I'd say what kind of stuff that man has done in his past including how many people he has probably killed or at least been indirectly responsible for their deaths
@@sokagofferenginar8669 My personal favourite story being the one where he got posted to Romulus and and wipes out this dude by growing a flower whose spores interact with the spores of a flower in his target’s garden to form a poisonous gas which kills him.
Garak is probably one of the better written characters in Star Trek history. It's not often that there's a main character who is both frequently cynical and humorous.
Garak saying "I told you everything I could think of" is not "I told you everything I know". It's more like an admission that "I can't think of any other lies right now."
@@gokublack8342 It is and he recognized the assassin. He didn't know who hired him though. Pointing a finger at the assassin would have been out of character and counter productive.
yeah he gets ahead of all the killers after him by keeping a close eye on all arrivals and is ready for them as soon as they get there hes always at quarks ie the leader of the local black market he keeps track of the people on the ststion Kira has the benifit of having high level access no hacking required and he cant proactivly get rid of her her presence is normal and exepted and her distain for him is expected
He really did! I still remember coming across him in its always sunny in Philadelphia and knowing I recognised him but not from where. His voice triggered something, but his face wasn't smooth enough. Then I realised.
Now there are three morals to that story: 1) If you continuously lie, no one will believe you even if you tell the truth. 2) The moment you doubt it happens will be the moment it actually does. 3) Never tell the same lie twice.
5) If you believe there's a wolf about, don't use, as your sole watchman, an unarmed child whom you have resolved to ignore. (Mitchell and Webb) 6) No, we didn't crossbow the git. You all saw: wolf got him. (Oglaf)
If the young boy had spent less time lying and more time trying to think of ways to protect the flock, he may never have been eaten at all. Effective time management can also be seen here, had the boy spent his time collecting stones and practicing his sling he could have killed the wolf. Instead he got bored and lazy then he took the easiest route. Or it's a story perhaps about neglect and loneliness, could not the "wolf" be a metaphor for suicidal thoughts???
The line "I've told you everything I can think of" is particularly interesting. Garak avoided saying "I've told you everything I KNOW". I've worked, trying to get refunds from people who would put farengi to shame, so I know an evasive response when I hear one.
Bashir was like a catharsis for Garak, he seemed to actually like opening up slowly to him. He actually started to trust Bashir over the years, and shared things he couldn’t share with anyone else. Even if he still dissembled fairly regularly.
Garak is many things. A tailor, an outcast, a con-man... the list is long and varied. But no one has ever accused him of being innocent. (And, in fact, he was the one that blew his shop up)
Like in the episode where Quark put ads all over the station. Kira: "If all your little advertisements aren't purged from our system by the time I get back, **I** will come to Quarks. And believe me, I will have fun!" 😆😨
I love how in another episode when Garrak actually is being almost assassinated, the Costable quickly sees through Garrak and catches that Garrak really didnt knew why he's being targeted, as he said "Garak would be spewing a web of lies as of this moment." but in the episode he was not talkative...
Isn't it later in this episode when they suggested the Romulans might have hired an assassin to do the job. He says he can't think of a reason the Romulans would want him dead, then goes quiet and looks genuinely thoughtful.
"Well that's a little graphic for children, wouldn't you say?" Legitimately one of the only times Garak seems genuinely naïve - that's one of the LEAST traumatising traditional children's stories. Imagine his reaction to Hansel and Gretel - parents leaving their children in the woods to starve (multiple times), a cannibalistic old woman using one as a slave while preparing to eat the other and it all ends in a little girl murdering her by shoving her into an oven and holding the door closed while she burns alive, then letting her brother out, looting her house and going back home to provide for the parents that abandoned them. And that's not even the bottom of the horror barrel.
4:30 I love how Garak eavesdrops on Odo and o'Brien in such an obvious manner. He almost seems like he's confused by their ineptitude, like he wants to outright say "Gentlemen, are you aware that I can still hear you?"
in a later episode they do exactly that... when the klingons are about attack cardassia and they call in Garak to take Siscos measurement for a suit cause they cant warn the cardassians offically
@@JimmySteller Civic politeness is an issue with the federation. Humans tend to avoid disclosing 'bad' news loudly in front of people whom it actually affected.
@@drchaos2000 I remember the little ironic twist, where Garak respectfully offered to come back later and Sisko had to firmly insist that he take the measures right there ;)
I also love the consistency is showing how well Cardessians value family and their young when he expresses alarm at how the story is too graphic for children.
Importantly, the lesson would be to never by caught telling the same lie twice. Undoubtably Garak had used the same lie for as long as it was servicable, the moment to give it up is when you are caught in it. If you know that people who caught you in the lie aren't going to share that information with others you can still use it, you just have to exercise greater care.
@Three-Headed-Monkey What would Garaks' reaction be to a copy of the Brothers Grim? "You do seem to have children being eaten a lot in children's stories, a strange obsession for a species on the top of the food chain on its Homeworld, don't you think? What I don't get is why the perpetrators are sometimes members of your own species."
Garak telling Odo he didn't pay his taxes might be the one of the few times he tells the truth. I'd like to believe it's the real reason he was exiled but it sounds so mundane that no one would ever believe it. The whole time he works in his shop he's having all his earnings garnished by the Cardassian Government until he has paid them back so he can come back to Cardassia. Tain says Garak betrayed him because in their Audit they found out he wasn't paying his taxes too.
