The fact he didn't listen to PC is just so funny to me. PC has skin in the game. The woman lives and breathes the industry. She makes her living by navigating through the jungle that is Hollywood. Yet Bojack completely ignores her advice and f**ks himself royalty.
I love how motherhood and the second interview was PC’s wake up call to have her drop Bojack. She sees/hears how little he cares about her. He always ignores her advice yet cries for help when his actions blow up in his face. And he does it yet again when he claims he changed. PC hears what he does to the woman he CLAIMS is the one he loved the most. And the end of the day, it’s all about him. Seeing the interview go down, hearing the pattern probably made her think of her daughter. How would she feel if Ruthie was in any of those women’s positions? Would she trust Bojack to be alone with Ruthie if she was an adult?
it killed me how paige sinclaire tossed, "who taught you to drive?" into her word salad, not even realizing the significance of the question, once she successfully cornered penny
Yeah- not conventional, but I generally prefer shorter, more digestible videos focusing on one concrete topic (plus I get off track easily). But, hey, if my viewers would prefer the more common, longer essays, I’d love to give it a shot! (Just might take a little longer to make, is all) Anyhow, thanks for watching!
@@PosiTVty.Honestly the fact that you get to your point quickly is what I like about this channel. Personally I'm sick of two hour long video essays that could be a 20 minute video
This is a great deconstruction of Bojack. I like your point on how despite Bojack not being an outspoken misogynist, the way he treats women sexually does speak to how he objectifies or devalues them, regardless of any personal or professional relationship he has. At the drop of a hat, any woman around him could be a vessel for a quick release. It's another good example of how Bojack can intellectually be a good person who cares about others, but his low self-worth and poor coping mechanisms gut him whenever it's put into action
Not sure I'd call him a misogynist. He doesn't hate women. He uses them to get a dopamine hit, same as he does with the men around him but it's easier to get that hit from women because of sex. He cares about women the same amount he cares about men.
It's the bpd issue of seeking validation externally, but for men this often times isn't through talking through emotions, but drugs and sex. BPD causes you too always be in a state of needing to be soothed, and depending on the level of self awareness, it's hard to cope with, this causes external seeking and often leads to lots of promiscuity and tons of avoidance of commitment... It's shocking how well this show displays this dynamic. The disorder is not exactly like bojack, but this dynamic is a BPD thing for sure pre diagnosis
It's just an amazing show not just an amazing animated show but tv show period. I'd honestly put Bojack Horseman on the level of Breaking Bad or the Sappranos as one of the best shows I've ever seen.
@@danieljackson2496absolutely I was a teenager when season one dropped and going back to watch it now there’s so many details in the first season alone that hit so different for me now 10 years later
The first time I watch the show the moment Biscuit points out this pattern I was shocked, everything start making sense and it helped me to finally see Bojack how he truly is.
I know right?!?! I felt so dumb not seeing it before, but without that analyst, I never would have seen it in a million years. It just shows how uneducated we about his type of behavior. It freaked me out how naive I am to it NOW!
Even if Biscuits was sensationalizing certain details for views (also because she is an outsider who only has the cold hard facts about Bojack to work with) she’s absolutely right about the power dynamics. The scariest thing about privilege is being able to subconsciously wield it whenever it’s convenient for you without thinking how it affects others. Whether he was using his position as a father figure to satisfy his romantic/sexual urges with Penny and Sarah Lynn or using his position as a celebrity to get information out of the president of his fan club. Even if he wasn’t going into it with that exact thought process, he must know he has power on some level.
@@tell-me-a-story-true. Anna spodacopida(?) is a perfect example of this. She's strong and assertive especially with bojack. Then, after he learned she was just a normal boring person by spying on her, he immediately lost interest. His problem is that he just romanticizes things with women and puts them on a pedestal, most likely to fill the void in his heart/life. In that moment, they're the most important thing to him. But, in that same way, the infatuation is superficial -- not real love. He uses food, drugs, and booze the same way, to distract himself and numb the pain of his life. Could be because of his parents not loving him enough/properly, could be something else. It's sad, but it's still wrong
I think the scariest thing is, the show never drew a ton of attention to the dynamics until the end. You're just watching Bojack and these women and it takes so long to hit you what is so wrong about the dynamics
@@Greencheez-y i think because he grew up without happiness, it subconsciously taught him that long term happiness doesn't exist, so instead he tries to fill that void with short term dopamine rushes
I see BJH as a study in the consequences of shame. He keeps doing harmful stuff, and hating himself, and telling himself what a stupid piece of shit he is. Todd points this out in one episode. But shame isn't remorse. It prevents things like guilt, empathy, compassion, and growth - because it makes any serious self-reflection unbearable. When someone learns (as abused kids often do) that they're just an inherently bad person, they see every wrong thing they do - intentional or accidental - as further proof of their inherent wrongness. So it becomes too painful to examine your bad patterns or toxic traits because those involve opening that wound that says you're doing something terrible by being alive.
That makes so much sense, I've also had the feeling that shame is a useless emotion. Anything people say shame is good for can be much better achieved without it. Feeling bad over something doesn't actually do anything, and people just want to see others be ashamed to feel satisfied, but that doesn't do anything either and it seems to be the most useful shame as an emotion ever gets.
I kinda see shame as a liminal emotion: it’s often something you have to feel first in order to be able to go on and feel those other things, but lingering in it both keeps you from growing and prevents you from connecting with the world around you and the people in your life.
This is so well said! And to be honest, Brené Brown actually discussed this as well, explaining how shame is one of the most (if not *the* most) damaging emotion as it causes you to try and project your self-loathing onto the world around you. Which is what BoJack pretty much does and struggles with throughout the series.
The Closer said it best, "When you do bad things, you have something you can point to when people eventually leave you. It's not you, you tell yourself, it's that bad thing you did."
@@crystalgemgirl731that goes in line with anxious avoidance, where if you feel anxious you can behave drastically to then be able to focus on the drastic consequences rather than the heavy emotions that are causing anxiety in the first place
Not sure if anyone doesn't know but Raphael B put these plot lines in the show because he heard Harvey weinstien was a fan of the show 😭 He's like NO YOURE THE BUTT OF OUR JOKE GO AWAY
That and the terrifying number of people that started idolizing bojack in a similar vein to people idolizing Joaquin Phoenix’s joker, like they completely missed the mark to an uncomfortable level
@@lillyfriedman6618he was actually meant to be based on Bill Cosby but the decision was made that he should be more generally representative of that “type.”
Bojack Horseman is a brilliant story painted of a typical cancelled man. We didn’t realise how awful he was until it was too late and we somehow sympathised with someone who if was a real person no one would take the time to know… for being utterly deplorable. We were frogs in water… not realising the water was boiling until we realised we’d been sympathising with a groomer/enabler/emotional exploiter and someone who allows harm to come to so many young people
Damage that can't be seen and is unknowingly casted to you is so devastating. When the damage is done, you're broken to bits. You don't even know how it happened, why it happened and can't even begin to explain it.
