DUDE! The stars moving towards the LB makes so much sense!! The Astels are the stars, and radahn must have been holding them back for this very reason.
I love Radahn as much as anyone else, but I doubt he was holding the literal stars back with his own strength. There are other gods and demigods in the Land Between, and they've done things less impressive than him. Yet the community likes him more because he was wholly epic (and a chad.) It's much more believable he formulated some spell while studying in Selia to hold back the Stars and maintained it subconsciously at a minimum, only releasing the spell when he died. This is much more in line with real world scientists, who discovered equations and laws of nature, but hardly had any control over them in anyway. Newton formulated the equations that describe the laws of motion, but he had no control over them, let alone the apple that fell on his head. Marie Curie discovered radiation but that didn't stop radium from killing her. In Elden Ring, Radahn just so happened to ALSO be a super-strong general who was a contender to be a lord in addition to being the guy who discovered that stars were headed towards the Lands Between, then creating a spell that held them back which included the stars that governed fate.
You're forgetting who's son he is, his siblings either pretenders for a new god seat. Miquella having powers to literally stall other gods, it's not stretched to say he could wield such powers to halt the movement of the stars - to the point he could stop the fate of Ranni - the other god chosen. His death literally makes sky move again, you can see after his death cutscene.
In the spirit of your out on a limb vibe- Wondering if there's also a connection to be made with primordial red-tinged gold and the fact that the smallest colloidal gold nanoparticles also appearing red and shift to appearing more purple as the nanoparticles increase in size?
@@Silent_EllipsisYup! Our universe's greatest force is pushing things away from each other, like causality, which will one day entirely separate our pockets of the universe by eternal dark voids that allow no light or energy to pass through.
Sooo, just to take this a couple steps further... as you say, in our universe everything is falling "away" from us; the accelerating expansion of the universe as it's refered to in cosmology. We came to understand this because we found that the further out stars were, the more red-shifted they appeared to us. Astronomers once thought the universe was static. After the big bang theory was founded scientists instead considered that the universe might instead be cyclic, wherein the universe would eventually collapse back in on itself to start a big bang again. This is the "big crunch" hypothesis. Of course, in our universe we determined this was not the case, but your blue-shift idea makes me think that's what the elden ring universe *is* doing. Going further, we know in our world that the universe's expansion is accelerating because the further away things are, the more red-shifted they become. If you invert this for the Elden Ring universe, then objects would become more blue-shifted the closer they got to us, because they are accelerating more rapidly towards us. So all the distant, ancient cosmic things (e.g. primeval current) are the least blue shifted, the more easily visible stars are blue, and meteorites (Astels, Fallingstar Beasts, Alabaster Lords, etc) are at the most extreme, being blue-shifted past blue into violet (from a physics point of view this doesn't actually make sense, since the meteorites have landed and are no longer moving so they should no longer be blue-shifted, but whatever). Finally, I wonder if this is why gravity magic is associated with violet? If a big crunch is to come to pass, then gravity (the Law of Regression taken to its extreme) will eventually be the destruction (the death) of all things. Thus, violet = death = gravity? Anyway, that's enough rambling and raving for now
The stars rushing in would explain Radahn's actions to halt them (which he does with purple gravity magic), and it would also explain the implied prehistorical period when the Lands Between were bombarded by impacts.
In regards to blue vs green, I’d just like to point out that in Japanese 青 (ao) means both blue and green. They are more akin to shades of each other than distinct colours, much like marine and cyan is in the western world
If ALL of the stars are blue shifting because they are getting closer, then that would make the lands between the epicenter in the inevitable collapse of the cosmos*. That fits in really neatly with the Law of Regression, actually. The inverse of this would be the universe of the past when it was still spreading, still operating under Casualty. Obviously this universe works differently, but those spreading stars would be redshifted, one might say amber. Wonderful video! Obviously we loved the limb. *Literal center of the universe, then?
There was a post on reddit the other day about how there's a greenish field of light that appears behind the Gates of Divinity, and I offhandedly said without evidence that it could be the Primeval Current showing through, but after hearing your "limb" idea about the distinction between blue and green I'm slightly more convinced!
About yellow, mi theory is that the sun felled and that was the greater wills mistake. Midras phase change attack looks like a sun falling down and he has an attack where he summons two flaming spheres similar to the flame of the fell god incantations. Both the furnace golem (which depicts the fell god) and the frencied flame can burn body and spirit too...
The Yellow vs. Gold thing is interesting to me because of the specific definition (or perhaps more accurately, goal) of Madness in Elden Ring is, in a certain sense, order. All that there is, burned, universally burned into ash or melted down into one combined substance. There is order in that, in a Horseshoe Theory kinda way... Or to put it in Dark Souls terms, if you took the Fire that brought Disparity to the world and maximized its intensity so that it consumed everything, you would come back around to there being no Disparity, just as there was during the age of Stone Dragons and Everlasting Archtrees. Edit: Go as far out on a limb as you can. Crazy-ass FromSoft lore theories scratch the same itch as all my favorite crazy conspiracy theories about the real world do without all the crappy baggage.
Just finished work, boutta walk home along the canals with a nice blunt… see this uploaded 2 minutes ago. Not to mention, me and the boys all got into the Nightreign ONT. Oh yeah, today’s a good day.
Go out on all the limbs!! Your video is amazing. Its rooted in very clear logic that offers a lot of room for more theoretical expansion fun. Your point about blue earthly stars vs green primordial stars got me thinking about how primordial life might be related to vitality of life (green). I wonder why/how/if that differs from the red vitality of the crucible? I also love your point about orderly gold and yellow chaos being almost visually indistinguishable. Would absolutely love to hear more of your - and everyone's - thoughts on that. I think that the concept of total order is almost unattainable. Try to implement total order, and you get total chaos, as the game has shown us. Almost as if Order is just a gilded front for Chaos. Maybe it would be a mistake to view them as separate and conflicting concepts in the first place; a new(?) approach to the old fire vs darkness cycle of Dark Souls.
