 2 роки тому +1

    One thing to note is that the stirrup did not start to appear on crossbows until the early-mid 13th century, same with belt hooks.

  • @leon--osseusii4664
    @leon--osseusii4664 2 роки тому +8

    Nice, also do you guys plan to cover sling weapons and their famous wealders any time soon. Since it's really underapreatiated weapon....

    • @IceniTotalWar
      @IceniTotalWar 2 роки тому +1

      Balearic slingers anyone... 🤔

    • @SandRhomanHistory
      @SandRhomanHistory  2 роки тому +2

      not anytime soon, I think. Invicta has done a video on the Balearic slingers (ancient Rome).

    • @biracristian2808
      @biracristian2808 2 роки тому

      Maybe rodian slingers

  • @RickandPenny
    @RickandPenny 2 роки тому

    Good job. Enjoyed it. Thank you.

  • @blendix6413
    @blendix6413 2 роки тому +2

    Loving these videos!

    • @IceniTotalWar
      @IceniTotalWar 2 роки тому

      Me too ! Especially as many of these historical units show up in the Total War series of games which i play all the time.

  • @tahamertcubuk238
    @tahamertcubuk238 2 роки тому +7

    At 8:28 you said Mamluks. However, In 1099 Jerusalem was governed by the Fatimi, they just conquered the city a few years ago. Maybe you want to use it instead of Slave soldier but The area of the Levant was mostly under the hegemony of Seljuks and Seljuks was not use Mamluks. They have their own soldier which called Gulam(slave soldier).

    • @leonardoferrari4852
      @leonardoferrari4852 Рік тому

      No the seljucks used mamluks, Zanki for instance was assadsinated by some of his mamluks.
      Mamluks and ghulams are tge same thing.
      Donald Sydney Richards stated tha: "Mamluke also translates ghulam, the term with the same significance, used more frequently in the eastern islamic world".

  • @bleekskaduwee6762
    @bleekskaduwee6762 2 роки тому

    Excellent video sir

  • @mattiOTX
    @mattiOTX 2 роки тому +6

    In case people don't realize, it takes actual years to train a longbow user, a crossbow has a much more simply point and shoot mechanism which takes up some of the work the actual archer would do. You don't have to hold a drawn bowstring, your front arm or supporting arm can be stabilized such as resting the elbow along the top of a wall which helps increase accuracy. You have a much more direct flight which means less aiming vertically and more bolts on target since you have an easier time working out your drop and that also presents less time in the air for the arrows or bolts to be shifted off course. War bows are cool and have had some great success but let's not turn smooth brains here are start screaming how amazing a longbow is. It's not even the best of the war bows. What made the English longbow (not actually English) so useful was the fact that the English started cultural trends around how archery was a gentlemens sport which got more English men into practicing consistently with the longbow. Besides 3 to 6 months of training vs 2 years at minimum and you can see how good crossbows actually are as weapons. Though I suspect that maintaining them was probably a bit more stressful than a bow. I mean the catholics ban crossbows and so did a few kingdoms because 6 month trained crossbow men can kill a knight pretty easy and losing a knight who spent years of training to a farmer simply because of the weapon made many high ranking people worried.

    • @artyomarty391
      @artyomarty391 2 роки тому +1

      this longbow needs training is a myth. An adult male can learn to shoot a bow reasonably well in just a few hours. Try it
      This goes for pretty much any other physical endeavor. You're saying it takes 6 months to train to use a crossbow? Are you out of your mind? Assuming you train 8 hours a day, in 6 months a person could learn to juggle 5+ objects, obtain brown-black belts in every martial art, learn to swim/rollerblade/iceskate/skate/ski/snowboard/etc, learn to play sports like snooker/ping pong/bowling at a proficient level, and after all of that still have ample time to do something else
      And yet you're saying that someone has to constantly load and shoot a crossbow 8 hours a day, for half a year, to learn to use it? You have very dim faith in humans' intellect. Unless someone has an IQ of less than 70, learning to shoot a crossbow or a bow should take a couple hours, and probably around 50 hours to become proficient and develop a subconscious muscle memory. Shooting half a year for 8 hours a day is for those who want to shoot with their feet in a circus and win the olympics

    • @mattiOTX
      @mattiOTX 2 роки тому

      @@artyomarty391 and any idiot can point a rifle. It still takes a few years at most to learn about humidity and its affects on your shots, wind and its affects on your shots. Terrain because that could affect your shots. The basic idea can be trained in a few hours. Actual proficiency takes years. A crossbow would take month to hit a basic proficiency. That means smooth and timely reloading, consistent shots on target. Proper maintenance and understanding of your weapon platform. You are a meth addict if you think even half of that can be learned and turned into experience in a few hours.

