My 2 sen.... Dia terarah pd motif penjual/pengusaha bila letak 'no pork, no lard'. Rasa mcm perlu ada pemahaman ttg halal secara keseluruhan utk semua. Bila kita kenang zaman² dulu, bila non-Muslim nak buat jamuan libatkan rakan² yg Muslim, mereka akan usaha dapatkan sumber makanan datangnya dari penjual/penyembelih Muslim. In short, ada nilai kefahaman yg semakin pudar sekarang berbanding dgn zaman dulu.
as a chinese I agree that if you write at shop no pork no alcohol, you either apply halal or dont advertised as such, its bugging me for a long time as well, if you want to get Muslim money, just apply lah, better than later people found out its not halal, i guess business just want to circumvent all these cost of maintaining the standards to get cert and still hoping to get Muslim money. its not that hard to find middle ground if everyone just sit down and talk calmly.
Muslim always have the choice how and where to spend their dimes, if you arent convinced with just muslim friendly or no pork no lard tag then just stick to the ones with Jakim Halal logo, no need to obligate it blanketly, because the large chunk of Muslims in this country are convinced enough to eat at roadside warung with no Jakim halal certificate, our religion taught to trust our brothers and sisters who prepare the food, that they already give their best to serve us with halal food, we dont want them to be burden with unnecessary additional cost.
kita lihat banyak kantin sekolah yang banyak kes keracunan makanan. walaupun kita sudah ada sijil dari KKM, terasa itu belum cukup lagi. belum masuk lagi sijil gerai makan PBT dan SSM. kali ini tambah pulak sijil halal jakim untuk semua industri makanan kecuali yang jual benda haram. masa akan datang mungkin wajib live kedai makan masak makanan zaman itu kalau ada keracunan makanan tak tahu nak cakap macam mana
Nak tmbh sikit apa yg Luqman ckp,based on my experience dealing with SMEs yg nak apply proses halal Betul fees basic tak mahal tp yg mahal underlying or miscellaneous charges utk comply dgn halal requirements Contoh ada layout tempat yg tak meet halal punya requirement,kene ubah / reno balik. Sijil halal ni tgk kt website / on paper memang nampak senang tp hakikatnya susah dan renyah Sudahnya ramai SMEs opted to hire consultant yg familiar and well versed dgn proses pensijilan halal jakim (of course hire consultant mahal sikit)
Rasanya sudah tiba masanya JAKIM, Majlis Agama Islam, Agensi-Agensi Halal & NGo-NGo berkaitan halal bergabung untuk memperkasakan lagi penguatkuasaan SIJIL HALAL bagi menjamin kehalalan, kebersihan & penambahbaikan INDUSTRI HALAL dalam negara kita.
Aku rasa better untuk kita tanya dekat orang industri yang memang dalam bidang tu tentang kenapa susah sangat nak dapatkan sijil halal? Sebab aku ada pernah tanya orang yang bekerja bahagian QC kilang bakeri china, walaupun bakeri tu belum ada lagi full halal cert tapi derang declare as ‘alcohol + pork free’, derang kata process dia rigid bila kena pastikan bahan” raw dia tu pun halal jugak, usually derang malas nak tukar sebab cost, of course la kan mana je company nak amik barang mahal 😅. So bila semua benda kena tukar process documentation akan delay etc, itu baru bab bahan, belum lagi kebersihan etc.
Halal cert, i have heard many things... Yes it's cheap, yes it's simple. But end of the day in the process of getting it it cost more than that, and time will probably extend more than the stipulated 1 mth for 1st time applicants. End up many actually hire consultants which cost more.