Absolutely excellent first episode for Between Meanings. Quite enjoyed the dive into Blue/Green. One point that occurred to me while watching that section is that the overlap of Blue and Green may at least in part come from a linguistic influence, since Aoi (青い) is often used for blue, but sometimes for green, or blue-green as well. It also has meanings like "pale color" and "fresh". Anyway, the overlap may be a nod to this bit of linguistics from Japan. In game, if we look through the lens of "freshness" we can also note the pieces of lore which describe the stars as a source of life and energy. Another thought that occurs to me is that in our world, there are no green celestial objects - due to the physics of stars and light emission, they can't be green.
loving your grand unified theory. so happy your proper videos were recommended to me. it makes so much sense! can’t wait to cuddle up and sink my teeth into this one!
Your stuff is great. I like things a little more in depth, interpretive, and risky than the big vids nowadays. You're respectful to other creators you mention, you're doing good analysis, your theories are fun. You're demeanor has been great too. Keep it up, I'm really liking your style.
Also to help with the blue/green stars or current. The Star-lined sword is lined in the center with blue turned green stars that form a current which represented who held this sword swears to find the truth that lies at the end of the procession of stars.
Dude, all of your videos are incredible. You'll propose something that sounds totally out of the left field, but then leave me asking how I didn't notice something so obvious by the end of it. You deserve hundreds of times more subs than you have right now. I'm a huge consumer of ER lore videos, but I'm always looking forward to your next one more than any other lore youtuber because I know it's going to make me look at the game a whole different way.
I am so glad you mentioned blue shifting. I was getting my comment ready to bring up both blue and red shifting because I think of both as a part of this unified theory of ER being a parallel to the inner world of man, and just from a literal interpretation the addition of light wave shifting is important and adds to the lore. To add to it, if blue shifting is an implication that all of the stars in the sky are falling to the lands between, then red shifting to me is an in game representation of these sources of light being returned to the stardust that all life came from, and even deeper, the “one great”. Which I believe is the void, or as Ymir puts it “the great rift in the skies”. As for yellow and the Frenzy flame? I think I have an idea. In color theory, yellow is actually a rather optimistic color, with the major difference between yellow and gold being that gold is more relative to royalty and power, and a sense of sophistication compared to the more simplistic yellow. So in a context, order/gold/the inner light of stability is a more sophisticated inner light or ideal. Yellow/chaos/the inner light of absolute change and creativity is a more simplistic and energetic ideal. However, the contrasting or complementary colors to gold and yellow (order and chaos) is purple or violet. Which we know is the color associated with death before Marikas age. Order and chaos are to me, the two factors of what makes “life.” Take a mass of chaos, swirling and ever changing and add order to it, structure. Add a pull between these meanings and you get similarly to our own universe with spiral galaxies and nebulae, a living universe where life can be born. To complement life, death, the combining of returnal and arrival, red and blue into one. The transition, the twilight between this life and the next, the return to stardust. Too much of any one color throws the entire system out of balance, at least from a perspective of your average person in the lands between. If we do away with order, and death, and fully embrace the yellow, we see the world return to the “one great”. The swirling mass of chaos returns all of existence into its original state before order. And one last note, since this is more of a quick tirade than a genuine sort of thesis I’m making. Redshifting = returnal to the stars. So it makes even more sense why the flame of frenzy is not only yellow, but is filled with subtle red hues as well. It is the ultimate force driving existence back to its origin.
The idea that stars are moving towards the lands between fits perfectly with the theory that the entire surface was flooded with magma in the ancient past, covering the skulls and enormous architecture we see jutting from the landscape. Fallen stars buried the titan civilization.
This is really incredible. I enjoy your theories so very much, especially how they make me want to engage both with the story and actually research stuff ive fought about. Great series! Hoping you'll one day do an episode on the Stars and the Magic associated with it.
Awesome breakdown! High level analysis like yours helps me understand what I’m looking at as I replay Elden Ring. To this day I’m shocked at just how cohesive the Lands Between are. Also: 15 minutes was a great length! Keep these up!
I'm so excited for this video, been crafting a "unified theory" of Elden Ring for months and I've been waiting for someone to really get into the color symbolism
I love how good the community has been at recognizing the work of other creators. Great video! Also, it's worth mentioning that at release, destined death was actually purple. Fun fact.
@@jackmcnulty4155 I think the color they ended up with has a faint shift toward purple in there (while still being primarily identifiable as red). The more I look at it, the more impressed I am by how closely the hue matches the sunset-fading-toward-twilight moment in the Realm of Shadow I show.
Wonderful video. Especially like your reading of the blue/green dichotomy. It's a good stretch, I think. I was going to say blue + gold = green but That's nothing 😅
Thanks for putting in the effort to tie this together. The clock being a good source and I know it's focused on color but it's helpful to think of instances of silver in Elden Ring as Mercury. Gold is much easier to talk about in a sense of color and Alchemical reference as the word works in both instances.
Fascinating analysis :O. Keep it up! I'm really loving the way you narrate and explain your theories. its also just really refreshing to have some new takes and someone who is willing to not just regurgitate the same takes everyone else has had
Greattt video talking about rhe duality of madness and stability and how gold and yellow is so close to each other. It talks about the juxtaposition of the fingers... Love to see this great unifying theory be more flashed our
Color theory needed more attention. Hawkshaw’s video was impressive in how huge, comprehensive, and early it was, but it basically amounted to “this is this, this is that”, just stating facts about color associations, with minimal if any analysis beyond that. Great work here, and with this whole series
In the end, what i find most brilliant is the simple of idea of taking out red from the spectrum. If plants arent exposed to light or not to full its full spectrum, its hamper their growth. Both infrared and UV help plants grow. Not sufficient enough light, too narrow on the spectrum of lighr is not enough for a lot of plants. Not mentioning the allegory to narrow and zealous way of thinking, shrinking down other ways of thoughts, who are further on the spectrum
Hmm. Putting the stars as an approaching threat to the Lands Between definitely puts in prespective what “fate” they are meant to control specifically.