"You expect us to believe you were exiled for failure to pay taxes??" Well now that you mention it, even the Joker knows better than to mess with the IRS!
I mean, they caught enough criminals (and some of them extremely important and with incredible security nets and ties to the policemen) thanks to them evading taxes that I can find this actually believable.
It would not surprise me if that was the 'official' reason he was exiled. Like they real reason would require revealing too much sensitive information so they to make something up. And maybe Enabran Tain did it deliberately just to annoy Garak.
Not really, a habitual liar is never believed even if it's not the same lie. The writing in this clip is a lot weaker than in later seasons. Clunky, on the nose, takes too long to get to the point, not as clever as the characters think it is.
@@Brasswatchmantheres another reading. That you shouldn't give important responsibility to people you have determined to be untrustworthy. They lost the boy and a flock of sheep because they sent a known liar to watch over them.
Probably the most interesting character on that entire show. And the most consistent as most of the others have had character contradictions you can spot in a few episodes. For example there's the episode where Quark has to scan Kira for a client and she has an aversion to holodecks for some reason. In an earlier episode Sisko insists she enjoys herself and gives her a bunch of things and orders her to enjoy at least two and she picks up the holodeck crystal and smirks.
“Never tell the same lie twice” could be an interpretation of the story. However, many lies require a consistency among themselves. Failing to stick to the same lie would make the story unravel even quicker
I think it would still count as one lie. I mean: the first time the boy tells everyone there was a wolf and it run off. then he never says that same lie again. but he keeps up the first lie - saying things like "wow, I was really lucky that one time when I saw a wolf and didn't get hurt" and "isn't it incredible that one time I saw a wolf and it ignored my sheep?". so he is consistent on the first line but never says the same (or a similar) lie again. then when the wolf really comes it's only the second time he screams wolf and everybody arrives. this time they find the wolf so it just reinforces their belief that the first time the boy was also telling the truth and he was just extremely lucky.
In this specific case I think the actual answer is (as it is so often), it depends. Calling a wolf every time would become obvious, fast. If you had a different thing happening with a different reason why its no longer there, I could see that maybe working another time or two, maybe even just so they can see what crazy story you came up with this time.
@@kindlinbut do you bring weapons with which to bring down a wolf to hear the boy tell a fable? This could instead get you to the interesting ending where the boy cries wolf, and there really is a wolf. Everyone rushes out to hear his story and the entire village is promptly killed by the wolf.
@@MathignihilcehkExcept that a wolf won't try to attack a huge group, even if they were unarmed. The odds of it getting hurt are much higher with more people there, even if they are unarmed, so it would simply leave to find easier prey.
2:51 "Are you _sure_ that's the point, Doctor?" "Of course. What else could it be?" "That you should never tell the same lie _twice."_ Leave it to Garak to miss the answer to the _question_ he just asked. He wanted to know why _no_ one was willing to believe him, even when he was telling the _truth._ Julian illustrated that he lies _so_ consistently, it is now seen as his _default._ Therefore, it has become everyone's default _assumption_ about him. Telling different lies _every_ time has taken a little longer, but it has led to the same _conclusion._ He now shares the same state of existence as the _shepherd_ boy. 🤷♂
Hmm intersting i suppose a better line would be "never get caught telling the same lie" as if youre never caught why would you think people dont believe you, would also highlight his slight arrogance in thinking he can get away with all his lies for as long as he wants.
"I seriously doubt the finance ministry would try to have me killed over failure to pay my taxes." Every government in present day: *innocent whistling*
Garak's interpretation reminds me of when I heard the Rainbow Fish in grade school. Kid me's interpretation was "if given the chance, people will take what makes you special".
Looking back at this scene, I feel like Garak is ironically showing who he trusts (although what "trust" means for Garak is probably diffrrent from common understanding of the word). By telling Bashir his opinion of the children's story, he is hinting at his method of handling questioning/interrogations, "never tell the same lie twice". To Odo, he is either being transparent that he has already viewed the security logs, or Garak is implying he could view the security logs but elected not to out of respect Odo.
I like how Garak took absolutely no offense to O'Brien turning around and lowering his voice while discussing sensitive information. Cardassian to the core.
"Well, that's a little graphic for children, wouldn't you say?" Oh, Garak... there is a man who would find researching humannity's children's tales - and the implications of the changes we have made to them over time (and not just by Disney) truly fascinating.
I saw this as part of an episode of DS9. I wasn't expecting such a gem. I have repeatedly told people about it. How nice to see it wasn't only me that found it so profound :)
Garak was awesome ... would have been a perfect show without the obnoxious overacting of Sisko and most of his characters prophet nonsense. Avery Brooks as an actor and Sisko as a character really was a let down in an otherwise brilliant show. Bit of religion for alien cultures and aliens being mistaken for gods is fine, but a human chosen one actually saving the day multiple times was some of the worst writing within the franchise.