    • @mattiOTX
      @mattiOTX 2 роки тому +1

      @@artyomarty391 whoa I never said 6 hours a day, I stuck with England's time-line. Once a week typically a few hours a day at most. That's because you have muscle fatigue, some days you can't go shooting cause it's raining. Some days you actually have to do bow maintenance. The rest of the week was filled with sun up to sun down work. Stop mixing things we have days like a free 8 hours a day that we can train with, they never had that. Work and taking care of the home was an all day affair. Want to see what years of training looked like go look at the steppe horse Archers. You can see a clear difference between 1 years worth of training vs a lifetimes.

    • @mattiOTX
      @mattiOTX 2 роки тому +1

      @@artyomarty391 BTW a longbow is a type of war bow which typically had a draw of over 90 pounds. That shit is hard to draw without training the muscles and drawing technique, in fact it's impossible without the right technique. It takes a long time to 1 get that technique down not a few hours, like months. You are talking using the bow for muscle training cause they did not have a gym where they could go train these muscles. Then learning the technique to draw and to learn to do that smoothly and learn how to release correctly and develop the smoothness to keep your arrows on target. Neither of which is needed for a crossbow. Major muscles groups are used to draw a crossbow and you don't need to practice how to release the bolt. You literally point and pull a release. You put in zero effort to actually think about the subject before you responded to me. Please for the love of God, at least do minimal research on the subject. Hell go learn how to shoot a war bow, that would make you realize how off you were or even go look up historians on UA-cam that have and examine war bows. Shadiversity is a wonderful channel that would help you gain more knowledge on the subject.

    • @artyomarty391
      @artyomarty391 2 роки тому +4

      @@mattiOTX for the love of God please ask historians on the subject. Go watch some UA-cam videos. Get acquainted with the subject
      I used to be like you, believed this myth for 15 years, then went to an archery range and watched some historians on youtube

  • @johncope4977
    @johncope4977 2 роки тому

    Excellent dissertation

  • @crimsoncardinal208
    @crimsoncardinal208 2 роки тому +2

    What a coincidence, I just closed Medieval 2 playing Milan campaign, those guys wreck everything

  • @augustbutler9096
    @augustbutler9096 2 роки тому +2

    This was unexpected yet very interesting

  • @mckappe
    @mckappe 2 роки тому +2

    PER GENOVA E SAN GIORGIO! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

    • @rezzoc91
      @rezzoc91 2 роки тому +1

      Arremba San Zòrzo!

  • @alexsala1416
    @alexsala1416 2 роки тому +1

    Going against these dudes in MII:TW when they had the high ground was an absolute PITA.
    Pepperidge Farm remembers...

  • @bdonaghu
    @bdonaghu 2 роки тому +5

    Possibly my favorite unique unit in Age of Empires II 😁

    • @arnowisp6244
      @arnowisp6244 2 роки тому

      Unless you were fighting them.

  • @AlexandruNicolin
    @AlexandruNicolin Рік тому +1

    I wonder why no one thought at a "pike and crossbow" square formation back in the day.

  • @leonelpadilla8484
    @leonelpadilla8484 Рік тому

    In my opinion and anecdotal experience. Being properly equipped. And whomever was in charge of training instilled a high sense of "warriorism" into these soldiers.

  • @imanolUriaBlanco
    @imanolUriaBlanco 2 роки тому

    Great video, very intresting topic and nice illustrations.

  • @johnhammond4214
    @johnhammond4214 2 роки тому

    Another excellent video, informative and entertaining

  • @phineascampbell3103
    @phineascampbell3103 2 роки тому

    Being considered a valuable enough soldier that I'm allowed to run away any time the enemy gets near enough to threaten me, sounds pretty good to me!