Well yes, that, AND I would urge against losing empathy for him once he’s confronted and cancelled. Does a disservice to six and a half seasons of storytelling if he finally faces accountability, is defensive and incapable of understanding, which then leads to a relapse, if we discount or forget why he turned out the way he is in the first place. He made strides toward self acceptance but didn’t take accountability for the things he had done to hurt people the most, bc his life as a celebrity taught him that he never HAD to take accountability for anything. There are so many takeaways from this show from the viewpoints of so many characters but I don’t feel that any of those takeaways are that some people are “just good” and “just bad”- like Diane said in season 1, there is no ‘deep down’, you are the things that you do, so the goal has to be to do more good than bad. The second interview wasn’t the gotcha moment that Bojack was a bad person the whole time, you knew that he was a bad person from season 1 episode 3 with Sarah Lynn. The whole show centers around change through vulnerability and accountability; bojack had began to be vulnerable but was never truly accountable bc it would force him to face the idea that he has hurt countless people, which is not in line with his core belief that he is a good person. That’s HARD, and that happens for almost every other character too it just comes out in different ways because of different circumstances that get them there
@@Barakon not really! the "frog in the water" is a scenario where if a frog was suddenly put into boiling water, the frog would jump out immediately. But! ...if the frog was put into lukewarm water that is slowly coming to a boil, then the frog would not sense the danger and it wouldnt jump out. the story is used as a metaphor for how people are very quick to react to sudden events, but people fail to react to small changes that gradually build up over time until its too late.
@@ZoesChoice Yes! I feel like two things can be true at once. Time CAN heal wounds. I know this firsthand. I feel like many people know this firsthand. Over time that pain just kind of fades. It's not because of anyone in particular that "healed" that part of me, it was just the fading of their memory due to time.
I mean... that's what people mean when they say time heals all wounds. What happens with time? Experience, self reflection, maturity. "Nobody can make it on their own, is a fact" Now this is a reductive statement. Don't generalize people like that.
@@ipromiseimtrying Time will never heal wounds in the same environment, bad circumstances and without any love, support or help. I know it firsthand and as a PTSD survivor.
Took a day to digest this video but honesty the moment where he asks his book fans to bed is Bojacks entire personality and issues in a single moment. He logically understands what should be done “get consent” but he will not look at it beyond the most basic application of the rules and no consideration for the consequences of the question even if he respects a no. This is also the line that my head cannon puts on Vance in comparison to Bojack. I see Vance as someone who gets venomous and pressures people on a “no” he won’t just jump to the next girl he probably makes some nasty remarks or keeps asking. That’s the difference IMO Thank you for this amazing video.
Great video! I remember when the final season aired, so many guys got really defensive about Bojack "not having a pattern with women, because he hurt men, too". And while yes, there is Herb and Todd, lets not forget that these are queer men and again, Bojack used his power over them. Herbs case couldn't make that more explicit.
There was Pete Repeat, but he was an underage boy so I guess that also sort of puts him in the same area as Herb and Todd. There was no real way for him to consent or understand what was happening until it was too late
@@nationalinstituteofcheese3012Did you forget that Bojack didn't give Sarah Lynn booze ? Sarah Lynn just drank the booze that Sharona left there. Booze that she should have not had in the first place. That was left out in the open where Sarah Lynn drank it... You can't pin that on Bojack
@@seeleunit2000there’s a flashback scene between bojack and sharona after the incident with sarah lynn getting her hands on the alcohol they go back and forth on who brought the alcohol, sharona says that this bottle was his before bojack basically tells her “no one is asking you to take the blame, you are taking the fall for this”
My jaw dropped when he outed her from AA on national television and then had the gall to show up to the next meeting looking for her as if he didn't just break the cardinal "Anonymous" rule
Watching bojack for the first time has me predicting him ruining his romantic relationships but with Gina I was actually thinking they might end it healthy or actually stay together (before that choking incident)
Sometimes I get sad.. But then I remember that there will be a new Bojack horseman deconstruction from someone online at least once a week. And it makes me feel better.
it is so interesting so see all these relationships have a common goal: validation. bojack seeks validation from women because he has never received an ounce of validation from a female figure (and a male figure). you can argue that his relationship with sarah lynn wasn’t about validation. however, his constant need to prove that he’s a “good person” and belief that he isn’t an indirect (and also direct) cause of her downfall is pivotal to what led to the events in season 3. sarah lynn was painful to mention because he truly screwed her over and bojack knows that. it’s ironic to see him defend himself on live tv about the sarah lynn situation, but hardly mention her/ speak her name after season 3.
A tragic character who brought most, if not all, his downfall upon himself. Yet, you can’t help but feel sorry for the guy when knowing the full context behind his behavior… Not excusable by any means, mind you, especially given the multitude of second chances from his close friends throughout the show. There’s been numerous instances where he tried to make things right only to screw it up when least expected or when it may benefit his carnal desires, causing him to regurgitate his old bad habits and permanently destroy relationships with the very few people who forgive him even at his absolute worst. Such is the fate of someone who hates themself, they’ll eventually project their sadness and turmoil onto others (whether intentional or not), and may not even realize the effects until it’s too late…
What makes Bojack, and the show's finale, so excellently done is the fact that, like Bojack himself, we don't realise just how BAD the thimgs he's done are until they're put into perspective. All because we see his side of the story and have so much context to what his family did to him through generational abuse. Even the interviewer, who initially just wanted a good story, wanted nothing more than to expose his rotten behaviour the longer said interview went on. And when even PC realises just how little he cares about her it was *truly* over for him as he'd destroyed any goodwill he had left.
What's terrifying about the interview is that Bojack wasn’t lying, he's not a mastermind manipulator, he's a selfish man who puts his desires above the wellbeing of others while consciously or subconsciously leveraging his position of power
0:34 i remember hearing this speach the first time and i was like lol ...no? We arent all as careless or uninvested in our lives and how we treat others lmaoooo
I swear blitzo from helluva boss must've had some inspiration off bojack. He's self loathing, and hurts people he's with whether intentionally or not, plus blitzo is obsessed with horses soooo..
blitzø is a sa survivor and is then villainized for his trauma (although that’s not Intentional, i guess, they just accidentally wrote an extremely unhealthy relationship where blitzø is coerced and forced into sex) though, there’s certainly a difference between them
This video was so deep that I'm going to go encourage my significant other and let her know how much of a wonderful person she is and what she means to me.
Love your video ! It's interesting because at the end of the show, since the first time I saw it, I can't keep myself from seeing Bojack as an actual groomer. I mean... Manipulation, emotional power, self pity, using women for sex just because he can, being attracted to mostly VERY young women (Penny, Sarah-Lynn, Wanda, Diane...) and everyone in the show finding him excuses for it ("He's stuck in his twenties", or "but Penny was a metaphor for his memories with Charlotte")... I mean I know in some way he just "doesn't know any better", but still. To me, Bojack Horseman is a groomer.
Bojack succeed as a groomer because he had penny looking back at the prom picture of her and bojack and said "it wasn't all a bad night" 💔💔💔 her friend had alcohol poising and she was nearly a statutory rape victim!