I've always seen a different version hiding behind the story of the 'Boy Who Cried Wolf'. The version we always here is by its nature, the version shared by the surviving adults, the ones who left him to die and be eaten by a wolf. So one day a shepherd boy is tending his flock when he spots a wolf prowling in the woods nearby. As he is supposed to he raises the alarm, and the adults of the village gather up weapons and rush over to aid him, but all the commotion and noise of the mass of people causes the wolf to flee long before they get there. They look around for awhile, but see no sign of the wolf, or perhaps discount tracks as that of a local dog. A few days pass and it happens again, and again the mass of people shouting and carrying weapons causes the wolf to flee, and so none of them ever see the wolf. Now they start to grumble about the boy 'seeing things' and 'jumping at his own shadow.' They start to resent his interruption to their day for 'no good reason'. And again, only a couple days later, they come, less eager, less quickly, but no less noisily, but once again, nothing, and when they get home this time it is more than grumbling, they are pissed off that this Child is wasting their time on an 'imaginary wolf'. Finally, the day after the last time, the child calls out that he's seen the wolf again, and the adult turn a deaf ear, certain they wouldn't see anything, so it must not be true. And so the child alone tries to fight off the wolf to protect the village's sheep, only to be killed. The adults don't discover this until hours later when they wonder why he hasn't taken the sheep back into the village for the night. They find his body, bloody and bitten, and in their grief and guilt they turn on him even more, declare that it's His fault they didn't show up.
Odo’s computer is built by Cardassians and on a Cardassian station. Would you trust having your personal files on a Russian made computer in a Russian built building?
Those fun glimpses of humanities past that would make a klingon tremble in fear. It is my favorite part of Star Treks universe. Humanity reached a point were we exist together peacefully from a past wrought with destructive hatred of The Other. Now were the ones mature enough to bring such wide variety of aliens together and make that relation work.
Imagine Garak's response to Hansel and Gretel (cannibalism, theft, murder) or Ring Around the Rosie (black death plague), The Tooth Fairy (magical being that collects childrens bones and uses them as decorations), Beauty and The Beast (kidnapping, under-age marriage, stockholm syndrome), Rapunzel (kidnapping, exploitation of a kid, false imprisonment), etc.
Ah yes but you are also bare to the world for all to abuse, and if like a certain tailor the truth would be your end maybe keeping track is the easier option....
"I seriously doubt the finance ministry would have me killed for failing to pay my taxes" You sure? It is the cardassian IRS. Those guys do not mess around
Even in teaching Bashire to look to alternate interpretations of tales he lied. What he meant was, "Never get caught telling the same lie twice." Even that holds true only if you expect to be believed in the first place. Afterall; how many times did Garak say, "I'm only a simple tailor," throughout the run of the show?
It’s interesting that even with Garak’s skills of manipulation and subterfuge, he didn’t realize in the 5th season that Julian had been taken over by a Changeling.
The show's plot wasn't always planned out in advance, so retroactive twists tend to create some weird details. Same as how Martok being a changeling was conceived of long after many scenes in which he was meant to be the real one.
@@Funaru Though they panic when they get caught. Case in point, Martok's impersonator. _Good job, extending a wholeass tentacle in front of a Klingon crowd._
"I seriously doubt the finance ministry would have me killed for failure to pay my taxes" Well, Kardassia doesn't have the IRS, they are a more civilised people.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. The worst kept secret on Deep Space 9 was that Garak was still in bed with the Obsidian Order. The best kept secret was that that’s how Garak wanted it.
I would love to see a Quark and Garak dealings with espionage and shady characters. Kinda like an underworld cop/crime show. Some Characters could come in from other Star Trek shows as well for their expertise.
2:40 actually many children's tales and parables were morbid and graphic back in those days and not just in English speaking countries. Many of the fairy tales we all know were a lot darker in their original telling and many didn't even have happy endings. Fun fact. Beauty And The Beast is 1. Not a Grimm tale, its actually from a novel 2. The original story is A LOT more complex than the Disney version 3. It was Beauty (her name was changed to Bell in the movie) that needed to learn a leason, not Prince Adam. Prince Adam was not cursed for being mean to an old woman, he was cursed for politely rejecting the *unwanted sexual advances* of an old woman. and 4. It is *loosely* based on a true story (minus the magic stuff of course)
No no no, they werent graphic the world just a hell of a lot safer, like when was the last time a wolf came into your village and killed 3 children before it was found?
The way Odo and Garak are dancing around each other with words. They don't trust each other, but also know that the other us useful to figure out the details.
You know what the REALLY funny thing is? While the intended moral of the story IS true, Garak has a point as well. If you're gonna tell a lie, you shouldn't repeat it.
"that if you're going to lie you need to have the props to make people think it's the truth. That poor young boy didn't hurt the sheep and had no wolf prints in the ground I assume."
The lie itself might have backfired. After believing 3 days in a row, they might have simply not shown up because they thought he didn't need help with the wolf. Lol.
„Innocent people could have been hurt. You could have been killed.“
Love Sisko‘s distinction between innocent people and Garak 😂
😂 great observation
Ha! I didn't pick up that until just now.
Nice
I'd say what kind of stuff that man has done in his past including how many people he has probably killed or at least been indirectly responsible for their deaths
@@sokagofferenginar8669 My personal favourite story being the one where he got posted to Romulus and and wipes out this dude by growing a flower whose spores interact with the spores of a flower in his target’s garden to form a poisonous gas which kills him.
Whoever wrote Garak's lines, hats off to you
Garak has a point you should never tell the same lie twice
Garak is just to funny don't matter which episode it is to
I think his acting is what sell it
@@dumbidea1007 i think thats the other 50% of it
Garak is probably one of the better written characters in Star Trek history. It's not often that there's a main character who is both frequently cynical and humorous.