  • @Norbingel
    @Norbingel 2 роки тому +3

    There's 2 kinds of people in the comments section.
    The men of culture referencing AOE2
    and the gigachads referencing Total War

  • @madfullybliss
    @madfullybliss 2 роки тому +1

    My only thing with this video is that the pavise shield wasn’t introduced until the 14th century so the Genoese Crossbowmen would have been without this for at least half if not most of their history.

    • @kinghoodofmousekind2906
      @kinghoodofmousekind2906 8 місяців тому

      It could be inferred that long shields were used, having other styles and/or names. But this is a good point.

  • @wismsgre
    @wismsgre 2 роки тому

    Another great one!

  • @Maruana3256
    @Maruana3256 2 роки тому +1

    2:20 is everything okay with a standard-bearer?

  • @kurtwoods9789
    @kurtwoods9789 2 роки тому +1

    The fact that these were only 100 florins upkeep in Med II was completely broken. You could melt entire ranks of knights for pennies on the dollar.

  • @vanishingfolklore
    @vanishingfolklore Рік тому

    love the study of the Genoese of this time

  • @rod9829
    @rod9829 2 роки тому +2

    2:38 what is the correct spelling of this so that I can look them up? thanks

    • @pp-wo1sd
      @pp-wo1sd 2 роки тому +1

      Brabançons

    • @DeRegelaar
      @DeRegelaar 2 роки тому

      Brabancons, basicly mercenary infantry from the low countries, duchy of Brabant.

  • @fuferito
    @fuferito 7 місяців тому

    The Doria and Grimaldi families mentioned here as mercenaries in the Battle of Crecy employed by the French, still enjoy high status in the present day; some Dorias are part of the Spanish nobility while the House of Grimaldi is the family in charge of Monaco.

  • @WisdomThumbs
    @WisdomThumbs 11 місяців тому

    The theory about rain-resistant crossbow strings assumes two things: A) all their strings were in ideal condition, B) the crossbowmen trained in the rain to compensate for the deviations caused by wet strings.

  • @DonScarface
    @DonScarface 2 роки тому +12

    8:27 Small correction, they would be fighting the Fatimids during the First Crusades. The Mamluks wouldn't emerge into history until the 13th century, after they overthrew the Ayyubids, who in turn got rid of the Fatimids.
    Other than that, superb video as always.

    • @AGS363
      @AGS363 2 роки тому +2

      Do not get confused! The fatamids used Mameluks as soldiers.
      The use of these "slave-soldiers" was a stable of most muslim rulers.

  • @donwilliams8357
    @donwilliams8357 Рік тому

    Love the artwork!

  • @tizzitizzi817
    @tizzitizzi817 2 роки тому +3

    I low my hat for the genoese crossbowmen,but i think you should also make a video on the Venicians Marines that conquers Constantinople end were the first to have some squads of knight that charge directly from the ship,thanks to special navy project.thanks to this forces Venice conquer all the Dalmatian coast city, a lot of Grece s islands,Cyprus and a big part of black sea s land!!!!!

  • @marcelosilveira2276
    @marcelosilveira2276 Рік тому

    I'm looking everywhere but I can't seen to find the following information:
    how were medieval crossbows transported? did they had bandoliers? did they held the crossbows like spearmen were expected to carry their weapons? I've read in a game that it can be carried on hooks on the belt, but, well... game...

  • @paulosabib
    @paulosabib 2 роки тому +6

    Were there any repercussions to the French actions against the Genoese in Crécy? To my surprise, the Genoese kept serving under French after that battle...

    • @shorewall
      @shorewall 2 роки тому +6

      They were mercenaries. It's a tough job, for exactly such reasons.

    • @emanuelefiorentino8831
      @emanuelefiorentino8831 2 роки тому +3

      Genoese Luigi Giribetto (Louis Giribaut) invented rotating carriages to better maneuver culverins, really helping Jean Bureau in creating the poweful french artillery which won french war (despite the french vile massacre of genoese crossbowmen).
      France: "I never said thank you".
      Genoa: "And you'll never have to" (proceeds jumping into the void to defend Constantinople and discover America) 😎🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

    • @TheNEOverse
      @TheNEOverse Рік тому

      It was mentioned that the Genoese leaders there were not in good standing with their families at home. So I imagine they just said 'good riddance'.
      As for mercs coming in... well work is work.