@@justausername5749 It's true, I meant they were much younger than him in a way or another (Diane was barely over 30, Wanda was mentally 25, and Sarah-Lynn was still acting like an 18 years-old, and he saw her grow up as his daughter on TV, which he watches all the time btw), but you're right, I think it's interesting that what he does is morally wrong but legally okay/grey, it really shows the psyche of the character to me : always on the thin line between "Okay, this is a bad bad mistake" and "He is a bad person and should be locked away"
As someone who’s been at the hands of an abusive mother and had to sort thru those emotions; the simple answer for Bojack is that subconsciously he either hates or strongly resents women due to his mother. I know that sounds incel af but when ur mother has been super abusive or detached or both, it really becomes hard to view any other woman differently. Only recently I started to work on this point of view. And I said work on but even as a 30 something I admit it’s still so hard for me to view women as anything but selfish and detached.
@@KingMuncheezbojack’s mommy didn’t love him enough which is why he uses and takes advantage of women is a pretty lazy conclusion and also takes the blame away from both Bojack and his father.
@@hannahrodriguez3373Honestly, I think women are just easier for him to access. A lot of men are physically stronger than Bojack and are in higher positions of power. Women are just generally easier for him to hurt
@@hannahrodriguez3373when you say anything in a reductive and sarcastic way it sounds completely meaningless, doesn't mean it is, but it means that you really Want to pretend like it is without engaging with the argument originally made for it
We actually do have a last glimpse of Wanda if you pause quick enough!! In Season 6, Episode 16: Nice While It Lasted, if you pause at 1:04 after the Bojeebies boy gets famous. There's a shot of Drama Weekly, next to the main headline on the right underneath the news about Andrew garfield is in fact a picture of Wanda with the headline ''Coma survivor awakes from 2nd Coma'' and under her picture it says, ''Named President of Gronkle''. I've rewatched Bojack so many times, and decided to start reading all those miscellanous things that are easily missed! Really nice of the creators to sneak that in. Anyways, love your videos!!
Another thing that both Butterscotch and Bojack have is the little “headlines” they make whenever they act self-centred, I had to rewatch it the third time to notice that Bojack also carried that “Headline, ____ , the end.” That Butterscotch originally did.
Something very disturbing with BoJack's sex spree in Commence Fracking. In the very episode prior, BoJack casually jokes about how he has "A-strain of herpes" (actually multiple strains!). Then in the very next episode, BoJack has casual, probably unprotected sex with lots of women. The show doesn't even mention it once!
18:50 I actually think Bojack and Gina had decent personality chemistry before the incident. She matched his aloofness and his pessimism, and they complained about things in a fun way together. I feel like you put too much importance on physical affection.
They had great personality chemistry, I think. They bounced off each other well. That doesn't mean they had anything beyond a platonic connection, though and BoJack decided he wanted a relationship with her for all the wrong reasons.
I think BoJack lacked the ability to acknowledge that it was WORSE that this is who he was unintentionally. These weren't necessarily active choices he made; they were him running on autopilot. He is a bad person who has the ability to improve and chooses not to. it's not the choices he made, it's the choices he did not make.
I love how the thing Bojack says to Biscuits about everyone being bad is so eye rolling cringe and if you don’t feel that way at first, you grow to. If you want to be taken seriously never go on the defensive and never generalise. Saying in response to being called out on your own crappy behaviour any variation of “people are just bad by nature that’s why I am” you’re a joke. You just want an excuse to your behaviour just like Bojack did, we’re supposed to hate his response.
I always took the "You didn't know me" line to Wanda as "You only loved me because you didn't know me." it's self-deprecating. Once she knew him, she saw that he was "unlovable".
2:53 Wait a minute, why does that remind me of that horrible scene from Venture Brothers? Oh dear God, I just remembered it again, I got to take a drink 😱
I mean he did end up being predatory to young women tho, and daughter figures at that. Doesn't matter if he planned it or not Most predators are highly opportunistic. And in both cases he had made multiple very questonable choices do do creepy and grooming stuff to the girls before anything obviously predatory was even to happen yet. Almost every time he is about to do these things we see him act anxious or cringe. He feels what he's doing is wrong even if he doesn't know or admit to himself why or plan for it. And he still does these things. Also some of these women in Hollyhock episode look very young still and Bojack is what, over 50 at this point? Granted some of them may just look young but still this makes us question what was their age and his first back when hooked up too.
11:23 One small thing, She is referenced a couple times after their breakup, one time I think she moves city when Me Peanut Butter is meeting with Pinky, and in the final episode she’s referenced in a news article having gotten out of a second coma
The interesting thing about Bojack is that he does suffer consequences, but refuses to learn from them. To the point where all he does is suffer, and make others suffer.
one of the most haunting scenes of the show is when bojack legitimately strangles Gina. Just imagine if they weren’t on set bojack would’ve killed Gina and we know he would’ve had done it if they didn’t stopped him Gina would’ve died , is genuinely a scene that made me hyperventilate and is not even the only scene that gives me the chills like that , the scene of Beatrice’s baby and her taking Henrietta’s baby this show gets fucking dark
man, the simultaneous intensity and zaniness of this show is omnipresent, but it REALLY stands out at certain points like when bojack has his entire public history of abusing his power over the women in his life laid out in front of him by a fucking chinchilla named *biscuits*
i love this show so much, i think i’ve rewatched it 3 times and i’ll probably watch it again at the beginning of 2025. to see a broken man continue to damage others and himself while constantly pushing away anything good in his life. let’s me know i’m not that bad of a person lmao 😅
Do you think bojack looks like his dads mom? He uses that line twice about his mom looking like the girl he’s trying to pick up. But both bojack and holly hock has the diamond too.
The most depressing part about the second interview is that bojack is sadly right about one thing. A lot of terrible things in life aren't because of conspiracies or elaborate ruse. That's probably like what, 5% of the time. It's because the remaining 95% is just people are trying to fill a void with drugs, sex, and whatever hoping it'll fix them.
The only girl who hasn't slept with Bojack is Diane.If you go back a little in time, you will see that Bojack saw his father sleeping with other women besides his mother, so perhaps he took this trait from him on the basis that he does not care about women, but rather what is important is having fun, since his father was only spending.Five minutes with his secretary
3:50 It really does not matter what the age of consent was in Penny’s state, because that doesn’t apply to sex with people WELL over the age of 18 like Bojack was. Penny was still legally a CHILD, regardless of age of consent, and Bojack was DECADES older than her. It’s incredibly predatory.
To be fair, he has a great deal of power over men too, and honestly, he has a similar pattern with some of the men in his life, except instead of having sexual relationships with them, he ends up, hurting their relationships with him or with the woman in their life. Like the time that he had sex with Emily and the time that he kissed Diane, which forever ruined the relationships of Todd and Mr. peanut butter respectively. Also the time that he betrayed Herb for Angela and never called Herb. Also there’s probably more
i was a wanda to a guy i half-dated. he had a whole wack of not-quite-grooming but still weird relationships with a gaggle of high schoolers he met online, and bragged about his use of substances and sex to fill the void. we had an on-off thing where he'd get really intense and show a lot of interest in my life, and then we'd disappear. after watching this show, i think i understand why he was like that. it was never that he wanted to do anything to the people around him, he just genuinely didn't care about anyone else's hurt but his own.