Garak saying "I told you everything I could think of" is not "I told you everything I know". It's more like an admission that "I can't think of any other lies right now."
Ooo I didn't pick up on that lol. Garak is an honest liar if there ever was one.
Which is why Odo knows Garak doesn’t know who it is because if he does know he be telling lies to mislead Odo
@joimumu He did know though I'm pretty sure this was the episode where Garak blew up his own shop
@@gokublack8342 It is and he recognized the assassin. He didn't know who hired him though. Pointing a finger at the assassin would have been out of character and counter productive.
This is actually a really good way to hide something without lying.
I like that Garak acknowledges Kira could actually kill him if she wanted. Kinda like professional respect.
I mean the reverse is also true, given his actions in the episode “In the pale moonlight.
If he wants you dead, your dead.
yeah he gets ahead of all the killers after him by keeping a close eye on all arrivals and is ready for them as soon as they get there hes always at quarks ie the leader of the local black market he keeps track of the people on the ststion
Kira has the benifit of having high level access no hacking required
and
he cant proactivly get rid of her her presence is normal and exepted and her distain for him is expected
@@kellynolen498 good observation
Yeah, if she wished him to be dead, no subtleties, she'd just stab him and then accept the charges.
I was honestly hoping Garak would have said, "well, shucks." after Odo told him she had an alibi.😆
Odo's face on "What makes you think I haven't already?" Rene Auberjonois did a great job as Odo.
He really did! I still remember coming across him in its always sunny in Philadelphia and knowing I recognised him but not from where. His voice triggered something, but his face wasn't smooth enough. Then I realised.
Didnt he? And with "his face" being mostly made of rubber at that.
He was a costar on the dramady "Benson". I believe he was the awkward Lt. Governor. He much preferred DS9.
He was also Mr House in Fallout New Vegas, low graphic pixel face, but that amazing voice acting.
It takes a real actor to portray emotions while wearing a mask that basically immobilizes your face.
"Innocent people could have been hurt. You, who to be clear are not part of that first category, could have been killed."
Now there are three morals to that story:
1) If you continuously lie, no one will believe you even if you tell the truth.
2) The moment you doubt it happens will be the moment it actually does.
3) Never tell the same lie twice.
4) People are easily bored seeing the same act repeated.
5) If you believe there's a wolf about, don't use, as your sole watchman, an unarmed child whom you have resolved to ignore. (Mitchell and Webb)
6) No, we didn't crossbow the git. You all saw: wolf got him. (Oglaf)
3 should be: Never get caught telling the same lie twice. It's when you're caught in it that you have to give up the lie.
It works on multiple levels.
If the young boy had spent less time lying and more time trying to think of ways to protect the flock, he may never have been eaten at all.
Effective time management can also be seen here, had the boy spent his time collecting stones and practicing his sling he could have killed the wolf.
Instead he got bored and lazy then he took the easiest route.
Or it's a story perhaps about neglect and loneliness, could not the "wolf" be a metaphor for suicidal thoughts???
The line "I've told you everything I can think of" is particularly interesting.
Garak avoided saying "I've told you everything I KNOW".
I've worked, trying to get refunds from people who would put farengi to shame, so I know an evasive response when I hear one.
Everything Garak tells Bashir is true. Especially the lies.
Bashir was like a catharsis for Garak, he seemed to actually like opening up slowly to him. He actually started to trust Bashir over the years, and shared things he couldn’t share with anyone else. Even if he still dissembled fairly regularly.
I love that lines
"Me I don't have that problem. Me, I always tell the truth, even when I lie" Tony Montana, Scarface.
especially about his tax evasion.
I think it's the other way around. Everything Garak says is a lie, even the truths. ESPECIALLY the truths.
"Innocent people could have been hurt. You could have been killed. " lol, I guess Sisko doesn't consider Garak to be innocent.
He knows better lol.
Innocent of what? Being innocent?
Garak is many things. A tailor, an outcast, a con-man... the list is long and varied. But no one has ever accused him of being innocent.
(And, in fact, he was the one that blew his shop up)
@@ArnoldDarkshner99 well he didn't consider that Garak blew his own shop up for attention though🤣🤣🤣
"If she wanted you dead, you WOULD be."
"You do have a point."
Kira is definitely one to not cross.
Yeah, resistance fighters tend to be good at making themselves dangerous.
That just makes her even MORE dangerous. @@kyleheins
@@RuralTowner precisely my point.
Like in the episode where Quark put ads all over the station.
Kira: "If all your little advertisements aren't purged from our system by the time I get back, **I** will come to Quarks. And believe me, I will have fun!" 😆😨
Odo said she had an airtight alibi. How can you have an airtight alibi for a bomb that could have been planted at any time for weeks?
'The kid lied for attention and got praised.'
'Noice.'
'Waitno'
NEVER TELL THE SAME LIE TWICE!
A true Garakism if ever there was one.
i mean.. hes kinda not wrong.
@@lyianx I mean he is, whatever lie the boy told the villagers would have branded him "a troublemaker who doesn't tell the truth", y'know like Garak
Hard to maintain a cover while on a mission. I'm a tailor, NO a Gardner error maybe a chef? Lol
@@RequiemPoete he talks to Odo for hours about his various identities, he never uses the same cover twice
@@TheOmegaXicor the boy just needed to become a better lier
I love how in another episode when Garrak actually is being almost assassinated, the Costable quickly sees through Garrak and catches that Garrak really didnt knew why he's being targeted, as he said "Garak would be spewing a web of lies as of this moment." but in the episode he was not talkative...