Aduh kerajaan dh bagi mcm2 bantuan nak upgrade org Kita ni xkan nak beza halal haram pon susah...kedai pon xpernah paksa ko dtg kalau rasa subhah elak je terus
Isu sijil halal ni nampaknya blown out of proportion. Kena tunggang pulak dengan both side of political divide. Untuk memastikan kebersihan, kita tak perlukan sijil halal pun. sebab sijil halal ni sekadar sijil. kita sudah ada akta makanan dan peraturan kebersihan makanan. bila ada kes keracunan makanan, maknanya ada kelompongan dalam perlaksanaan dan penguatkuasaan undang-undang terkait kebersihan makanan. premis untuk mewajibkan sijil halal pun nampak flawed. sebab ada beberapa orang Islam makan di kedai yang tiada sijil halal, kerajaan nak wajibkan sijil halal. sedangkan banyak je kedai halal lain yang boleh orang Islam langgan. jangan lihat sekadar kos kepada peniaga untuk dapatkan sijil halal. kos kepada peniaga mungkin tak mahal mana tetapi kos kepada agensi untuk sediakan auditor yang cukup untuk memastikan keberkesanan dan kepatuhan kepada kehendak sijil halal tu sendiri. alangkan akta undang-undang pun susah nak kuatkuasa, apatah lagi sijil. takde pun isu sijil halal menimbulkan resah di kalangan bukan Islam. faktanya, lebih 70% sijil halal di Malaysia dimiliki oleh peniaga bukan Islam. Peniaga yang dapatkan sijil halal sebab mereka lihat dari sudut komersil. mereka mensasarkan pelanggan di kalangan orang Islam untuk meyakini produk yang mereka jual. peniaga Islam pun tak ramai nak dapatkan sijil halal sebab selain kos, tiada masalah untuk mereka dapatkan pelanggan kerana persepsinya, peniaga Islam memang tak akan gunakan bahan berunsur arak dan babi. kesimpulan, sijil halal tak perlu diwajibkan. sijil halal hanya perlu DIGALAKKAN dan kerajaan perlu membantu peniaga untuk memasarkan produk kepada pasaran yang lebih besar.
Wrong argument bro…… many Indians and Chinese don’t consume pork and alcohol….. so please don’t generalise saying only Muslims x makan pork and minum alcohol….. so I feel you have very shallow understanding about our religion as well….
Wrong context bro. if you dont eat pork or alcohol, you can still eat other food in pork n alcohol restaurant. He is implying that these restaurants telling no pork n lad because they want muslim customers without having the halal cert. This is very irresponsible.
What this guy means, even you do not eat pork and alcohol, you can still dine in and choose different menus. This is not the case for Muslims. So do you think these restaurant put up "No pork no lards" exclusively to your non-muslim community or infract to attract muslim community? Especially impious muslims, arak minum, rasuah ambik, but when it comes to anything with babi- they don't. 🤭
To enjoy all sort of customers in Malaysia, we shall put a signage of No Pork, No Alchohol, No Beef, No Animal Products, No Sugar Added, No Gluten.. u think for u people only?
Jakim klo dgn non muslim terus laju bertindak mcm secret recipe, cadbury . Dgn ikhwan roti 7 tahun tidak perbaharui diam saja. Klo tak letup kes gisb , mungkin 2 dekad pon dibiarkan sijil halal jakim Mcm mana nak non muslim ada keyakinan terhadap jakim? Klo nak wajib halal, pastikan setiap bangsa kena apply . Lihat lah berapa ratus ribu warong melayu akan mengamok dgn paperwork nak dptkan jakim
Everyone is missing 1 point here. How abt hiring malay/muslim staffs n cook. Wat if its a family run business and they not planning to hire any outsiders. Now that incurs costs every month.
Nah man, there are non Muslims who don't eat pork. Like many Hindus and Buddhist and also few Christians. No pork, no lard info can be for them as well.
My 2 sen....