In Norse myth, Odin is a god of madness, in fact being literally referred to as the "lord of frenzy". And it's no surprise that Marika very blatantly embodies a ton of Odin symbolism, which could be another link between Gold and the yellow Frenzied Flame. Like you point out, they're likely so much more closely connected than is initially apparent - two sides of the same coin.
I love that blue/redshift theory on the sorceries, It makes a lot of sense. However, instead of the relative velocity, perhaps the color of a star denotes the _age_ or the _distance_ from the Lands Between. Due to the expanding nature of the universe, objects far away actually move away from us, and become redshifted as a result. Perhaps that's what we are seeing when glintstone is blue/redshifted. Incantations such as Founding Rain of Stars are meterorites that impact on the ground, and are thus close by and pure blue. However, instead of the individual celestial bodies, Comet Azur portrays a whole cluster/current of stars. Naturally, this would be have to be further away to get the full picture, and has an increased wavelength due to redshift, thus turning green. Similarly, the carian/moon sorceries are very blue tinted, since that light all originates from within the same solar system. Crystalians are glintstone themselves, the origin of their sorceries being their own bodies, and their sorceries are also this pure blue.
On an additional note, I'd like to share my theory on the nature of glintstone. Personally, I think it's specifically the gemstone aquamarine. It comes in a very similar color range as the glintstone we see in game, and there are many connections to water and the cosmos in the lore (primeval current and celestial dew, for example). In this sense, glintstone is analogous to aquamarine's namesake, that being water itself. About 90% of the universe consists of hydrogen, meaning that if you're talking about 'the cosmos', you're also mostly referring to water. I have a post that kind of goes into this connection to aquamarine (and more) on the loretalk subreddit, if you're interested. The title is "The Black Moon of the Nox is Actually a Dead Star"
The blue-shift idea sparked some thoughts. Once upon a time, scientists thought our universe was static. Then as redshift was discovered they realized the universe came from the Big Bang and had expanded outward. There was a hypothesis, the Big Crunch, that the universe would behave cyclically and eventually everything would collapse back in on itself, ready for a new big bang. In our universe, observation of Red Shift showed the opposite, that our universe is actually expanding at an accelerating rate. Specifically, it was found that the further a star is from Earth, the more Red Shifted it becomes (indicating that the further away it is, the faster it is moving away from us). But perhaps the Elden Ring universe actually fits with this "Big Crunch" idea? In which case, we might expect that as objects get closer to us they become more blue-shifted instead. So the ancient, distant cosmic objects (like Azur's comet or the Primeval Current) would be the least blue-shifted, at green. Objects closer to us that are visible with the naked eye would be blue (as you pointed out). Taking this a step further, the closest celestial objects might then be blue-shifted even further, past blue and into *violet*. What would be closer than the stars? Perhaps objects that have *already crashed*, e.g. meteorites. Or better yet, things like the Astels, Fallingstar Beasts and Alabaster Lords, all of which are associated with violet. Admittedly, this isn't how the actual physics works, as the things that have crashed are no longer moving and thus should not actually be blue-shifted anymore, but whatever. Just to go one final step with this, I wonder if this is where Gravity Magic becomes associated with the color violet. Not just because of meteorites, but maybe there's a further meaning. In a Big Crunch scenario, all things collapse back in on themselves because of gravity pulling everything back together. If the Elden Ring universe is doomed to a Big Crunch, then gravity (in the most extreme expression of the Law of Regression) would be what ultimately leads to the destruction ("death") of the universe. In which case: violet = death = gravity. Anyways, that's enough rambling for now. Absolutely loving these videos, keep up the great work!
My mind was completely blown by your analysis in the last grand unified theory. However, this videos script was much more digestible. The breadth of real world theories from Freud to alchemy in the last couple of videos can sometimes get tedious when you have a big long video like the grand unified theory. You will probably get better at making the long scripts the more you keep working on them but I really enjoyed this medium length content.
The stars approaching would explain why Radahn was holding them in place. If he learned the truth, that the stars were all going to crash into the Lands Between, he would commit himself to stopping it. So... in killing him, uh. Also shows why Ranni wanted to just Get Out Of There
I would add that the red-gold armor of the crucible knights supports your statements on red being linked to birth and life. Another potentially interesting bit (especially because of the massive amount of 'eye' imagery and symbolism in this game) is that blue and green eyes are born of the same gene, and that they only look differently because of the physical shape of the eye's inner parts iirc
On topic of the green blue connection, in japanese the split between them is rather recent and ao used to include both, while midori was just one specific shade. Blue is often a way younger color perseption and language while red usually is the oldest
Love to see someone expand on the colour theory, Hawkshaw's video was one of the most influential for me and it really changed how I looked at the DLC in my first playthrough. I don't think your theory is insane, FromSoft are particular about the use of colour, nothing is a coincidence here.
The moon does move by the way. Actually both of them move. Ranni’s moves to Radahn’s arena 2nd phase only and also found up by manus celes. Ranalla moon is seen throughout night time and also by Manus Celes. Also a third moon in the DLC that never moves to my knowledge. So there were 3 moons at the least, maybe 4 cause rellana is named “twin moon” but I haven’t seen another.