Isn't it later in this episode when they suggested the Romulans might have hired an assassin to do the job. He says he can't think of a reason the Romulans would want him dead, then goes quiet and looks genuinely thoughtful.
@@Ididntchoosethisname I mean, he wasn't THAT bad of a gardener!
That's because he can't think one but sixty.
"Well that's a little graphic for children, wouldn't you say?"
Legitimately one of the only times Garak seems genuinely naïve - that's one of the LEAST traumatising traditional children's stories. Imagine his reaction to Hansel and Gretel - parents leaving their children in the woods to starve (multiple times), a cannibalistic old woman using one as a slave while preparing to eat the other and it all ends in a little girl murdering her by shoving her into an oven and holding the door closed while she burns alive, then letting her brother out, looting her house and going back home to provide for the parents that abandoned them. And that's not even the bottom of the horror barrel.
I guess Cardasia doesn't have that have that innate love of the macabre that humans do.
@@kayleighbrown459 Or they do and he's being disingenuous.
@@KyleRayner12 Both are just as likely.
@@KyleRayner12 I don't see why a humble tailor would lie about this.
That’s genuinely one of the things that might shock the galaxy the most about Earth. Children stories and songs can be so damn… man, gore !
"I'm joking of course" - One of Garak's least believable lies 🤣
4:30
I love how Garak eavesdrops on Odo and o'Brien in such an obvious manner. He almost seems like he's confused by their ineptitude, like he wants to outright say "Gentlemen, are you aware that I can still hear you?"
in a later episode they do exactly that... when the klingons are about attack cardassia and they call in Garak to take Siscos measurement for a suit cause they cant warn the cardassians offically
@@drchaos2000 Yes, but there’s no reason to do that here. Why did they bother trying to lower their voices when Garak could hear them?
@@JimmySteller Civic politeness is an issue with the federation. Humans tend to avoid disclosing 'bad' news loudly in front of people whom it actually affected.
@@drchaos2000 I remember the little ironic twist, where Garak respectfully offered to come back later and Sisko had to firmly insist that he take the measures right there ;)
Ds9 really was the best star trek they've ever made...
Andrew Robison was a delight in this show.
And as Scorpio. And as Frank Cotton. And as everything he’s been in.
And the original HELLRAISER. And RYAN'S HOPE. And so much more.
I love how Garak can see another lesson from such a well known fable of ours, shows he really is exceptionally perceptive.
Garak definitely has lvl 100 perception.
I also love the consistency is showing how well Cardessians value family and their young when he expresses alarm at how the story is too graphic for children.
@@Three-Headed-Monkey Well said, I hadn’t connected those two dots before.
Importantly, the lesson would be to never by caught telling the same lie twice. Undoubtably Garak had used the same lie for as long as it was servicable, the moment to give it up is when you are caught in it. If you know that people who caught you in the lie aren't going to share that information with others you can still use it, you just have to exercise greater care.
@Three-Headed-Monkey What would Garaks' reaction be to a copy of the Brothers Grim?
"You do seem to have children being eaten a lot in children's stories, a strange obsession for a species on the top of the food chain on its Homeworld, don't you think?
What I don't get is why the perpetrators are sometimes members of your own species."
Garak telling Odo he didn't pay his taxes might be the one of the few times he tells the truth.
I'd like to believe it's the real reason he was exiled but it sounds so mundane that no one would ever believe it. The whole time he works in his shop he's having all his earnings garnished by the Cardassian Government until he has paid them back so he can come back to Cardassia. Tain says Garak betrayed him because in their Audit they found out he wasn't paying his taxes too.
Are you sure? Maybe he does pay his taxes.
Garak will tell the truth quite happily if it gets the result he wants.
Honestly, I could almost believe it being something so mundane.
I'm sure at least some of his identities were lax on their tax returns....
new headcanon just dropped
If Bashir has done a better job of learning from Garak he wouldn’t have been killed by the Sand Snakes.
What sand snakes ??
romulan sand snakes, theyre the worst
@@hansgugel8034it's referencing Alexander Siddiq's role in Game of Thrones.
Why did you write that!?
Now I wish Garak had been in GoT as master of whisperers 😭😭
@@anubis44r Hmm... Garak or Varys, now THAT would be interesting
"You expect us to believe you were exiled for failure to pay taxes??"
Well now that you mention it, even the Joker knows better than to mess with the IRS!
That being the real reason cuz Garak thinks hes too clever makes alot of sense honestly.
I mean, they caught enough criminals (and some of them extremely important and with incredible security nets and ties to the policemen) thanks to them evading taxes that I can find this actually believable.
It would not surprise me if that was the 'official' reason he was exiled. Like they real reason would require revealing too much sensitive information so they to make something up. And maybe Enabran Tain did it deliberately just to annoy Garak.
The cardassian IRS sounds exactly like the sort of people who would assasinate you for tax evasion.
Garak: That you should never tell the same lie twice.
Bashir should have desponded: How many times have you claimed you are just a tailor?
Garak just destroyed one of the oldest tales imaginable.
Not really, a habitual liar is never believed even if it's not the same lie. The writing in this clip is a lot weaker than in later seasons. Clunky, on the nose, takes too long to get to the point, not as clever as the characters think it is.