11:37 I feel like this phrase was made just to annoy anyone in a medical field or adjacent science, like unless it's a very minor wound time passing is the opposite thing you want, like you need to wash it out and put pressure on it asap or you die
I loved this video. I only disagree with one thing about half of the video, which is when you talk about Bojack's love for Wanda. In my opinion, I believe that deep down, psychologically, love itself is for some kind of personal satisfaction. Deep down, everything we do is for a reason that is at least a little selfish. When a man donates to charity, he doesn't do it to help himself, but for the feeling of pleasure he gets from it. And even if he feels bad about giving his own money to charity, he still gains something, whether it's a clear conscience or the simple satisfaction of completing a goal. I think the same happens with people. Deep down, we like the emotion it gives us. Bojack relating to Wanda because she makes him feel less broken is a manifestation of love. Wanda certainly enjoyed Bojack's company on some level, because that's how love works. Deep down, we are selfish beings, and behind all our emotions and actions, we do it for ourselves and we feel it for ourselves. But I don't think that's bad because helping someone or loving someone for the emotion they bring me doesn't make the love any less genuine. Bojack really loved Wanda, or rather, he liked her a little. She was actually different to him because she made him want to be better. And behind any relationship we want something. and even if we do something without feeling good, we gain something behind everything, there is a hint of selfishness even in altruism.
@@godzeveni mean it sounds insanely cynical but i honestly don't think he's wrong. we're still animals after all. there are very few people who would for example help others if it made themselves feel horrible.
In a way i always hoped bojack would end up with Diane in the end, although i'm sure the moment he did he would have just cast her aside. I think if these were real life characters, ater the show ended bojack simply grows old alone, which is kind of sad, because was bojack truly a villain or victim?
Two things can be true at once. He messed up a lot of people's lives, but he's also a victim of shitty parents. Who were probably both victims themselves.
when did bojack borderline molest a man 😭 bojacks pattern w women is much more consistent, prevalent, and harmful than his actions towards men. bojack consistently (sexually and otherwise) takes advantage of women. bojack takes advantage of men as well but his pattern w women is much more consistent than the harm he does towards men
I have a crippling personality disorder. I'm basically a walking hollow void, pure negative space, that can't sustain itself due to chronic invalidation from home, school and teenagehood... Obviously the power dynamics make it a bit different where I'm like at the literal bottom of the totem pole. lol
While I think Bojack should be held accountable, I also think that he deserves compassion. Biscuits wants to paint him as a monster and I think he was right that most people are just idiots going through life trying to find ways to make themselves happy. He needs help, but he doesn't deserve to be destroyed because of it.
@rosesweetcharlotte it's a cartoon, the characters have to over the top. Like Sarah Lynn just starts vandalizing Bojacks house, and no one seems to care.
The fact he didn't listen to PC is just so funny to me. PC has skin in the game. The woman lives and breathes the industry. She makes her living by navigating through the jungle that is Hollywood. Yet Bojack completely ignores her advice and f**ks himself royalty.
I Think the same
Very good advice is useless if you very seldom follow it, and Princess Carolyn often gives him very good advice.
I think you meant Hollywoo/Hollywoob
I mean, again, it just goes to show you what he thinks of PC.
@@crystalgemgirl731 Your right. There are also times where you don't listen to your own advice. You might be able to help others, but not yourself.
Bojack trying not to completely destroy a relationship (impossible)
Bojack trying not to cause someone trama (also impossible)
Bojack trying not to make everything about him (OMEGA IMPOSSIBLE)
Not true. There's P.C. in spite of everything they're still on relatively good terms. They just need some distance
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That's kind of bleak
I love how motherhood and the second interview was PC’s wake up call to have her drop Bojack. She sees/hears how little he cares about her. He always ignores her advice yet cries for help when his actions blow up in his face. And he does it yet again when he claims he changed. PC hears what he does to the woman he CLAIMS is the one he loved the most. And the end of the day, it’s all about him.
Seeing the interview go down, hearing the pattern probably made her think of her daughter. How would she feel if Ruthie was in any of those women’s positions? Would she trust Bojack to be alone with Ruthie if she was an adult?
Given Bojack's age, he could absolutely go after Ruthie by the time she's a young woman
Oh my god your right.😱😱😱 He did it with Sarah Lynn.🤮🤮 Mind you she knows the taste of bear fur because her step-dad's one himself. 😢😢
isnt bojack 60 or older now? i dont think he will live 16 more years, he reminds me of my FIL who died at 63 lol
Oh don't worry about it, he won't wait until adulthood just for the teenage years
it killed me how paige sinclaire tossed, "who taught you to drive?" into her word salad, not even realizing the significance of the question, once she successfully cornered penny
I just realized that and now I’m sick omg 😭
@@TheOGSovereignDomiTheyTrix i hope you feel better, but i am honored
Oh :( Yeah that...yeah. That sucks
Omfg-
It's surreal hearing a video essay UA-camr call a 22 minute video "a long one".
Yeah- not conventional, but I generally prefer shorter, more digestible videos focusing on one concrete topic (plus I get off track easily).
But, hey, if my viewers would prefer the more common, longer essays, I’d love to give it a shot! (Just might take a little longer to make, is all)
Anyhow, thanks for watching!
I seriously was expecting 2 hours minimum when I heard that 🤣
the short form content effect
@@PosiTVty.Honestly the fact that you get to your point quickly is what I like about this channel. Personally I'm sick of two hour long video essays that could be a 20 minute video
Thank goodness for that, not every video needs to be hours long.
This is a great deconstruction of Bojack. I like your point on how despite Bojack not being an outspoken misogynist, the way he treats women sexually does speak to how he objectifies or devalues them, regardless of any personal or professional relationship he has. At the drop of a hat, any woman around him could be a vessel for a quick release. It's another good example of how Bojack can intellectually be a good person who cares about others, but his low self-worth and poor coping mechanisms gut him whenever it's put into action
Not sure I'd call him a misogynist. He doesn't hate women. He uses them to get a dopamine hit, same as he does with the men around him but it's easier to get that hit from women because of sex. He cares about women the same amount he cares about men.
It's the bpd issue of seeking validation externally, but for men this often times isn't through talking through emotions, but drugs and sex.
BPD causes you too always be in a state of needing to be soothed, and depending on the level of self awareness, it's hard to cope with, this causes external seeking and often leads to lots of promiscuity and tons of avoidance of commitment...
It's shocking how well this show displays this dynamic. The disorder is not exactly like bojack, but this dynamic is a BPD thing for sure pre diagnosis
To be fair he can't be a misogynist, he has ruined the lives of several men as well!
@Fernybun Ah, yes, how could I forget his flawless defence
I can't believe that so many years later people keep analyzing this show, and theres always new things to point out. What a masterpiece.
It's just an amazing show not just an amazing animated show but tv show period. I'd honestly put Bojack Horseman on the level of Breaking Bad or the Sappranos as one of the best shows I've ever seen.