Videos like this completely transform the way you consume Elden ring and it’s a testament to fromsofts ability to somehow make even the color of lighting effects matter to a point of large significance
Red tinted gold is Oricalk; literally "Gold Copper". Copper is the physical embodiment of the planet Venus. Oricalk is said to have been a signature of Atlantean civilization, thus indicating an affinity with an Antediluvian epoch. Venus is also the vital fecundity of the earth itself - and is thus closely connected with the "formless mother" (which Plato refers to as the "Khora"; "Receptacle"). The connection between gravity and the color purple is the planet Jupiter, and its association with the archetype of rulership, growth, expansion, etc, which are symbolically embodied by gravity (Jupiter "rules over" its moons by unifying them into a holistic system). This is also why Radan uses Gravity magic. He represents Jupiter in the same way that Ranalia represents the moon, Rani represents mercury/sophia/Hermes trismagistus etc, Miquella is the morning star. Trina is the evening star. The gloam eyed queen is Saturn. Etc etc If you study a bit of alchemy and hermeticism, the symbolism of Elden Ring is all very blatant for the most part. It's a prismatic cosmogony based mostly in Aristotelian mysticism; Marika is light and darkness (Radagon) which divide and then interpenetrate one another so as to give rise to the rest of the spectrum, and that's what her children are. They are the planets and colors. Personally I would have probably used magenta or fuchsia for death/sleep/saturn so that it was more clearly distinguished from the purple of Jupiter/gravity, but the lavender does feel a bit more dreamy, while magenta and fuchsia have much more of an "alien" vibe. You also don't see magenta in nature except under very unusual circumstances (like Goethe's "ray of shadow"). Also the crucible was the volcano version of the erd tree imo. Stone, magma, primeval animality... A crucible is a cauldron for melting things together, like a volcano. It just makes sense tbh. Oh and about the difference between blue and green magic; it seems to me that they are specifically using turquoise for magic associated with comets rather than stars because comets are considered to be agents of chaos and destruction. They are aberrations to the natural order (bad omens) while stars are like the projectors of celestial order itself. So this is then the connection between the primeval current, the comets, the Oricalk (red tinted gold), the concept of chaos and primality etc etc - it's Venus. Copper. That's the common thread. And then Miquella and Trina are also Venus so...
One thing I love about Elden Ring’s lore is that gold is seen as a symbol of status, and intelligence is represented by fingers, just like in our world. Only in Elden Ring it’s for very different reasons than in our own
I didn't quite find anyone with CTRL+F in the comments, who mentioned this so I have to. Clearly we focused on the celestial colors of ELDEN RING and so were green hard to include. (I'm not sure why was silver left out tho) However, "Verdigris is said to be the gift of an outer god. Possessed of an enormously hefty yet supple strength thanks to its rusted nature." Which doesn't really mean that that specific outer god itself is green but it had the ability to give something from within its space which is in fact, green. Just thought to leave it here.
Maybe this has been discussed before, but looking at your video, it occurred to me that the World of Elden Ring might be geocentric. The stars don't move because Radhan kept them in place, but even at night the sky does not change. This might imply that the World is not spinning on its own axis, but rather everything else is orbiting around it. I'm just spitballing here though, so if I'm wrong, please forgive my speculation.
Are we thinking that the Elden Ring may have been more red-ish (primordial gold) before Marika removed the rune of death? Maybe she replaced the rune of death with whatever gold she gained at the gate of divinity. Also, does the red lightning also hint to primordial lightning used by the dragons, when they held the original Elden Ring?
Blue and green: this is partly linguistic! Japanese has used the same word for colors we call blue and green for hundreds of years. Only recently have they been forced by contact with other countries and languages to come up with a more specific word for green.
You said red is related to banished knight, totally thought you were going to say rot lol. Also yellow and gold are two sides of the same coin, which also relates to the 2 and 3 finger being of the same hand but having much different ideologies attached to them. Same, but different.
id love to hear your ideas regarding scarlet rot- the most explicitly called color entitity, and its weird shitfting states from scarlet-red to the most intriguing for me: pink-magenta in romina (also verdigris) Magenta is a special color because it actually doesnt exist in the same way the other colors do and maybe there is a connection to the 'birthing' stage of rot, a new rot, that Romina uses compared to the scarlet Malenia holds back, the same god/entity/magic but in different stages of life (or light). Scarlet rot seems to be a bit of a trick name: its not always scarlet, its color is in constant dance with the state of the decomposition-recomposition and what it grows onto. In lands between scarlet rot is trying to decompose gold and its result is scarlet-brownish, desaturated, dying, but in lands of shadows with romania its in another stage of blooming, with another type of light maybe, and it results in magenta
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Nah I think you cooked with that blueshift theory
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DUDE! The stars moving towards the LB makes so much sense!! The Astels are the stars, and radahn must have been holding them back for this very reason.
I love Radahn as much as anyone else, but I doubt he was holding the literal stars back with his own strength. There are other gods and demigods in the Land Between, and they've done things less impressive than him. Yet the community likes him more because he was wholly epic (and a chad.) It's much more believable he formulated some spell while studying in Selia to hold back the Stars and maintained it subconsciously at a minimum, only releasing the spell when he died. This is much more in line with real world scientists, who discovered equations and laws of nature, but hardly had any control over them in anyway. Newton formulated the equations that describe the laws of motion, but he had no control over them, let alone the apple that fell on his head. Marie Curie discovered radiation but that didn't stop radium from killing her. In Elden Ring, Radahn just so happened to ALSO be a super-strong general who was a contender to be a lord in addition to being the guy who discovered that stars were headed towards the Lands Between, then creating a spell that held them back which included the stars that governed fate.
You're forgetting who's son he is, his siblings either pretenders for a new god seat. Miquella having powers to literally stall other gods, it's not stretched to say he could wield such powers to halt the movement of the stars - to the point he could stop the fate of Ranni - the other god chosen. His death literally makes sky move again, you can see after his death cutscene.
@@bartomiejmieszczak5195radahn becomes a nuclear laser in the dlc I believe he kicked the stars arse for awhile
The connection to azurite and malachite warmed my little chemist heart. Awesome content as usual Ellipsis! Keep it up!
In the spirit of your out on a limb vibe- Wondering if there's also a connection to be made with primordial red-tinged gold and the fact that the smallest colloidal gold nanoparticles also appearing red and shift to appearing more purple as the nanoparticles increase in size?
You go on a world tour on that limb, Mr Ellipsis, the sky is the limit
You and tarnished archeologist are the two youtubers that consistently hit the nail on the head. Keep up the great work.
You should watch scum mage infa and Nameless singer as well :3
Add Centered Tarnished to that list as well!
The Alchemist, too
check out nameless singer
Bro casually dropped on the lore scene a month ago and is consistently delivering bangers! Great work as always
The entirety of stars falling at you is terrifying. I didn't hear anything like this before and I'm genuinely scared now.
If it helps, in the real world they aren't falling toward us.
But they are all falling away from us. Which is its own kind of existential terror.
@@Silent_EllipsisYup! Our universe's greatest force is pushing things away from each other, like causality, which will one day entirely separate our pockets of the universe by eternal dark voids that allow no light or energy to pass through.