Dia terarah pd motif penjual/pengusaha bila letak 'no pork, no lard'. Rasa mcm perlu ada pemahaman ttg halal secara keseluruhan utk semua. Bila kita kenang zaman² dulu, bila non-Muslim nak buat jamuan libatkan rakan² yg Muslim, mereka akan usaha dapatkan sumber makanan datangnya dari penjual/penyembelih Muslim. In short, ada nilai kefahaman yg semakin pudar sekarang berbanding dgn zaman dulu.
as a chinese I agree that if you write at shop no pork no alcohol, you either apply halal or dont advertised as such, its bugging me for a long time as well, if you want to get Muslim money, just apply lah, better than later people found out its not halal, i guess business just want to circumvent all these cost of maintaining the standards to get cert and still hoping to get Muslim money. its not that hard to find middle ground if everyone just sit down and talk calmly.
Muslim always have the choice how and where to spend their dimes, if you arent convinced with just muslim friendly or no pork no lard tag then just stick to the ones with Jakim Halal logo, no need to obligate it blanketly, because the large chunk of Muslims in this country are convinced enough to eat at roadside warung with no Jakim halal certificate, our religion taught to trust our brothers and sisters who prepare the food, that they already give their best to serve us with halal food, we dont want them to be burden with unnecessary additional cost.
Ask malay go apply first, then you'll hear the pain to apply . you dont talk cock
Wow. Dah lama tak tune in to Tiber. Rambut Luq so lebat dah 😊
kita lihat banyak kantin sekolah yang banyak kes keracunan makanan.
walaupun kita sudah ada sijil dari KKM, terasa itu belum cukup lagi.
belum masuk lagi sijil gerai makan PBT dan SSM.
kali ini tambah pulak sijil halal jakim untuk semua industri makanan kecuali yang jual benda haram.
masa akan datang mungkin wajib live kedai makan masak makanan
zaman itu kalau ada keracunan makanan tak tahu nak cakap macam mana
Nak tmbh sikit apa yg Luqman ckp,based on my experience dealing with SMEs yg nak apply proses halal
Betul fees basic tak mahal tp yg mahal underlying or miscellaneous charges utk comply dgn halal requirements
Contoh ada layout tempat yg tak meet halal punya requirement,kene ubah / reno balik.
Sijil halal ni tgk kt website / on paper memang nampak senang tp hakikatnya susah dan renyah
Sudahnya ramai SMEs opted to hire consultant yg familiar and well versed dgn proses pensijilan halal jakim (of course hire consultant mahal sikit)
Rasanya sudah tiba masanya JAKIM, Majlis Agama Islam, Agensi-Agensi Halal & NGo-NGo berkaitan halal bergabung untuk memperkasakan lagi penguatkuasaan SIJIL HALAL bagi menjamin kehalalan, kebersihan & penambahbaikan INDUSTRI HALAL dalam negara kita.
Boleh kaji balik, Kenyataan KPN tu dengan berunsur Politik, nak alihkan isu dan jgk nak jatuhkan GISB..
Mana “pejuang2” islam/melayu?
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Aku rasa better untuk kita tanya dekat orang industri yang memang dalam bidang tu tentang kenapa susah sangat nak dapatkan sijil halal? Sebab aku ada pernah tanya orang yang bekerja bahagian QC kilang bakeri china, walaupun bakeri tu belum ada lagi full halal cert tapi derang declare as ‘alcohol + pork free’, derang kata process dia rigid bila kena pastikan bahan” raw dia tu pun halal jugak, usually derang malas nak tukar sebab cost, of course la kan mana je company nak amik barang mahal 😅. So bila semua benda kena tukar process documentation akan delay etc, itu baru bab bahan, belum lagi kebersihan etc.
Halal cert, i have heard many things... Yes it's cheap, yes it's simple. But end of the day in the process of getting it it cost more than that, and time will probably extend more than the stipulated 1 mth for 1st time applicants. End up many actually hire consultants which cost more.
Aduh kerajaan dh bagi mcm2 bantuan nak upgrade org Kita ni xkan nak beza halal haram pon susah...kedai pon xpernah paksa ko dtg kalau rasa subhah elak je terus
Isu sijil halal ni nampaknya blown out of proportion. Kena tunggang pulak dengan both side of political divide.