@@danieljackson2496absolutely I was a teenager when season one dropped and going back to watch it now there’s so many details in the first season alone that hit so different for me now 10 years later
The first time I watch the show the moment Biscuit points out this pattern I was shocked, everything start making sense and it helped me to finally see Bojack how he truly is.
Who is the character you have as your avatar?
@@Passions5555 Oh, is Varían from the Tangled series
@nombreno.1325 Varian is my favorite character from Tangled The Series. 🥰 though he looks quite... tortured here. 😦
I know right?!?! I felt so dumb not seeing it before, but without that analyst, I never would have seen it in a million years. It just shows how uneducated we about his type of behavior. It freaked me out how naive I am to it NOW!
@@Vi-Vi-Kitty Exactly! It also shows how much the writers wanted to remark the damage that Bojack cause to others and how it would never be justified
Even if Biscuits was sensationalizing certain details for views (also because she is an outsider who only has the cold hard facts about Bojack to work with) she’s absolutely right about the power dynamics. The scariest thing about privilege is being able to subconsciously wield it whenever it’s convenient for you without thinking how it affects others. Whether he was using his position as a father figure to satisfy his romantic/sexual urges with Penny and Sarah Lynn or using his position as a celebrity to get information out of the president of his fan club. Even if he wasn’t going into it with that exact thought process, he must know he has power on some level.
I don’t think he has a power fetish.
If he could get a woman above him, he’d take that too.
@@tell-me-a-story-true. Anna spodacopida(?) is a perfect example of this. She's strong and assertive especially with bojack. Then, after he learned she was just a normal boring person by spying on her, he immediately lost interest. His problem is that he just romanticizes things with women and puts them on a pedestal, most likely to fill the void in his heart/life. In that moment, they're the most important thing to him. But, in that same way, the infatuation is superficial -- not real love. He uses food, drugs, and booze the same way, to distract himself and numb the pain of his life. Could be because of his parents not loving him enough/properly, could be something else. It's sad, but it's still wrong
@@Greencheez-yBojack is addicted to people attention.
A consequence of his parents neglect.
I think the scariest thing is, the show never drew a ton of attention to the dynamics until the end. You're just watching Bojack and these women and it takes so long to hit you what is so wrong about the dynamics
@@Greencheez-y i think because he grew up without happiness, it subconsciously taught him that long term happiness doesn't exist, so instead he tries to fill that void with short term dopamine rushes
I see BJH as a study in the consequences of shame. He keeps doing harmful stuff, and hating himself, and telling himself what a stupid piece of shit he is. Todd points this out in one episode. But shame isn't remorse. It prevents things like guilt, empathy, compassion, and growth - because it makes any serious self-reflection unbearable. When someone learns (as abused kids often do) that they're just an inherently bad person, they see every wrong thing they do - intentional or accidental - as further proof of their inherent wrongness. So it becomes too painful to examine your bad patterns or toxic traits because those involve opening that wound that says you're doing something terrible by being alive.
That makes so much sense, I've also had the feeling that shame is a useless emotion. Anything people say shame is good for can be much better achieved without it. Feeling bad over something doesn't actually do anything, and people just want to see others be ashamed to feel satisfied, but that doesn't do anything either and it seems to be the most useful shame as an emotion ever gets.
I kinda see shame as a liminal emotion: it’s often something you have to feel first in order to be able to go on and feel those other things, but lingering in it both keeps you from growing and prevents you from connecting with the world around you and the people in your life.
This is so well said!
And to be honest, Brené Brown actually discussed this as well, explaining how shame is one of the most (if not *the* most) damaging emotion as it causes you to try and project your self-loathing onto the world around you.
Which is what BoJack pretty much does and struggles with throughout the series.
The Closer said it best, "When you do bad things, you have something you can point to when people eventually leave you. It's not you, you tell yourself, it's that bad thing you did."
@@crystalgemgirl731that goes in line with anxious avoidance, where if you feel anxious you can behave drastically to then be able to focus on the drastic consequences rather than the heavy emotions that are causing anxiety in the first place
Not sure if anyone doesn't know but Raphael B put these plot lines in the show because he heard Harvey weinstien was a fan of the show 😭
He's like NO YOURE THE BUTT OF OUR JOKE GO AWAY
That and the terrifying number of people that started idolizing bojack in a similar vein to people idolizing Joaquin Phoenix’s joker, like they completely missed the mark to an uncomfortable level
Genuinely I can't imagine how he'd feel knowing that his work resonated with such an evil person
i'm going to guess that Hank Hippopopalus was based upon Weinstein
hes so real for tht
@@lillyfriedman6618he was actually meant to be based on Bill Cosby but the decision was made that he should be more generally representative of that “type.”
Bojack Horseman is a brilliant story painted of a typical cancelled man. We didn’t realise how awful he was until it was too late and we somehow sympathised with someone who if was a real person no one would take the time to know… for being utterly deplorable. We were frogs in water… not realising the water was boiling until we realised we’d been sympathising with a groomer/enabler/emotional exploiter and someone who allows harm to come to so many young people
THE FROG IN THE BOILING WATER EXAMPLE IS SO GOOD!! I LOVE THIS
Damage that can't be seen and is unknowingly casted to you is so devastating. When the damage is done, you're broken to bits. You don't even know how it happened, why it happened and can't even begin to explain it.
Well yes, that, AND I would urge against losing empathy for him once he’s confronted and cancelled. Does a disservice to six and a half seasons of storytelling if he finally faces accountability, is defensive and incapable of understanding, which then leads to a relapse, if we discount or forget why he turned out the way he is in the first place. He made strides toward self acceptance but didn’t take accountability for the things he had done to hurt people the most, bc his life as a celebrity taught him that he never HAD to take accountability for anything. There are so many takeaways from this show from the viewpoints of so many characters but I don’t feel that any of those takeaways are that some people are “just good” and “just bad”- like Diane said in season 1, there is no ‘deep down’, you are the things that you do, so the goal has to be to do more good than bad. The second interview wasn’t the gotcha moment that Bojack was a bad person the whole time, you knew that he was a bad person from season 1 episode 3 with Sarah Lynn. The whole show centers around change through vulnerability and accountability; bojack had began to be vulnerable but was never truly accountable bc it would force him to face the idea that he has hurt countless people, which is not in line with his core belief that he is a good person. That’s HARD, and that happens for almost every other character too it just comes out in different ways because of different circumstances that get them there
The frog in the water example is kinda meh cuz they had to be lobotomized to stay.
@@Barakon not really!
the "frog in the water" is a scenario where if a frog was suddenly put into boiling water, the frog would jump out immediately.
But! ...if the frog was put into lukewarm water that is slowly coming to a boil, then the frog would not sense the danger and it wouldnt jump out.
the story is used as a metaphor for how people are very quick to react to sudden events, but people fail to react to small changes that gradually build up over time until its too late.
Thanks for covering Bojack's horrible relationship patterns! Very well put together :D
Wrong. Time doesn't heal wounds. Good experiences, healthy spaces and good relationships do. Nobody can make it on their own, is a fact.