Certainly fits with the Law of Regression.
Sooo, just to take this a couple steps further... as you say, in our universe everything is falling "away" from us; the accelerating expansion of the universe as it's refered to in cosmology. We came to understand this because we found that the further out stars were, the more red-shifted they appeared to us. Astronomers once thought the universe was static. After the big bang theory was founded scientists instead considered that the universe might instead be cyclic, wherein the universe would eventually collapse back in on itself to start a big bang again. This is the "big crunch" hypothesis. Of course, in our universe we determined this was not the case, but your blue-shift idea makes me think that's what the elden ring universe *is* doing.
Going further, we know in our world that the universe's expansion is accelerating because the further away things are, the more red-shifted they become. If you invert this for the Elden Ring universe, then objects would become more blue-shifted the closer they got to us, because they are accelerating more rapidly towards us. So all the distant, ancient cosmic things (e.g. primeval current) are the least blue shifted, the more easily visible stars are blue, and meteorites (Astels, Fallingstar Beasts, Alabaster Lords, etc) are at the most extreme, being blue-shifted past blue into violet (from a physics point of view this doesn't actually make sense, since the meteorites have landed and are no longer moving so they should no longer be blue-shifted, but whatever).
Finally, I wonder if this is why gravity magic is associated with violet? If a big crunch is to come to pass, then gravity (the Law of Regression taken to its extreme) will eventually be the destruction (the death) of all things. Thus, violet = death = gravity?
Anyway, that's enough rambling and raving for now
The stars rushing in would explain Radahn's actions to halt them (which he does with purple gravity magic), and it would also explain the implied prehistorical period when the Lands Between were bombarded by impacts.
Yearning for more limbs like Godrick over here
You actually got me with that one.
Bro is cooking so well he gonna get a fallingstar of Michelin beast soon 🙏🏻
This is crazy I love it
The big crunch
In regards to blue vs green, I’d just like to point out that in Japanese 青 (ao) means both blue and green. They are more akin to shades of each other than distinct colours, much like marine and cyan is in the western world
If you break gold down to its liquid form it is red!
I’ve wondered about the green/blue sorceries forever, thank you
If ALL of the stars are blue shifting because they are getting closer, then that would make the lands between the epicenter in the inevitable collapse of the cosmos*. That fits in really neatly with the Law of Regression, actually.
The inverse of this would be the universe of the past when it was still spreading, still operating under Casualty. Obviously this universe works differently, but those spreading stars would be redshifted, one might say amber.
Wonderful video! Obviously we loved the limb.
*Literal center of the universe, then?
Today's sermon was a banger
That blue shifting is Genius, as is your "horseshoe theory"-esque observations regarding red and violet, and yellow and gold.
Ranni actually laughed & said "Oh you thought I was only sending ONE Falling Star at you??"
There was a post on reddit the other day about how there's a greenish field of light that appears behind the Gates of Divinity, and I offhandedly said without evidence that it could be the Primeval Current showing through, but after hearing your "limb" idea about the distinction between blue and green I'm slightly more convinced!
About yellow, mi theory is that the sun felled and that was the greater wills mistake. Midras phase change attack looks like a sun falling down and he has an attack where he summons two flaming spheres similar to the flame of the fell god incantations. Both the furnace golem (which depicts the fell god) and the frencied flame can burn body and spirit too...
Honestly, I've been thinking along similar grounds.
@Silent_Ellipsis i look forward your video about the frencied flame then!
My goat has dropped another banger 🙏🙏🙏
i love Gold-Tinged Excrement
The Yellow vs. Gold thing is interesting to me because of the specific definition (or perhaps more accurately, goal) of Madness in Elden Ring is, in a certain sense, order. All that there is, burned, universally burned into ash or melted down into one combined substance. There is order in that, in a Horseshoe Theory kinda way...
Or to put it in Dark Souls terms, if you took the Fire that brought Disparity to the world and maximized its intensity so that it consumed everything, you would come back around to there being no Disparity, just as there was during the age of Stone Dragons and Everlasting Archtrees.
Edit: Go as far out on a limb as you can. Crazy-ass FromSoft lore theories scratch the same itch as all my favorite crazy conspiracy theories about the real world do without all the crappy baggage.
Just finished work, boutta walk home along the canals with a nice blunt… see this uploaded 2 minutes ago.
Not to mention, me and the boys all got into the Nightreign ONT.
Oh yeah, today’s a good day.
Blessed life
A good smoke and some Elden lore is healthy for the mind Elden lore teaches you so much
Amsterdam?
Go out on all the limbs!! Your video is amazing. Its rooted in very clear logic that offers a lot of room for more theoretical expansion fun.
Your point about blue earthly stars vs green primordial stars got me thinking about how primordial life might be related to vitality of life (green). I wonder why/how/if that differs from the red vitality of the crucible?
I also love your point about orderly gold and yellow chaos being almost visually indistinguishable. Would absolutely love to hear more of your - and everyone's - thoughts on that.
I think that the concept of total order is almost unattainable. Try to implement total order, and you get total chaos, as the game has shown us. Almost as if Order is just a gilded front for Chaos. Maybe it would be a mistake to view them as separate and conflicting concepts in the first place; a new(?) approach to the old fire vs darkness cycle of Dark Souls.
Absolutely excellent first episode for Between Meanings. Quite enjoyed the dive into Blue/Green. One point that occurred to me while watching that section is that the overlap of Blue and Green may at least in part come from a linguistic influence, since Aoi (青い) is often used for blue, but sometimes for green, or blue-green as well. It also has meanings like "pale color" and "fresh". Anyway, the overlap may be a nod to this bit of linguistics from Japan. In game, if we look through the lens of "freshness" we can also note the pieces of lore which describe the stars as a source of life and energy. Another thought that occurs to me is that in our world, there are no green celestial objects - due to the physics of stars and light emission, they can't be green.
These branches are wonderful. Please keep it up. Absolutely my favorite ER content lately!
loving your grand unified theory. so happy your proper videos were recommended to me. it makes so much sense! can’t wait to cuddle up and sink my teeth into this one!