Nah. Just reinterpreted it. Both readings have a valuable lesson to share.
@@Brasswatchmantheres another reading.
That you shouldn't give important responsibility to people you have determined to be untrustworthy.
They lost the boy and a flock of sheep because they sent a known liar to watch over them.
Garak is quite unique in Star Trek. He’s a brilliantly entertaining, genuinely intriguing character.
Probably the most interesting character on that entire show. And the most consistent as most of the others have had character contradictions you can spot in a few episodes.
For example there's the episode where Quark has to scan Kira for a client and she has an aversion to holodecks for some reason.
In an earlier episode Sisko insists she enjoys herself and gives her a bunch of things and orders her to enjoy at least two and she picks up the holodeck crystal and smirks.
I take that back. Otto is the most interesting but Garek is up there.
The look on Odo face when he realize that Garrak already been at his computer
Slightly incorrect that was Odo remembering someone of Garak's alleged capabilities would have no NEED to get into his office to view the files.
Garrak wouldn't need to get into the office to see those files if he wanted to.
“Never tell the same lie twice” could be an interpretation of the story. However, many lies require a consistency among themselves. Failing to stick to the same lie would make the story unravel even quicker
I think it would still count as one lie.
I mean: the first time the boy tells everyone there was a wolf and it run off. then he never says that same lie again.
but he keeps up the first lie - saying things like "wow, I was really lucky that one time when I saw a wolf and didn't get hurt" and "isn't it incredible that one time I saw a wolf and it ignored my sheep?".
so he is consistent on the first line but never says the same (or a similar) lie again.
then when the wolf really comes it's only the second time he screams wolf and everybody arrives. this time they find the wolf so it just reinforces their belief that the first time the boy was also telling the truth and he was just extremely lucky.
In this specific case I think the actual answer is (as it is so often), it depends. Calling a wolf every time would become obvious, fast. If you had a different thing happening with a different reason why its no longer there, I could see that maybe working another time or two, maybe even just so they can see what crazy story you came up with this time.
That is basically the story of Garak‘s life: noone truly knows him, but noone trusts him. It tells what he valued most: trust vs. secrecy/success.
@@kindlinbut do you bring weapons with which to bring down a wolf to hear the boy tell a fable?
This could instead get you to the interesting ending where the boy cries wolf, and there really is a wolf. Everyone rushes out to hear his story and the entire village is promptly killed by the wolf.
@@MathignihilcehkExcept that a wolf won't try to attack a huge group, even if they were unarmed. The odds of it getting hurt are much higher with more people there, even if they are unarmed, so it would simply leave to find easier prey.
2:51 "Are you _sure_ that's the point, Doctor?"
"Of course. What else could it be?"
"That you should never tell the same lie _twice."_
Leave it to Garak to miss the answer to the _question_ he just asked. He wanted to know why _no_ one was willing to believe him, even when he was telling the _truth._ Julian illustrated that he lies _so_ consistently, it is now seen as his _default._ Therefore, it has become everyone's default _assumption_ about him.
Telling different lies _every_ time has taken a little longer, but it has led to the same _conclusion._ He now shares the same state of existence as the _shepherd_ boy. 🤷♂
Hmm intersting i suppose a better line would be "never get caught telling the same lie" as if youre never caught why would you think people dont believe you, would also highlight his slight arrogance in thinking he can get away with all his lies for as long as he wants.
"I seriously doubt the finance ministry would try to have me killed over failure to pay my taxes."
Every government in present day: *innocent whistling*
really depends on whether the finance ministry thinks they can still get their hands on those overdue tax money.
I really don’t understand why would someone want to kill Garak, he’s just a simple tailor…
He is a simple tailor in the same way Casey Ryback in Under Siege is just a cook. 🤣😇
Garak's interpretation reminds me of when I heard the Rainbow Fish in grade school. Kid me's interpretation was "if given the chance, people will take what makes you special".
Looking back at this scene, I feel like Garak is ironically showing who he trusts (although what "trust" means for Garak is probably diffrrent from common understanding of the word). By telling Bashir his opinion of the children's story, he is hinting at his method of handling questioning/interrogations, "never tell the same lie twice". To Odo, he is either being transparent that he has already viewed the security logs, or Garak is implying he could view the security logs but elected not to out of respect Odo.
I like how Garak took absolutely no offense to O'Brien turning around and lowering his voice while discussing sensitive information. Cardassian to the core.
It just makes him peel up and listen harder.
Garak, Quark, and Odo truly were the stars of this series
what makes you think I have not already looked through your security files?🤣🤣🤣
And Gul Dukat!!!
Loved "Major Kira has an airtight alibi."
Good line, but it makes no sense as we are told the bomb could have been planted long before.
"Well, that's a little graphic for children, wouldn't you say?"
Oh, Garak... there is a man who would find researching humannity's children's tales - and the implications of the changes we have made to them over time (and not just by Disney) truly fascinating.
an older version of Cinderella has the stepsisters and stepmom's toes cut off to try to fit in the shoe
@@CorvusCorone68 Yup, that's the version I read in the early 90s. Didn't know there was a censored one.
I remember laughing hard at this scene when this episode first aired.
Me too.
Damn, the DS9 supporting cast as well as the writing for them were absolutely stunning. Just LOVE me some Garak and his „Garakisms“!!!