  • @Pasteurpipette
    @Pasteurpipette 2 роки тому +1

    4:44 Pope Innocent II presided over the ban in 1193. Urban II (the First Crusade guy) died in 1099.

  • @ExperiencePlayers
    @ExperiencePlayers 2 роки тому

    Great video!

  • @shorewall
    @shorewall 2 роки тому +2

    Talking about the teams of Crossbow men and Pavise holder, I wonder if you could get some kind of medieval drill going on.
    I mean like having ranks of crossbowmen, who fire, then start reloading, and the one behind comes forward to fire. Have enough ranks so that the first rank has reloaded by the time it comes around to them again.
    Another alternative is to have one crossbowman, and 2-3 helpers who reload crossbows for him, so that he can keep up a steady stream of fire.

    • @jacopofolin6400
      @jacopofolin6400 2 роки тому +1

      I think most of the times were the shildbarer, the shooter and the charger, so you Need only 1 skilled men (the shooter) and have a High rate of fire

    • @stylesheetra9411
      @stylesheetra9411 2 роки тому

      Crossbowmen were required to "shoot between ranks" we don't really knows what this mean tho, prob manovring and shooting between 2 group of friendly units
      Also what are you saying is not that useful because they did arch their fire a bit

  • @Nate-dv5dp
    @Nate-dv5dp Рік тому

    One of my favourite units for a medieval total war campaign playing as Venice 👌

  • @buchan448
    @buchan448 2 роки тому

    This vid came up on my recommended glad it did have subbed and pressed the bell hello from Scotland

  • @feudalfrits9559
    @feudalfrits9559 2 роки тому +1

    At 4:43 you talk about pope urban banning the use of the crossbow in 1139. But by then he had been dead for 40 years. Just wanted to point that out. Great video!

    • @gwynbleidd1917
      @gwynbleidd1917 2 роки тому

      Yup. Unfortunately there's weird little pockets of misinformation in these videos. Like the misconception that archers fired arrows up in an arc in volleys, which simply isn't true. The arrows/bolts would be useless shot that way.

    • @leonardoferrari4852
      @leonardoferrari4852 Рік тому

      It's an easy mistake to make, urban ii did actually ban crossbows in 1097, they were later banned again in 1139 by innocent ii.
      Source: crossbows and christians, by Vincent van der Veen.
      He mixed up the popes

  • @brokenbridge6316
    @brokenbridge6316 2 роки тому

    Nicely done video

  • @MarylandK
    @MarylandK Місяць тому

    Around 4:44, Pope Urban II's ban on crossbow use against Christians is said to have been issued in 1193--is 1093 the intended date here?
    (Sorry to nitpick--I love your videos! Thank you so much for all the great content. Fantastic siege retellings in particular!)

  • @andrewearl8926
    @andrewearl8926 2 роки тому +3

    One thing confuses me about these foreign armies in different lands
    How often was a language barrier a major issue?
    If you need to give complex orders, how do you communicate to peoples from far lands and different languages?

    • @sandrocozzari5304
      @sandrocozzari5304 2 роки тому +11

      The commanders spoke different languages

    • @jacopofolin6400
      @jacopofolin6400 2 роки тому

      Maybe trasleters?

    • @patrickols
      @patrickols 2 роки тому +5

      You need to remember that commanders and officers in those days happen to mostly be noble men, as such educated men in most cases. Most of them spoke many languages including Latin and whatever “in” language of the time was in use.

  • @jasonshumate6456
    @jasonshumate6456 2 роки тому +1

    You couldn't have the Common Man piercing the armor of a Noble Knight.
    These Mercenaries were well drill and I think it would surprise us how efficient they were.
    But it shouldn't.
    The Human mind is a deadly weapon

  • @tobias064
    @tobias064 2 роки тому +2

    As a fellow man at arms in Mordhau I can confirm what was stated by Urban II, crossbowmen has no honor.