Engagement thing! And going on a limb to the max sounds like an amazing sister series to do in between the main videos!
Nice notion on the yellow and gold being close to each other. Maybe we could identify them apart but not without the guidance of grace!
You've really came out swinging with your Elden Ring theories my guy. I look forward to every video, long or "medium"
Your stuff is great. I like things a little more in depth, interpretive, and risky than the big vids nowadays. You're respectful to other creators you mention, you're doing good analysis, your theories are fun. You're demeanor has been great too. Keep it up, I'm really liking your style.
Also to help with the blue/green stars or current. The Star-lined sword is lined in the center with blue turned green stars that form a current which represented who held this sword swears to find the truth that lies at the end of the procession of stars.
Dude, all of your videos are incredible. You'll propose something that sounds totally out of the left field, but then leave me asking how I didn't notice something so obvious by the end of it. You deserve hundreds of times more subs than you have right now. I'm a huge consumer of ER lore videos, but I'm always looking forward to your next one more than any other lore youtuber because I know it's going to make me look at the game a whole different way.
I am so glad you mentioned blue shifting. I was getting my comment ready to bring up both blue and red shifting because I think of both as a part of this unified theory of ER being a parallel to the inner world of man, and just from a literal interpretation the addition of light wave shifting is important and adds to the lore.
To add to it, if blue shifting is an implication that all of the stars in the sky are falling to the lands between, then red shifting to me is an in game representation of these sources of light being returned to the stardust that all life came from, and even deeper, the “one great”. Which I believe is the void, or as Ymir puts it “the great rift in the skies”.
As for yellow and the Frenzy flame? I think I have an idea. In color theory, yellow is actually a rather optimistic color, with the major difference between yellow and gold being that gold is more relative to royalty and power, and a sense of sophistication compared to the more simplistic yellow. So in a context, order/gold/the inner light of stability is a more sophisticated inner light or ideal. Yellow/chaos/the inner light of absolute change and creativity is a more simplistic and energetic ideal.
However, the contrasting or complementary colors to gold and yellow (order and chaos) is purple or violet. Which we know is the color associated with death before Marikas age.
Order and chaos are to me, the two factors of what makes “life.” Take a mass of chaos, swirling and ever changing and add order to it, structure. Add a pull between these meanings and you get similarly to our own universe with spiral galaxies and nebulae, a living universe where life can be born. To complement life, death, the combining of returnal and arrival, red and blue into one. The transition, the twilight between this life and the next, the return to stardust.
Too much of any one color throws the entire system out of balance, at least from a perspective of your average person in the lands between. If we do away with order, and death, and fully embrace the yellow, we see the world return to the “one great”. The swirling mass of chaos returns all of existence into its original state before order.
And one last note, since this is more of a quick tirade than a genuine sort of thesis I’m making. Redshifting = returnal to the stars. So it makes even more sense why the flame of frenzy is not only yellow, but is filled with subtle red hues as well. It is the ultimate force driving existence back to its origin.
Being featured in this vid made my week, man. Another stellar video as always, can't wait for your next one!
The idea that stars are moving towards the lands between fits perfectly with the theory that the entire surface was flooded with magma in the ancient past, covering the skulls and enormous architecture we see jutting from the landscape. Fallen stars buried the titan civilization.
Just rewatched one of the Tarnished Archaeologist videos on this, and yes, indeed.
I really love your voice and your editing. And now I'm totally sold on your theory. Damn, it sends shivers down my spine!!
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This is really incredible. I enjoy your theories so very much, especially how they make me want to engage both with the story and actually research stuff ive fought about. Great series! Hoping you'll one day do an episode on the Stars and the Magic associated with it.
Great stuff! You've quickly become my favorite ER lore UA-camr -- or at least tied for first. Keep it up!
Awesome breakdown! High level analysis like yours helps me understand what I’m looking at as I replay Elden Ring. To this day I’m shocked at just how cohesive the Lands Between are.
Also: 15 minutes was a great length! Keep these up!
You’re on it boss, I know hawkshaws video well because I feel there’s more a connection and here you are spearheading it. Godspeed you tarnished
Your observation of the green sorceries being related with copper oxidation relates with the lore of verdigris. Maybe green stars are older?
I'm so excited for this video, been crafting a "unified theory" of Elden Ring for months and I've been waiting for someone to really get into the color symbolism
I love how good the community has been at recognizing the work of other creators. Great video!
Also, it's worth mentioning that at release, destined death was actually purple. Fun fact.
@@jackmcnulty4155 I think the color they ended up with has a faint shift toward purple in there (while still being primarily identifiable as red). The more I look at it, the more impressed I am by how closely the hue matches the sunset-fading-toward-twilight moment in the Realm of Shadow I show.
God i cant wait for your next video. Youre making my first replay of elden ring so much richer than i expected
Just what i need for my lunch break, thanks for the great vid😁
The idea of the stars all moving menacingly towards the Lands Between actually made my heart rate increase. That is so dreadful and scary wtf
Wonderful video.
Especially like your reading of the blue/green dichotomy. It's a good stretch, I think.
I was going to say blue + gold = green but
That's nothing 😅
Day. Dusk. Twilight. Night. Dawn. But you forgot one. You forgot the most import of all celestial cycles.
Cat.
Thanks for putting in the effort to tie this together. The clock being a good source and I know it's focused on color but it's helpful to think of instances of silver in Elden Ring as Mercury. Gold is much easier to talk about in a sense of color and Alchemical reference as the word works in both instances.
Fascinating analysis :O. Keep it up! I'm really loving the way you narrate and explain your theories. its also just really refreshing to have some new takes and someone who is willing to not just regurgitate the same takes everyone else has had
Great explanations! I've subbed and am stoked for the future Gold and Yellow video
Go nuts with the theories dude, I’d love to hear your wildest!
Greattt video talking about rhe duality of madness and stability and how gold and yellow is so close to each other. It talks about the juxtaposition of the fingers...