I don’t disagree, but sometimes time CAN heal wounds. Maybe not every wound, but some wounds at least.
@@ZoesChoice Yes! I feel like two things can be true at once. Time CAN heal wounds. I know this firsthand. I feel like many people know this firsthand. Over time that pain just kind of fades. It's not because of anyone in particular that "healed" that part of me, it was just the fading of their memory due to time.
I mean... that's what people mean when they say time heals all wounds. What happens with time? Experience, self reflection, maturity.
"Nobody can make it on their own, is a fact"
Now this is a reductive statement. Don't generalize people like that.
Time can ease the pain from my own experiences
@@ipromiseimtrying Time will never heal wounds in the same environment, bad circumstances and without any love, support or help. I know it firsthand and as a PTSD survivor.
as a bojack fan girl i def needed to hear this im way to sympathic to him
glad you’re self aware
Good, you wouldn’t want to encounter someone like him irl 💀
When someone shows you who they are, believe them!! Be safe girlie ♥️✨️
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Took a day to digest this video but honesty the moment where he asks his book fans to bed is Bojacks entire personality and issues in a single moment. He logically understands what should be done “get consent” but he will not look at it beyond the most basic application of the rules and no consideration for the consequences of the question even if he respects a no.
This is also the line that my head cannon puts on Vance in comparison to Bojack. I see Vance as someone who gets venomous and pressures people on a “no” he won’t just jump to the next girl he probably makes some nasty remarks or keeps asking. That’s the difference IMO
Thank you for this amazing video.
Great video! I remember when the final season aired, so many guys got really defensive about Bojack "not having a pattern with women, because he hurt men, too". And while yes, there is Herb and Todd, lets not forget that these are queer men and again, Bojack used his power over them. Herbs case couldn't make that more explicit.
There was Pete Repeat, but he was an underage boy so I guess that also sort of puts him in the same area as Herb and Todd. There was no real way for him to consent or understand what was happening until it was too late
although they weren’t romantic, shoutout to my girl sharona… she deserved better too :,(
Poor girl got blamed when he gave Sarah Lynn alcohol
@@nationalinstituteofcheese3012Did you forget that Bojack didn't give Sarah Lynn booze ? Sarah Lynn just drank the booze that Sharona left there. Booze that she should have not had in the first place. That was left out in the open where Sarah Lynn drank it... You can't pin that on Bojack
@@seeleunit2000 Girl it was his booze.
@@seeleunit2000there’s a flashback scene between bojack and sharona after the incident with sarah lynn getting her hands on the alcohol
they go back and forth on who brought the alcohol, sharona says that this bottle was his before bojack basically tells her “no one is asking you to take the blame, you are taking the fall for this”
My jaw dropped when he outed her from AA on national television and then had the gall to show up to the next meeting looking for her as if he didn't just break the cardinal "Anonymous" rule
Watching bojack for the first time has me predicting him ruining his romantic relationships but with Gina I was actually thinking they might end it healthy or actually stay together (before that choking incident)
Sometimes I get sad..
But then I remember that there will be a new Bojack horseman deconstruction from someone online at least once a week.
And it makes me feel better.
it is so interesting so see all these relationships have a common goal: validation. bojack seeks validation from women because he has never received an ounce of validation from a female figure (and a male figure).
you can argue that his relationship with sarah lynn wasn’t about validation. however, his constant need to prove that he’s a “good person” and belief that he isn’t an indirect (and also direct) cause of her downfall is pivotal to what led to the events in season 3. sarah lynn was painful to mention because he truly screwed her over and bojack knows that.
it’s ironic to see him defend himself on live tv about the sarah lynn situation, but hardly mention her/ speak her name after season 3.
I cant wait I live for these videos
A tragic character who brought most, if not all, his downfall upon himself. Yet, you can’t help but feel sorry for the guy when knowing the full context behind his behavior…
Not excusable by any means, mind you, especially given the multitude of second chances from his close friends throughout the show. There’s been numerous instances where he tried to make things right only to screw it up when least expected or when it may benefit his carnal desires, causing him to regurgitate his old bad habits and permanently destroy relationships with the very few people who forgive him even at his absolute worst.
Such is the fate of someone who hates themself, they’ll eventually project their sadness and turmoil onto others (whether intentional or not), and may not even realize the effects until it’s too late…
1:10 To answer PC's question, yes. there's literally only two and it's Kelsey Jannings and the older daughter on Horsing Around
I mean the first one is a lesbain and the second idk but yeah he didn't try to sleep with only one alright cool.
And Holly Hock
What makes Bojack, and the show's finale, so excellently done is the fact that, like Bojack himself, we don't realise just how BAD the thimgs he's done are until they're put into perspective. All because we see his side of the story and have so much context to what his family did to him through generational abuse.
Even the interviewer, who initially just wanted a good story, wanted nothing more than to expose his rotten behaviour the longer said interview went on. And when even PC realises just how little he cares about her it was *truly* over for him as he'd destroyed any goodwill he had left.
What's terrifying about the interview is that Bojack wasn’t lying, he's not a mastermind manipulator, he's a selfish man who puts his desires above the wellbeing of others while consciously or subconsciously leveraging his position of power
0:34 i remember hearing this speach the first time and i was like lol ...no? We arent all as careless or uninvested in our lives and how we treat others lmaoooo
I swear blitzo from helluva boss must've had some inspiration off bojack. He's self loathing, and hurts people he's with whether intentionally or not, plus blitzo is obsessed with horses soooo..
It honestly sort of ruins the show a bit when you realize that he basically is Bojack
@@rosesweetcharlotte he reminds me a lot of Bill Cipher, too.
blitzø is a sa survivor and is then villainized for his trauma (although that’s not Intentional, i guess, they just accidentally wrote an extremely unhealthy relationship where blitzø is coerced and forced into sex) though, there’s certainly a difference between them
@@catsockpuppetI bet people wouldn't have liked this ship so much if Blitzo was a woman.
I think both are based on Drake 😂
This video was so deep that I'm going to go encourage my significant other and let her know how much of a wonderful person she is and what she means to me.
Love your video ! It's interesting because at the end of the show, since the first time I saw it, I can't keep myself from seeing Bojack as an actual groomer. I mean... Manipulation, emotional power, self pity, using women for sex just because he can, being attracted to mostly VERY young women (Penny, Sarah-Lynn, Wanda, Diane...) and everyone in the show finding him excuses for it ("He's stuck in his twenties", or "but Penny was a metaphor for his memories with Charlotte")... I mean I know in some way he just "doesn't know any better", but still. To me, Bojack Horseman is a groomer.
Bojack succeed as a groomer because he had penny looking back at the prom picture of her and bojack and said "it wasn't all a bad night" 💔💔💔 her friend had alcohol poising and she was nearly a statutory rape victim!
@@AikoSilver oh gosh this is so true...Horrible :((
Intention behind grooming doesn't matter. If you do it, you are one.