Such good writing. If this was in modern star trek there would have been 3 explosions and a time travel sequence by the end of this scene.
The Boy Who Cried World reinterpreted was the most mind blowing thing to me.
I could have gone on for hours watching them.... The Good Dr. and Plain Simple Garak.
A good liar only changes small parts or the story.
A excellent liar tells the truth so well that it sounds as a lie.
I saw this as part of an episode of DS9. I wasn't expecting such a gem. I have repeatedly told people about it. How nice to see it wasn't only me that found it so profound :)
Garak is my favorite character on DS9, and quite possibly in all of Trek.
There are two types of Star Trek fans: those who say Garak is their favorite character and those who are lying about being Star Trek fans
4:26 I thought Garak was gonna go "I'm the new Chief of Security, how can I help you?"
Garak always roots for the villains
I love Garak. DS9 was such a good show.
Garak was awesome ... would have been a perfect show without the obnoxious overacting of Sisko and most of his characters prophet nonsense. Avery Brooks as an actor and Sisko as a character really was a let down in an otherwise brilliant show.
Bit of religion for alien cultures and aliens being mistaken for gods is fine, but a human chosen one actually saving the day multiple times was some of the worst writing within the franchise.
I've always seen a different version hiding behind the story of the 'Boy Who Cried Wolf'. The version we always here is by its nature, the version shared by the surviving adults, the ones who left him to die and be eaten by a wolf.
So one day a shepherd boy is tending his flock when he spots a wolf prowling in the woods nearby. As he is supposed to he raises the alarm, and the adults of the village gather up weapons and rush over to aid him, but all the commotion and noise of the mass of people causes the wolf to flee long before they get there. They look around for awhile, but see no sign of the wolf, or perhaps discount tracks as that of a local dog.
A few days pass and it happens again, and again the mass of people shouting and carrying weapons causes the wolf to flee, and so none of them ever see the wolf. Now they start to grumble about the boy 'seeing things' and 'jumping at his own shadow.' They start to resent his interruption to their day for 'no good reason'.
And again, only a couple days later, they come, less eager, less quickly, but no less noisily, but once again, nothing, and when they get home this time it is more than grumbling, they are pissed off that this Child is wasting their time on an 'imaginary wolf'.
Finally, the day after the last time, the child calls out that he's seen the wolf again, and the adult turn a deaf ear, certain they wouldn't see anything, so it must not be true. And so the child alone tries to fight off the wolf to protect the village's sheep, only to be killed.
The adults don't discover this until hours later when they wonder why he hasn't taken the sheep back into the village for the night. They find his body, bloody and bitten, and in their grief and guilt they turn on him even more, declare that it's His fault they didn't show up.
This version rings as far more true for me, unfortunately
@@Mouse927same.
Odo "...you blew up your own shop!"
thumbing Major Kira for the crime is underrated. Also, the line "... seroiusly, i think she doesnt like me!"
Odo’s computer is built by Cardassians and on a Cardassian station.
Would you trust having your personal files on a Russian made computer in a Russian built building?
depends how much vodka i had
And how poorly the computer worked. In some cases, system downtime and inconvenience could be another form of security.
Nyet
Man Garak's fits were on always on point
Bashir's face at 3:02 😂
"Well that's a little graphic for children, wouldn't you say?"
I love Garak dropping truths on the humans. 😁
Those fun glimpses of humanities past that would make a klingon tremble in fear. It is my favorite part of Star Treks universe. Humanity reached a point were we exist together peacefully from a past wrought with destructive hatred of The Other. Now were the ones mature enough to bring such wide variety of aliens together and make that relation work.
@@UchihaOokami2596 Yes, there is no irrational hatred of outgroups, for after all it is set in the future where Islam doesn't exist.
The best Star Trek series. Come at me.
"What makes you think I haven't already looked through them?" Lmao
Imagine Garak's response to Hansel and Gretel (cannibalism, theft, murder) or Ring Around the Rosie (black death plague), The Tooth Fairy (magical being that collects childrens bones and uses them as decorations), Beauty and The Beast (kidnapping, under-age marriage, stockholm syndrome), Rapunzel (kidnapping, exploitation of a kid, false imprisonment), etc.
I loved Garak and his unrepentant cynicism and sarcasm. He was a Cardassian to the core and never believed in Federation idealism.
That root beer/Federation scene with Quark in another episode was a wonderful moment. :D
Yeah, but he did choose to believe in his friends generally. So that's at least something.
So the wolf are the boy AND THE FLOCK?
I can barely eat 5 White Castles
I can get through a classic sack of 10, but it won't be a good day for anyone else around me lol
That sounds really good right now. 😢
@@aztn19 Jesus, best I've ever done was 3 McDoubles.
The wolf was really stoned.
I like these ST clips. After watching them, I always know if I need to watch the full episodes. I don't remember this one at all!
If you always tell the truth, you never half to worry about forgetting which lies you've told
Ah yes but you are also bare to the world for all to abuse, and if like a certain tailor the truth would be your end maybe keeping track is the easier option....
The truth is usually an excuse for a lack of imagination....🤣
And if you always tell a different lie, you don't have to worry, because you don't need to keep anything straight.
It's brilliant that they made that interpretation, and I never once in my whole life never thought of it. Never tell the same lie twice. Brilliant.