Love to see this great unifying theory be more flashed our
Color theory needed more attention. Hawkshaw’s video was impressive in how huge, comprehensive, and early it was, but it basically amounted to “this is this, this is that”, just stating facts about color associations, with minimal if any analysis beyond that. Great work here, and with this whole series
This was the best theory about primeval current I've heard.
In the end, what i find most brilliant is the simple of idea of taking out red from the spectrum. If plants arent exposed to light or not to full its full spectrum, its hamper their growth. Both infrared and UV help plants grow. Not sufficient enough light, too narrow on the spectrum of lighr is not enough for a lot of plants. Not mentioning the allegory to narrow and zealous way of thinking, shrinking down other ways of thoughts, who are further on the spectrum
Oh boy, it’s the video I’ve been waiting for!
Hmm. Putting the stars as an approaching threat to the Lands Between definitely puts in prespective what “fate” they are meant to control specifically.
Crazy this game is still getting assessed and studied and written about. It came out years ago now
Dark blue is indigo, green is jade. Yellow is fool's gold, only those desperate, ignorant, or gullible enough believe it's gold.
This is literally my favorite video on Elden ring lore. This concept being applied in the game so well is just so beautiful to me.
I just realized you were walking on a limb while going out on a limb.
In Norse myth, Odin is a god of madness, in fact being literally referred to as the "lord of frenzy". And it's no surprise that Marika very blatantly embodies a ton of Odin symbolism, which could be another link between Gold and the yellow Frenzied Flame. Like you point out, they're likely so much more closely connected than is initially apparent - two sides of the same coin.
I love that blue/redshift theory on the sorceries, It makes a lot of sense. However, instead of the relative velocity, perhaps the color of a star denotes the _age_ or the _distance_ from the Lands Between. Due to the expanding nature of the universe, objects far away actually move away from us, and become redshifted as a result. Perhaps that's what we are seeing when glintstone is blue/redshifted.
Incantations such as Founding Rain of Stars are meterorites that impact on the ground, and are thus close by and pure blue. However, instead of the individual celestial bodies, Comet Azur portrays a whole cluster/current of stars. Naturally, this would be have to be further away to get the full picture, and has an increased wavelength due to redshift, thus turning green.
Similarly, the carian/moon sorceries are very blue tinted, since that light all originates from within the same solar system. Crystalians are glintstone themselves, the origin of their sorceries being their own bodies, and their sorceries are also this pure blue.
On an additional note, I'd like to share my theory on the nature of glintstone. Personally, I think it's specifically the gemstone aquamarine. It comes in a very similar color range as the glintstone we see in game, and there are many connections to water and the cosmos in the lore (primeval current and celestial dew, for example).
In this sense, glintstone is analogous to aquamarine's namesake, that being water itself. About 90% of the universe consists of hydrogen, meaning that if you're talking about 'the cosmos', you're also mostly referring to water.
I have a post that kind of goes into this connection to aquamarine (and more) on the loretalk subreddit, if you're interested. The title is "The Black Moon of the Nox is Actually a Dead Star"
I wanna see some more wild limbs like a giant inflatable waving tube man.
Amazing find with the quirks of lusat and azur!
The blue-shift idea sparked some thoughts. Once upon a time, scientists thought our universe was static. Then as redshift was discovered they realized the universe came from the Big Bang and had expanded outward. There was a hypothesis, the Big Crunch, that the universe would behave cyclically and eventually everything would collapse back in on itself, ready for a new big bang. In our universe, observation of Red Shift showed the opposite, that our universe is actually expanding at an accelerating rate. Specifically, it was found that the further a star is from Earth, the more Red Shifted it becomes (indicating that the further away it is, the faster it is moving away from us).
But perhaps the Elden Ring universe actually fits with this "Big Crunch" idea? In which case, we might expect that as objects get closer to us they become more blue-shifted instead. So the ancient, distant cosmic objects (like Azur's comet or the Primeval Current) would be the least blue-shifted, at green. Objects closer to us that are visible with the naked eye would be blue (as you pointed out). Taking this a step further, the closest celestial objects might then be blue-shifted even further, past blue and into *violet*. What would be closer than the stars? Perhaps objects that have *already crashed*, e.g. meteorites. Or better yet, things like the Astels, Fallingstar Beasts and Alabaster Lords, all of which are associated with violet. Admittedly, this isn't how the actual physics works, as the things that have crashed are no longer moving and thus should not actually be blue-shifted anymore, but whatever.
Just to go one final step with this, I wonder if this is where Gravity Magic becomes associated with the color violet. Not just because of meteorites, but maybe there's a further meaning. In a Big Crunch scenario, all things collapse back in on themselves because of gravity pulling everything back together. If the Elden Ring universe is doomed to a Big Crunch, then gravity (in the most extreme expression of the Law of Regression) would be what ultimately leads to the destruction ("death") of the universe. In which case: violet = death = gravity.
Anyways, that's enough rambling for now. Absolutely loving these videos, keep up the great work!
My mind was completely blown by your analysis in the last grand unified theory. However, this videos script was much more digestible. The breadth of real world theories from Freud to alchemy in the last couple of videos can sometimes get tedious when you have a big long video like the grand unified theory. You will probably get better at making the long scripts the more you keep working on them but I really enjoyed this medium length content.
Hell yeah, clicked within seconds m8. Perfect to eat my breakfast to ❤ color theory is one of my favorites too
Literally same
The stars approaching would explain why Radahn was holding them in place. If he learned the truth, that the stars were all going to crash into the Lands Between, he would commit himself to stopping it.
So... in killing him, uh.
Also shows why Ranni wanted to just Get Out Of There
I would add that the red-gold armor of the crucible knights supports your statements on red being linked to birth and life. Another potentially interesting bit (especially because of the massive amount of 'eye' imagery and symbolism in this game) is that blue and green eyes are born of the same gene, and that they only look differently because of the physical shape of the eye's inner parts iirc
I am thinking a lot about eye imagery, so that is an interesting factoid!
On topic of the green blue connection, in japanese the split between them is rather recent and ao used to include both, while midori was just one specific shade. Blue is often a way younger color perseption and language while red usually is the oldest
wonderfully done video!