To be fair, Sarah-Lynn, Wanda and Diane weren’t “very young” when he pursued them. But I do agree
@@justausername5749 It's true, I meant they were much younger than him in a way or another (Diane was barely over 30, Wanda was mentally 25, and Sarah-Lynn was still acting like an 18 years-old, and he saw her grow up as his daughter on TV, which he watches all the time btw), but you're right, I think it's interesting that what he does is morally wrong but legally okay/grey, it really shows the psyche of the character to me : always on the thin line between "Okay, this is a bad bad mistake" and "He is a bad person and should be locked away"
As someone who’s been at the hands of an abusive mother and had to sort thru those emotions; the simple answer for Bojack is that subconsciously he either hates or strongly resents women due to his mother. I know that sounds incel af but when ur mother has been super abusive or detached or both, it really becomes hard to view any other woman differently. Only recently I started to work on this point of view. And I said work on but even as a 30 something I admit it’s still so hard for me to view women as anything but selfish and detached.
So then how come he doesn’t hate men just as much because his father was just as abusive?
@@hannahrodriguez3373 his father was present but not really present. His mother for bad or worse was always there.
@@KingMuncheezbojack’s mommy didn’t love him enough which is why he uses and takes advantage of women is a pretty lazy conclusion and also takes the blame away from both Bojack and his father.
@@hannahrodriguez3373Honestly, I think women are just easier for him to access. A lot of men are physically stronger than Bojack and are in higher positions of power. Women are just generally easier for him to hurt
@@hannahrodriguez3373when you say anything in a reductive and sarcastic way it sounds completely meaningless, doesn't mean it is, but it means that you really Want to pretend like it is without engaging with the argument originally made for it
We actually do have a last glimpse of Wanda if you pause quick enough!! In Season 6, Episode 16: Nice While It Lasted, if you pause at 1:04 after the Bojeebies boy gets famous. There's a shot of Drama Weekly, next to the main headline on the right underneath the news about Andrew garfield is in fact a picture of Wanda with the headline ''Coma survivor awakes from 2nd Coma'' and under her picture it says, ''Named President of Gronkle''. I've rewatched Bojack so many times, and decided to start reading all those miscellanous things that are easily missed! Really nice of the creators to sneak that in. Anyways, love your videos!!
Brilliant as usual
Another thing that both Butterscotch and Bojack have is the little “headlines” they make whenever they act self-centred, I had to rewatch it the third time to notice that Bojack also carried that “Headline, ____ , the end.” That Butterscotch originally did.
Something very disturbing with BoJack's sex spree in Commence Fracking. In the very episode prior, BoJack casually jokes about how he has "A-strain of herpes" (actually multiple strains!).
Then in the very next episode, BoJack has casual, probably unprotected sex with lots of women. The show doesn't even mention it once!
🤢🤮😭
18:50 I actually think Bojack and Gina had decent personality chemistry before the incident. She matched his aloofness and his pessimism, and they complained about things in a fun way together. I feel like you put too much importance on physical affection.
They had great personality chemistry, I think. They bounced off each other well. That doesn't mean they had anything beyond a platonic connection, though and BoJack decided he wanted a relationship with her for all the wrong reasons.
I LOVE listening to you talk about this show omg. You always go so in depth and you're so smart with how you look at it.
great video!
I think BoJack lacked the ability to acknowledge that it was WORSE that this is who he was unintentionally. These weren't necessarily active choices he made; they were him running on autopilot. He is a bad person who has the ability to improve and chooses not to. it's not the choices he made, it's the choices he did not make.
This is exactly what makes him so dangerous. Bojack is charming, sweet, genuinely nice. And yet the person he just is is so incredibly dangerous.
I love how the thing Bojack says to Biscuits about everyone being bad is so eye rolling cringe and if you don’t feel that way at first, you grow to. If you want to be taken seriously never go on the defensive and never generalise. Saying in response to being called out on your own crappy behaviour any variation of “people are just bad by nature that’s why I am” you’re a joke. You just want an excuse to your behaviour just like Bojack did, we’re supposed to hate his response.
I always took the "You didn't know me" line to Wanda as "You only loved me because you didn't know me." it's self-deprecating. Once she knew him, she saw that he was "unlovable".
His long snout kissing human faces looks so weird.
really need to rewatch Bojack as a more mature adult
2:53 Wait a minute, why does that remind me of that horrible scene from Venture Brothers? Oh dear God, I just remembered it again, I got to take a drink 😱
The Doctor Quinn episode??? D8
@LKing-ue2jl no, but I understand where you're getting at, but I'm talking about the episode that had to do with Dermott's real father.
I mean he did end up being predatory to young women tho, and daughter figures at that. Doesn't matter if he planned it or not Most predators are highly opportunistic. And in both cases he had made multiple very questonable choices do do creepy and grooming stuff to the girls before anything obviously predatory was even to happen yet. Almost every time he is about to do these things we see him act anxious or cringe. He feels what he's doing is wrong even if he doesn't know or admit to himself why or plan for it. And he still does these things. Also some of these women in Hollyhock episode look very young still and Bojack is what, over 50 at this point? Granted some of them may just look young but still this makes us question what was their age and his first back when hooked up too.
"Time heals all wounds brother" Scott's sister in scott pilgrim vs the world
I assume that's the quote he refered to part way through
Thats a common saying, not from Scott Pilgrim originally
The quotes and these video essays got me into bojack horseman
11:23 One small thing, She is referenced a couple times after their breakup, one time I think she moves city when Me Peanut Butter is meeting with Pinky, and in the final episode she’s referenced in a news article having gotten out of a second coma
You should do a video on Charlotte and or Penny. As well as a video on Judah!
Actually already did one on Judah- posted about 9 months back! But planning on doing a video just about escape from la soon!
@@PosiTVty. Oh i totally overlooked it! Thanks for letting me know! ❤️
The interesting thing about Bojack is that he does suffer consequences, but refuses to learn from them. To the point where all he does is suffer, and make others suffer.
one of the most haunting scenes of the show is when bojack legitimately strangles Gina. Just imagine if they weren’t on set bojack would’ve killed Gina and we know he would’ve had done it if they didn’t stopped him Gina would’ve died , is genuinely a scene that made me hyperventilate and is not even the only scene that gives me the chills like that , the scene of Beatrice’s baby and her taking Henrietta’s baby this show gets fucking dark
Another great video thanks I enjoyed watching it
40 mins ago and 188 viewers. i’m cooked.
man, the simultaneous intensity and zaniness of this show is omnipresent, but it REALLY stands out at certain points like when bojack has his entire public history of abusing his power over the women in his life laid out in front of him by a fucking chinchilla named *biscuits*
i love this show so much, i think i’ve rewatched it 3 times and i’ll probably watch it again at the beginning of 2025. to see a broken man continue to damage others and himself while constantly pushing away anything good in his life. let’s me know i’m not that bad of a person lmao 😅
*I don't fully agree BUT i agree with many individual points you made good video*
14:10 - 14:25 Ouch. That hurt my feelings.
omg, and it's like butterscotch was describing bunny from breakfast of champions
it's, like, you know that guy read vonnegut
Do you think bojack looks like his dads mom? He uses that line twice about his mom looking like the girl he’s trying to pick up. But both bojack and holly hock has the diamond too.