  • @sarahsidney1988
    @sarahsidney1988 2 роки тому

    Loving your videos! Thanks so much for your work

  • @major0noob
    @major0noob 2 роки тому +16

    knights, they're the meme of fighting a battle to lose the war. ignore commands, need a squad's upkeep, mutiny's and tantrum prone, insufferably pompous, and stupid. they're lucky they were in the same hierarchy as the guys writing to give them hype and downplay their losses.

    • @shorewall
      @shorewall 2 роки тому +10

      I agree with all of that, and yet, when they were good, they were really good. I think of the Normans conquering Southern Italy with often sub 1000 knights in their armies, more like 200-300. Even going to far as to invade the Byzantine Empire. And knights in the Crusades made an outsized difference, in limited numbers.
      If they could act rationally and pragmatically, then they were a force multiplier that could decide battles on their own. IF... :D

    • @rayzas4885
      @rayzas4885 2 роки тому +2

      Patay, Ascalon, Antioch, Cerami, Mohi, Kressenbrunn, and many other battles saw the devastating effects of a heavy shock charges by knights. It's rather ridiculous to say that the finest troops in medieval Europe and the closest thing they had to a professional soldier was somehow ineffective... these tactics were so common because of how successful they were.

  • @odd-ysseusdoesstuff6347
    @odd-ysseusdoesstuff6347 2 роки тому +2

    Me: S…see your honor, I’ve always been into medieval stuff…
    Concerned Family Members: Uh huh
    Me: And, watching this AND hiring Genoese Crossbowmen to besiege our noisy neighbor is just a natural progression of my interest
    Concerned Family Members: what

  • @Cassius4
    @Cassius4 Рік тому

    Now I know who to have help me slide on the opps, thanks man!

  • @GallowglassAxe
    @GallowglassAxe 2 роки тому +12

    Great video as always. I though thte St. George's cross was an English thing. Obviously another Sought-After Mercenaries you should do is the Gallowglass. If you need research material I have quite a few sources.

    • @SandRhomanHistory
      @SandRhomanHistory  2 роки тому +14

      hey, the St. George's cross was used by many many cities, leagues, states. Its origins go back to the cursades. Let me know any good sources on the Gallowglass. We looked into scottish mercs in the context of the thirty years war. There is plenty to talk about but we have not really started to gather literature on the topic.

    • @montycasper4300
      @montycasper4300 2 роки тому +3

      Saint George was a Turk serving in the Roman legions who allegedly slew a "dragon" in Palestine. Most likely a salt water crocodile, but whatever. Richard the Lionheart heard of this during the crusades and appropriated George as an English Saint, however many others did the same and George probably lived and died with ever knowing Britain existed.

    • @andersschmich8600
      @andersschmich8600 2 роки тому +14

      @@montycasper4300 He wasn't a a Turk, they had not arrived yet, most likely a Greek speaking Anatolian or Syrian.

    • @GallowglassAxe
      @GallowglassAxe 2 роки тому

      ​@@SandRhomanHistory By the Thirty Years War they had gone extinct due to the 9 years war and Queen Elizabeth's ban on using them. They would evolve into the Irish gunners in Pike and Shot formations.
      Good books would be "The World of The Galloglass" by Sean Duffy. "Galloglass 1250-1600: Gaelic Mercenary Warrior" by Fergus Cannan. "Colonial Ireland 1169-1369" by Robin Frame. "Gaelic and Gaelicized Ireland in the middle age:" K.W. Nicholls. "Richard II and the Irish Kings : "Darren McGettigan. and The Geraldine's and Medieval Ireland: Peter Crooks and Sean Duffy.
      And if you want some youtubers who are better at than me. Irish Medieval History and Clans and Dynasties would gladly help you.

    • @GallowglassAxe
      @GallowglassAxe 2 роки тому

      ​@@montycasper4300 That's probably true. England was not known for using local English sources. How many lions are native to the British Isles?

  • @oscarwilfredodiazcruz
    @oscarwilfredodiazcruz 2 роки тому

    Is there good sources of information about the cost of a crossbow versus a musquet?

  • @barrankobama4840
    @barrankobama4840 2 роки тому +1

    Great video, very interesting. Only unpleasant aspect was the butchering of all Italian names :D