Love to see someone expand on the colour theory, Hawkshaw's video was one of the most influential for me and it really changed how I looked at the DLC in my first playthrough.
I don't think your theory is insane, FromSoft are particular about the use of colour, nothing is a coincidence here.
Babe new color theory dropped
The moon does move by the way. Actually both of them move. Ranni’s moves to Radahn’s arena 2nd phase only and also found up by manus celes. Ranalla moon is seen throughout night time and also by Manus Celes. Also a third moon in the DLC that never moves to my knowledge. So there were 3 moons at the least, maybe 4 cause rellana is named “twin moon” but I haven’t seen another.
Oh please do expand into the wild theories this is insanely interesting
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Excellent! Wonderful.
The Sky and the Cosmos are one.
Great job dude!
Videos like this completely transform the way you consume Elden ring and it’s a testament to fromsofts ability to somehow make even the color of lighting effects matter to a point of large significance
Red tinted gold is Oricalk; literally "Gold Copper". Copper is the physical embodiment of the planet Venus. Oricalk is said to have been a signature of Atlantean civilization, thus indicating an affinity with an Antediluvian epoch. Venus is also the vital fecundity of the earth itself - and is thus closely connected with the "formless mother" (which Plato refers to as the "Khora"; "Receptacle"). The connection between gravity and the color purple is the planet Jupiter, and its association with the archetype of rulership, growth, expansion, etc, which are symbolically embodied by gravity (Jupiter "rules over" its moons by unifying them into a holistic system). This is also why Radan uses Gravity magic. He represents Jupiter in the same way that Ranalia represents the moon, Rani represents mercury/sophia/Hermes trismagistus etc, Miquella is the morning star. Trina is the evening star. The gloam eyed queen is Saturn. Etc etc
If you study a bit of alchemy and hermeticism, the symbolism of Elden Ring is all very blatant for the most part. It's a prismatic cosmogony based mostly in Aristotelian mysticism; Marika is light and darkness (Radagon) which divide and then interpenetrate one another so as to give rise to the rest of the spectrum, and that's what her children are. They are the planets and colors.
Personally I would have probably used magenta or fuchsia for death/sleep/saturn so that it was more clearly distinguished from the purple of Jupiter/gravity, but the lavender does feel a bit more dreamy, while magenta and fuchsia have much more of an "alien" vibe. You also don't see magenta in nature except under very unusual circumstances (like Goethe's "ray of shadow").
Also the crucible was the volcano version of the erd tree imo. Stone, magma, primeval animality... A crucible is a cauldron for melting things together, like a volcano. It just makes sense tbh.
Oh and about the difference between blue and green magic; it seems to me that they are specifically using turquoise for magic associated with comets rather than stars because comets are considered to be agents of chaos and destruction. They are aberrations to the natural order (bad omens) while stars are like the projectors of celestial order itself. So this is then the connection between the primeval current, the comets, the Oricalk (red tinted gold), the concept of chaos and primality etc etc - it's Venus. Copper. That's the common thread.
And then Miquella and Trina are also Venus so...
Keep up the good work!
I like that you go out on limbs, but I also like the disclaimer and the fact that you are open to being wrong.
Only downside, is that this video is only 15 minutes long. 15 blissful minutes
One thing I love about Elden Ring’s lore is that gold is seen as a symbol of status, and intelligence is represented by fingers, just like in our world. Only in Elden Ring it’s for very different reasons than in our own
I didn't quite find anyone with CTRL+F in the comments, who mentioned this so I have to. Clearly we focused on the celestial colors of ELDEN RING and so were green hard to include. (I'm not sure why was silver left out tho) However, "Verdigris is said to be the gift of an outer god. Possessed of an enormously hefty yet supple strength thanks to its rusted nature." Which doesn't really mean that that specific outer god itself is green but it had the ability to give something from within its space which is in fact, green.
Just thought to leave it here.
Ah, good point. And silver kept coming up in the context of other colors, so that felt more natural than making a separate little chapter.
Maybe this has been discussed before, but looking at your video, it occurred to me that the World of Elden Ring might be geocentric. The stars don't move because Radhan kept them in place, but even at night the sky does not change. This might imply that the World is not spinning on its own axis, but rather everything else is orbiting around it. I'm just spitballing here though, so if I'm wrong, please forgive my speculation.
I highly encourage you to go out on all the limbs!
Are we thinking that the Elden Ring may have been more red-ish (primordial gold) before Marika removed the rune of death? Maybe she replaced the rune of death with whatever gold she gained at the gate of divinity. Also, does the red lightning also hint to primordial lightning used by the dragons, when they held the original Elden Ring?
keep it up these are sick
the stars do move
in multiple places but notably manus metyr
Blue and green: this is partly linguistic! Japanese has used the same word for colors we call blue and green for hundreds of years. Only recently have they been forced by contact with other countries and languages to come up with a more specific word for green.
I was tempted to bring this up, actually. In fact, I've heard that in many languages, green is the last "major" color to be named.
You said red is related to banished knight, totally thought you were going to say rot lol.
Also yellow and gold are two sides of the same coin, which also relates to the 2 and 3 finger being of the same hand but having much different ideologies attached to them. Same, but different.
id love to hear your ideas regarding scarlet rot- the most explicitly called color entitity, and its weird shitfting states from scarlet-red to the most intriguing for me: pink-magenta in romina (also verdigris)
Magenta is a special color because it actually doesnt exist in the same way the other colors do and maybe there is a connection to the 'birthing' stage of rot, a new rot, that Romina uses compared to the scarlet Malenia holds back, the same god/entity/magic but in different stages of life (or light).
Scarlet rot seems to be a bit of a trick name: its not always scarlet, its color is in constant dance with the state of the decomposition-recomposition and what it grows onto. In lands between scarlet rot is trying to decompose gold and its result is scarlet-brownish, desaturated, dying, but in lands of shadows with romania its in another stage of blooming, with another type of light maybe, and it results in magenta
The magenta point is interesting, actually. I'm going to have to look more closely as where that color appears.
@@Silent_Ellipsis im glad
Great video