Actually, Bojack has his uncle's Crackerjack skin color and his dad's mane
The most depressing part about the second interview is that bojack is sadly right about one thing. A lot of terrible things in life aren't because of conspiracies or elaborate ruse. That's probably like what, 5% of the time. It's because the remaining 95% is just people are trying to fill a void with drugs, sex, and whatever hoping it'll fix them.
Bojack has a destructive pattern with everyone
I don’t wanna be like bojack, and I’m scared I will. Idk what to do
You arent alone
i honestly like bojack and gina… so sad how it ended
Bojack is Yujiro levels of devious.
The only girl who hasn't slept with Bojack is Diane.If you go back a little in time, you will see that Bojack saw his father sleeping with other women besides his mother, so perhaps he took this trait from him on the basis that he does not care about women, but rather what is important is having fun, since his father was only spending.Five minutes with his secretary
3:50 It really does not matter what the age of consent was in Penny’s state, because that doesn’t apply to sex with people WELL over the age of 18 like Bojack was. Penny was still legally a CHILD, regardless of age of consent, and Bojack was DECADES older than her. It’s incredibly predatory.
I interpret Beatrice's comment about 'knowing marriage' as being her saying that marriage realistically isnt about love.
To be fair, he has a great deal of power over men too, and honestly, he has a similar pattern with some of the men in his life, except instead of having sexual relationships with them, he ends up, hurting their relationships with him or with the woman in their life. Like the time that he had sex with Emily and the time that he kissed Diane, which forever ruined the relationships of Todd and Mr. peanut butter respectively. Also the time that he betrayed Herb for Angela and never called Herb. Also there’s probably more
Penny is a child, in case you forgot.
The stuff bojack does is like the casual highschool stuff except he doesn’t change
i was a wanda to a guy i half-dated. he had a whole wack of not-quite-grooming but still weird relationships with a gaggle of high schoolers he met online, and bragged about his use of substances and sex to fill the void. we had an on-off thing where he'd get really intense and show a lot of interest in my life, and then we'd disappear.
after watching this show, i think i understand why he was like that. it was never that he wanted to do anything to the people around him, he just genuinely didn't care about anyone else's hurt but his own.
11:37 I feel like this phrase was made just to annoy anyone in a medical field or adjacent science, like unless it's a very minor wound time passing is the opposite thing you want, like you need to wash it out and put pressure on it asap or you die
Comment for the UA-cam algorithm god 🎉🎉
I’ve been watching too many video essays because when he said it was gonna be a long one I was expecting at least an hour 🤦
Frank Gallager from Shameless has a better job at staying sober
Yuh let’s gooooo
Hmmm maybe I should I watch this show
6:32 maybe you can say he wasn't horsin around for the Henrietta situation
11:38 The cute heart in fuck. 😂
Bojack Horsemen long vid analyses? Subbing tf up asap
I love your videos bro 🙏🫶
im not American can someone explain the dad taking you to prom thing? i dont get it
its normal for dads or parents to take their daughters to prom. i have no idea why but it is a norm
Sometimes parents will chaoerone prom. Parents rarely actually take their kids to prom
Having people in my life doesn't come naturally to me. I've always been apart and compartmentalized
I loved this video. I only disagree with one thing about half of the video, which is when you talk about Bojack's love for Wanda. In my opinion, I believe that deep down, psychologically, love itself is for some kind of personal satisfaction. Deep down, everything we do is for a reason that is at least a little selfish. When a man donates to charity, he doesn't do it to help himself, but for the feeling of pleasure he gets from it. And even if he feels bad about giving his own money to charity, he still gains something, whether it's a clear conscience or the simple satisfaction of completing a goal. I think the same happens with people. Deep down, we like the emotion it gives us. Bojack relating to Wanda because she makes him feel less broken is a manifestation of love. Wanda certainly enjoyed Bojack's company on some level, because that's how love works. Deep down, we are selfish beings, and behind all our emotions and actions, we do it for ourselves and we feel it for ourselves. But I don't think that's bad because helping someone or loving someone for the emotion they bring me doesn't make the love any less genuine. Bojack really loved Wanda, or rather, he liked her a little. She was actually different to him because she made him want to be better. And behind any relationship we want something. and even if we do something without feeling good, we gain something behind everything, there is a hint of selfishness even in altruism.
You have a very gross, very negative view of humans
@@godzeveni mean it sounds insanely cynical but i honestly don't think he's wrong. we're still animals after all. there are very few people who would for example help others if it made themselves feel horrible.
Consent dosnt matter with those two. He was grooming them. Unintentionally because he was focused on himself. Still it counts as grooming.
And that is why a horse can be in a relationship with different animals
Damn he’s just like me and it’s disgusting
I really wish Bojack and Wanda got back together.
He's almost literally me (I've been diagnosed with MDD)
He's literally me (diagnosed with BPD).
In a way i always hoped bojack would end up with Diane in the end, although i'm sure the moment he did he would have just cast her aside. I think if these were real life characters, ater the show ended bojack simply grows old alone, which is kind of sad, because was bojack truly a villain or victim?
Two things can be true at once. He messed up a lot of people's lives, but he's also a victim of shitty parents. Who were probably both victims themselves.
I’m sorry to everyone I hurt. I know it won‘t be better next time
5:16 I do not catch their drift pls help
I was recommending Bojack also go to SAA (Sex Addicts Anonymous)
He’s done just as much damage to men, like Todd and Herb.
How he does it is much different but yeh .
That is no where close to “as much damage”. Sara Lynn is dead
It’s not “just as much”. That’s two men compared to how many women? Also it’s his fault Sara Lynn died. Dude what?!
when did bojack borderline molest a man 😭 bojacks pattern w women is much more consistent, prevalent, and harmful than his actions towards men. bojack consistently (sexually and otherwise) takes advantage of women. bojack takes advantage of men as well but his pattern w women is much more consistent than the harm he does towards men
i don’t think it’s just about the fact he damaged the women, it’s more about HOW he did it and how they all follow in the same sort of direction
Too many men in these comments defending this cartoon horse... y'all admit to something?
I have a crippling personality disorder.
I'm basically a walking hollow void, pure negative space, that can't sustain itself due to chronic invalidation from home, school and teenagehood...
Obviously the power dynamics make it a bit different where I'm like at the literal bottom of the totem pole. lol
While I think Bojack should be held accountable, I also think that he deserves compassion. Biscuits wants to paint him as a monster and I think he was right that most people are just idiots going through life trying to find ways to make themselves happy. He needs help, but he doesn't deserve to be destroyed because of it.
I mean, sure, but he has proven to be too dangerous for most people to be around
@rosesweetcharlotte it's a cartoon, the characters have to over the top. Like Sarah Lynn just starts vandalizing Bojacks house, and no one seems to care.
didnt know biscuits had a yt channel 😂/j
The creators decided to assassinate the story they were making because too many people were "misinterpreting" it
Yes. And people still missed the point!
I have no idea why PC put up with him for so long in the first place.
She loved him and she thought he loved her.
Co dependency.
alright alright, I'm going therapy (please don't tear me apart internet, this is a joke)
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