Garak is hilarious. Never tell the same lie twice😂😂😂😂
"You should never tell the same lie twice" is line you would expect out of Charlie Sheen on Two and a Half Men.
The villagers saw the wolf, but were tired of the boy.
Garak: the BEST secondary character on the BEST Star Trek series EVER made!
"Okay smartass, he said that different animals were attacking each time."
Never tell the same lies twice....brilliant!
fine ill rewatch DS9 again
Admitting to a lesser lie to conceal a larger lie sometimes reveals the nugget of truth.
Well the best lies dance with the truth of course. That's how Garak sees it.
"I seriously doubt the finance ministry would have me killed for failing to pay my taxes"
You sure? It is the cardassian IRS. Those guys do not mess around
"Never tell the same lie twice"
Well, Garak is not wrong there.
Even in teaching Bashire to look to alternate interpretations of tales he lied. What he meant was, "Never get caught telling the same lie twice." Even that holds true only if you expect to be believed in the first place. Afterall; how many times did Garak say, "I'm only a simple tailor," throughout the run of the show?
It’s interesting that even with Garak’s skills of manipulation and subterfuge, he didn’t realize in the 5th season that Julian had been taken over by a Changeling.
The show's plot wasn't always planned out in advance, so retroactive twists tend to create some weird details. Same as how Martok being a changeling was conceived of long after many scenes in which he was meant to be the real one.
@@KyrieruI didn’t know that, that explains a lot.
I wouldn't call it a plot hole because changeling infiltrators are said to be extremely observant and cunning.
@@Funaru Though they panic when they get caught. Case in point, Martok's impersonator. _Good job, extending a wholeass tentacle in front of a Klingon crowd._
I mean, he's not wrong... Never tell the same lie twice IS good advice.
Now I _really_ wanna hear Garak's take on Chicken Little!
"I seriously doubt the finance ministry would have me killed for failure to pay my taxes"
Well, Kardassia doesn't have the IRS, they are a more civilised people.
Garak was so good. That little smirk as he says "are you sure that's the point Doctor?"
its funny i grew up with TNG, and it wasnt until much later i found Voyager and DS9. all excellent series!
Thing is, even if someone tells different lies, they'd still be identified as a liar.
Don't get caught. The boy just needed to become a better lier.
Easily the best Garak moment, and one of the best moments in the whole show.
I wonder if anyone ever told him the story of The Emperors New Clothes.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. The worst kept secret on Deep Space 9 was that Garak was still in bed with the Obsidian Order. The best kept secret was that that’s how Garak wanted it.
Love the way Garak teases a new slant on an old maxim
The man has a point.
Garak: awesome character and awesome acting
He blew up his own shop. All to bring Odo’s attention to the actual assassins coming for him.
“… I’m joking of course” I love how he tells the true with sarcasm and than corrects it with a lie.
I would love to see a Quark and Garak dealings with espionage and shady characters. Kinda like an underworld cop/crime show. Some
Characters could come in from other Star Trek shows as well for their expertise.
2:40 actually many children's tales and parables were morbid and graphic back in those days and not just in English speaking countries. Many of the fairy tales we all know were a lot darker in their original telling and many didn't even have happy endings. Fun fact. Beauty And The Beast is 1. Not a Grimm tale, its actually from a novel 2. The original story is A LOT more complex than the Disney version 3. It was Beauty (her name was changed to Bell in the movie) that needed to learn a leason, not Prince Adam. Prince Adam was not cursed for being mean to an old woman, he was cursed for politely rejecting the *unwanted sexual advances* of an old woman. and 4. It is *loosely* based on a true story (minus the magic stuff of course)
I'm just waiting for the Eli Roth-directed ORIGINAL version of The Little Mermaid.
No no no, they werent graphic the world just a hell of a lot safer, like when was the last time a wolf came into your village and killed 3 children before it was found?
3:02
Even his genetically enhanced brain had to take a lap
Lmfao 😂
The way Odo and Garak are dancing around each other with words. They don't trust each other, but also know that the other us useful to figure out the details.
now that was brilliant writing!
You know what the REALLY funny thing is? While the intended moral of the story IS true, Garak has a point as well. If you're gonna tell a lie, you shouldn't repeat it.
Depends on the lie, i couldnt work due to seziures seems like it could be a fairly consistant one
Tell different people different lies so you know which one is betraying you.
@@starcrafter13terran Ooooh, I like that!
To be fair, I'm pretty sure losing a Nausicaan's wedding suit would be a serious health hazard.
Garak isn’t just the best Cardassian, he’s the best character in all of Star Trek, after Data and Quark.
Mmm...the Doctor in DS9? Even Reg in TNG?
I would argue Spock, certainly for the time he was written.
Quite a change from when Harry Callahan was chasing him around the rooftops of San Francisco.
“Innocent people could have been hurt!!!……………oh, and….(youcould’vebeenkilled)” 😂
The writing on TV shows used to be so good... and now it's shit. Good thing we have records.
"that if you're going to lie you need to have the props to make people think it's the truth. That poor young boy didn't hurt the sheep and had no wolf prints in the ground I assume."
The lie itself might have backfired. After believing 3 days in a row, they might have simply not shown up because they thought he didn't need help with the wolf. Lol.
MIKE JOHNSON:
I love your uploads
I’d appreciate it if you could put like clips in individual playlists so we can just hit play and let em run.
Done and done