Untuk memastikan kebersihan, kita tak perlukan sijil halal pun. sebab sijil halal ni sekadar sijil. kita sudah ada akta makanan dan peraturan kebersihan makanan. bila ada kes keracunan makanan, maknanya ada kelompongan dalam perlaksanaan dan penguatkuasaan undang-undang terkait kebersihan makanan.
premis untuk mewajibkan sijil halal pun nampak flawed. sebab ada beberapa orang Islam makan di kedai yang tiada sijil halal, kerajaan nak wajibkan sijil halal. sedangkan banyak je kedai halal lain yang boleh orang Islam langgan. jangan lihat sekadar kos kepada peniaga untuk dapatkan sijil halal. kos kepada peniaga mungkin tak mahal mana tetapi kos kepada agensi untuk sediakan auditor yang cukup untuk memastikan keberkesanan dan kepatuhan kepada kehendak sijil halal tu sendiri. alangkan akta undang-undang pun susah nak kuatkuasa, apatah lagi sijil.
takde pun isu sijil halal menimbulkan resah di kalangan bukan Islam. faktanya, lebih 70% sijil halal di Malaysia dimiliki oleh peniaga bukan Islam. Peniaga yang dapatkan sijil halal sebab mereka lihat dari sudut komersil. mereka mensasarkan pelanggan di kalangan orang Islam untuk meyakini produk yang mereka jual. peniaga Islam pun tak ramai nak dapatkan sijil halal sebab selain kos, tiada masalah untuk mereka dapatkan pelanggan kerana persepsinya, peniaga Islam memang tak akan gunakan bahan berunsur arak dan babi.
kesimpulan, sijil halal tak perlu diwajibkan. sijil halal hanya perlu DIGALAKKAN dan kerajaan perlu membantu peniaga untuk memasarkan produk kepada pasaran yang lebih besar.
Wrong argument bro…… many Indians and Chinese don’t consume pork and alcohol….. so please don’t generalise saying only Muslims x makan pork and minum alcohol….. so I feel you have very shallow understanding about our religion as well….
true. the shop shud mention no alcohol as well..
Wrong context bro. if you dont eat pork or alcohol, you can still eat other food in pork n alcohol restaurant. He is implying that these restaurants telling no pork n lad because they want muslim customers without having the halal cert. This is very irresponsible.
What this guy means, even you do not eat pork and alcohol, you can still dine in and choose different menus. This is not the case for Muslims. So do you think these restaurant put up "No pork no lards" exclusively to your non-muslim community or infract to attract muslim community?
Especially impious muslims, arak minum, rasuah ambik, but when it comes to anything with babi- they don't. 🤭
Bole la bawak ready to eat produk Brahim's😊
To enjoy all sort of customers in Malaysia, we shall put a signage of No Pork, No Alchohol, No Beef, No Animal Products, No Sugar Added, No Gluten.. u think for u people only?
Jakim klo dgn non muslim terus laju bertindak mcm secret recipe, cadbury .
Dgn ikhwan roti 7 tahun tidak perbaharui diam saja. Klo tak letup kes gisb , mungkin 2 dekad pon dibiarkan sijil halal jakim
Mcm mana nak non muslim ada keyakinan terhadap jakim?
Klo nak wajib halal, pastikan setiap bangsa kena apply . Lihat lah berapa ratus ribu warong melayu akan mengamok dgn paperwork nak dptkan jakim
Everyone is missing 1 point here. How abt hiring malay/muslim staffs n cook. Wat if its a family run business and they not planning to hire any outsiders. Now that incurs costs every month.
Nah man, there are non Muslims who don't eat pork. Like many Hindus and Buddhist and also few Christians. No pork, no lard info can be for them as well.
The argument is why u want to force people to apply halal certificate? This is not right..
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